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FFPC dynasty and redraft leagues thread (2 Viewers)
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joey
Footballguy
I still have the likes of James White, Ty Johnson RB NYJ and Drew Sample TE CIN sitting on my roster and I'm not cutting them til the last moment.
Did a maiden draft last year and picked up like 4 orphans this year. So my first off season in this FFPC format. The past few days a few of those leagues popped off with activity. One league had roughly 20 trades, big and small, on Sunday. Sure exciting time if you are in these formats. I find even getting value in the small trades can add up. when repeated a few times.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
The first FFPC maiden draft I did was awesome. We had like three weeks between the league filling and the start of the draft. I made like 25 trades before the draft and another 10 during. As you said, small value wins can sure add up.
Before the draft started I had like 8 future 1sts and still had enough value left in the startup to try and be competitive year 1. I didnt go that route and instead went all young. Worked out very well.
Thinking the FFPC community is generally smarter now than it was 8 years ago.
From FFPC regarding the 17-week season NFL season: "Some of you have already asked about how this will affect the FFPC's schedule for the different options we currently offer. I can tell you right now that all FFPC formats will have one more week in their regular seasons this year than they did a year ago. And best ball leagues will now have 17 weeks of play instead of 16. Rules are being edited shortly to reflect the specific formats."
I did like the simplicity of the "each team plays every other team once" regular-season format for Main Event, but I've always felt the season was too short. In particular, the short Main Event season made drafting rookies difficult, because a lot of times, they don't really start producing until mid-season, and by then it might be too late to make a difference for your team. I'm interested to see how they address the extra regular-season game.
I did like the simplicity of the "each team plays every other team once" regular-season format for Main Event, but I've always felt the season was too short. In particular, the short Main Event season made drafting rookies difficult, because a lot of times, they don't really start producing until mid-season, and by then it might be too late to make a difference for your team. I'm interested to see how they address the extra regular-season game.
I thought season was to short as well so glad to see the extra week.
My guess is the extra week is handled something like how RTS has been handling their 12 week season for years which is week one top 6 teams get a W and bottom 6 take an L. I've always thought it would be best to make that week 12 instead of week one myself but I would guess it goes something like this. I'd be extremely surprised if you had to play a team twice.
Wow some last minute craziness in a few of my league... Things went dormant the past 24 hours and then a few of my leagues popped off at like 10:00-Midnight / Deadline
I took on 4 orphans this off season and was able to make a lot of deals and improve the outlook of each one. FFPC is wild with that cut down date. Level of activity and fun over the past week was high. Gotta get back to the real world, though.
I took on 4 orphans this off season and was able to make a lot of deals and improve the outlook of each one. FFPC is wild with that cut down date. Level of activity and fun over the past week was high. Gotta get back to the real world, though.
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joey
Footballguy
a strange cut in my FFPC league...Benny Snell RB PIT was dropped at roster cutdown time last night. Even with the uncertainty about the PIT RB situation, he's the starter right now at least and keepable, I'd imagine. Am I missing something? This owner drop Bell and kept Kerryon Johnson RB DET. He must've been drunk or something 
IMO keeping Kerryon is strange but I'd have been comfortable cutting Snell.a strange cut in my FFPC league...Benny Snell RB PIT was dropped at roster cutdown time last night. Even with the uncertainty about the PIT RB situation, he's the starter right now at least and keepable, I'd imagine. Am I missing something? This owner drop Bell and kept Kerryon Johnson RB DET. He must've been drunk or something
Marauder
Footballguy
I'm surprised nobody has posted this yet. FFPC sent out this email this morning about a new Dynasty format:
We're kicking off April with a brand new game for you to enjoy this year (and going forward), players! You can check out all the details on the new FFPC RotoViz TriFlex Dynasty Leagues here, but here's how they're different from our traditional FFPC dynasty start-up leagues:
The starting lineup consists of 1-QB, 2-RB, 3-WR, 1-TE, 1-SUPERFLEX, and 2-FLEX. Neither kickers nor defenses are used in this format.
QB can be used as a Flex, but only for the 1 Superflex position. The 2nd and 3rd Flex can be RB, WR or TE.
RotoViz Triflex QB passing scoring is 25 yards = 1 point. Interception are minus two points (-2).
For FFPC RotoViz Triflex Dynasty Drafts, teams can draft a maximum of three (3) QBs.
We're kicking off April with a brand new game for you to enjoy this year (and going forward), players! You can check out all the details on the new FFPC RotoViz TriFlex Dynasty Leagues here, but here's how they're different from our traditional FFPC dynasty start-up leagues:
The starting lineup consists of 1-QB, 2-RB, 3-WR, 1-TE, 1-SUPERFLEX, and 2-FLEX. Neither kickers nor defenses are used in this format.
QB can be used as a Flex, but only for the 1 Superflex position. The 2nd and 3rd Flex can be RB, WR or TE.
RotoViz Triflex QB passing scoring is 25 yards = 1 point. Interception are minus two points (-2).
For FFPC RotoViz Triflex Dynasty Drafts, teams can draft a maximum of three (3) QBs.
Thoughts on the new format for main event?
I think the balanced schedule was important for this contest. Why not just extend the bug playoffs another week?
I think the balanced schedule was important for this contest. Why not just extend the bug playoffs another week?
I'm in favor of the longer season schedule. If they made an official announcement I missed it but my guess is you will still only play each team once.
It is now a 12 week regular season, so you will have to play 1 team twice. Especially as it is only 1 team, this really will unbalance schedules.
I know it's a 12 game season but that does not mean it's an unbalanced schedule. Other contests have done 12 week schedules for years in 11 team leagues with an unbalanced schedule. Usually involves an all play week, like top 6 get a W, bottom 6 get a L.
Agree and I don't know what they decided but I would be legit surprised if you played someone twice. Would I care a lot? No. Because with bye weeks I've always thought schedules were a little unbalanced anyway but I'd still rather not play someone twice.
You are correct:
New for 2021: The FFPC Main Event now has 12 regular season weeks. Each team will still play every team in the league one time during the regular season. Week 6 will now be an all play week. This means that week 6 will not have individual H2H matchups, rather it will be a full league total points battle. The top six scorers will get a Win and the bottom six scorers will get a Loss. Any team(s) which are tied for sixth most points scored in week 6, will each be awarded a Win.
Dez
Footballguy
Maybe this will help in not getting screwed by the NFL for bye weeks during FFPC playoffs. Pretty much every year for a while now week 12 usually has had byes which means your playoffs had guys on bye. Of course the NFL stuck it to everyone last year going bye week 13 so if that continues it still will suck. They didn't have bye 13 until last year (except 1 other year a while back) so here is to hoping week 12 is the last bye week.Drunken Cowboy said:
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Sooo I am in a 77 SF BB startup (just messin round killin time) and we are early in the 8th rd and it came to my attention we have an owner (10 slot) who traded away their future 1st & 2nd (though they do have a different 2nd) and doesn't pick again until the 11th rd.
Their current roster is:
Trevor Lawrence, Najee Harris & Kyle Pitts.
I knew they had made some horrendous early trades but I am baffled at how they could manage to have that roster, no future 1st and no picks until the 11th rd. Full disclosure they do have multiple picks in every rd between 11-19 but still.
My roster (6 slot) isn't anything special but for comparison:
Wilson, Russell
Herbert, Justin
Stafford, Matthew
Swift, D'Andre
Edwards-Helaire, Clyde
Godwin, Chris
I have the next pick 8.4, 9.1, 9.3 & 9.4 and all the rest of my startup picks except my 10th rd and I have all my future picks.
Am I the only one who is fascinated by this?
Their current roster is:
Trevor Lawrence, Najee Harris & Kyle Pitts.
I knew they had made some horrendous early trades but I am baffled at how they could manage to have that roster, no future 1st and no picks until the 11th rd. Full disclosure they do have multiple picks in every rd between 11-19 but still.
My roster (6 slot) isn't anything special but for comparison:
Wilson, Russell
Herbert, Justin
Stafford, Matthew
Swift, D'Andre
Edwards-Helaire, Clyde
Godwin, Chris
I have the next pick 8.4, 9.1, 9.3 & 9.4 and all the rest of my startup picks except my 10th rd and I have all my future picks.
Am I the only one who is fascinated by this?
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That is pretty impressive.
What trades did they make? Possibly paid a lot to move up from 10 to take Lawrence?
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Yea, started therebombjack said:
2.3, 3.10 & 7.10 for 1.5 and bunch of 2022 2-6th rd picks
4.3, 6.3 & 10.3 for 1.11 & 15.11
5.10 for 10.8 & 11.5
8.3 for 13.3 & 14.10
10.8 for 15.3 & 16.10
2022 1st for 7.9 (might actually be best trade value wise, except it will be top 5)
7.9 & 9.10 for 11.3, 12.10, 17th, 18th & 19th
2022 2nd & 26th for 15th & 17th
Just horrendous, I feel bad for him but he will learn. Of course I also feel bad for myself having to play against the 3-4 teams that fleeced him.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah that's pretty bad. I just got done with a $250 startup (not the SF I talked about upthread) and one of the owners said it is his first dynasty. It showed. It was so crazy though for awhile we thought he was maybe kidding (because he did put together a really solid redraft squad) and just spamming and trolling us on purpose. But no, he has no future capital (he ended up with one future 3rd), walked out of the draft thinking you couldn't hold more than 16 and only drafted 15, was constantly asking about scoring and lineup parameters and he managed to spam everyone into hating him. We told him a thousand times that a future x.01 doesn't equal a startup x.01 but he didn't seem to understand it. It was probably the weirdest startup I've ever done.
I drew the 8 spot just like the one we're going to do together in June. So I was stoked to think ok this could be a reasonable parallel to what I might see with you guys. Not a chance. Obviously the NFL draft will shake up the landscape dramatically, but even so there is probably no chance our draft will be anything like the one I just did. So strange.
Dude's "redraft" team from above is:
Winston
A Jones, Carson, Lindsay, Cohen
Adams, Nuk, Tyreek, Deebo, M Williams, MVS, D Robinson
Kittle
K and D
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
At least this guy has a chance to compete. Aren't you supposed to post the team you drafted so we can all study it? Or am I the only one stupid enough to do that...
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I really want to but everyone always says nobody cares about other peoples teams.
I didn't really like my team all that much anyway.
I bet it's the same guy.
Crazy. Almost like it was a challenge or strategy test to have no single digit round picks except 1sts.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Follow up to this draft; moved the 9.4 (and change) for the 8.12 and took Sutton. I was offered Mahomes and picks for Herbert, 9.1 & 9.3. Eventually the deal became Mahomes, 11.1 & 11.6 for Herbert, 9.1 & 9.3.
I was really torn on this, I had a couple of nice wrs lined up to fill out my roster and really wanted to make the picks but after countering a few times it got to where it did and felt it was to good to pass up. Don't pick again until the 11th where I have 3 picks.
Current roster:
Mahomes, Patrick
Wilson, Russell
Stafford, Matthew
Swift, D'Andre
Edwards-Helaire, Clyde
Dillon, AJ
Godwin, Chris
Sutton, Courtland
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That reminds me of a guy in a league of mine coming up on 7 years who only rosters SEC players. To be honest I know I was slow on the take in the startup to realize that's what he was doing and I think most of the league was as well. Anyway he won the league in year one, not since, but he's had a good team all these years and he's never given up on his gimmick in this league, only rosters SEC players.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Oh, I agree that "nobody ehffin cares about your ff team" is absolutely true 99% of the time. However, there are exceptions to the rule like when i'm about to do a startup with you. In that case I "care" about your recently drafted team. It's all good im just busting your chops and don't want you to post your team. After all your going to need all the help you can get
barackdhouse
Footballguy
It's true. But I don't know, whenever I play poker I always do better against world class competition than I do against the bozos in our home games or the folks at the lower limits. When I used to be an athlete in a former life I always fared better against the better competition. So if that all holds true I should dominate our draft since you guys are the best I could imagine doing a startup with. Sheeeeet.Oh, I agree that "nobody ehffin cares about your ff team" is absolutely true 99% of the time. However, there are exceptions to the rule like when i'm about to do a startup with you. In that case I "care" about your recently drafted team. It's all good im just busting your chops and don't want you to post your team. After all your going to need all the help you can get
I'll do it like this. I really don't know that I'll be trying to build a team like this again in June anyway. This draft was bonkers and June is a long ways away. I'm not crazy about it and I decided to do a couple things against my normal grain. So #### it here it is:
Lamar
RB1, RB2, Vaughn, Felton, Rountree
AJ Brown, Waddle, Bateman*, G Davis, Reagor, Mims, Nico, Surratt, Tutu
Andrews, Ebron, Firkser
K and D
Stacking Andrews and Lamar really wasn't according to any plan. It obviously comes at a cost. I need WRs to emerge here. I'm not going to harp on this because I already triggered enough people over in his thread but the weight discrepancy for Bateman is a thing for me. Yes he is still a super athlete and super talented but as a prospect he is not what I thought he was. Anyway I moved him for a future 1st that I think will be a good one. I had used my future 1st earlier in the draft so now I have one again.
One other note I expect my RB1 and RB2 here to absolutely dominate even though I really don't have an RB3 and that is a bit of a problem.
You just wanted to get us to play guess the RB.
Gibson is one of them.
I'm less sure of the second but going with Akers.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yes. This is the part of the poker game where my chips are all in preflop and you're deciding whether to call me. You have 2-2 and I taunt you by telling you I have Ace King (Gibson/Akers). You're ahead ATM but do you actually call, knowing you're the (razor thin) favorite? With so much uncertainty yet to follow with the flop, turn, and river? Maybe I'm lying and I'm really holding CEH (who I know you and I both like) and Swift. Or maybe I turn my cards over before your decision just to show you that yes you really are ahead. But can you do anything about it? Probably not.
My analogy is now off the rails but it was good in my head for a second. So yes you nailed it - Gibson and Akers. There are several RBs and WRs I like in that range quite a bit anyway. But I know I've talked about those two. Whether it is AK or QJ, they are still coinflips vs a small pair. If I was really going to take it further I'd call those RBs a high pair, like Kings. Aces is more like the Lamar Jackson/Russell Wilson stack I took in a SF startup recently.
*purely poker nerdism to follow, forget the FF analogy* - If it's for all my chips I probably fold the better hand there preflop if I'm the 2-2 vs the AK, as it is the aggressor who pushes their chips in first that has the mathematical edge. They can win one of two ways whereas the caller can only win one way. It is a fundamental poker truth that separates amateurs from pros. If 22 calls down AK every time, eventually as the permutations reach infinity they will become infinitely rich. But on Earth they will never stay solvent long enough to realize it. They will, in mathematical fact, go broke long before that ever happens. This is also why GB should have gone for it on 4th and 8. A coin flip decision should always favor the side with more upside.
Ha, excellent. I knew relative to his price you'd have an easier time getting Gibson but knowing how much you like Akers as well and seeing your team it was easy to see you must have moved around but was less sure on that.
I not only like it that start but it's actually similar to how I've done my last 3 FFPC startups where I've moved up in top 15 picks to get a player and I don't mind saying the makeup of the team is one I'd love to cruise out with after my first few picks in our upcoming startup.
Also I seem to be one of the few high stakes fantasy football players who does not know a thing about poker.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
The biggest and closest analogy for me that actually matters as it relates to FF is that the more risk averse the player, the crappier the results for them. That doesn't mean that being super loose is the right way either. I can pick that concept apart in the poker world. In FF it's quite a bit murkier but I would argue that there is an inflection point between being too risk averse and too loose and that we should strive to dance on that line.
I think FFPC dynasty, in particular, is geared towards punishing the risk averse. That's not to say that higher activity level equals success, but from the many FFPC style leagues I've participated in since 2014, it is the teams making the fewest moves that are the ####tiest. That *might* be a function of risk tolerance or it might be a function of them just being a non-active owner. But they seem to be the ones that are the most hesitant to make deals. So IDK.
I don't look at other FF owners the way I do poker players in terms of competing against them, because mostly I don't give a hoot what other owners in my leagues are doing beyond some basic stuff like how does their team look, what do they need, and to some extent what kind of an owner are they. But that isn't rocket science and there isn't a lot to it. In poker I'm studying the way my opponent is breathing FFS.
TLDR stagnation is bad in FFPC. It exists in all leagues and is a function of NFL realities, but the FFPC roster limits drive the process so a team can go from penthouse to outhouse incredibly quick. Very much like a poker tournament/cash game.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yeah I forget what the deal was to move around for me in this one but it was favorable and I loved getting two RBs there.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
So more DD auction weirdness. The SF startup I did that I spoke about upthread has two teams for sale. One of which is what I would consider an average team and it has been listed multiple times and still hasn't sold. The other team, though, is being listed at far less than the $250 sticker.
It is a startup team. It isn't great but it isn't bad. It has some things going for it. But the reserve price has been met and to the best of my knowledge of how this system works, if the reserve has been met then the team is going to be sold, no? It's a foregone conclusion at this point as far as I can tell. If so then this startup team is going to be sold for a huge loss to the original owner. I *suppose* you could argue that if you *knew* for a fact the team would not take down any winnings in 2021 then any sales price prior to that represents a minimization of the loss. But dang. Weak AF sauce.
Ticks me off because I want to send them both offers. The two teams that are for sale.
I've been watching a little of the DD pods and I think these guys are cool and are doing the right things for the right reasons, but I still have concerns about unintended consequences. I don't like the idea of trading being undercut by constant auction jockeying.
It is a startup team. It isn't great but it isn't bad. It has some things going for it. But the reserve price has been met and to the best of my knowledge of how this system works, if the reserve has been met then the team is going to be sold, no? It's a foregone conclusion at this point as far as I can tell. If so then this startup team is going to be sold for a huge loss to the original owner. I *suppose* you could argue that if you *knew* for a fact the team would not take down any winnings in 2021 then any sales price prior to that represents a minimization of the loss. But dang. Weak AF sauce.
Ticks me off because I want to send them both offers. The two teams that are for sale.
I've been watching a little of the DD pods and I think these guys are cool and are doing the right things for the right reasons, but I still have concerns about unintended consequences. I don't like the idea of trading being undercut by constant auction jockeying.
jabarony
Footballguy
Looking at the DD site - What the heck happened to team 6??? I think I can see the first 3 or 4 rounds, but then he fell asleep for 6 rounds? I'd sell too!
I'm not I'm the market to add another team, but if I were, it would never be an orphan that just drafted, especially one preNFL draft. The startup draft is the best part of joining a new league!
Curious what you mean by trading being undercut? Do you think people will trade more or less? For better or worse? Collusion of some manner?
barackdhouse
Footballguy
But if you are already vested in the prize pool then why not see it through? I can understand selling for a small profit but for a loss?! Less than one month after drafting? Whackadoodle. Yeah I don't remember what their team did/didn't do. I just remember crushing it. It's the best of my 3 startups I've done this year.
I meant that while teams are up for sale, trading is deactivated for that franchise until it is sold and ownership transferred. When that is happening constantly throughout the offseason, it makes trading in general harder. With those owners anyway. I think the previous paradigm was that once these teams were sold there was no limit to trading until week 11 or whatever it is in season. You could always sell your team to someone (after renewal and cutdown deadlines) but I think that was sort of done on the side and at no point would trading be deactivated. Maybe a little bit more of an FFPC vet can attest to that.
I'm not really worried about collusion. I have heard others talk about how it is annoying to send a trade offer and then be notified it is deactivated for that franchise because it is up for sale. I'm not the only one. There is also no limit to how many times you can list it, so if someone really wants to sell it doesn't look like there is anything to prevent them from relisting it all offseason until it is gone. The other team in this example above (that isn't about to sell) has been listed continuously ever since the startup. They wanted 2x at first and now it is listed close to the $250 sticker but it just isn't that great. In the meantime nobody can trade with that franchise.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I think there is a lot of experimenting going on. I'm experimenting but I'm carrying it through 2022 before any attempt to flip.
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One of the teams could be the guy who runs DD. I think he does startups and then lists the teams immediately after, probably to test the site. I'm doing a Triflex startup league right now that he's in with me.
joey
Footballguy
I just don’t understand who would actually buy a team that just finished its startup draft. It’s like having someone else eat the ice cream and you’re left with the dirty bowl and spoon. Isn’t part of joining a startup dynasty league actually being involved in the start up draft itself. Unless these teams are posted for a steep discount, it seems these teams would just sit there forever. This dynasty depot site is a solution looking for a problem (except for established orphaned teams, which it makes sense for I guess).
I think people will quickly find that there won't be a huge market for buying teams for more than one could invest in a start up themselves. The market is there for people to buy heavily discounted teams - basically people who want out. Currently, I think people are assuming they can buy into a maiden, draft wonderfully and turn a profit in 1-2 months. Not going to happen for most. I think it's going to lead to a lot of people holding the bag and eventually selling for much much cheaper when hit with a real dose of reality. I could be totally wrong, but only the extremely stacked squads will turn a profit.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
How can a 750 dollar team sell for 150?? Does the FFPC really eat that much cost? Did the team already pay for the 2021 season and taking that loss??
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I agree completely. Which is why I've gone into this with the idea that I'm going to be rebuilding the orphans that need it, continue tweaking and hustling on the mid range orphans that are one or two steps away, and consolidating and dominating with the orphans that are already there. To compete and *win* money, and to make them stronger for the future, not so much to turn a profit by flipping. Though I absolutely will be shopping them around next year.
In other words, I *plan* to be holding the bag but I think there are lots of owners that are going to be disappointed by how this plays out.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I did take on more orphans than I would have predicted or preferred. 19 actually. Only 2 of them are complete teardowns and that is already going well. I paid a small premium on only 2 of them. They are all at the $250 tier except for two real strong squads at the $500 level for $200 and $299 respectively. Two of the best were purchased for $10 and $29. Lots of other really good teams with room for growth between $39 and $159.
I'm giving serious consideration to hiring an intern/assistant. Not a partner but someone I can delegate certain tasks to for a stake or some such arrangement. Someone with access to my teams and can cover for me.
I managed close to 40 teams last year between redraft and dynasty and have been between 10 and 25 for a few years now. With high success. One really large FFPC style league disbanded last year and freed up a lot of FF commitment for me. 5 teams and I was commissioner. Each team required a different login as well. Now all but two of my teams are on the FFPC platform where it is relatively easy to manage a large number of teams.
But it would be worth it to me to hire an assistant. Probably a local friend but the couple guys I'm thinking of don't play dynasty or FFPC.
I'm giving serious consideration to hiring an intern/assistant. Not a partner but someone I can delegate certain tasks to for a stake or some such arrangement. Someone with access to my teams and can cover for me.
I managed close to 40 teams last year between redraft and dynasty and have been between 10 and 25 for a few years now. With high success. One really large FFPC style league disbanded last year and freed up a lot of FF commitment for me. 5 teams and I was commissioner. Each team required a different login as well. Now all but two of my teams are on the FFPC platform where it is relatively easy to manage a large number of teams.
But it would be worth it to me to hire an assistant. Probably a local friend but the couple guys I'm thinking of don't play dynasty or FFPC.
I took on a lot more FFPC teams last year. After about the first month of the season, the hours spent on weekly waivers became an exercise in "would I rather put in a million claims for Carlos Hyde or punch myself in the crotch?"
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I think you hit the nail on the head here.
I'm planning to join a $2500 league this year but I really don't want to jump into it without having done any startups this year, since actually being in a startup is so different than just looking through ADP data.
I've toyed with the idea of doing a ~$250 startup for practice and then just immediately selling the team. Even if I took a $100 hit on the sale monetarily that would be a cost worth paying for the practice prior to the $2500 startup. I haven't decided if it's kind of a crappy thing to do to the other members of that would-be league I'd be immediately bailing on though.
