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Finished my SF startup yesterday. Still some really good veteran talent on the board and some rookies that I would have assumed would have been gone by now. I ended up with only 18 players as I had moved up a bit. You guys can expect to get a lot of move up offers from me come June.

When regular season cuts are made to 20, many owners coming out of startups have some tough choices. Others may be easier. But one thing that always happens is that the first waiver run is almost always at least a little juicy. I love the team I just drafted and it will be really easy to make a couple adds in September without fretting over how to make room. 

 
How is yours going? All done yet?

I did another of these this morning from the 10 spot. Decided to double down on this notion that we might need to really target the RBs early this year in redraft. So I went basically zero-WR here. Specifically RB/RB/RB/RB/QB/TE followed by 5 WRs:

Lamar 5, Tua 17
Swift 1, Gibson 2, Harris 3, J Williams 4, Jefferson 12, Felton 15
Viska 7, Reagor 10, G Davis 11, Perriman 18, Chase 8, Waddle 9, Bateman 14, E Moore 16
Hockenson 6, Firkser 13
Chargers 20 Lutz 19

Gonna need some WRs to really emerge.
Sweet RB's. Can't remember if RTS will change positions after the draft and Felton could become a WR but yes the team just needs some WR's to emerge.

BTW-you might know this already but I did not know myself until a few drafts in last year but you don't have to actually draft a K or D in this contest right now. You might have wanted to anyway but in case you did not know, say for instance you wanted to roster another rookie and see how it shakes out.

On my draft it only ended two days ago. I was out of the 1 hole and my original plan, always my plan with these early drafts, is to try to get value on players before NFL draft or FA does something to spike their value. Rookie RB's is the best play for this kind of thing but I was a in bad spot for the Big 3, I'd have had to take them at 24/25, all gone by next time I picked and I kind of thought that might happen so my plan was this: Take CMC,  and basically don't worry about his health, in other words just figure he's RB1 and if he goes down the team can't accomplish it's ultimate goal anyway. Then I wanted to load up on players I felt were bona fide WR1's, players who are draft/FA proof and then after I put 3-4 stud WR's with CMC I would gobble up RB's I thought would win in FA and non Big 3 rookie RB's with the idea with CMC locking down RB1 and my WR's filling out rest of my lineup I only needed to hit one RB. In many ways reverse of your draft were you threw a bunch of WR's up against the wall, I threw a bunch of RB's up against the wall.

Hurts 8, Lawrence 12

CMC 1, Drake 6, Fournette 7, Sermon 10, Penny 11, Michael Carter 13, Vaughn 14, Khalil Herbert 20

Michael Thomas 2, AJB 3, Godwin 4, Diontae 5, Emmanuel Sanders 18, Elijah Moore 19

Goedert 9, Ebron 14, Everett 16

Butker 17

No D

So far the trying to get a jump on FA value has failed.  When I took Drake/Fournette at 6/7 turn the guy I wanted as Carson but he went 6.9. SEA ends up resigning Carson of course, had reported strong interest in Fournette and I end up with Penny later. This is the shots you take in FA, I was thisclose to locking down expected top two SEA RB's at a nice cost which you'd think likely gives me at least a RB2 but I might have nothing.  Drake did not land well.  So FA was not good so far to my RB plan with FA's, but did give the few rookie RB's I was able to gather more open spots.

JuJu was unexpected slight hurt to Diontae and Ebron but were I picked I don't think I'd have changed anything.

I did like Everett's landing for the cost I paid and Sanders was ok as a 5th WR, he can still play at a very high level so FA shots went ok with these two but nothing great.

I can see a scenario were my plan goes off well, I can see a scenario were this team blew 1.1.

 
BTW-you might know this already but I did not know myself until a few drafts in last year but you don't have to actually draft a K or D in this contest right now. You might have wanted to anyway but in case you did not know, say for instance you wanted to roster another rookie and see how it shakes out. #### me

In many ways reverse of your draft were you threw a bunch of WR's up against the wall, I threw a bunch of RB's up against the wall. - that's what I did on my first draft and what I often do in these contests. I haven't tried a RB top heavy approach like this in a long time and I think I like it. I usually build teams that look like yours here, which is what I would do out of the 1 spot I think and for largely the same reasons. 

Hurts 8, Lawrence 12

CMC 1, Drake 6, Fournette 7, Sermon 10, Penny 11, Michael Carter 13, Vaughn 14, Khalil Herbert 20

Michael Thomas 2, AJB 3, Godwin 4, Diontae 5, Emmanuel Sanders 18, Elijah Moore 19

Goedert 9, Ebron 14, Everett 16

Butker 17

No D

I can see a scenario were my plan goes off well, I can see a scenario were this team blew 1.1. -In FPC last year I drew an ungodly amount of 1 spots, more than my share really. So bummed about CMC. I even took a couple of those teams to the big dance despite him. I had had years of never getting top 3 picks and then variance unloaded them on me last year. SMDH.

 
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What's the best approach when you have the rare opportunity to be a buyer heading into cut-down weekend in FFPC dynasty?

I've always been the guy trying to get rid of players for any value.  This year in one of my main leagues I really went hard at consolidating into studs towards the end of the year and early in the offseason to the point where I really only have 11 guys I very much want to keep.  My 12th-14th keepers would probably be Preston Williams, Taysom Hill, Tom Brady (Murray is my starter at QB).  I see all of those guys as pretty disposable.

In past years in the final day or two between cut-downs I've always received a flurry of offers where guys are looking to get out of players for basically anything.  5th, 6th, or 7th round pick is plenty.  So on the one hand it feels like just sitting on my hands until then when people are desperate and panicking might be the route to go.

On the other hand there are a couple of teams that are really behind the barrel on cuts and I worry that if they make some trades over the next week they will be less desperate at the end.  I've thought about doing one of the "I have space, come to me with your extras" posts then that may bring them my way, but I feel like in that case people start expecting only a little under fair market value for their guys since they know you are a buyer.  Whereas if they approach you unsolicited then they are often more willing to take way way under market value in the interest of hoping someone, anyone will buy.

I've never been on this side of it before.

 
What's the best approach when you have the rare opportunity to be a buyer heading into cut-down weekend in FFPC dynasty?
I don't know about *best* approach but there are absolutely steals (or potential steals) to be had out there. I've been doing it ever since I took over a given orphan this offseason. Orphans are more likely to fall in this category like you're describing where you can afford to buy a couple players. I have put out messages to that effect because it is hard enough to get deals done in FFPC, you have to advertise. Across formats I have made more deals because there was mutual knowledge that a market existed for pieces A, B and C, rather than worrying about how my willingness to buy might be used against me. When people, especially the less experienced either at dynasty, FFPC or both, have to make those cuts, or when they get serious about acknowledging how hard that is going to be for them, are going to sell low if they know what's good for them. 

You don't want to wait too long because as you say these kinds of deals are already happening but I think you can afford to shop around. Who are your guys that you think are undervalued? Poke around for them. If I can get lucky I like try to give the other team a 2 for 1 in their favor so as to appeal to their need to cut down. The thing I try to avoid is telling people who/how they should make cuts as it might relate to me trying to sell them something. But if you offer a 2 for 1 it helps. That's just me I guess.

 
I'm new to this.  What is the dynasty value of middling QBs like Cam Newton, Teddy Bridgewater, Taysom Hill - sort of the QB13-24 range of QBs?  2nd round rookie picks?  Do they equate to RB13-24/WR13-24/higher?

 
I'm new to this.  What is the dynasty value of middling QBs like Cam Newton, Teddy Bridgewater, Taysom Hill - sort of the QB13-24 range of QBs?  2nd round rookie picks?  Do they equate to RB13-24/WR13-24/higher?
Not nearly that valuable in 1qb leagues. SF I don’t know, maybe so. Also I would say those guys are lower than qb13-24 range, other than maybe Cam. 

 
Not nearly that valuable in 1qb leagues. SF I don’t know, maybe so. Also I would say those guys are lower than qb13-24 range, other than maybe Cam. 
Agreed. If this is a 1qb league, those QBs listed are barely worth ANY draft pick and are likely droppable. Many teams keep only 1 QB at cut down time and some keep 2. That’s only around 16-19 QBs kept, putting the rest out on the waiver wire to be drafted with picks in the 3rd round at the best, and more likely 4th-6th rounds. 

 
I'm new to this.  What is the dynasty value of middling QBs like Cam Newton, Teddy Bridgewater, Taysom Hill - sort of the QB13-24 range of QBs?  2nd round rookie picks?  Do they equate to RB13-24/WR13-24/higher?
In single QB they're not really rosterable. Even inseason. Hill was useful when he was starting but nobody is gonna buy them in single QB. There are still some Cam believers out there, though, and even a 4th rounder or something is better than nothing. I would post a message saying Cam available for a 4th and see if you get any takers. Maybe a 3rd IDK. They're not worth it though.

 
I'm not sure why Cam would be worth more than Hill at this point.  Hill was a fantasy stud in 3 of his 4 starts, with the lone dud being that Denver Kendall Hilton QB game where the Saints didn't have to do anything except take a knee on offense all day.

He may miss out on the job entirely, but if I was going to take a stab at one of them it would be him and if he loses the job he's your easy 1st cut to start the year.

Absolutely zero interest in rostering Cam/Bridgewater in 1qb.

 
I'm not sure why Cam would be worth more than Hill at this point.  Hill was a fantasy stud in 3 of his 4 starts, with the lone dud being that Denver Kendall Hilton QB game where the Saints didn't have to do anything except take a knee on offense all day.

He may miss out on the job entirely, but if I was going to take a stab at one of them it would be him and if he loses the job he's your easy 1st cut to start the year.

Absolutely zero interest in rostering Cam/Bridgewater in 1qb.
I don't disagree. I was thinking simply in terms of my perception of the market. I would rather take a flyer on Hill but Cam is the only one I think you might be able to sell.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
What's the best approach when you have the rare opportunity to be a buyer heading into cut-down weekend in FFPC dynasty?

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I'll throw out some suggestions but I'm almost never in this spot.

1. Do you want or could you use a QB? Incredibly good time to take a strong second QB off someone's hands.

2. Are there any players more valuable to you then in a vacuum? An example might be you are thin at RB, have Josh Jacobs so Drake has more value to you and guy carrying Drake would welcome a pick and free roster spot.

3. Simple as it sound and I assume everyone does this but look over rosters, identify who is has a surplus, try to identify who they can't keep and see if one of those players do something for you.

4. Same as item #3 but you don't always have to target the guys the teams are going to cut, good time to get discounts on players top 14 if they have cuts they value.

5. I would try and refrain from sending messages saying stuff like "well you can take this or take nothing when you have to cut them".  Don't back people into a corner like that, I know when people come at me like that I'll just cut a guy first. Just open up lines of communications as you can help them and they can help you, but I'm guessing you knew that already.

 
Oh, I thought FFPC was you start 2 QBs.  That's what I mean - in a start 2 QB league.
There is regular FFPC and there is Superflex. You can only start two QBs in Superflex and it changes almost everything that has been said so far!!

I have sold Cam in SF recently for a future 2nd/3rd as well as just a future 2nd. I have bought Hill to pair with Winston (and probably overpaid) but it was Brady plus 3.12. Bridgewater is a mystery but if anyone was selling for cheap and I had room I would certainly pay a 3rd. I don't know if I would sell for that though.

 
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There is regular FFPC and there is Superflex. You can only start two QBs in Superflex and it changes almost everything that has been said so far!!

I have sold Cam in SF recently for a future 2nd/3rd as well as just a future 2nd. I have bought Hill to pair with Winston (and probably overpaid) but it was Brady plus 3.12. Bridgewater is a mystery but if anyone was selling for cheap and I had room I would certainly pay a 3rd. I don't know if I would sell for that though.
I saw Bridgewater go for a 2022 2nd in one of my FFPC SF leagues a week or so ago.

 
One of the teams in my SF startup just went up for sale. They listed the buy now price at 379 and have a high bid of 250 at the moment. Strange setup to buy into a startup and then leave three days later or whatever it is. 

 
One of the teams in my SF startup just went up for sale. They listed the buy now price at 379 and have a high bid of 250 at the moment. Strange setup to buy into a startup and then leave three days later or whatever it is. 
Interesting. Is it safe to assume this is a $250 league?

 
I don’t understand this at all. Go thru the effort to draft a start up team and then turn around and sell it hoping to makers a profit. Did they have an amazing draft?
Yeah I mean the team is alright not bad. I wouldn't call it an amazing draft. Not like my team. I've seen teams go up for sale though and nothing happens. I think a lot of "sellers" are just sort of testing the system. 

 
BTW I've bought a couple orphans where there were pending trade offers still active, whether to or from my team. A couple of them were ones I needed to withdraw immediately.

 
BTW I've bought a couple orphans where there were pending trade offers still active, whether to or from my team. A couple of them were ones I needed to withdraw immediately.
A guy in my league sent me an obvious "I'm cutting this player but maybe you want him for a 2022 3rd" offer on Saturday. I didn't get around to rejecting it until this morning. I sent a counter for a different player and got a message saying, "Trades are not allowed for [other team's name]. The team is for sale and the roster locked on DynastyDepot.com." So much for that. 

 
I don’t understand this at all. Go thru the effort to draft a start up team and then turn around and sell it hoping to makers a profit. Did they have an amazing draft?
With the deposits and fees, they're likely losing $.

Had a bad draft and are cutting loses?

 
With the deposits and fees, they're likely losing $.

Had a bad draft and are cutting loses?
I haven't sold a team on there yet but I am assuming deposits are refunded. Not the fees but the deposit. Every new owner must pay the future deposit so I am pretty sure if they sold the $250 team for $250 they'd still get $350 back as the new owner would also have to fork out $350. Otherwise someone is pocketing Benjamins and it isn't the buyer or the seller. They set the buy now price at 379 (buyer would pay 479 plus fees) which would be a clear profit even after deducting fees. Right now the high bid is still 250 and there are only a few hours left. But. The reserve hasn't been met so this team is probably not getting sold unless someone goes much higher.

 
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Even if it sold for $379 I don't think I get it. Two weeks of drafting and then posting for sale in order to make $100? IDK.

Reference here is the squad:

Lawrence, Fields, Wentz
Swift, Monty, Carson, Lindsay, Gainwell, Jamaal Williams
Juju, D Smith, C Samuel, Amon-Ra, M Brown, R Anderson
Hunter, Ebron, Ertz

and they have one extra 2022 2nd (it might be mine)

 
barackdhouse said:
Even if it sold for $379 I don't think I get it. Two weeks of drafting and then posting for sale in order to make $100? IDK.

Reference here is the squad:

Lawrence, Fields, Wentz
Swift, Monty, Carson, Lindsay, Gainwell, Jamaal Williams
Juju, D Smith, C Samuel, Amon-Ra, M Brown, R Anderson
Hunter, Ebron, Ertz

and they have one extra 2022 2nd (it might be mine)
I just did the same thing and can explain some of my reasoning. I was bored, wanted exposure to SF, wanted to experiment with selling a startup on DD. 

Startup drafting is fun so why the heck not?

I planned to resell it next yr once rookie picks were assigned (I had 3 1's) but figured why not see if it will sell now. I know it would have sold for more a yr from now, but now I have sold at a small profit ($154 in, Net $85 out) and can move on to another.

Owner gets a good team, I have fun and make a small profit and I am already drafting my next team. If churning startups is wrong, I don't want to be right😉 

 
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Owner gets a good team, I have fun and make a small profit and I am already drafting my next team. If churning startups is wrong, I don't want to be right😉 
Yeah I can see it. Especially if you're wanting the exposure like you say. I think part of that equation is actually seeing it in action, but it does allow you to keep experimenting and tinkering and having fun. I've been thinking about it, too, but I just love the teams I come out of startups with. 

I also love the way my orphans are already shaping up as we approach cuts. But I am wondering if I should be favoring startup drafting over taking over orphans. These orphans are going to more than pay for themselves with winnings, IMO, but even the best of my orphans aren't as good as my startup teams. I bought a 2020 $250 SF champ for $10, and it looks every part of a champ squad and it even came with two current 1sts but it still isn't as good (or as valuable) as my teams that I drafted, either the one I've done this year or my other teams from the past. They're loaded but these orphans are actual work.

I'm also not clear on just how easy it is to sell these on DD. Can you do it inseason? Does anyone know? That might be weird. If you were in the 1 seed in week 10 would you sell for $1000? Could you?

 
Yeah I can see it. Especially if you're wanting the exposure like you say. I think part of that equation is actually seeing it in action, but it does allow you to keep experimenting and tinkering and having fun. I've been thinking about it, too, but I just love the teams I come out of startups with. 

I also love the way my orphans are already shaping up as we approach cuts. But I am wondering if I should be favoring startup drafting over taking over orphans. These orphans are going to more than pay for themselves with winnings, IMO, but even the best of my orphans aren't as good as my startup teams. I bought a 2020 $250 SF champ for $10, and it looks every part of a champ squad and it even came with two current 1sts but it still isn't as good (or as valuable) as my teams that I drafted, either the one I've done this year or my other teams from the past. They're loaded but these orphans are actual work.

I'm also not clear on just how easy it is to sell these on DD. Can you do it inseason? Does anyone know? That might be weird. If you were in the 1 seed in week 10 would you sell for $1000? Could you?
I just asked DD and they said no selling during season.

 
Yeah, it would be pretty difficult logistically.
So when is the cutoff? Week 1? I am wondering about whether a team would be more marketable right before the rookie draft or right before the season when there are hot rookies on the roster already and every FF player on the planet is active.

 
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I would imagine shortly before week 1 starts would be cutoff. I think the best times will be shortly after the season once rookie picks are assigned, then right before rookie draft (provided you have rookie picks on the team) and then again right before the season starts. 

 
Excuse me for asking cause I might have missed it since there's a lot of talk of selling and doing all that. Do you set the price? From the previous conversations and all it seems you do, but then you have the right to cancel it and not sell? That seems sketchy no? Also do you bake in the future deposit you've made into the sell price or does FFPC refund that, and the new owner pays that to FFPC when they buy the team? That doesn't seem like all the costs are up front that a seller might not know about. 

The whole dynastydepot thing is very sketchy to me and it's exploiting FFPC in my mind. I get that you might want to sell for a quick profit, but especially if it's year 1, why wouldn't you just see what your team can do if it's good? Maybe it's just my "finish what you started" attitude but I just don't get it. It's fine after a few years or something, or something comes up and you can't do it anymore (time/money etc.) but it seems shady. 

 
@Zyphros I still haven't sold a team on there yet but when you purchase one it directs you to a purchase page on the FFPC site, where it shows the cost breakdown and includes the deposit $ as going to the seller, while also asking the purchaser for that same deposit amount 100% of the time. So no you wouldn't be factoring that into the sale price, which yes you do get to choose. The deposit is added to the sale price when the purchase is made. 

I think a number of people have complained about people being able to back out of a listing if the reserve price isn't met. I suppose the process could still change.

 
Excuse me for asking cause I might have missed it since there's a lot of talk of selling and doing all that. Do you set the price? From the previous conversations and all it seems you do, but then you have the right to cancel it and not sell? That seems sketchy no? Also do you bake in the future deposit you've made into the sell price or does FFPC refund that, and the new owner pays that to FFPC when they buy the team? That doesn't seem like all the costs are up front that a seller might not know about. 

The whole dynastydepot thing is very sketchy to me and it's exploiting FFPC in my mind. I get that you might want to sell for a quick profit, but especially if it's year 1, why wouldn't you just see what your team can do if it's good? Maybe it's just my "finish what you started" attitude but I just don't get it. It's fine after a few years or something, or something comes up and you can't do it anymore (time/money etc.) but it seems shady. 
You set a reserve price and a buy it now price. The option for the owner to cancel after the reserve price has been met has been removed. When you sell your team you get the price it sold for less 10% of the sale price for commission and when the money is deposited in your FFPC account your FFPC deposit is added\refunded.

The costs for the buyer and seller are all up front so there really isn't anything hidden.

I listed the reasons why a person would want to do this a couple of posts ago. Its fun and I get paid to draft a team, whats not to like? I still have plenty of other teams to manage. I don't plan or think I could make a living out of it, but I can kill some time and have a little fun. 

 
Guys I'm seeing dropped that I would have paid a little something for. And in some cases I have made offers. SMDH

Lindsay, Ebron, Jarwin, Slayton, TY Hilton, Hamler, Van Jefferson, Dalton in SF, Firkser

And most leagues most owners are still hoarding until the last minute so we can expect many more names soon. There are always surprises. 

 
Anyone wanna share some names of difficult cuts you're likely making? I have one Gronk I am probably cutting. 
I've done a solid job in most of my leagues trimming the roster down already, one league I almost completely struck out but most leagues I managed to trim stuff already:

I have Gronk vs Preston Williams for last spot in one league and frankly don't think either are worth keeping and would like to upgrade my 14th man but I'm very pick poor in the league, as poor as I've been leading up to a draft with no picks until 4.11. I'm heavily leaning towards cutting Gronk.

Jeff Wilson in one league.

Worst league as of today I would have to cut Hilton(who just resigned with the Colts), Penny, Cohen, Perine and Gerald Everett.

Hilton on chopping block in another league.

 
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Guys I'm seeing dropped that I would have paid a little something for. And in some cases I have made offers. SMDH

Lindsay, Ebron, Jarwin, Slayton, TY Hilton, Hamler, Van Jefferson, Dalton in SF, Firkser

And most leagues most owners are still hoarding until the last minute so we can expect many more names soon. There are always surprises. 
Then there's the other extreme. There's a guy in one of my best-ball leagues who will post "Russell Gage for a pick" and then will spam the entire league with two offers of Gage for a 2021 4th or Gage for a 2022 3rd. (I have a friend in the league who gets the same offers, so my assumption is he's sending these to the entire league.) He offered me Gage for my 2.10 in January, then a month later offered Gage again, then a few days ago made another round of Gage offers. Last night he posted that Winston/Hill were available as a package, then spammed the league with offers. For both players. At cutdown. In a 1 QB league. 

Every year I see big names get cut who I easily would've paid something for, and every year there are guys who think every one of their cuts is the next Josh Allen/James Robinson/Darren Waller. 

 
Anyone wanna share some names of difficult cuts you're likely making? I have one Gronk I am probably cutting. 
FPC, not sure how tuff they are but guys I wouldn't mind hanging on to a bit longer

Tyler Johnson, Lazard

3 of the following have to go, Conner, Vaughn, J Kelley, D Harris, Hamler, B Edwards & Albert O

 
One league I'll need to cut 2 of Hurts/Mooney/Jarwin.

SF leagues are the toughest.  One SF league I'm looking at Vaughn/Gurley/Shepard/Jarwin all on the chopping block right now.  Another SF Gabe Davis/Kmet/Penny.

 
I'm in a superflex best ball dynasty. The league champ had a pretty deep team, and yesterday he cut Bridgewater and Jarvis Landry. I just don't get it. He did message the league to say they were on the board, but why drop those guys eight days before cutdown? It makes me crazy. 

 
One league I'll need to cut 2 of Hurts/Mooney/Jarwin.

SF leagues are the toughest.  One SF league I'm looking at Vaughn/Gurley/Shepard/Jarwin all on the chopping block right now.  Another SF Gabe Davis/Kmet/Penny.
Superflex leagues can be brutal. In various leagues, I've got Gurley, Crowder, Everett (was an easy cut but now Seattle has me interested), Hardman and Ebron as probable cuts. 

 

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