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FFToolbox Experts Draft - June (1 Viewer)

Andrew Garda

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We're into the second round - a few surprises but for June, nothing SHOCKING.

Starting:

1 QB, 2-3 Rb, 3-4 WR, 1-2 TEs, K, Team D.

PPR

Round the first - unfortunately several guys forgot to add comments (or Auto Drafted) so the first few picks aren't explained (though they are pretty chalk).

1.01 1. Rotoworld.com Peterson, Adrian MIN RB Mon Jun 14 12:03:02 p.m. ET 2010

1.02 2. FansFantasyFootball.com Johnson, Chris TEN RB Mon Jun 14 12:03:03 p.m. ET 2010

1.03 3. FantasySharks.com Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB Mon Jun 14 1:52:03 p.m. ET 2010

1.04 4. FFToolbox.com Rice, Ray BAL RB Mon Jun 14 1:52:04 p.m. ET 2010

1.05 5. DraftAnalyzer.com Gore, Frank SFO RB Mon Jun 14 4:05:27 p.m. ET 2010 I have stayed away from Gore every year not because he isn't talented, but because the 49ers offense has been awful. He had a good season in 2009 and I am hoping that an improved, albeit very young, offensive line, more consistency at the QB position and the linebackers focusing on Vernon Davis will make Gore worth a first round draft pick. In addition, Gore averages over 50 catches a season which dramatically adds to his value in this PPR league.

1.06 6. TheHuddle.com Johnson, Andre HOU WR Mon Jun 14 4:17:14 p.m. ET 2010 Gone are the days when you had to follow the lemmings off the cliff and take a running back; in fact, with Gore going on the previous pick Andre Johnson is the safest selection on the board. Unless this draft reverts back to the stone age of RB/RB, I should still find a quality back in the second round. And if not? There are certainly worse ways to do fantasy battle than with the top two wideouts.

1.07 7. RapidDraft.com Turner, Michael ATL RB Mon Jun 14 4:17:15 p.m. ET 2010

1.08 8. FFToday.com Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB Mon Jun 14 6:14:02 p.m. ET 2010

1.09 9. KFFL.com Jackson, Steven STL RB Mon Jun 14 6:25:19 p.m. ET 2010 I'm not crazy about this pick - Jackson has a lot of downside this year. Nevertheless, of all of available backs right now, Jackson's potential wins out.

1.10 10. FantasyFootballTrader.com Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB Tue Jun 15 12:12:53 a.m. ET 2010 DeAngelo is the rare committee back that has the potential to finish top 5 at the position. Stewart is proving he's every bit Williams' peer but I think DeAngelo edges him out for one more season.

1.11 11. Footballguys.com Johnson, Calvin DET WR Tue Jun 15 12:12:54 a.m. ET 2010 I knew Williams falling to me at 11 was too much to ask for. I looked at the RBs on the board still and once you get past Williams (although I had Williams higher than Gore, Jackson, Turner and Mendenhall) I feel like the lower first round backs are pretty similiar in risk and upside while the top tier WRs are still on the board.

I went with Johnson over Fitzgerald because i have very little faith in the quarterbacks in Arizona. His talent will overcome a lot but QB play and a larger focus on the run game will take a leg out of his value this season. It was close between Wayne and Calvin but I went with CJ's upside - with the weapons around him to pull coverage off him and an underrated Stafford, I think Johnson begins to hit his potential and has an outstanding season.

It's perhaps a bit risky, but CJ's potential makes it worth it.

1.12 12. CBS Moss, Randy NEP WR Tue Jun 15 9:08:51 a.m. ET 2010 He's in a contract year, and he's saying all the right things to make you think he actually cares about playing this year. And with Wes Welker limited with the knee injury, Moss could see more targets. He's the No. 2 receiver in my book behind Andre Johnson.

The rest of the draft so far....

CBS went WR/WR at the turn which I actually thought about quite bit before going with Mathews for my second pick. I feel good about Mathews (for June) and thought about a few other backs but believe he is in for a very good season.

I ALMOST had D. Williams drop to me which would have been the second June FFToolbox Mock Draft that would have happened in for me. I kept having Williams drop to me in the latter half of mocks last year and it's interesting to see it happen again at the beginning of this summer.

I love mocks - nothing begins crystalizing my thoughts on rankings and players like a mock draft - they may not 'count' but it really makes you examine what you're thinking is on a guy and why.

Anyway, thought you guys might want to watch so enjoy!

 
I like the mock so far. I think where you are/were you could have really locked in 2 killer wide outs, by getting say Moss and Fitz or maybe Moss and Calvin

Those would have been really solid starting punch. Your comment on the all upside team so far is accurate but dangerous. I personally would have gone a little safer at a late draft pick.

If it were me I would have gone Moss and then looked at some solid RB maybe F Jones (or Barber whichever way you side). Then worried about upside in the next few rounds with RBs

I like watching good mocks so I'm locked into this topic. Thanks

Matt

 
I dont like Mathews at 2.2 at all. Drafting him that high means he basically has to hit almost unattainable numbers to justify the pick. Norv has also said he'll get about 250 carries and 40 catches, obviously nothing is set in stone, but he would have to score a boatload of TDs with that workload just to break even.

 
"]http://football27.myfantasyleague.com/2010/options?L=66395&O=17"]

I love mocks - nothing begins crystalizing my thoughts on rankings and players like a mock draft - they may not 'count' but it really makes you examine what you're thinking is on a guy and why.
This is the problem with a mock draft people can just do what they want and have no repercussions. If you want to try some wierd strat then it is "only a mock".Only real drafts under fire with something on the line matter.

This is good if your looking to kill some time or have some fun but not really good to try and go into your "real" drafts that count for something because people are going to do something different.

 
"]http://football27.myfantasyleague.com/2010/options?L=66395&O=17"]

I love mocks - nothing begins crystalizing my thoughts on rankings and players like a mock draft - they may not 'count' but it really makes you examine what you're thinking is on a guy and why.
This is the problem with a mock draft people can just do what they want and have no repercussions. If you want to try some wierd strat then it is "only a mock".Only real drafts under fire with something on the line matter.

This is good if your looking to kill some time or have some fun but not really good to try and go into your "real" drafts that count for something because people are going to do something different.
Dearest Henry,While those of us who know you from another forum realize you have nothing left to learn from anyone else, there are things at stake in a mock like this, like a FF site's rep. If you don't like it, why post? Ahem, rhetorical question that I already know the answer to.

CJ is one player that I think is somewhat over rated. I would take Fitz or Moss over him easilly. While the AZ QB situation is a concern, Boldin is gone, so I think it's a wash. I also think Mathews was taken too early. Can't say I like the FBG draft picks so far, but it's usually rounds 4 thru 7 that championships are made IMO.

 
HenryMuto said:
This is the problem with a mock draft people can just do what they want and have no repercussions. If you want to try some wierd strat then it is "only a mock".

Only real drafts under fire with something on the line matter.

This is good if your looking to kill some time or have some fun but not really good to try and go into your "real" drafts that count for something because people are going to do something different.
Well now, you don't have to follow any mocks if they mean nothing to you. Thanks for your insights, but I disagree with the bolded.While I would not have taken Mathews at the 2.02 pick (nor do I have him ranked that highly) I find it extremely interesting that NoFBinLA did draft him there. Personally, I like the 1.11 pick of Calvin Johnson even less than the 2.02 pick. Either way, I see nothing wrong with these picks in a mock draft setting.

I'll be paying attention a lot more closely now than if everything went down according to typical rankings. Gee, that's exciting :goodposting: It's picks like his which throw people off when the are expecting a typical draft scenario. Because Garda went in this direction we get to see how the other experts respond. It's going to be interesting to see how his team pans out compared to the other website reps when all is said and done.

FansFantasyFootball.com - Ken Zalis

TheHuddle.com - John Tuvey

FFToolbox.com - Ben Standig

RapidDraft.com - Matt Schauf

FFToday.com - Mike MacGregor

FantasySharks.com - Tony Holm

FantasyFootballTrader.com - Rick Perkins

Rotoworld.com - Evan Silva

KFFL.com - Cory J. Bonini

CBSSports.com - Jamey Eisenberg

Footballguys.com - Andrew Garda

DraftAnalyzer.com - Ted Kasten

Scoring System:

WCOFF style:

Passing TD: 4pts

Passing INT: -1pt

20 Passing Yds: 1pt

Rushing/Receiving TD: 6pts

10 Rushing/Receiving Yds: 1pt

1 Reception: 1pt

Roster:

Starting: 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1K, 1DEF

Bench: 8

 
mattsam said:
I like the mock so far. I think where you are/were you could have really locked in 2 killer wide outs, by getting say Moss and Fitz or maybe Moss and CalvinThose would have been really solid starting punch. Your comment on the all upside team so far is accurate but dangerous. I personally would have gone a little safer at a late draft pick. If it were me I would have gone Moss and then looked at some solid RB maybe F Jones (or Barber whichever way you side). Then worried about upside in the next few rounds with RBs I like watching good mocks so I'm locked into this topic. ThanksMatt
Thanks Matt - I have concerns about Fitz - I think he might be able to overcome Leinart but don't feel comfortable with it at this point. I'd say it's pretty early for Barber or Jones either - they both may be there with my next pick.I guess the above comment (re: Fitz) can be said in response to 5rings as well. Just don't like Fitz this year, at this point.
Sigmund Bloom said:
I dont like Mathews at 2.2 at all. Drafting him that high means he basically has to hit almost unattainable numbers to justify the pick. Norv has also said he'll get about 250 carries and 40 catches, obviously nothing is set in stone, but he would have to score a boatload of TDs with that workload just to break even.
I think there's a lot of room for Mathews to succeed and don't feel he's more of a risk than some of the other RBs I could have taken there - perhaps Grant is safer, but his upside is limited IMO. Benson did very well last year, but I'm not excited about him right now. Only a few of the other FBGs staff are with me on Mathews. I thought hard about whether to follow the staff or follow my rankings and went with what I felt right now. I appreciate not everyone is on board right now and know I am against the grain on this a bit. But I stand by my ranking of him right now. It may change - it's June after all.
HenryMuto said:
This is the problem with a mock draft people can just do what they want and have no repercussions. If you want to try some wierd strat then it is "only a mock".Only real drafts under fire with something on the line matter. This is good if your looking to kill some time or have some fun but not really good to try and go into your "real" drafts that count for something because people are going to do something different.
As Rovers says in the next post - it's an experts draft there is a certain amount of pride plus you're trying to give readers an idea of your thoughts which are useful. Nobody is going QB/QB or WR/TE to 'try it out'. It's not just a mock of strangers. It's a bunch of people who take the process seriously.
Rovers said:
CJ is one player that I think is somewhat over rated. I would take Fitz or Moss over him easilly. While the AZ QB situation is a concern, Boldin is gone, so I think it's a wash. I also think Mathews was taken too early. Can't say I like the FBG draft picks so far, but it's usually rounds 4 thru 7 that championships are made IMO.
Again, I realize I am a bit out on a limb for Mathews. Also, I agree very much on the 4-t7 rounds and acknowledge being conservative is likely the mission statement for much of the remaining first half of the draft.Again, I really, really don't like Fitz right now. Neither Leinart or Anderson excite me. Maybe they show me something in Training Camp. Maybe not. Right now, if I had to draft (and I am!) I don't trust Fitz based on his situation. Moss is definitely one I have less of an argument with, though again, I just had CJ rated hire. I think Moss will have a fine season.
 
Black said:
Who are the reps from each site?
Answer below from the helpful Ruffrody.
Is 1.08 a litlle early for Mendy in a PPR?Also is it 6 or 4 points per passing TD?
WCFF scoring so 4 pts
Yeah 4 points.
Chris Wells at 2.03? I've seen enough. :loco: :loco:
Everyone's got their favorites. I was a little surprised at that but I have seen a lot of people high on him so in some ways, not totally stunned. A little early, IMO, yes. But who am I to talk at this point LOL.
While I would not have taken Mathews at the 2.02 pick (nor do I have him ranked that highly) I find it extremely interesting that NoFBinLA did draft him there. Personally, I like the 1.11 pick of Calvin Johnson even less than the 2.02 pick. Either way, I see nothing wrong with these picks in a mock draft setting. I'll be paying attention a lot more closely now than if everything went down according to typical rankings. Gee, that's exciting :wub: It's picks like his which throw people off when the are expecting a typical draft scenario. Because Garda went in this direction we get to see how the other experts respond. It's going to be interesting to see how his team pans out compared to the other website reps when all is said and done. FansFantasyFootball.com - Ken Zalis TheHuddle.com - John TuveyFFToolbox.com - Ben Standig RapidDraft.com - Matt Schauf FFToday.com - Mike MacGregor FantasySharks.com - Tony HolmFantasyFootballTrader.com - Rick PerkinsRotoworld.com - Evan SilvaKFFL.com - Cory J. Bonini CBSSports.com - Jamey EisenbergFootballguys.com - Andrew GardaDraftAnalyzer.com - Ted Kasten
1) Points for using the NoFBinLA moniker. :shock:2) I'm not really sure what to say anymore other than 'In June I believe in CJ/RM'. In July's draft there will be more time passed and maybe I'd do it differently. A different position might also yield a different result. Heck, if Williams had dropped, whole new ball game.I;m not second guessing at this point - no use in it. I'm relatively happy with my picks and feel pretty justified in my logic. Still, always happy to hear other people's thoughts which was the point of the thread (also so people can see what happens as it happens).Also, thanks for the rep role call.Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees off the board now, BTW.Also - if last year is repeated then August's draft will be kept and the league run as a total points/best ball league. Last year I placed pretty well, though the team faded at the end.
 
Is 1.08 a litlle early for Mendy in a PPR?
I thought so too, until I looked at the other options. Mendy caught 25 passes last year, which surprised me since I don't remember him being used a lot in the passing game or on dump-offs, but it appears he no slouch catching the ball. Here is my comment on the pick which didn't make it into the MFL draft report:
Rashard Mendenhall, come on down with the 8th overall pick in the draft. Now I am not entirely buying into this "Steelers are going to become a smash-mouth running team" theory which a lot of people are peddling these days, but of the available RB options - and with Andre Johnson off the board, I'm not jumping up to take the second WR - Mendenhall looks the part of a solid, talented plus heavy workload back. Of key importance, he had 25 catches last year. Those had to be the quietest 25 catches by a RB in recent memory, but shows he is an all-around threat. Further, Mike Tomlin loves this guy. He's been transparent about that since early last season. With Willie Parker out of the picture and no real competition for carries, the Steelers will need to lean on Mendy, and he should be in line for a big season.

http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/2010/moc...95&teamID=5
 
Considering the WR's ont he board I'm almost certain Calvin would have been there on your next pick in round two. Besides, it's not like Detroit's QB situation is that far off of Arizona's. I think Leinart will suprise you.

 
Considering the WR's ont he board I'm almost certain Calvin would have been there on your next pick in round two. Besides, it's not like Detroit's QB situation is that far off of Arizona's. I think Leinart will suprise you.
We've seen flashes of good work from both but Leinart has failed more than he's succeeded. I wasn't excited about any of the RBs right there and they were going to be there with my next pick anwyay. So I went another way.
 
Considering the WR's ont he board I'm almost certain Calvin would have been there on your next pick in round two. Besides, it's not like Detroit's QB situation is that far off of Arizona's. I think Leinart will suprise you.
We've seen flashes of good work from both but Leinart has failed more than he's succeeded. I wasn't excited about any of the RBs right there and they were going to be there with my next pick anwyay. So I went another way.
I hear ya. Pick 11 is kind of no mans land. If one of Williams, Jackson, or perhaps Andre Johnson doesn't fall for you it gets difficult.In regards to Leinart, I honestly don't think he was given a fair shake. He had a very good first year as a starter and the second year Leinart was doing the difficult work and then they'd bring in Warner to take all the glory. Matt is a very smart QB who if is at least competent Fitz will be a top two WR IMO.
 
FansFantasyFootball.com - Ken Zalis TheHuddle.com - John TuveyFFToolbox.com - Ben Standig RapidDraft.com - Matt Schauf FFToday.com - Mike MacGregor FantasySharks.com - Tony HolmFantasyFootballTrader.com - Rick PerkinsRotoworld.com - Evan SilvaKFFL.com - Cory J. Bonini CBSSports.com - Jamey EisenbergFootballguys.com - Andrew GardaDraftAnalyzer.com - Ted Kasten
Nice list.
 
I was looking for Bloom's lessons learned post from last year to see if they actually would have helped with 2010 but couldn't find it. Anyways this popped up and I found it interesting.

 
FantasyTrader said:
Man, that was a horrible draft for me. I loved my top 4 picks of DeAngelo, Wells, Rivers and Boldin. What a steaming pile!
It's funny how things look when you look back. Not a bad draft for me, not great. Dwayne Bowe turned out very good, Steve Smith blah). RB was an issue as people predicted it might. But altogether for June, not bad.ended up in the middle in the August draft as well

Qb killed me there - Young/Henne :goodposting:

Also having just 1 TE - Zach Miller - hurt. There musta been a few weeks where losing him, then not having Young or Henne must have cost me some real points.

Mind you in both cases I would have done a lot with the WW for QB to shore things up once it looked like they were going south.

 

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