First QB to be benched (1 Viewer)

[bweiser]

Who do you have? Most people expect Derek Anderson's reign in Arizona to be brief. Alex Smith is already being criticized by his coach. Trent Edwards sucks. Jake Delhomme sucks. Matt Moore was terrible Sunday.

At least 3 or 4 of these teams have young guys the fan bases are begging to see play.

Who loses their job first - and not because of injury?

 

[Joe Summer]

Cleveland and Buffalo don't have much in terms of backup QBs, so I would say that Delhomme and Edwards are secure for at least the first half of the season. Edwards has sucked for 3 years and yet Buffalo keeps rolling him out every single week. They love it.

Matt Moore will eventually give way to Clausen, but I think Carolina will give him at least 3-4 games to show what he's got. I feel the same about Derek Anderson although I think his job is more secure because A) he's better than Moore, and B) Max Hall is less of a threat (for the time being) than Clausen.

Therefore, I would vote for Alex Smith by default. If he keeps performing as badly as he did today, the 49ers will have no choice but to turn to the journeyman David Carr to see if he can revive the team's chances.

 

[SSOG]

Cleveland and Buffalo don't have much in terms of backup QBs, so I would say that Delhomme and Edwards are secure for at least the first half of the season. Edwards has sucked for 3 years and yet Buffalo keeps rolling him out every single week. They love it.

Matt Moore will eventually give way to Clausen, but I think Carolina will give him at least 3-4 games to show what he's got. I feel the same about Derek Anderson although I think his job is more secure because A) he's better than Moore, and B) Max Hall is less of a threat (for the time being) than Clausen.

Therefore, I would vote for Alex Smith by default. If he keeps performing as badly as he did today, the 49ers will have no choice but to turn to the journeyman David Carr to see if he can revive the team's chances.

I think Max Hall is a much more immediate threat than Clausen. The Whiz said that Hall was the best QB on the team during camps and preseason.

 

[cvnpoka]

Derek Anderson although I think his job is more secure because A) he's better than Moore

this sentiment is surprising to me. tho i live in cleveland so i either have more info, or am simply biased.

 

[bweiser]

Cleveland and Buffalo don't have much in terms of backup QBs, so I would say that Delhomme and Edwards are secure for at least the first half of the season. Edwards has sucked for 3 years and yet Buffalo keeps rolling him out every single week. They love it.

Matt Moore will eventually give way to Clausen, but I think Carolina will give him at least 3-4 games to show what he's got. I feel the same about Derek Anderson although I think his job is more secure because A) he's better than Moore, and B) Max Hall is less of a threat (for the time being) than Clausen.

Therefore, I would vote for Alex Smith by default. If he keeps performing as badly as he did today, the 49ers will have no choice but to turn to the journeyman David Carr to see if he can revive the team's chances.

They wouldn't turn to Nate Davis?

 

[SSOG]

Cleveland and Buffalo don't have much in terms of backup QBs, so I would say that Delhomme and Edwards are secure for at least the first half of the season. Edwards has sucked for 3 years and yet Buffalo keeps rolling him out every single week. They love it.

Matt Moore will eventually give way to Clausen, but I think Carolina will give him at least 3-4 games to show what he's got. I feel the same about Derek Anderson although I think his job is more secure because A) he's better than Moore, and B) Max Hall is less of a threat (for the time being) than Clausen.

Therefore, I would vote for Alex Smith by default. If he keeps performing as badly as he did today, the 49ers will have no choice but to turn to the journeyman David Carr to see if he can revive the team's chances.

They wouldn't turn to Nate Davis?

Davis is on the practice squad. David Carr is the QB2, and the recently signed Troy Smith is the QB3. Rumor I've heard is that Davis's learning disability has held him back, and his lack of work ethic has only compounded the problem.

 

[Joe Summer]

Cleveland and Buffalo don't have much in terms of backup QBs, so I would say that Delhomme and Edwards are secure for at least the first half of the season. Edwards has sucked for 3 years and yet Buffalo keeps rolling him out every single week. They love it.

Matt Moore will eventually give way to Clausen, but I think Carolina will give him at least 3-4 games to show what he's got. I feel the same about Derek Anderson although I think his job is more secure because A) he's better than Moore, and B) Max Hall is less of a threat (for the time being) than Clausen.

Therefore, I would vote for Alex Smith by default. If he keeps performing as badly as he did today, the 49ers will have no choice but to turn to the journeyman David Carr to see if he can revive the team's chances.

I think Max Hall is a much more immediate threat than Clausen. The Whiz said that Hall was the best QB on the team during camps and preseason.

Is there a source for that besides Peter King's hearsay? Not that I'm doubting it; I just couldn't find a direct quote from Whisenhunt.I know the Cardinals are high on Max Hall (high enough to cut Leinart), but I don't think he's an immediate threat to Anderson because he hasn't been "anointed" by the team (as Clausen has been anointed by Carolina). The pressure has been building in Carolina since April. But the pressure in Arizona didn't even start building until a few weeks ago. It'll take a while to catch up to the level of intensity in Carolina.

 

[SSOG]

Is there a source for that besides Peter King's hearsay? Not that I'm doubting it; I just couldn't find a direct quote from Whisenhunt.

I know the Cardinals are high on Max Hall (high enough to cut Leinart), but I don't think he's an immediate threat to Anderson because he hasn't been "anointed" by the team (as Clausen has been anointed by Carolina). The pressure has been building in Carolina since April. But the pressure in Arizona didn't even start building until a few weeks ago. It'll take a while to catch up to the level of intensity in Carolina.

I found this link, which leads off with the report where Peter King says that Whiz called Hall the best QB in camp. I don't know why that's hearsay, though- most of the time when a journalist has a conversation with someone and then shares or publishes parts of that conversation, it's called reporting (although I hesitate to call Peter King a "journalist"). Still, I don't get why you'd be skeptical of it- do you think there's a chance that Peter King was making it all up?Anyway, in the latter half of that article I linked it says "Whisenhunt acknowledged that Hall outplayed current starter Derek Anderson", although thanks to shoddy journalism, they never indicated when or where he acknowledged that. Are they still talking about his conversation with King, or did someone at PFT get independent verification from Whiz on the subject?

 

[snogger]

Who do you have? Most people expect Derek Anderson's reign in Arizona to be brief. Alex Smith is already being criticized by his coach. Trent Edwards sucks. Jake Delhomme sucks. Matt Moore was terrible Sunday. At least 3 or 4 of these teams have young guys the fan bases are begging to see play. Who loses their job first - and not because of injury?

Seeing how Kolb played before injury, I'm surprised you didn't add him.

 

[damageinc]

Did anyone see D Andersons passes. Wow. He almost threw it to the fans. he was off by 10+ yards on alot of throws and a good defense would have had 5 picks yesterday. I cant reconcile this guy with the one in clevland who threw 28 TD's . Hes so inaccurate that I cant see him even as a NFL backup.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Toss up between Anderson and Smith.

Anderson didn't necessarily win the job so much as Leinart kinda let it plop into his hands. Whiz has nothing invested in Anderson. But hey, the Cards are 1-0 right now. How many teams win and change QB's?

Smith, on the otherhand, lost. But I think Singletary still gives him a couple of games chance, though we might see one of those partial game benchings.

Moore was bad, but he can be protected with the running game and Fox is leery of playing rookies. And I was thinking the camp word was that Clausen wasn't all that impressive either. Speaking of which...WTF is Carolina's problem? Is Fox so stupid that he has to re-learn the same lesson every year? Williams and Stewart combine touches for something like 1/2 the number of pass attempts Moore got? Not only does Fox abandon the run, he poisons the well, kills the livestock and tosses a handgrenade over his shoulder on the way out the door. Freakin' idiot. And I'm a guy that believes coaches and front office types do know more than we do.

Delhomme actually hasn't looked too bad. I think he sticks for a while so long as his INT's don't get too high. I think Holmgren/Mangini like his game-manager qualities given the youth on the offense. Plus, expectations are pretty low to begin with. People expect Delhomme to suck, so it's not really all that dissappointing when he does.

Trent Edwards just doesn't have anybody behind him, or in front of him. And, like Delhomme, at this point you know what you are getting so how can he really dissappoint anymore than he already has?

Kolb should be on the list but he's Andy's guy. Unless Vicks suddenly finds week to week consistency with his throws while Kolb is out, something he always lacked, Kolb should get several games to prove his worth.

 

[solorca]

Matt Moore had a concussion yesterday and spent some time at the hospital prior to being allowed to fly home with the team. It's unlikely that he will start next week. Given Moore's performance in yesterday's game, which was at Jake Delhomme levels, Clausen will probably hold the job as long as he shows himself to be competent.

Prior to yesterday, I would have never expected to see Clausen this year...but Moore was horrendous. One of the worst QB performances I can recall in Panthers history. For what it's worth, I don't think Clausen is ready and I see the team in for a long season with or without him.

Regardless, with John Fox and Jeff Davidson in charge of the offense, there isn't going to be a successful Panthers QB.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I found this link, which leads off with the report where Peter King says that Whiz called Hall the best QB in camp. I don't know why that's hearsay, though- most of the time when a journalist has a conversation with someone and then shares or publishes parts of that conversation, it's called reporting (although I hesitate to call Peter King a "journalist").

It's not quite hearsay, but you should be skeptical when a journalist does not use quotation marks when relaying a conversation. It could be a sign that King misconstrued something that Whisenhunt said, or took something out of context. But it's not like Whisenhunt denied the report so I think it's pretty safe to say that Whiz does believe that Hall was his best QB in training camp, even if he isn't willing to say so in a press conference.Having said that, I don't think Hall will be taking over as long as the Cardinals keep winning and Anderson is healthy. And since they play in the worst division in the NFL, we might not see Hall until the very end of the season.

 

[Jason Wood]

If you mean benched while completely healthy, I would say even money on Delhomme and Edwards.

 

[lyon812]

I think people underestimate the length of QB leashes early in the season. I suspect that even if Moore can't play this week due to concussion, and Clausen comes in and does well, that Clausen'll be back on the bench when Moore is healthy.

 

[Phurfur]

Cleveland and Buffalo don't have much in terms of backup QBs, so I would say that Delhomme and Edwards are secure for at least the first half of the season. Edwards has sucked for 3 years and yet Buffalo keeps rolling him out every single week. They love it.

Matt Moore will eventually give way to Clausen, but I think Carolina will give him at least 3-4 games to show what he's got. I feel the same about Derek Anderson although I think his job is more secure because A) he's better than Moore, and B) Max Hall is less of a threat (for the time being) than Clausen.

Therefore, I would vote for Alex Smith by default. If he keeps performing as badly as he did today, the 49ers will have no choice but to turn to the journeyman David Carr to see if he can revive the team's chances.

I think Max Hall is a much more immediate threat than Clausen. The Whiz said that Hall was the best QB on the team during camps and preseason.

Is there a source for that besides Peter King's hearsay? Not that I'm doubting it; I just couldn't find a direct quote from Whisenhunt.I know the Cardinals are high on Max Hall (high enough to cut Leinart), but I don't think he's an immediate threat to Anderson because he hasn't been "anointed" by the team (as Clausen has been anointed by Carolina). The pressure has been building in Carolina since April. But the pressure in Arizona didn't even start building until a few weeks ago. It'll take a while to catch up to the level of intensity in Carolina.

Max Hall is from Mesa and spent 2 years at ASU. He is a local favorite and there will be pressure.

 

[damageinc]

At one point during the game ( After a pass missed by 20 yards ) Hall had his baseball cap off and his helmet on. Thats how close Anderson was do being benched.

Now on to Derek Anderson, whose ragged performance didn't exactly inspire civic trust. Some of his throws probably made you fling objects at the television, and I'm guessing your accuracy was better than his.

"I missed some chip shots," Anderson said. "It was like missing a 4-foot birdie (putt) on a few of them."

At one point, you could almost hear Larry Fitzgerald's body language screaming for Kurt Warner. You could feel the belief leaking out of the team like a punctured tire. You could hear Matt Leinart laughing all the way from Houston.

There was one particularly awful moment in the first half. Just before a third-down snap, Whisenhunt called a timeout. Apparently he didn't like what he saw and dialed up another play. It was sheer genius, a tweaking of Xs and Os that allowed Fitzgerald to burst free behind the secondary. Alas, Anderson threw an uncatchable pass that was all smoke and no touch. Fitzgerald ended up on his stomach, staring at the end zone in disbelief.

"He made some really good throws, and he made some throws that were not so good," Whisenhunt said, carefully selecting his words.

And then came Anderson's moment of redemption, a fourth-quarter drive that ended with a touchdown pass to Fitzgerald.

"We needed that drive more than I think anybody knew," Anderson said.

The implication: Anderson was that close to losing the confidence of his teammates on offense, that close to igniting yet another quarterback controversy in the Valley. Did anyone else notice Max Hall wearing his helmet on the sideline?

Yet as bad as Anderson was on the field, he was fully accountable after the game. He was disgusted with his inaccuracy, noting the film session of this game will probably make him sick to his stomach. Anderson also took a pounding from a Rams defense that blitzed him without apprehension, something teams never did with Warner.

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/...l#ixzz0zQnVWRwI

 

[MDPapi]

A couple more games like yesterday and DA is in deep trouble. Hall had helmet on. Fitz frustrated. Check out the Arizona Republic story below:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/...on-bickley.html

 

[TommyGilmore]

A couple more games like yesterday and DA is in deep trouble. Hall had helmet on. Fitz frustrated. Check out the Arizona Republic story below:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/...on-bickley.html

Oooooooooh, the rookie had his helmet on!! Look out everyone, the backup quarterback WAS WEARING HIS HELMET!!111.I will laugh if Arizona is 3-0 and Anderson has nearly 600 passing yards with 0 TDs, and they bench him for Hall.

 

[Card Trader]

A couple more games like yesterday and DA is in deep trouble. Hall had helmet on. Fitz frustrated. Check out the Arizona Republic story below:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/...on-bickley.html

Oooooooooh, the rookie had his helmet on!! Look out everyone, the backup quarterback WAS WEARING HIS HELMET!!111.I will laugh if Arizona is 3-0 and Anderson has nearly 600 passing yards with 0 TDs, and they bench him for Hall.

He has 300 through one game and 1 TD. He won't get benched if they win, but if he plays like he did this week against Atlanta next week the Cards lose by 20. He hit exactly one receiver in stride this game and that was Breaston (who turned it into a big gain). Even though Fitz was gimpy, there were times he was behind the coverage and Anderson missed him wildly. Also, the Rams dropped 2 easy INTs.

 

[SSOG]

If you mean benched while completely healthy, I would say even money on Delhomme and Edwards. :X

Who will Edwards be benched for? Fitzpatrick? Brohm? I just don't see it. I suppose Cleveland could bench Delhomme to see what they have in Colt, but I think the Browns are far less excited about McCoy than the Cards are about Hall.

 

[MDPapi]

A couple more games like yesterday and DA is in deep trouble. Hall had helmet on. Fitz frustrated. Check out the Arizona Republic story below:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/...on-bickley.html

Oooooooooh, the rookie had his helmet on!! Look out everyone, the backup quarterback WAS WEARING HIS HELMET!!111.I will laugh if Arizona is 3-0 and Anderson has nearly 600 passing yards with 0 TDs, and they bench him for Hall.

He won, against the Rams. Yes, the Rams. They have a rookie QB and their best WR is ?????????. DA looked terrible. His upcoming schedule is @ATL, OAK, @SD, NO, BYE. If he plays like he did yesterday, the Cardinals will be lucky to be 2-3 going into the bye week. I think DA has a decently long leash, but if he's as bad as he was Sunday, he's no better than a rookie. Once he's no better than a rookie ......

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

Cleveland and Buffalo don't have much in terms of backup QBs

Seneca Wallace has to be better than what Delhomme showed yesterday.

 

[Jason Wood]

If you mean benched while completely healthy, I would say even money on Delhomme and Edwards.

Who will Edwards be benched for? Fitzpatrick? Brohm? I just don't see it. I suppose Cleveland could bench Delhomme to see what they have in Colt, but I think the Browns are far less excited about McCoy than the Cards are about Hall.

I was thinking more along the lines of Seneca Wallace in Cleveland, and in Buffalo I agree Edwards shouldn't be looking over his shoulder, but he needs to play better because otherwise the temptation will be there to see if Fitzpatrick is the answer (which we know he's not).

 

[omally]

Matt Moore had a concussion yesterday and spent some time at the hospital prior to being allowed to fly home with the team. It's unlikely that he will start next week. Given Moore's performance in yesterday's game, which was at Jake Delhomme levels, Clausen will probably hold the job as long as he shows himself to be competent.

I can't see Fox not giving Moore more than once chance to succeed, regardless of how Clausen performs if Moore misses a game due to a concussion.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Seneca Wallace has to be better than what Delhomme showed yesterday.

I think Wallace will eventually get a shot in Cleveland. But I'm not sure if he's better than Delhomme. He's more of a "game manager" type -- which is fine when your team is good and you just need your QB to throw on 3rd down. But Cleveland can't afford to play conservative. They need a gunslinger who will take risks, even if those risks lead to a higher number of turnovers.

 

[smapdi]

Trent Edwards

He is the worst QB in the NFL right now. He has gotten even worse then the previous 2 seasons which is almost impressive; I really thought he couldn't get any worse

The Bills offense will be in a big heap of trouble untill he is out at QB. Defenses know that he has ZERO balls and will not throw the ball down the field at all. They just load up the box and shut it down.

I don't care how bad Fitz or Brohm are; they are not worse then Edwards. At least they will test the defense with a throw over 5 yards.

 

[bweiser]

For those who asked why I didn't include Kolb in my original post, it's because I'm from Philly and Andy Reid will not bench his guy - his ego won't let him.

 

[Vultan]

Trent EdwardsHe is the worst QB in the NFL right now. He has gotten even worse then the previous 2 seasons which is almost impressive; I really thought he couldn't get any worseThe Bills offense will be in a big heap of trouble untill he is out at QB. Defenses know that he has ZERO balls and will not throw the ball down the field at all. They just load up the box and shut it down. I don't care how bad Fitz or Brohm are; they are not worse then Edwards. At least they will test the defense with a throw over 5 yards.

We've seen Fitz. I'd like to see what Brohm can do.

 

[Todem]

Yeah Edwards is not even second string material at this point. He is that bad.

 

[SSOG]

If you mean benched while completely healthy, I would say even money on Delhomme and Edwards.

Who will Edwards be benched for? Fitzpatrick? Brohm? I just don't see it. I suppose Cleveland could bench Delhomme to see what they have in Colt, but I think the Browns are far less excited about McCoy than the Cards are about Hall.

I was thinking more along the lines of Seneca Wallace in Cleveland, and in Buffalo I agree Edwards shouldn't be looking over his shoulder, but he needs to play better because otherwise the temptation will be there to see if Fitzpatrick is the answer (which we know he's not).

I suppose I could see Seneca Wallace taking over at some point, but I don't think it'll be any time soon.I disagree that Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't the answer though. I think he's absolutely the answer... provided the question is "who is the worst quarterback on any team's 2-deep in the entire NFL?"

 

[OC Zed]

Trent EdwardsHe is the worst QB in the NFL right now. He has gotten even worse then the previous 2 seasons which is almost impressive; I really thought he couldn't get any worseThe Bills offense will be in a big heap of trouble untill he is out at QB. Defenses know that he has ZERO balls and will not throw the ball down the field at all. They just load up the box and shut it down. I don't care how bad Fitz or Brohm are; they are not worse then Edwards. At least they will test the defense with a throw over 5 yards.

We've seen Fitz. I'd like to see what Brohm can do.

Fitzpatrick can be wildly inaccurate and yet he makes Brohm look like a sharpshooter. The bottom line is that unless Edwards turns this around quickly, Jake Locker and Christian Ponder are now auditioning for the 2011 Buffalo Bills.