Fill out starting lineup or go for RB depth? (1 Viewer)

[Dirty Weasel]

This post probably qualifies for the Assistant Coach forum, but I wanted to post it here for discussion, so I will keep it very generic. I play in a 12-team keeper league (20-player roster) where we can keep only 2 at any one position, and a total of only 8 spots. League starting requirement is 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, and 1D. Ideally, I think it's best to keep 2 each of QB, RB, WR, and TE, but only if you have the talent at each of those positions to keep. Yearly draft is 12 rounds to fill out your 20-player roster, encompassing all rookies and dropped players. Hypothetically, you do keep 2 quality players at QB, RB, WR, and TE, and you have the #2 pick. Your choices are a top rookie RB or a very nice non-rookie WR (this person will be your starting WR3, probably around the WR15 area). Do you go for the rookie RB or the non-rookie WR? I can provide specifics if asked, but like I said, I wanted to keep it generic. Thank you in advance for your replies.

 

[loose circuits]

I draft the player I think is going to score the most points

 

[Dirty Weasel]

I draft the player I think is going to score the most points

The player that will score the most points is probably a QB that will be dropped. Do I take my QB3 before my RB3 or WR3 in a 1QB, 2WR, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league? I don't think I would. Not to be a butthead, but I was in search of a more in-depth response.

 

[gianmarco]

It truly depends on what is available. I would look at the players available and put them in tiers, both for RB's and WR's. If you can try to gauge what will likely fall to you when you pick again , I would take the position that is going to see the biggest dropoff when it returns to you, with a slight favoring to the WR since it will be a starter.

 

[loose circuits]

I draft the player I think is going to score the most points

The player that will score the most points is probably a QB that will be dropped. Do I take my QB3 before my RB3 or WR3 in a 1QB, 2WR, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league? I don't think I would. Not to be a butthead, but I was in search of a more in-depth response.

i thought it was implied that you were choosing between a WR/RBI am saying it all depends on who is out there. It definitely isn't cut and dry. If there was a RB I was high on, I'd consider them. However, it is always tough to juggle WR's if you don't end up striking gold on the waiver wire and your longshots don't payoff. However, if you are drafting the 25th rated WR it's probably a longshot anyways. If you have a chance at WR15 because the WR's aren't evenly distributed than I probably go with WR15 depending on who it is. There shouldn't be a lot of options in the wr15 to 24 range if everybody keeps 2 WR's and you start 3.It also depends on if you have 2 solid RB's. If you think you'll need a committee that brings on a different ball of wax...

 

[happy_donut]

This post probably qualifies for the Assistant Coach forum, but I wanted to post it here for discussion, so I will keep it very generic. I play in a 12-team keeper league (20-player roster) where we can keep only 2 at any one position, and a total of only 8 spots. League starting requirement is 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, and 1D. Ideally, I think it's best to keep 2 each of QB, RB, WR, and TE, but only if you have the talent at each of those positions to keep. Yearly draft is 12 rounds to fill out your 20-player roster, encompassing all rookies and dropped players. Hypothetically, you do keep 2 quality players at QB, RB, WR, and TE, and you have the #2 pick. Your choices are a top rookie RB or a very nice non-rookie WR (this person will be your starting WR3, probably around the WR15 area). Do you go for the rookie RB or the non-rookie WR? I can provide specifics if asked, but like I said, I wanted to keep it generic. Thank you in advance for your replies.

Always take the BPA and trade to fill out your roster. In my experience that is the surest way to have the best team.Corollary: Always keep the BPA, even if it means a lopsided roster. Good trading will put you on top.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

In keeper/dynasty leagues, I will take the best player over the next few years and not really worry about position .... with one exception. Positional scarcity is a big issue. RBs are worth much more than QBs in most leagues so keeping two QBs in a keep 10 league does not sound as smart as keeping a slew of RBs. The size of league and how many players kept per team are huge issues. So, in general, having as many good players, regardless of position, is better than worrying about filling out the starting lineup, as long as RB is addressed.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

It truly depends on what is available. I would look at the players available and put them in tiers, both for RB's and WR's. If you can try to gauge what will likely fall to you when you pick again , I would take the position that is going to see the biggest dropoff when it returns to you, with a slight favoring to the WR since it will be a starter.

Great response. My inkling is to go with my starting WR3, but passing on the #2 rookie RB is tough. Thank you for your reply.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

Thanx for the responses. Here is what it boils down to in a 20-roster league where we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league - do I take Calvin Jonson as my starting WR3 (who was dropped) or Rashard Mendenhall/Jonathan Stewart (my bench RB3) at 1.2? My roster is:

QB - Carson Palmer and Marc Bulger

RB - Adrian Peterson and Brian Westbrook

WR - Reggie Wayne and either Greg Jennings or Dwayne Bowe

TE - Antonio Gates and Kellen Winslow

I guess it depends where the rookie RB's end up. I have tried to figure in the decline of an aging Westy. I just can't come to a firm decision. Maybe I will trade down to 1.4 and take CJ2. I just don't know...

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Thanx for the responses. Here is what it boils down to in a 20-roster league where we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league - do I take Calvin Jonson as my starting WR3 (who was dropped) or Rashard Mendenhall/Jonathan Stewart (my bench RB3) at 1.2? My roster is:QB - Carson Palmer and Marc BulgerRB - Adrian Peterson and Brian WestbrookWR - Reggie Wayne and either Greg Jennings or Dwayne BoweTE - Antonio Gates and Kellen WinslowI guess it depends where the rookie RB's end up. I have tried to figure in the decline of an aging Westy. I just can't come to a firm decision. Maybe I will trade down to 1.4 and take CJ2. I just don't know...

with the age of Westbrook, I would take the rook RB all day long in a standard scoring league especially.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Maybe it's just me, but I've always found it quite easy to pick up 3 or more #4 WR types and play matchups. I always screw up the WDIS matchups w/ them, but I can always get several decent ones to choose from. Point is, you'll need that 3rd RB for a minimum of two weeks, and with ADP and Westy it's very possible you'll need him more than that. You've got two studs, but to lose one w/o a servicable replacement would implode your season. If you can keep 2 QBs and 2 TEs, you shouldn't really have to worry about those two positions 'till the end of the draft, if at all. I go Mendenhall/Stewart or even McFadden if you play w/ someone who isn't that high on him (he's #2/3 in my book). Finding several bye week guys at WR shouldn't be a problem and it's likely one will pan out to be a #3. You won't have that chance again at RB if you'll be picking 1.02, 2.11 unless you're feeling pretty good about A.Green or M.Forte. You'll get plenty of opportunity to get a M.Bradley, A.Battle/I.Bruce type of guy and someone in that range will end up giving you 70/900 + 5 TDs. Getting a Mendenhall or the like, you'll be able to replace a 29 y/o Westy next year and still hold two top 5 prospects while getting 5 years younger.

 

[gianmarco]

Hmm, I would lean toward taking CJ2 here. Not only does he become the starter, but if you believe in his talent and his chances of becoming an elite WR (which I do), then he should have considerably longer staying power. I would opt for CJ2.

 

[Dirty Weasel]

Thanx for the responses. Here is what it boils down to in a 20-roster league where we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league - do I take Calvin Jonson as my starting WR3 (who was dropped) or Rashard Mendenhall/Jonathan Stewart (my bench RB3) at 1.2? My roster is:QB - Carson Palmer and Marc BulgerRB - Adrian Peterson and Brian WestbrookWR - Reggie Wayne and either Greg Jennings or Dwayne BoweTE - Antonio Gates and Kellen WinslowI guess it depends where the rookie RB's end up. I have tried to figure in the decline of an aging Westy. I just can't come to a firm decision. Maybe I will trade down to 1.4 and take CJ2. I just don't know...

with the age of Westbrook, I would take the rook RB all day long in a standard scoring league especially.

If Mendenhall/Stewart land in a great situation they will be hard to pass up. Of course I am assuming DMAC goes at 1.1 in my draft. CJ2 is by far the best WR that was/will be dropped. I am hoping either Mendenhall or Stewart get drafted by Denver. I would take either in a heartbeat if that happens, as I feel they would get a crack the starting job.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Thanx for the responses. Here is what it boils down to in a 20-roster league where we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league - do I take Calvin Jonson as my starting WR3 (who was dropped) or Rashard Mendenhall/Jonathan Stewart (my bench RB3) at 1.2? My roster is:QB - Carson Palmer and Marc BulgerRB - Adrian Peterson and Brian WestbrookWR - Reggie Wayne and either Greg Jennings or Dwayne BoweTE - Antonio Gates and Kellen WinslowI guess it depends where the rookie RB's end up. I have tried to figure in the decline of an aging Westy. I just can't come to a firm decision. Maybe I will trade down to 1.4 and take CJ2. I just don't know...

with the age of Westbrook, I would take the rook RB all day long in a standard scoring league especially.

If Mendenhall/Stewart land in a great situation they will be hard to pass up. Of course I am assuming DMAC goes at 1.1 in my draft. CJ2 is by far the best WR that was/will be dropped. I am hoping either Mendenhall or Stewart get drafted by Denver. I would take either in a heartbeat if that happens, as I feel they would get a crack the starting job.

... or Pitt or Detroit or Oakland or Seattle or Houston or Green Bay or Chicago or Cincinnati or Cleveland or ...

 

[vikingdave]

Id draft the RB, then after the draft trade Winslow or Gates for a top WR...problem solved, and I bet you can get as good if not a better WR than Calvin Johnson...

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

Thanx for the responses. Here is what it boils down to in a 20-roster league where we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league - do I take Calvin Jonson as my starting WR3 (who was dropped) or Rashard Mendenhall/Jonathan Stewart (my bench RB3) at 1.2? My roster is:QB - Carson Palmer and Marc BulgerRB - Adrian Peterson and Brian WestbrookWR - Reggie Wayne and either Greg Jennings or Dwayne BoweTE - Antonio Gates and Kellen WinslowI guess it depends where the rookie RB's end up. I have tried to figure in the decline of an aging Westy. I just can't come to a firm decision. Maybe I will trade down to 1.4 and take CJ2. I just don't know...

with the age of Westbrook, I would take the rook RB all day long in a standard scoring league especially.

If Mendenhall/Stewart land in a great situation they will be hard to pass up. Of course I am assuming DMAC goes at 1.1 in my draft. CJ2 is by far the best WR that was/will be dropped. I am hoping either Mendenhall or Stewart get drafted by Denver. I would take either in a heartbeat if that happens, as I feel they would get a crack the starting job.

... or Pitt or Detroit or Oakland or Seattle or Houston or Green Bay or Chicago or Cincinnati or Cleveland or ...

exactly. Either Mendenhall or Stewart landing in a good spot will be worth a whole lot more than Calvin. In a keeper or dynasty league, getting good young RBs in good situations is ideal.

 

[FUBAR]

Thanx for the responses. Here is what it boils down to in a 20-roster league where we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league - do I take Calvin Jonson as my starting WR3 (who was dropped) or Rashard Mendenhall/Jonathan Stewart (my bench RB3) at 1.2? My roster is:QB - Carson Palmer and Marc BulgerRB - Adrian Peterson and Brian WestbrookWR - Reggie Wayne and either Greg Jennings or Dwayne BoweTE - Antonio Gates and Kellen WinslowI guess it depends where the rookie RB's end up. I have tried to figure in the decline of an aging Westy. I just can't come to a firm decision. Maybe I will trade down to 1.4 and take CJ2. I just don't know...

with the age of Westbrook, I would take the rook RB all day long in a standard scoring league especially.

If Mendenhall/Stewart land in a great situation they will be hard to pass up. Of course I am assuming DMAC goes at 1.1 in my draft. CJ2 is by far the best WR that was/will be dropped. I am hoping either Mendenhall or Stewart get drafted by Denver. I would take either in a heartbeat if that happens, as I feel they would get a crack the starting job.

... or Pitt or Detroit or Oakland or Seattle or Houston or Green Bay or Chicago or Cincinnati or Cleveland or ...

exactly. Either Mendenhall or Stewart landing in a good spot will be worth a whole lot more than Calvin. In a keeper or dynasty league, getting good young RBs in good situations is ideal.

With this setup, you are correct. You probably should have looked to see if you could have acquired Calvin in a trade before he was dropped. I would have kept him over Bowe and Jennings, but it depends on what it would have cost. I would think it wouldn't have cost much - he dropped him for nothing, right? But sometimes people don't understand that a mid level pick is good value for a guy they're going to drop.

 

[Yitbos69]

Thanx for the responses. Here is what it boils down to in a 20-roster league where we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league - do I take Calvin Jonson as my starting WR3 (who was dropped) or Rashard Mendenhall/Jonathan Stewart (my bench RB3) at 1.2? My roster is:QB - Carson Palmer and Marc BulgerRB - Adrian Peterson and Brian WestbrookWR - Reggie Wayne and either Greg Jennings or Dwayne BoweTE - Antonio Gates and Kellen WinslowI guess it depends where the rookie RB's end up. I have tried to figure in the decline of an aging Westy. I just can't come to a firm decision. Maybe I will trade down to 1.4 and take CJ2. I just don't know...

with the age of Westbrook, I would take the rook RB all day long in a standard scoring league especially.

If Mendenhall/Stewart land in a great situation they will be hard to pass up. Of course I am assuming DMAC goes at 1.1 in my draft. CJ2 is by far the best WR that was/will be dropped. I am hoping either Mendenhall or Stewart get drafted by Denver. I would take either in a heartbeat if that happens, as I feel they would get a crack the starting job.

... or Pitt or Detroit or Oakland or Seattle or Houston or Green Bay or Chicago or Cincinnati or Cleveland or ...

exactly. Either Mendenhall or Stewart landing in a good spot will be worth a whole lot more than Calvin. In a keeper or dynasty league, getting good young RBs in good situations is ideal.

With this setup, you are correct. You probably should have looked to see if you could have acquired Calvin in a trade before he was dropped. I would have kept him over Bowe and Jennings, but it depends on what it would have cost. I would think it wouldn't have cost much - he dropped him for nothing, right? But sometimes people don't understand that a mid level pick is good value for a guy they're going to drop.

It is hard for me to understand with 20man roster how CJ2 was dropped......even if you were to play in a keep 10 league......how is he not a keeper?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

RB depth is becoming a major myth.

I think nowadays it's almost better to have a well balanced squad.

 

[FUBAR]

Thanx for the responses. Here is what it boils down to in a 20-roster league where we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league - do I take Calvin Jonson as my starting WR3 (who was dropped) or Rashard Mendenhall/Jonathan Stewart (my bench RB3) at 1.2? My roster is:QB - Carson Palmer and Marc BulgerRB - Adrian Peterson and Brian WestbrookWR - Reggie Wayne and either Greg Jennings or Dwayne BoweTE - Antonio Gates and Kellen WinslowI guess it depends where the rookie RB's end up. I have tried to figure in the decline of an aging Westy. I just can't come to a firm decision. Maybe I will trade down to 1.4 and take CJ2. I just don't know...

with the age of Westbrook, I would take the rook RB all day long in a standard scoring league especially.

If Mendenhall/Stewart land in a great situation they will be hard to pass up. Of course I am assuming DMAC goes at 1.1 in my draft. CJ2 is by far the best WR that was/will be dropped. I am hoping either Mendenhall or Stewart get drafted by Denver. I would take either in a heartbeat if that happens, as I feel they would get a crack the starting job.

... or Pitt or Detroit or Oakland or Seattle or Houston or Green Bay or Chicago or Cincinnati or Cleveland or ...

exactly. Either Mendenhall or Stewart landing in a good spot will be worth a whole lot more than Calvin. In a keeper or dynasty league, getting good young RBs in good situations is ideal.

With this setup, you are correct. You probably should have looked to see if you could have acquired Calvin in a trade before he was dropped. I would have kept him over Bowe and Jennings, but it depends on what it would have cost. I would think it wouldn't have cost much - he dropped him for nothing, right? But sometimes people don't understand that a mid level pick is good value for a guy they're going to drop.

It is hard for me to understand with 20man roster how CJ2 was dropped......even if you were to play in a keep 10 league......how is he not a keeper?

when he said you can only keep 2 per position, that answered the question for me but someone should have made a good offer for him.

 

[Warhogs]

A few thoughts from the initial post. I'm not sure I would agree with the need to keep 2 QBs when you cut down. I would probably be more inclined to say keep QB-RB-RB-WR-WR-WR and the next 2 BPA assuming you have decent starters at each spot. I'm not sure who you dropped to keep Bulger in your case but I would think many teams would keep only 1 QB and then keep their 3 starting WR giving them even more flexibility.

In your case the #2 pick becomes ever more difficult since you only have 2 WR. I think you need to project who would be going before your 2nd round pick to see if you think you can get a decent WR#3 at that pick. You may also be able to trade down a few spots to get something extra and then draft a WR. A lot may also depend on what your league is like as far as trading. I play in a local league where everyone gets together to draft each year but the trading after that is minimal. In that league I tend to draft my starting lineup earlier because it is so difficult to trade to adjust later.

 

[Yitbos69]

Thanx for the responses. Here is what it boils down to in a 20-roster league where we start 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1K, 1D league - do I take Calvin Jonson as my starting WR3 (who was dropped) or Rashard Mendenhall/Jonathan Stewart (my bench RB3) at 1.2? My roster is:QB - Carson Palmer and Marc BulgerRB - Adrian Peterson and Brian WestbrookWR - Reggie Wayne and either Greg Jennings or Dwayne BoweTE - Antonio Gates and Kellen WinslowI guess it depends where the rookie RB's end up. I have tried to figure in the decline of an aging Westy. I just can't come to a firm decision. Maybe I will trade down to 1.4 and take CJ2. I just don't know...

with the age of Westbrook, I would take the rook RB all day long in a standard scoring league especially.

If Mendenhall/Stewart land in a great situation they will be hard to pass up. Of course I am assuming DMAC goes at 1.1 in my draft. CJ2 is by far the best WR that was/will be dropped. I am hoping either Mendenhall or Stewart get drafted by Denver. I would take either in a heartbeat if that happens, as I feel they would get a crack the starting job.

... or Pitt or Detroit or Oakland or Seattle or Houston or Green Bay or Chicago or Cincinnati or Cleveland or ...

exactly. Either Mendenhall or Stewart landing in a good spot will be worth a whole lot more than Calvin. In a keeper or dynasty league, getting good young RBs in good situations is ideal.

With this setup, you are correct. You probably should have looked to see if you could have acquired Calvin in a trade before he was dropped. I would have kept him over Bowe and Jennings, but it depends on what it would have cost. I would think it wouldn't have cost much - he dropped him for nothing, right? But sometimes people don't understand that a mid level pick is good value for a guy they're going to drop.

It is hard for me to understand with 20man roster how CJ2 was dropped......even if you were to play in a keep 10 league......how is he not a keeper?

when he said you can only keep 2 per position, that answered the question for me but someone should have made a good offer for him.

I see that now...so it is a keep 8 league which makes more since to me........