Floyd or Naanee this week? This year? (1 Viewer)

[shnikies]

Bottom line: Neither are more than a good wr3, either could have a good game, but out of my wr3, I want big game potential.. give me the guy getting the red zone looks.

I guess 5-110 with a 59 yd TD is not big game potential Isnt this the guy from old and established PPR league?

Plus, he says to start the guy that will get the red zone looks. So, between Floyd and Naanee he prefers Gates? Interesting.

 

[two_dollars]

Bottom line: Neither are more than a good wr3, either could have a good game, but out of my wr3, I want big game potential.. give me the guy getting the red zone looks.

I guess 5-110 with a 59 yd TD is not big game potential Isnt this the guy from old and established PPR league?

Plus, he says to start the guy that will get the red zone looks. So, between Floyd and Naanee he prefers Gates? Interesting.

Yes, I would love to have Gates. He is the #1 on this team and should finish TE1.22 pts is a pretty good game but not uncommon at all in PPR. I don't see him having multiple TDs in any game, and I don't see him getting 9+ catches in a game. I can see either of those for Floyd.I said my piece and I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I am giving my opinion to those reading and they can take it or leave it, as can you guys.

 

[kencav]

Bottom line: Neither are more than a good wr3, either could have a good game, but out of my wr3, I want big game potential.. give me the guy getting the red zone looks.

I guess 5-110 with a 59 yd TD is not big game potential Isnt this the guy from old and established PPR league?

Plus, he says to start the guy that will get the red zone looks. So, between Floyd and Naanee he prefers Gates? Interesting.

Yes, I would love to have Gates. He is the #1 on this team and should finish TE1.22 pts is a pretty good game but not uncommon at all in PPR. I don't see him having multiple TDs in any game, and I don't see him getting 9+ catches in a game. I can see either of those for Floyd.I said my piece and I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I am giving my opinion to those reading and they can take nit or leave it, as can you guys.

22 points a game- he had 26 in my league with distance bonus- is a common game?20 times 15 is 300 points- RB1 territoryThey are on one of the more prolific passing offenses in the league with a top flight TE drawing double or sometimes triple coverage as well as a strong running game so .......OWNED!

 

[basher]

Bottom line: Neither are more than a good wr3, either could have a good game, but out of my wr3, I want big game potential.. give me the guy getting the red zone looks.

I guess 5-110 with a 59 yd TD is not big game potential Isnt this the guy from old and established PPR league?

Plus, he says to start the guy that will get the red zone looks. So, between Floyd and Naanee he prefers Gates? Interesting.

Yes, I would love to have Gates. He is the #1 on this team and should finish TE1.22 pts is a pretty good game but not uncommon at all in PPR. I don't see him having multiple TDs in any game, and I don't see him getting 9+ catches in a game. I can see either of those for Floyd.

I said my piece and I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I am giving my opinion to those reading and they can take nit or leave it, as can you guys.

22 points a game- he had 26 in my league with distance bonus- is a common game?20 times 15 is 300 points- RB1 territory

They are on one of the more prolific passing offenses in the league with a top flight TE drawing double or sometimes triple coverage as well as a strong running game so .......

OWNED!

so you owned him by multiplication and implication? The real problem here is there isn't that big of a distinction between Naanee and Floyd. Who will have a better year? I bet they both end up fairly close although in a PPR I am going Floyd. Targets this season as well as targets at the end of last seasons also Rivers wasn't afraid to look his way in big spots on monday night.

 

[California]

Is 1000yd/8td realistic for either of them? Vjax had 1167/9 last year. Gates had 1157/8.

Rivers threw for 4254/28 last year. I'm really looking forward to see him play when it's not thunderstorming, but he looks great.

I figured no Vjax would be a bump for Gates. I still do, but if he's consistently double or triple teamed, Floyd or Nanee is going to have a huge year. Somebody's going to catch Rivers' 25-30 TDs this year.

 

[Touchdown There]

I understand Naanee is trendy, and FF is all about "what have you done for me lately" but don't overlook that the playbook hasn't changed. Floyd is running the VJax routes and is the primary read on the majority of passing plays. I think Naanee will have serviceable weeks, especially vs a team with a strong cover corner. Floyd is not the talent to overcome a Bailey or Revis. In fact he may put up ok but not great numbers against those because he's not the big threat and won't be singled out. But those would be the best weeks to put Naanee in your lineup. Otherwise, vs weak pass D's, the safer play is Floyd and the higher ceiling is Floyd.

I may be wrong but isn't Floyd in the same position he was last year? Didn't Naanee take over Vincent Jackson's position because I know he was behind him on the depth chart last year. Regardless, the reason Jackson was the primary read was because he's Vincent Jackson. I'm not saying Naanee is the better play, I just think neither are plays because it's going to be a coin flip each week for who gets what.

Can anyone verify if Naanee is in the Vjax role this year and Floyd is in the same position as last year. My understanding from last year is that VJax was the X. Who is in this role (regardless of #1 standing)? I would like to play the X and own both players in most leagues.

 

[Sabertooth]

I understand Naanee is trendy, and FF is all about "what have you done for me lately" but don't overlook that the playbook hasn't changed. Floyd is running the VJax routes and is the primary read on the majority of passing plays. I think Naanee will have serviceable weeks, especially vs a team with a strong cover corner. Floyd is not the talent to overcome a Bailey or Revis. In fact he may put up ok but not great numbers against those because he's not the big threat and won't be singled out. But those would be the best weeks to put Naanee in your lineup. Otherwise, vs weak pass D's, the safer play is Floyd and the higher ceiling is Floyd.

I may be wrong but isn't Floyd in the same position he was last year? Didn't Naanee take over Vincent Jackson's position because I know he was behind him on the depth chart last year. Regardless, the reason Jackson was the primary read was because he's Vincent Jackson. I'm not saying Naanee is the better play, I just think neither are plays because it's going to be a coin flip each week for who gets what.

Can anyone verify if Naanee is in the Vjax role this year and Floyd is in the same position as last year. My understanding from last year is that VJax was the X. Who is in this role (regardless of #1 standing)? I would like to play the X and own both players in most leagues.

Hopefully Maurile Tremblay can chime in on this.

 

[puckalicious]

My league is a old and competitive PPR league. These were WR's picked up this week: Mike Thomas, Eddie Royal, Mark Clayton. These were WR's NOT picked up this week: Legedu Naanee, Brandon Lloyd, Danny Amendola. If that gives you any insight to perceived value away from the "shark" pool..

Most competitive leagues drafted Mike Thomas, Eddie Royal, and Mark Clayton so they are not available as free agents. That's why most competitive leagues are talking about picking up Naanee, Lloyd, and Amendola.

 

[ookook]

My league is a old and competitive PPR league. These were WR's picked up this week: Mike Thomas, Eddie Royal, Mark Clayton. These were WR's NOT picked up this week: Legedu Naanee, Brandon Lloyd, Danny Amendola. If that gives you any insight to perceived value away from the "shark" pool..

Most competitive leagues drafted Mike Thomas, Eddie Royal, and Mark Clayton so they are not available as free agents. That's why most competitive leagues are talking about picking up Naanee, Lloyd, and Amendola.

Clayton was undrafted in something like 7 of the 8 leagues I am in. His value at BAL as WR3 was pretty limited before the Housh shuffle.

 

[Todem]

Well if have been following that league trade drama thread it is obvious you start Naanee a guy dumped Randy Moss and Roddy White for him.

Start Naanee!!!

LMFAO.

 

[Sylira21]

Is 1000yd/8td realistic for either of them? Vjax had 1167/9 last year. Gates had 1157/8.Rivers threw for 4254/28 last year. I'm really looking forward to see him play when it's not thunderstorming, but he looks great.I figured no Vjax would be a bump for Gates. I still do, but if he's consistently double or triple teamed, Floyd or Nanee is going to have a huge year. Somebody's going to catch Rivers' 25-30 TDs this year.

This.There's a lot of opportunity on the Chargers this year. I picked up Naanee since Floyd got bought for a nice chunk in our auction. I think it's too soon to tell who is going to be better between the two, and it could be a different one every week.That said, "Somebody's going to catch Rivers' 25-30 TDs this year". And it won't be Gates getting 15 of them.

 

[munygon2]

Nice matchup this weekend against the Jags and Rivers is pissed. There will be plenty of catches to go around this weekend so all of these receivers should have nice stats regardless of which one you start.

 

[Portis 26]

My league is a old and competitive PPR league. These were WR's picked up this week: Mike Thomas, Eddie Royal, Mark Clayton. These were WR's NOT picked up this week: Legedu Naanee, Brandon Lloyd, Danny Amendola. If that gives you any insight to perceived value away from the "shark" pool..

What on earth were Mike Thomas and Eddie Royal doing on waivers in your league? Sounds like all the old-timers in your league have been taking too many naps!

 

[Sylira21]

Guys...

Just a note. Who is on waivers in a particular league is HUGELY dependent on the number of teams in the league and the size of the rosters and the starting lineup requirements. Just because, say, Chester Taylor or Seattle's Mike Williams is on the waiver wire is NOT an indication that the league is a bunch of dumb-a###s.

I've played in 10-ten leagues with 5 total reserves per team, and there was a WEALTH of talent on the waivers. I've played in 16-team leagues where you picked up third string RBs and prayed for injuries.

Can we please stop the "you must play in a league of girl-scouts if so-and-so is available" posts?

 

[Touchdown There]

I understand Naanee is trendy, and FF is all about "what have you done for me lately" but don't overlook that the playbook hasn't changed. Floyd is running the VJax routes and is the primary read on the majority of passing plays. I think Naanee will have serviceable weeks, especially vs a team with a strong cover corner. Floyd is not the talent to overcome a Bailey or Revis. In fact he may put up ok but not great numbers against those because he's not the big threat and won't be singled out. But those would be the best weeks to put Naanee in your lineup. Otherwise, vs weak pass D's, the safer play is Floyd and the higher ceiling is Floyd.

I may be wrong but isn't Floyd in the same position he was last year? Didn't Naanee take over Vincent Jackson's position because I know he was behind him on the depth chart last year. Regardless, the reason Jackson was the primary read was because he's Vincent Jackson. I'm not saying Naanee is the better play, I just think neither are plays because it's going to be a coin flip each week for who gets what.

Can anyone verify if Naanee is in the Vjax role this year and Floyd is in the same position as last year. My understanding from last year is that VJax was the X. Who is in this role (regardless of #1 standing)? I would like to play the X and own both players in most leagues.

Hopefully Maurile Tremblay can chime in on this.

Still waiting on Tremblay's thoughts here, but looked this up: http://www.nfl.com/teams/sandiegochargers/depthchart?team=SDFrom Wikipedia:

[*]Split end (X or SE): A receiver on the line of scrimmage, necessary to meet the rule requiring seven such players at snap. Where applicable, this receiver is on the opposite side of the tight end. The split end is farthest from center on his side of the field.

[*]Flanker (Z or FL): A receiver lining up behind the line of scrimmage. Frequently the team's featured receiver, the flanker uses the initial buffer between himself and a defender to avoid jamming, legal contact within five yards of the line of scrimmage. The flanker is generally on the same side of the formation as a tight end. As with the split end, this receiver is the farthest player from the center on his side of the field. The flanker is probably lined up just like a split end except that he is just behind the line of scrimmage, being in the backfield and not on the line.

[*]Slot receiver (Y or SL): A less-formal name given to receivers in addition to split ends and flankers (for example tight-ends who line up wide). These receivers line up between the split end/flanker and the linemen. If aligned with a flanker, the slot receiver is usually on the line of scrimmage, and if with a split end, off the line of scrimmage. As with the flanker position, a featured receiver often takes a slot position with a split end to avoid jamming.

The NFL.com depth chart shows Naanee on the line of scrimmage as the X. If this is true, I am going to start Naanee in most leagues. Can anyone verify from game tape. Is he the X on the line? Is he in VJax's role? I do not have the Ticket...

 

[Two Deep]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/09/1...without-jackson

Rivers' biggest problem seemed to be getting on the same page with Malcom Floyd, the man charged with replacing Jackson as the Bolts' No. 1 receiver.

From what we hear, however, Naanee's days as an outside receiver could be numbered.

That's because Patrick Crayton, whom the Chargers acquired from Dallas on Sept. 3, could take over opposite Floyd. We're told that the team sees Crayton, a seventh-year vet who had 37 catches for 622 yards and five scores last season, as a better fit outside than Naanee. Since joining the club, Crayton has put in lots of work and hours to get up to speed on the Bolts' schemes.

While the team isn't upset with Naanee's play, it thinks his talents fit best in the slot, where he primarily resided during his first three pro campaigns.

 

[Chaka]

Guys...Just a note. Who is on waivers in a particular league is HUGELY dependent on the number of teams in the league and the size of the rosters and the starting lineup requirements. Just because, say, Chester Taylor or Seattle's Mike Williams is on the waiver wire is NOT an indication that the league is a bunch of dumb-a###s. I've played in 10-ten leagues with 5 total reserves per team, and there was a WEALTH of talent on the waivers. I've played in 16-team leagues where you picked up third string RBs and prayed for injuries. Can we please stop the "you must play in a league of girl-scouts if so-and-so is available" posts?

THANK YOU.Post of the thread.

 

[Sabertooth]

I know, you'd swear some of these guys play in 20 man leagues. Most are 10-12. In those league, many players are available. Also in auctions, crazy #### happens. CJ Spiller was cut in my very competitive auction this week. Crazy right? Not really, the owner thinks he can snag him back next week so he's using the waiver process as a roster stash.

Mike Thomas is as well. He has been rostered and cut twice already for that same reason.

 

[Touchdown There]

Just watched highlights of the game here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIOshv_kAIs

Naanee is lined up as the Z in all two wide receiver sets. He is on the line of scrimmage in some of the 3 & 4 wide sets. Floyd looks to be the X.

 

[switz]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/09/1...without-jackson

Rivers' biggest problem seemed to be getting on the same page with Malcom Floyd, the man charged with replacing Jackson as the Bolts' No. 1 receiver.

From what we hear, however, Naanee's days as an outside receiver could be numbered.

That's because Patrick Crayton, whom the Chargers acquired from Dallas on Sept. 3, could take over opposite Floyd. We're told that the team sees Crayton, a seventh-year vet who had 37 catches for 622 yards and five scores last season, as a better fit outside than Naanee. Since joining the club, Crayton has put in lots of work and hours to get up to speed on the Bolts' schemes.

While the team isn't upset with Naanee's play, it thinks his talents fit best in the slot, where he primarily resided during his first three pro campaigns.

Thanks for the info, but I highly doubt Crayton is much threat to Floyd or Naanee. Did Crayton even touch the field last week? I can see the team feeling Naanee is better suited for the slot, but that doesn't say anything about his talent or who is Rivers preferred target. Floyd is simply too tall to be a good slot WR. Though Naanee has been playing both positions so far this year.

 

[Chaka]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2010/09/1...without-jackson

Rivers' biggest problem seemed to be getting on the same page with Malcom Floyd, the man charged with replacing Jackson as the Bolts' No. 1 receiver.

From what we hear, however, Naanee's days as an outside receiver could be numbered.

That's because Patrick Crayton, whom the Chargers acquired from Dallas on Sept. 3, could take over opposite Floyd. We're told that the team sees Crayton, a seventh-year vet who had 37 catches for 622 yards and five scores last season, as a better fit outside than Naanee. Since joining the club, Crayton has put in lots of work and hours to get up to speed on the Bolts' schemes.

While the team isn't upset with Naanee's play, it thinks his talents fit best in the slot, where he primarily resided during his first three pro campaigns.

Thanks for the info, but I highly doubt Crayton is much threat to Floyd or Naanee. Did Crayton even touch the field last week? I can see the team feeling Naanee is better suited for the slot, but that doesn't say anything about his talent or who is Rivers preferred target. Floyd is simply too tall to be a good slot WR. Though Naanee has been playing both positions so far this year.

It might happen for Crayton but he's a 7th year guy. He was drafted by Dallas two years before Austin & Hurd and 4 1/2 years before Roy Williams was acquired and despite the head start he couldn't stay ahead of any of these guys. I am not convinced the talent is there.Legedu is entering his 4th year, I think he will be given every opportunity to prove himself before SD turns to Crayton.

 

[GCP]

Crayton will come in and make an impact at some point, he just got there. Vincent Jackson will probably sign and play at some point later in the year as well. So the answer could be.... neither.

 

[two_dollars]

Just watched highlights of the game here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIOshv_kAIs

Naanee is lined up as the Z in all two wide receiver sets. He is on the line of scrimmage in some of the 3 & 4 wide sets. Floyd looks to be the X.

 

[Sabertooth]

Crayton will come in and make an impact at some point, he just got there. Vincent Jackson will probably sign and play at some point later in the year as well. So the answer could be.... neither.

Not happening. It makes no sense for him to do so.

 

[Chaka]

Crayton will come in and make an impact at some point, he just got there. Vincent Jackson will probably sign and play at some point later in the year as well. So the answer could be.... neither.

When has Crayton ever made an impact?In 82 career games he has three 100+ yard games (one 99 yard game) and averages 0.28 TD/game.I mean anything is possible but I wouldn't bank too much on the guy.ETA: Dos Crayton play on special teams? It's possible Crayton was brought in to help replace Kasim Osgood.

 

[Two Deep]

On to week #3

Week #1 = Naanee

Week#2 = Floyd

 

[Traders2001]

Crayton is totally worthless and finished .

Jackson is nt coming back .

Nannee will probably be passed by Davis shortly ( week 1 was a fluke , a blown coverage he did nt beat anyone even i could have scored that TD )

Floyd no doubt ...

 

[eoMMan]

Still wondering if I should drop Naanee for Demaryius Thomas....hmmm....

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Crayton Buster Davis is totally worthless and finished .

Jackson is not coming back .

Davis will probably be passed by Crayton shortly

Naanee and Floyd's value are about the same

Gates no doubt ...

fixed

 

[two_dollars]

bump

 

[two_dollars]

bump again, would like to hear some more thoughts about this going forward.

 

[Tau837]

bump again, would like to hear some more thoughts about this going forward.

To the thread subject, it was always going to be Floyd over Naanee, whether this season, this month, or this week. I have posted this in several different threads about Naanee and Floyd over the past few months.Floyd has more targets, more 3rd down targets, more red zone targets, more goal line targets, more catches, more yards, and more TDs. He also has shown better hands than Naanee so far this season. All of this is as expected. And there is no reason to think it won't continue if both remain healthy.Naanee had a 59 yard TD on a busted coverage in week 1. Aside from that, he has 9/118/0 on 18 targets in 3 games. Compare that to Floyd's 12/240/2 on 24 targets. Naanee's long TD counts, of course, but until he shows more of an ability as a deep threat, I will think of it as a fluke.HTH

 

[Mello]

I think Floyd's a WR2 or 3 every week starter. Naanee is a decent bye week fill in. He's going to be very boom/bust though.

 

[shnikies]

I'm starting to get the feeling that Buster Davis is going to be the guy to own out of the receivers if he takes Naanee's job which I think is a strong possibility. He looks the most natural out of the three. Naanee doesn't seem to get it and I see no reason why that will change in the near future.

 

[Exit 1]

bump again, would like to hear some more thoughts about this going forward.

To the thread subject, it was always going to be Floyd over Naanee, whether this season, this month, or this week. I have posted this in several different threads about Naanee and Floyd over the past few months.Floyd has more targets, more 3rd down targets, more red zone targets, more goal line targets, more catches, more yards, and more TDs. He also has shown better hands than Naanee so far this season. All of this is as expected. And there is no reason to think it won't continue if both remain healthy.Naanee had a 59 yard TD on a busted coverage in week 1. Aside from that, he has 9/118/0 on 18 targets in 3 games. Compare that to Floyd's 12/240/2 on 24 targets. Naanee's long TD counts, of course, but until he shows more of an ability as a deep threat, I will think of it as a fluke.HTH

Floyd over Naanee.

 

[BringItOn]

I'm starting to get the feeling that Buster Davis is going to be the guy to own out of the receivers if he takes Naanee's job which I think is a strong possibility. He looks the most natural out of the three. Naanee doesn't seem to get it and I see no reason why that will change in the near future.

I have started to get this feeling as well, though I haven't been able to see them play much...

 

[California]

Floyd is definitely an every week starter. I think Naanee has roster value but I wouldn't start him unless it's a bye week filler.

Rivers looks fantastic. 1,000 yds, 8 tds, top 15 ranking at the end of the year doesn't seem unrealistic for Floyd.