Flashing - yay or nay? (1 Viewer)

[Apple Jack]

There is no justification or non-justification. Just what is. I can't stop those people from driving how they drive. I can just do my part as a defensive driver to keep the road safer. Passing on the right is more dangerous for everybody within crashing distance than passing on the left. Somebody weaving in and out of traffic is more dangerous than that person cruising in the left lane. We are not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. So for the good of everybody, just get out of the way and let him go. It's common sense. Also, there are signs that say slower traffic keep right. When somebody is going faster than you, you are the slower traffic.

And that's reasonable! That's pretty much what I've been trying to get someone to say all along. I agree with you - we're not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. Driving defensively is the way to go. What kills me is that everyone - almost literally everyone - in these conversations has been #####ing at me because I'm daring to say that the person speeding and weaving is also wrong. And they are in control of their vehicle, not any other driver.

Driving defensively is sensible.

I think you might have misinterpreted who I mean by "that person." I'm saying the one doing the weaving is more dangerous if he's weaving than if he has the left lane available. I'm not comparing him to the left lane blocker. That's irrelevant. Just looking at the scenario from objective flow and safety points of view.

 

[danielmclark]

There is no justification or non-justification. Just what is. I can't stop those people from driving how they drive. I can just do my part as a defensive driver to keep the road safer. Passing on the right is more dangerous for everybody within crashing distance than passing on the left. Somebody weaving in and out of traffic is more dangerous than that person cruising in the left lane. We are not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. So for the good of everybody, just get out of the way and let him go. It's common sense. Also, there are signs that say slower traffic keep right. When somebody is going faster than you, you are the slower traffic.

And that's reasonable! That's pretty much what I've been trying to get someone to say all along. I agree with you - we're not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. Driving defensively is the way to go. What kills me is that everyone - almost literally everyone - in these conversations has been #####ing at me because I'm daring to say that the person speeding and weaving is also wrong. And they are in control of their vehicle, not any other driver.

Driving defensively is sensible.

I think you might have misinterpreted who I mean by "that person." I'm saying the one doing the weaving is more dangerous if he's weaving than if he has the left lane available. I'm not comparing him to the left lane blocker. That's irrelevant. Just looking at the scenario from objective flow and safety points of view.

I'm not looking for a comparison between the two. I'm looking for people to admit that the speeders and weavers are also driving irresponsibly and illegally. That they are doing it because the left lane is "blocked" is irrelevant.

 

[Fat Nick]

There is no justification or non-justification. Just what is. I can't stop those people from driving how they drive. I can just do my part as a defensive driver to keep the road safer. Passing on the right is more dangerous for everybody within crashing distance than passing on the left. Somebody weaving in and out of traffic is more dangerous than that person cruising in the left lane. We are not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. So for the good of everybody, just get out of the way and let him go. It's common sense. Also, there are signs that say slower traffic keep right. When somebody is going faster than you, you are the slower traffic.

And that's reasonable! That's pretty much what I've been trying to get someone to say all along. I agree with you - we're not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. Driving defensively is the way to go. What kills me is that everyone - almost literally everyone - in these conversations has been #####ing at me because I'm daring to say that the person speeding and weaving is also wrong. And they are in control of their vehicle, not any other driver.

Driving defensively is sensible.

I think one point that's being overlooked here is that if people drove right and passed left more often, there would be no incentive for people in a hurry to pass on the right or weave in and out of traffic. Weaving is only faster if the left lane is blocked. By definition, if a person is weaving, they are weaving in open space that should be occupied by the person who was going slower in the left lane but is now getting passed.

Not saying that weaving is somehow OK, but I think driving in the left lane and not yielding promotes weaving.

 

[Apple Jack]

I'll say this..... If you do end up passing on the right..... and the person driving the car is looking down at the cell phone or f'ing around with the kid in the back seat or other some-such nonsense you should legally be able to drive them off the road into the guardrail.

I was behind a lady today about 10 cars deep at a light. Everybody goes on green and she's still sitting there. I do my polite blip-tap of the horn. Nothing. Another couple beats and finally I give her both barrels. She starts up and I can see she's fumbling with something then crosses over into the lane to her left and then the lane to her right. I punch it to get around her and see that she has a phone in her hand that she's still trying to look at. Probably a map. Old ladies using smart phones while driving - what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Apple Jack]

There is no justification or non-justification. Just what is. I can't stop those people from driving how they drive. I can just do my part as a defensive driver to keep the road safer. Passing on the right is more dangerous for everybody within crashing distance than passing on the left. Somebody weaving in and out of traffic is more dangerous than that person cruising in the left lane. We are not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. So for the good of everybody, just get out of the way and let him go. It's common sense. Also, there are signs that say slower traffic keep right. When somebody is going faster than you, you are the slower traffic.

And that's reasonable! That's pretty much what I've been trying to get someone to say all along. I agree with you - we're not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. Driving defensively is the way to go. What kills me is that everyone - almost literally everyone - in these conversations has been #####ing at me because I'm daring to say that the person speeding and weaving is also wrong. And they are in control of their vehicle, not any other driver.

Driving defensively is sensible.

I think one point that's being overlooked here is that if people drove right and passed left more often, there would be no incentive for people in a hurry to pass on the right or weave in and out of traffic. Weaving is only faster if the left lane is blocked. By definition, if a person is weaving, they are weaving in open space that should be occupied by the person who was going slower in the left lane but is now getting passed.

Not saying that weaving is somehow OK, but I think driving in the left lane and not yielding promotes weaving.

That's been my point all along. He's not having it.

 

[danielmclark]

I'll say this..... If you do end up passing on the right..... and the person driving the car is looking down at the cell phone or f'ing around with the kid in the back seat or other some-such nonsense you should legally be able to drive them off the road into the guardrail.

I was behind a lady today about 10 cars deep at a light. Everybody goes on green and she's still sitting there. I do my polite blip-tap of the horn. Nothing. Another couple beats and finally I give her both barrels. She starts up and I can see she's fumbling with something then crosses over into the lane to her left and then the lane to her right. I punch it to get around her and see that she has a phone in her hand that she's still trying to look at. Probably a map. Old ladies using smart phones while driving - what could possibly go wrong?

Provided I had time to do so, I would have called the cops on her. That's horrendous.

 

[danielmclark]

There is no justification or non-justification. Just what is. I can't stop those people from driving how they drive. I can just do my part as a defensive driver to keep the road safer. Passing on the right is more dangerous for everybody within crashing distance than passing on the left. Somebody weaving in and out of traffic is more dangerous than that person cruising in the left lane. We are not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. So for the good of everybody, just get out of the way and let him go. It's common sense. Also, there are signs that say slower traffic keep right. When somebody is going faster than you, you are the slower traffic.

And that's reasonable! That's pretty much what I've been trying to get someone to say all along. I agree with you - we're not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. Driving defensively is the way to go. What kills me is that everyone - almost literally everyone - in these conversations has been #####ing at me because I'm daring to say that the person speeding and weaving is also wrong. And they are in control of their vehicle, not any other driver.

Driving defensively is sensible.

I think one point that's being overlooked here is that if people drove right and passed left more often, there would be no incentive for people in a hurry to pass on the right or weave in and out of traffic. Weaving is only faster if the left lane is blocked. By definition, if a person is weaving, they are weaving in open space that should be occupied by the person who was going slower in the left lane but is now getting passed.

Not saying that weaving is somehow OK, but I think driving in the left lane and not yielding promotes weaving.

I've reminded him of this multiple times and he's not having it.

Because it's not true. Here in Houston I can be passing on the left doing 70 and a weaver will come up behind at 90, weave two lanes over then back, and keep going. It happens daily. However fast you're going, passing or otherwise, there is always someone faster coming up from behind. And completely clearing the left lane is literally impossible. In light traffic? Yes. In anything more than moderate traffic (which is the norm most of the time)? No. Can't be done. Not here.

 

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Because it's not true. Here in Houston I can be passing on the left doing 70 and a weaver will come up behind at 90, weave two lanes over then back, and keep going. It happens daily. However fast you're going, passing or otherwise, there is always someone faster coming up from behind. And completely clearing the left lane is literally impossible. In light traffic? Yes. In anything more than moderate traffic (which is the norm most of the time)? No. Can't be done. Not here.

And therein lies the rub. If you're actually passing, then you have every right to the lane. If you're NOT passing, and you CAN get over to the right to let someone else through, you need to. Why? Because it's the PASSING lane. Refusing to do so under some misguided sense of civil-policing is a #### move.... regardless of whether you admit it or not. It will eventually get you run over or run off the road.

 

[Fat Nick]

There is no justification or non-justification. Just what is. I can't stop those people from driving how they drive. I can just do my part as a defensive driver to keep the road safer. Passing on the right is more dangerous for everybody within crashing distance than passing on the left. Somebody weaving in and out of traffic is more dangerous than that person cruising in the left lane. We are not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. So for the good of everybody, just get out of the way and let him go. It's common sense. Also, there are signs that say slower traffic keep right. When somebody is going faster than you, you are the slower traffic.

And that's reasonable! That's pretty much what I've been trying to get someone to say all along. I agree with you - we're not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. Driving defensively is the way to go. What kills me is that everyone - almost literally everyone - in these conversations has been #####ing at me because I'm daring to say that the person speeding and weaving is also wrong. And they are in control of their vehicle, not any other driver.

Driving defensively is sensible.

I think one point that's being overlooked here is that if people drove right and passed left more often, there would be no incentive for people in a hurry to pass on the right or weave in and out of traffic. Weaving is only faster if the left lane is blocked. By definition, if a person is weaving, they are weaving in open space that should be occupied by the person who was going slower in the left lane but is now getting passed.

Not saying that weaving is somehow OK, but I think driving in the left lane and not yielding promotes weaving.

I've reminded him of this multiple times and he's not having it.

Because it's not true. Here in Houston I can be passing on the left doing 70 and a weaver will come up behind at 90, weave two lanes over then back, and keep going. It happens daily. However fast you're going, passing or otherwise, there is always someone faster coming up from behind. And completely clearing the left lane is literally impossible. In light traffic? Yes. In anything more than moderate traffic (which is the norm most of the time)? No. Can't be done. Not here.

You're delusional if you think that clogged left lanes and weaving aren't cause-effect.

How does the weaver weave over 2 lanes and then back if there are cars to the right of you that keep you from clearing the left lane? If someone can weave and pass on the right, you have room to move over.

 

[danielmclark]

There is no justification or non-justification. Just what is. I can't stop those people from driving how they drive. I can just do my part as a defensive driver to keep the road safer. Passing on the right is more dangerous for everybody within crashing distance than passing on the left. Somebody weaving in and out of traffic is more dangerous than that person cruising in the left lane. We are not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. So for the good of everybody, just get out of the way and let him go. It's common sense. Also, there are signs that say slower traffic keep right. When somebody is going faster than you, you are the slower traffic.

And that's reasonable! That's pretty much what I've been trying to get someone to say all along. I agree with you - we're not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. Driving defensively is the way to go. What kills me is that everyone - almost literally everyone - in these conversations has been #####ing at me because I'm daring to say that the person speeding and weaving is also wrong. And they are in control of their vehicle, not any other driver.

Driving defensively is sensible.

I think one point that's being overlooked here is that if people drove right and passed left more often, there would be no incentive for people in a hurry to pass on the right or weave in and out of traffic. Weaving is only faster if the left lane is blocked. By definition, if a person is weaving, they are weaving in open space that should be occupied by the person who was going slower in the left lane but is now getting passed.

Not saying that weaving is somehow OK, but I think driving in the left lane and not yielding promotes weaving.

I've reminded him of this multiple times and he's not having it.

Because it's not true. Here in Houston I can be passing on the left doing 70 and a weaver will come up behind at 90, weave two lanes over then back, and keep going. It happens daily. However fast you're going, passing or otherwise, there is always someone faster coming up from behind. And completely clearing the left lane is literally impossible. In light traffic? Yes. In anything more than moderate traffic (which is the norm most of the time)? No. Can't be done. Not here.

You're delusional if you think that clogged left lanes and weaving aren't cause-effect.

How does the weaver weave over 2 lanes and then back if there are cars to the right of you that keep you from clearing the left lane? If someone can weave and pass on the right, you have room to move over.

Because of the speed differential. Have you not spent much time on highways?

 

[danielmclark]

Because it's not true. Here in Houston I can be passing on the left doing 70 and a weaver will come up behind at 90, weave two lanes over then back, and keep going. It happens daily. However fast you're going, passing or otherwise, there is always someone faster coming up from behind. And completely clearing the left lane is literally impossible. In light traffic? Yes. In anything more than moderate traffic (which is the norm most of the time)? No. Can't be done. Not here.

And therein lies the rub. If you're actually passing, then you have every right to the lane. If you're NOT passing, and you CAN get over to the right to let someone else through, you need to. Why? Because it's the PASSING lane. Refusing to do so under some misguided sense of civil-policing is a #### move.... regardless of whether you admit it or not. It will eventually get you run over or run off the road.

You keep coming back to the notion that I'm camping in the left lane in an effort to police people. I never said I do that. I don't do that. I haven't even ####### implied that I do that. And in 23 years of driving, I haven't gotten run off yet, thanks. Though I have witnessed a weaver slam into someone at 90 because he couldn't be bothered to obey the speed limit. So there's that.

 

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I signed no social contract. If you did, that's on you. You, like so many others, are arguing in favor of breaking the law one way and acting all aghast at someone who's breaking it another.

I move over when I can. If it's not fast enough for someone, #### 'em. Not my problem. Drive the speed limit or don't act like you're not doing anything wrong.

 

[danielmclark]

And? Where does it say I camp the left lane? I move over when I can. Period. If I'm passing someone and someone comes up behind doing 90, I move over when I can. If traffic conditions mean I have to stay in the left lane a bit longer, I will. For example - if I'm passing Car A, and Car B is 50 yards ahead and I'm going to want to pass him, too? I'll stay in the left to pass them both rather than move right after Car A then move back left for Car B a moment later. That only makes sense. And yeah, the guy doing 90 that had to slow down to match me? #### 'em. Not my problem. It's on him if he chooses to duck into that rapidly closing 50 yard gap to zip around me.

 

[Fat Nick]

There is no justification or non-justification. Just what is. I can't stop those people from driving how they drive. I can just do my part as a defensive driver to keep the road safer. Passing on the right is more dangerous for everybody within crashing distance than passing on the left. Somebody weaving in and out of traffic is more dangerous than that person cruising in the left lane. We are not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. So for the good of everybody, just get out of the way and let him go. It's common sense. Also, there are signs that say slower traffic keep right. When somebody is going faster than you, you are the slower traffic.

And that's reasonable! That's pretty much what I've been trying to get someone to say all along. I agree with you - we're not going to stop this person from driving how they drive. Driving defensively is the way to go. What kills me is that everyone - almost literally everyone - in these conversations has been #####ing at me because I'm daring to say that the person speeding and weaving is also wrong. And they are in control of their vehicle, not any other driver.

Driving defensively is sensible.

I think one point that's being overlooked here is that if people drove right and passed left more often, there would be no incentive for people in a hurry to pass on the right or weave in and out of traffic. Weaving is only faster if the left lane is blocked. By definition, if a person is weaving, they are weaving in open space that should be occupied by the person who was going slower in the left lane but is now getting passed.

Not saying that weaving is somehow OK, but I think driving in the left lane and not yielding promotes weaving.

I've reminded him of this multiple times and he's not having it.

Because it's not true. Here in Houston I can be passing on the left doing 70 and a weaver will come up behind at 90, weave two lanes over then back, and keep going. It happens daily. However fast you're going, passing or otherwise, there is always someone faster coming up from behind. And completely clearing the left lane is literally impossible. In light traffic? Yes. In anything more than moderate traffic (which is the norm most of the time)? No. Can't be done. Not here.

You're delusional if you think that clogged left lanes and weaving aren't cause-effect.

How does the weaver weave over 2 lanes and then back if there are cars to the right of you that keep you from clearing the left lane? If someone can weave and pass on the right, you have room to move over.

Because of the speed differential. Have you not spent much time on highways?

What a vague concept. Speed differential. Explain how a car going FASTER than you are can fit into a spot that you can't fit into...while you are going SLOWER...typically, it's harder to move into a space when you are going faster than the cars around you....you are going faster than the cars around you, right?

I don't think how much time I spend on the highway has much to do with the basic physics of driving, but for what it's worth, I drive an hour each way in Jersey interstate traffic.

 

[Fat Nick]

And? Where does it say I camp the left lane? I move over when I can. Period. If I'm passing someone and someone comes up behind doing 90, I move over when I can. If traffic conditions mean I have to stay in the left lane a bit longer, I will. For example - if I'm passing Car A, and Car B is 50 yards ahead and I'm going to want to pass him, too? I'll stay in the left to pass them both rather than move right after Car A then move back left for Car B a moment later. That only makes sense. And yeah, the guy doing 90 that had to slow down to match me? #### 'em. Not my problem. It's on him if he chooses to duck into that rapidly closing 50 yard gap to zip around me.

Wouldn't it be safer if you moved right after you cleared Car A, and then the guy behind you could pass properly, then you could pull back out and pass Car B? If the passing car had the clearance to do it without slowing down at his pace (faster than yours), then you would have plenty of time to let him by as well without slowing down (due to your slower relative speed, and thus slower closing distance on car B)

 

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Because of the speed differential. Have you not spent much time on highways?

What a vague concept. Speed differential. Explain how a car going FASTER than you are can fit into a spot that you can't fit into...while you are going SLOWER...typically, it's harder to move into a space when you are going faster than the cars around you....you are going faster than the cars around you, right?

wned:

 

[danielmclark]

And? Where does it say I camp the left lane? I move over when I can. Period. If I'm passing someone and someone comes up behind doing 90, I move over when I can. If traffic conditions mean I have to stay in the left lane a bit longer, I will. For example - if I'm passing Car A, and Car B is 50 yards ahead and I'm going to want to pass him, too? I'll stay in the left to pass them both rather than move right after Car A then move back left for Car B a moment later. That only makes sense. And yeah, the guy doing 90 that had to slow down to match me? #### 'em. Not my problem. It's on him if he chooses to duck into that rapidly closing 50 yard gap to zip around me.

Wouldn't it be safer if you moved right after you cleared Car A, and then the guy behind you could pass properly, then you could pull back out and pass Car B? If the passing car had the clearance to do it without slowing down at his pace (faster than yours), then you would have plenty of time to let him by as well without slowing down (due to your slower relative speed, and thus slower closing distance on car B)

Not necessarily, no. Changing lanes always introduces risk. Why should I duck over to the right for a moment to let that guy fly down the road? And I didn't say he wouldn't have to slow down. With a gap of 50 yards like in my example, there's enough room for him to tailgate me, jam over (cutting off Car A), gun it til he's past me, and then jam back over (cutting me off). It's not a rare situation. It's happened to me, it's happened to countless drivers that I've observed, and I guarantee it's happened to you too, at some point.

 

[danielmclark]

Because of the speed differential. Have you not spent much time on highways?

What a vague concept. Speed differential. Explain how a car going FASTER than you are can fit into a spot that you can't fit into...while you are going SLOWER...typically, it's harder to move into a space when you are going faster than the cars around you....you are going faster than the cars around you, right?

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It's amusing that you think so.

 

[Fat Nick]

And? Where does it say I camp the left lane? I move over when I can. Period. If I'm passing someone and someone comes up behind doing 90, I move over when I can. If traffic conditions mean I have to stay in the left lane a bit longer, I will. For example - if I'm passing Car A, and Car B is 50 yards ahead and I'm going to want to pass him, too? I'll stay in the left to pass them both rather than move right after Car A then move back left for Car B a moment later. That only makes sense. And yeah, the guy doing 90 that had to slow down to match me? #### 'em. Not my problem. It's on him if he chooses to duck into that rapidly closing 50 yard gap to zip around me.

Wouldn't it be safer if you moved right after you cleared Car A, and then the guy behind you could pass properly, then you could pull back out and pass Car B? If the passing car had the clearance to do it without slowing down at his pace (faster than yours), then you would have plenty of time to let him by as well without slowing down (due to your slower relative speed, and thus slower closing distance on car B)

Not necessarily, no. Changing lanes always introduces risk. Why should I duck over to the right for a moment to let that guy fly down the road? And I didn't say he wouldn't have to slow down. With a gap of 50 yards like in my example, there's enough room for him to tailgate me, jam over (cutting off Car A), gun it til he's past me, and then jam back over (cutting me off). It's not a rare situation. It's happened to me, it's happened to countless drivers that I've observed, and I guarantee it's happened to you too, at some point.

Do you acknowledge that the passing car can clear Car A after you did, cut over, exceed your speed, pass you, clear you, and cut back over prior to rear-ending Car B? That's what you said happens to you all the time, right?

If so, you're acknowledging that you could, without changing your speed, pull over, let the other car pass, and then pull back out to pass car B...all without changing speed. By default, if the other car is passing you, he has less time to make this maneuver than you do.

So given the above, which aren't really refutable given your statement, you are not moving over because either

a) You don't really care that you are blocking the left lane

or

b) You aren't as comfortable changing lanes as the other driver

Some other facts in this case are:

-The other car would only have to slow down if it was to decelerate to your speed while he waited for you to pass Car A so he could clear. There is no circumstance with only these 4 cars involved, where he would have any other reason to slow down. His goal is to pass Car A, then pass you, and get back over before passing Car B. Slowing down for Car B would not help him pass you. You are the only reason he would have to slow down.

-Changing lanes is not a risk...it's a driving maneuver that every driver should be comfortable doing. 50 yards is an enormous space to change lanes into.

 

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can we just agree that danielmclark and that other guy posting earlier drive like #### and move on?

at this point, it's basically the equivalent of a line of cars passing them on the right and flipping them off.

no need to cut them off and jam on the brakes, as deserving of that they may be.

 

[Fat Nick]

Not necessarily, no. Changing lanes always introduces risk. Why should I duck over to the right for a moment to let that guy fly down the road? And I didn't say he wouldn't have to slow down. With a gap of 50 yards like in my example, there's enough room for him to tailgate me, jam over (cutting off Car A), gun it til he's past me, and then jam back over (cutting me off). It's not a rare situation. It's happened to me, it's happened to countless drivers that I've observed, and I guarantee it's happened to you too, at some point.

This mentality also seems counter-intuitive to me. When I'm driving, if there is someone behind me that is clearly being a d### riding my tail when I can't get over, I'll typically make every effort to move over as soon as possible to let them go by.

I'd rather have a d### in front of me than a d### behind me...I think that statement holds true in life, not just in driving.

 

[Fat Nick]

can we just agree that danielmclark and that other guy posting earlier drive like #### and move on?

Can't move on...too many idiots in the left lane.

 

[danielmclark]

And? Where does it say I camp the left lane? I move over when I can. Period. If I'm passing someone and someone comes up behind doing 90, I move over when I can. If traffic conditions mean I have to stay in the left lane a bit longer, I will. For example - if I'm passing Car A, and Car B is 50 yards ahead and I'm going to want to pass him, too? I'll stay in the left to pass them both rather than move right after Car A then move back left for Car B a moment later. That only makes sense. And yeah, the guy doing 90 that had to slow down to match me? #### 'em. Not my problem. It's on him if he chooses to duck into that rapidly closing 50 yard gap to zip around me.

Wouldn't it be safer if you moved right after you cleared Car A, and then the guy behind you could pass properly, then you could pull back out and pass Car B? If the passing car had the clearance to do it without slowing down at his pace (faster than yours), then you would have plenty of time to let him by as well without slowing down (due to your slower relative speed, and thus slower closing distance on car B)

Not necessarily, no. Changing lanes always introduces risk. Why should I duck over to the right for a moment to let that guy fly down the road? And I didn't say he wouldn't have to slow down. With a gap of 50 yards like in my example, there's enough room for him to tailgate me, jam over (cutting off Car A), gun it til he's past me, and then jam back over (cutting me off). It's not a rare situation. It's happened to me, it's happened to countless drivers that I've observed, and I guarantee it's happened to you too, at some point.

Do you acknowledge that the passing car can clear Car A after you did, cut over, exceed your speed, pass you, clear you, and cut back over prior to rear-ending Car B? That's what you said happens to you all the time, right?

If so, you're acknowledging that you could, without changing your speed, pull over, let the other car pass, and then pull back out to pass car B...all without changing speed. By default, if the other car is passing you, he has less time to make this maneuver than you do.

So given the above, which aren't really refutable given your statement, you are not moving over because either

a) You don't really care that you are blocking the left lane

or

b) You aren't as comfortable changing lanes as the other driver

Some other facts in this case are:

-The other car would only have to slow down if it was to decelerate to your speed while he waited for you to pass Car A so he could clear. There is no circumstance with only these 4 cars involved, where he would have any other reason to slow down. His goal is to pass Car A, then pass you, and get back over before passing Car B. Slowing down for Car B would not help him pass you. You are the only reason he would have to slow down.

-Changing lanes is not a risk...it's a driving maneuver that every driver should be comfortable doing. 50 yards is an enormous space to change lanes into.

I thought I was pretty clear that it's 'a'. I don't really care that I'm blocking the left lane for the amount of time it takes me to get past Car B. We're talking a matter of seconds here, not minutes, not hours. I'm not going to change lanes three times in a matter of seconds just to appease someone who's driving recklessly. If he chooses to jam past me, that's on him. I have no way of knowing if he'll do that or not, I can only control my own vehicle.

 

[-fish-]

can we just agree that danielmclark and that other guy posting earlier drive like #### and move on?

Can't move on...too many idiots in the left lane.

oh. Then just cut them off and jam on your brakes. Hopefully they'll get rear-ended by a logging truck.

 

[danielmclark]

Not necessarily, no. Changing lanes always introduces risk. Why should I duck over to the right for a moment to let that guy fly down the road? And I didn't say he wouldn't have to slow down. With a gap of 50 yards like in my example, there's enough room for him to tailgate me, jam over (cutting off Car A), gun it til he's past me, and then jam back over (cutting me off). It's not a rare situation. It's happened to me, it's happened to countless drivers that I've observed, and I guarantee it's happened to you too, at some point.

This mentality also seems counter-intuitive to me. When I'm driving, if there is someone behind me that is clearly being a d### riding my tail when I can't get over, I'll typically make every effort to move over as soon as possible to let them go by.

I'd rather have a d### in front of me than a d### behind me...I think that statement holds true in life, not just in driving.

Because with people like that, I'd rather not complicate things. If I make a move back to the right at the same time that he gets frustrated and tries to jam around me, we're all going to have a bad day.

 

[Fat Nick]

I thought I was pretty clear that it's 'a'. I don't really care that I'm blocking the left lane for the amount of time it takes me to get past Car B. We're talking a matter of seconds here, not minutes, not hours. I'm not going to change lanes three times in a matter of seconds just to appease someone who's driving recklessly. If he chooses to jam past me, that's on him. I have no way of knowing if he'll do that or not, I can only control my own vehicle.

OK. As long as we're clear that you're choosing to block the road out of disregard for general traffic flow.

 

[danielmclark]

I thought I was pretty clear that it's 'a'. I don't really care that I'm blocking the left lane for the amount of time it takes me to get past Car B. We're talking a matter of seconds here, not minutes, not hours. I'm not going to change lanes three times in a matter of seconds just to appease someone who's driving recklessly. If he chooses to jam past me, that's on him. I have no way of knowing if he'll do that or not, I can only control my own vehicle.

OK. As long as we're clear that you're choosing to block the road out of disregard for general traffic flow.

For the 4.5 seconds it takes for me to get past Car B, I guess I am. Whatever. You'd do the same thing, though at this point, you'd never admit it.

 

[Fat Nick]

Not necessarily, no. Changing lanes always introduces risk. Why should I duck over to the right for a moment to let that guy fly down the road? And I didn't say he wouldn't have to slow down. With a gap of 50 yards like in my example, there's enough room for him to tailgate me, jam over (cutting off Car A), gun it til he's past me, and then jam back over (cutting me off). It's not a rare situation. It's happened to me, it's happened to countless drivers that I've observed, and I guarantee it's happened to you too, at some point.

This mentality also seems counter-intuitive to me. When I'm driving, if there is someone behind me that is clearly being a d### riding my tail when I can't get over, I'll typically make every effort to move over as soon as possible to let them go by.

I'd rather have a d### in front of me than a d### behind me...I think that statement holds true in life, not just in driving.

Because with people like that, I'd rather not complicate things. If I make a move back to the right at the same time that he gets frustrated and tries to jam around me, we're all going to have a bad day.

YOU are complicating things by not moving over. You might see it as complicated for you, but it's ignorant to not see how this complicates things for everyone else involved. Car A now gets cut off by the passer, the passer now drives like more of a jack hole, and Car B nearly gets rear-ended. All because you didn't want to change lanes and just let the guy go. As you said, you can only drive YOUR car. People are going to drive faster than you. It's a fact. Why not just let them go? Oy.

If you put your turn signal on and move over after you clear Car A, nothing gets complicated. You, as the car in front at the time of passing Car A, have first shot at physically passing car A and pulling back in. The passer is behind you at this point, and likely beside Car A when you have the opportunity to pull in. If you put your signal on (you do use your signal, right? Or is that a distraction that you're not willing to risk?), I think 99.9% of the drivers out there would be glad you moved over.

 

[Rush Limbaugh Fan]

If I am already going at or above the speed limit, you can flash all you want, but I will get over when I damn well please. The more you flash, the longer it will take.

You deserve cancer.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

If I am already going at or above the speed limit, you can flash all you want, but I will get over when I damn well please. The more you flash, the longer it will take.

You deserve cancer.

Televised.

 

[danielmclark]

Not necessarily, no. Changing lanes always introduces risk. Why should I duck over to the right for a moment to let that guy fly down the road? And I didn't say he wouldn't have to slow down. With a gap of 50 yards like in my example, there's enough room for him to tailgate me, jam over (cutting off Car A), gun it til he's past me, and then jam back over (cutting me off). It's not a rare situation. It's happened to me, it's happened to countless drivers that I've observed, and I guarantee it's happened to you too, at some point.

This mentality also seems counter-intuitive to me. When I'm driving, if there is someone behind me that is clearly being a d### riding my tail when I can't get over, I'll typically make every effort to move over as soon as possible to let them go by.

I'd rather have a d### in front of me than a d### behind me...I think that statement holds true in life, not just in driving.

Because with people like that, I'd rather not complicate things. If I make a move back to the right at the same time that he gets frustrated and tries to jam around me, we're all going to have a bad day.

YOU are complicating things by not moving over. You might see it as complicated for you, but it's ignorant to not see how this complicates things for everyone else involved. Car A now gets cut off by the passer, the passer now drives like more of a jack hole, and Car B nearly gets rear-ended. All because you didn't want to change lanes and just let the guy go. As you said, you can only drive YOUR car. People are going to drive faster than you. It's a fact. Why not just let them go? Oy.

If you put your turn signal on and move over after you clear Car A, nothing gets complicated. You, as the car in front at the time of passing Car A, have first shot at physically passing car A and pulling back in. The passer is behind you at this point, and likely beside Car A when you have the opportunity to pull in. If you put your signal on (you do use your signal, right? Or is that a distraction that you're not willing to risk?), I think 99.9% of the drivers out there would be glad you moved over.

I don't know that the other driver is going to do that, I'm not forcing him to do that, and he is absolutely wrong to do that. How can you possibly be justify such reckless driving? Just because I stay in my lane for - and I can't stress this enough - a handful of seconds?

 

[Rush Limbaugh Fan]

Not necessarily, no. Changing lanes always introduces risk. Why should I duck over to the right for a moment to let that guy fly down the road? And I didn't say he wouldn't have to slow down. With a gap of 50 yards like in my example, there's enough room for him to tailgate me, jam over (cutting off Car A), gun it til he's past me, and then jam back over (cutting me off). It's not a rare situation. It's happened to me, it's happened to countless drivers that I've observed, and I guarantee it's happened to you too, at some point.

This mentality also seems counter-intuitive to me. When I'm driving, if there is someone behind me that is clearly being a d### riding my tail when I can't get over, I'll typically make every effort to move over as soon as possible to let them go by.

I'd rather have a d### in front of me than a d### behind me...I think that statement holds true in life, not just in driving.

Because with people like that, I'd rather not complicate things. If I make a move back to the right at the same time that he gets frustrated and tries to jam around me, we're all going to have a bad day.

YOU are complicating things by not moving over. You might see it as complicated for you, but it's ignorant to not see how this complicates things for everyone else involved. Car A now gets cut off by the passer, the passer now drives like more of a jack hole, and Car B nearly gets rear-ended. All because you didn't want to change lanes and just let the guy go. As you said, you can only drive YOUR car. People are going to drive faster than you. It's a fact. Why not just let them go? Oy.

If you put your turn signal on and move over after you clear Car A, nothing gets complicated. You, as the car in front at the time of passing Car A, have first shot at physically passing car A and pulling back in. The passer is behind you at this point, and likely beside Car A when you have the opportunity to pull in. If you put your signal on (you do use your signal, right? Or is that a distraction that you're not willing to risk?), I think 99.9% of the drivers out there would be glad you moved over.

I don't know that the other driver is going to do that, I'm not forcing him to do that, and he is absolutely wrong to do that. How can you possibly be justify such reckless driving? Just because I stay in my lane for - and I can't stress this enough - a handful of seconds?

Just admit you are a #### driver and a piece of ####.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Does anyone else daydream they have James Bond rocket and machine gun mounted in their cars and imagine a couple of bursts to blow tires or if required, blowing the whole ####### car up that just cut you off or won't get over?

Did I share too much?

 

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Does anyone else daydream they have James Bond rocket and machine gun mounted in their cars and imagine a couple of bursts to blow tires or if required, blowing the whole ####### car up that just cut you off or won't get over?

:hi:

 

[Chaka]

Some of the best fishing I have seen in a long time going on in here.

Well done.

 

[Zow]

If I am already going at or above the speed limit, you can flash all you want, but I will get over when I damn well please. The more you flash, the longer it will take.

You deserve cancer.

 

[Fat Nick]

Some of the best fishing I have seen in a long time going on in here.

Well done.

I'll believe it's fishing when I can commute without people clogging the left lane. Sadly, I don't think it's fishing...