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Fitzgerald vs. Colston (1 Viewer)
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
If I'm drafting today?Fitz is it. Colston has knee questions and Shockey steals redzone looks.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Colston is in my top 3 this year. Most underrated top 10 WR in the league (if there is a such thing).
Fitz is nice and all, but. and I don't remember if this was true, but I remember him being more valuable with one QB (warner or leinart) than the other... don't quote me on that.
Shockey I think opens up Colston more for the red zone. Teams have to actually cover the TE, leaving the deep routes more open for Colston as well as the redzone
Knee questions? It swelled... no pain... was drained... and is okay. He returned to practice... won't miss any time. My knees swell when I start a crazy work out all of a sudden, or when I go to decent work out to crazy intense work out. It's called going through the first few days of training camp. The guy had a bum back for half the season last year and still finished top 10 among WRs...
Fitz is nice and all, but. and I don't remember if this was true, but I remember him being more valuable with one QB (warner or leinart) than the other... don't quote me on that.
Shockey I think opens up Colston more for the red zone. Teams have to actually cover the TE, leaving the deep routes more open for Colston as well as the redzone
Knee questions? It swelled... no pain... was drained... and is okay. He returned to practice... won't miss any time. My knees swell when I start a crazy work out all of a sudden, or when I go to decent work out to crazy intense work out. It's called going through the first few days of training camp. The guy had a bum back for half the season last year and still finished top 10 among WRs...
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Sweetness_34
Footballguy
I would look at schedules, especially in redraft leagues.
I like the Saints facing the Falcons and Panthers twice. Falcons will have no DBs that can cover Colston with their #1 CB now in Oakland.
But I also like Fitz facing Sea and Rams twice.
So it is a tough call.
I like the Saints facing the Falcons and Panthers twice. Falcons will have no DBs that can cover Colston with their #1 CB now in Oakland.
But I also like Fitz facing Sea and Rams twice.
So it is a tough call.
What's the rest of your top ten look like? My current rankings (non ppr):Tier 1:1. Moss2. Owens3. WayneTier 2:4: Edwards5: Colston 6: FitzgeraldTier 3:7. Chad Johnson8. Andre JohnsonTier 4:9. Boldin10. SmithTiers 3 and 4 will offer similar production, but the Johnsons have more question marks than the receivers ranked ahead of them. I feel that there is a pretty big dropoff after the top 8.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Top 3 is pretty high. He's finished 13th and 8th at Wr in his first two years.......very good but still, to say he's top 3 is a little much. Who out of Terell Owens, Randy Moss and Reggie Wayne do you have him ranked over?I see Colston being drafted around WR5, and too me as much as I like him, that's a little too high. I think at best he finishes that high. I probably won't have him on any teams because he's just going too high for my liking. After Reggie Wayne in non PPR leagues, I don't like drafting a WR in the 2nd round.In PPR leagues, I'd put Fitz up in the mid to late 2nd round category.The one receiver I'm really having a hard time with is Steve Smith. He could be a top 5 guy but for some reason I can't find myself pulling the trigger on this guy.
Fitzgerald because he played at Pitt and I have a replica of his college jersey. Anything else is nitpicking between these two. I have a projected point differential in favor of Fitz of .8.
Cass Durham
Footballguy
In my PPR WR rankings, I have Fitzgerald locked in at #4 and Colston loosely at #7 with 16 points separating the two.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
If leinart is the main QB at Arz this year I dont think Fitz is going to live up to expectations.
Colston to me is the better play.
Colston to me is the better play.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
difference is, Colston is in his 3rd season, the 'breakout ' year for WR's..if that happens with Colston, l-o-o-k-o-u-t!this guy has been a stud since day one in the NFL..
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
what is the knee questions people are talking about with Colston? Fitz has had more injury issues than Colston has
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
He had arthro on his knee in February and at practice the other day he had some swelling.
Dancing Bear
Footballguy
Fitz averaged 13.6 ppg with Warner in 2007
Fitz averaged 3.6 ppg with Leinart in 2007
That's a 10.0 ppg difference.
If Leinart is QB for Arizona then Fitz will not make the Top 20 in WR.
Leinart has not show he can play QB in the NFL and he has not taken any snaps in live action since his injury; no reason to believe he has improved at all in his decision making ability. If Whisenhunt and Co. refuse to play the better QB [Warner], then Colston is by far the better WR on the board between the two ...
Fitz averaged 3.6 ppg with Leinart in 2007
That's a 10.0 ppg difference.
If Leinart is QB for Arizona then Fitz will not make the Top 20 in WR.
Leinart has not show he can play QB in the NFL and he has not taken any snaps in live action since his injury; no reason to believe he has improved at all in his decision making ability. If Whisenhunt and Co. refuse to play the better QB [Warner], then Colston is by far the better WR on the board between the two ...
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think Fitz was ok in 2006 with Matt at QB, but I think that Whisenhunt and CO messed with his mind and mechanics some. I agree with you that Colston is the better playDancing Bear said:
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This is what mitigated Fitz a little bit with me. I think Warner winds up starting 11 or 12 games out there....but the first 5 or 6 are probably going to be Matt's swan song. Those first few games for Fitz could be pretty ugly, given where he's getting drafted. I'm not willing to think he's going to average 4 points per, buuuut......I'm worried enough I'd probably take Colston over him as of today.I think Fitz winds up doing just fine by season's end after Warner gets in there though.Dancing Bear said:
Chairshot
Footballguy
I think Colston is going to disappoint a lot of people this year.
Almost all of Colston's TDs last year came in the red zone. Most of his career TDs have come in the red zone.
The Saints just added an excellent red zone threat in Jeremy Shockey and it stands to reason that the will use that red zone threat.
My guess is that we see about the same number of catches and yards from Colston but a pretty good dip in his TDs. Which would not make him a top 10 WR.
I'd take Fitz all the way.
Almost all of Colston's TDs last year came in the red zone. Most of his career TDs have come in the red zone.
The Saints just added an excellent red zone threat in Jeremy Shockey and it stands to reason that the will use that red zone threat.
My guess is that we see about the same number of catches and yards from Colston but a pretty good dip in his TDs. Which would not make him a top 10 WR.
I'd take Fitz all the way.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
TD's in general are rather un-predictable.But I know this about Drew Brees he is a QB of habit, he like Colston in the red zone and all over the field this is not going to change. Shockey is going to get his share of targets/catches and yards. I think having both the field will have D's wondering who to double and how to cover them not to mention Bush out of the backfield. Fitz/Colston is an excellent debate as who to take at WR4 or WR5 overall. In the end the difference in stats might not be that big.But I think Warner needs to be in there for Fitz to live up to the billing
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
This is exactly what I've been dreaming on.....except in mine I also have rostered Warner as my QB3.
Routilla
Footballguy
I will be grabbing Warner as a #3QB as well, unless something moves on the Favre front before our draft.This is exactly what I've been dreaming on.....except in mine I also have rostered Warner as my QB3.
Chairshot
Footballguy
Totally agree that TDs are hard to predict. However, in this case, we have a player in Colston that is catching only one type of TD, almost exclusively. Almost all of his career TDs have been red zone TDs. So, while I definitely agree that we don't know how many he will get, I do think we have a clear trend of the *type* of TD that he will most likely get.The RZ passing targets for NO over the past 2 years have overwhelmingly gone to Colston. That seems likely to change with Shockey showing up. If RZ targets go down, then it seems reasonable to say that RZ TDs will likely go down. And since a very large chunk of Colston's value has been in RZ TDs....TDs are very hard to predict. But we do have some clear red flags for Colston regarding TDs, in this particular case.
mozzy84
Footballguy
if this happens and the guy with fitz watched football last year I would think a trade in this scenario is going to be tough.
Routilla
Footballguy
That depends on his record at the time and what player is offered.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I play in a ppr league, soTier 11. Moss- I don't think he'll be the #1 WR this year, but no one else jumps out for #1 as much as Moss2. Wayne- I think he can overtake as the #1 overall WR this yearTier 23. Colston- He has improved every season. In ppr leagues he is as good as it can get- he scored only 20 less than Wayne (ranked 2nd) last year in ppr4. Andre Johnson- Unbelievable in his healthy games. Top 5 this year without a doubt5. Owens- 81 receptions in a ppr league isn't that fantastic. He was streaky last season, especially towards the end of the year. Last time he had over 85 receptions was in 2002 with the 49ers... 6 years ago6. Edwards- hard to repeat that many TDs. Statistical wise, he's equal to OwensTier 37. Chad Johnson- rebound year for sure8. Tory Holt- Yeah remember this guy? Since 2002 he's been good for around 90/1200 and of the last 5 years, last year was his lowest TD total. 9. Fitzgerald- See my negatives about Boldin below, which is why he is so low for me, but this guy does get TDs. Just depends who is throwing the ballTier 410. Santonio Holmes. call it 3rd year WR rule, call it gutsy, call it crazy. I think this is the year he busts out. He's already a TD threat with 8 last season, and he would have had 1000+ yards had he played in all 16 games. This is the year he vaults into the top 10. Amazing #2 WR, because I think no one will draft him as their #1. either him or Jennings at this spot, as both are almost clones of each other statistically and size/speed wiseTier 5Honorable Mentions:Steve Smith- everyone ranks him top 10 regardless of the fact that the last 2 years he's put up more like 10-15 ranked stats. His 2005 season was more of a fluke when you look at his career stats- 3 years with numbers around 80/1050/8. I'd say that's more like Steve Smith. He's a border line #1, probably should be ranked 9th or 10th (ahead of Holmes), but I wanted to get my point across that Holmes is high on my board. Anquan Boldin- I just don't like playing the game of chance. Drafting an AZ WR is like drafting a Denver RB- you know one of them will have an incredible day, but you don't know who. Sorry, not for me. Boldin's contract dispute and QB uncertainties in AZ put him out of the top 10 for me.TJ Who'syourdaddy- I think CJ re-takes the role as #1 Wr in that offense. Last year TJ proved he should be considered a legitmate #1 fantasy WR, but I'm still not sold with CJ lining up opposite side. I guess I just don't like drafting #2 WRs on a team's depth chart. He could stay in top 10 this yearGreg Jennings- This is his 3rd year in GB. His stats mirrored Holmes' last year in also 13 games, but he scored 12 TDs. Favre is no longer there, but the WRs are raving about how much better of a deep ball Rodgers has. He could vault into top 10 this year alsoRJS113 said:
In a PPR league the only thing keeping Owens ranked 3rd was his TDs. 15 TDs is hard to repeat. Move him down to 12 TDs and he's all of a sudden he did 1 point better than Chad Johnson and 6 points better than Colston. All I'm saying is that it's possible. Unless Owens can get 90+ receptions, his value in PPR leagues is lower than top 3. Important to note- the last time Owens had 90+ receptions was when he had 100 in San Fran in 2002- 6 years ago...Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
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Jersey35
Footballguy
So draft Colston and buy low on Fitz.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
colston because fitz can't do this
seriously though, fitz is the better play imo. many of you mention shockey as the concern, but he just adds to a number of players who took away a lot from colston last year. IIRC there were many many players who had many many more targets and reception than colston week to week in the early goings. i remember wondering why henderson and moore has more receptions and yards than colston on too many occasions. don't forget that guy coming out of the backfield either, i should check the stats before posting this but Reggie probably had the most targets. new orleans offense seem to be very content and was fairly successful spreading it out. i don't see why they would do anything different with shockey in the mix.
not to say that he won't get his share, he obviously is the top receiver on that team, but as a top 10 elite i'd take fitz.
holy crap the building is shaking like ####, an earthquake rocking LA right now...
seriously though, fitz is the better play imo. many of you mention shockey as the concern, but he just adds to a number of players who took away a lot from colston last year. IIRC there were many many players who had many many more targets and reception than colston week to week in the early goings. i remember wondering why henderson and moore has more receptions and yards than colston on too many occasions. don't forget that guy coming out of the backfield either, i should check the stats before posting this but Reggie probably had the most targets. new orleans offense seem to be very content and was fairly successful spreading it out. i don't see why they would do anything different with shockey in the mix.
not to say that he won't get his share, he obviously is the top receiver on that team, but as a top 10 elite i'd take fitz.
holy crap the building is shaking like ####, an earthquake rocking LA right now...
NO's had a record breaking year as far as pass attempts go last year. I HIGHLY doubt they will match that. I think a drop of 10-20% in pass attempts is likely.
Add to that more competition for receptions with Shockey on board and i don't see how anyone is projecting Colston to have more opportunity then he had last season. His targets will likely decrease by about 15%.
All of that plus my belief that Fitz is just a flat out better WR would make me side with Fitz.
I like Colston, but think he's more of a 5-15th ranked WR without the potential to end up in the top 5. Fitz has already been in the top 5 twice.
Add to that more competition for receptions with Shockey on board and i don't see how anyone is projecting Colston to have more opportunity then he had last season. His targets will likely decrease by about 15%.
All of that plus my belief that Fitz is just a flat out better WR would make me side with Fitz.
I like Colston, but think he's more of a 5-15th ranked WR without the potential to end up in the top 5. Fitz has already been in the top 5 twice.
Chaka
Footballguy
Not necessarily. Shockey could score 9 TDs and Colston could still see an uptick in his TDs because Brees could throw about 10 more TDs this season.This offense is looking scary good this year and they look to have a favorable schedule.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
I am curious if most people's tiers are this narrowly defined? I have the same 1st tier, but then 7 guys in my 2nd tier. I would prefer your 2nd over 3rd tier guys, but at the end of the day I don't think there's enough separation where I'd take a RB or QB over the Johnsons but not Fitzgerald.
The Gatekeeper
Footballguy
This poster is correct. Leinart looks to Boldin first and Fitz second.
