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joshuautt

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I'm in an NFL Pickem league. I don't care how I finish, and in fact I kinda believe that Pickem is all luck and most people forced to pick all games, end up converging on a 50%. But I digress. I am here to talk about something different.

I didn't feel like making my own picks this year, I made it my mission to create a neat little algorithm that would make my picks for me. That way I would have to invest as little time as possible into a league that I entered so that the other guys would stop hassling me to join. So here is what it does:

Take Dodds' game predicted scores. Takes the difference between the 2 teams for each matchup. Match this difference with the spread. This determines which team to pick.

The next step is to assign confidence intervals. The way it does this is, the farther that Dodds' absolute predicted difference is from the absolute spread value, the more weight it gives the pick as a confidence interval. I made the entire model in an Excel spreadsheet. now I simply copy/paste spreads, copy/paste Dodds' predicted scores, and magically all my picks and CIs are done for me.

Seemed like an interesting idea. So anyway, the moral of the story is that this method has produced disastrous results. I started using the model in Week 3. In week 5, I was out of town, so missed using it.

Results:

wk 3: 43/105

wk 4: 41/105

wk 6: 29/91

wk 7: 26/91

wk 8: 61/105 (added since this post was originally created)

Notation: (wins*confidence intervals / all games * confidence intervals)

In a nutshell, not only has the Game Predictor not had even a +50% week, its actually been getting progressively worse, to the point that it would be mathematically difficult to sustain a losing streak this long.

I realize from reading old forum posts, that Dodds does not do the game predictor to beat the spread. And frankly I don't care if I lose my league, it cost me 10 bucks. But after having so much fun making the spreadsheet model, I have been stunned by its performance, particularly because I figured at worst it would be 50%.

I figure that the model will rebound over the course of the season and probably converge back to 50%, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anyone has any thoughts.

EDIT: Edited to add Week 8 results.

 
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I'm in an NFL Pickem league. I don't care how I finish, and in fact I kinda believe that Pickem is all luck and most people forced to pick all games, end up converging on a 50%. But I digress. I am here to talk about something different.I didn't feel like making my own picks this year, I made it my mission to create a neat little algorithm that would make my picks for me. That way I would have to invest as little time as possible into a league that I entered so that the other guys would stop hassling me to join. So here is what it does:Take Dodds' game predicted scores. Takes the difference between the 2 teams for each matchup. Match this difference with the spread. This determines which team to pick.The next step is to assign confidence intervals. The way it does this is, the farther that Dodds' absolute predicted difference is from the absolute spread value, the more weight it gives the pick as a confidence interval. I made the entire model in an Excel spreadsheet. now I simply copy/paste spreads, copy/paste Dodds' predicted scores, and magically all my picks and CIs are done for me.Seemed like an interesting idea. So anyway, the moral of the story is that this method has produced disastrous results. I started using the model in Week 3. In week 5, I was out of town, so missed using it.Results:wk 3: 43/105wk 4: 41/105wk 6: 29/91wk 7: 26/91Notation: (wins*confidence intervals / all games * confidence intervals)In a nutshell, not only has the Game Predictor not had even a +50% week, its actually been getting progressively worse, to the point that it would be mathematically difficult to sustain a losing streak this long.I realize from reading old forum posts, that Dodds does not do the game predictor to beat the spread. And frankly I don't care if I lose my league, it cost me 10 bucks. But after having so much fun making the spreadsheet model, I have been stunned by its performance, particularly because I figured at worst it would be 50%.I figure that the model will rebound over the course of the season and probably converge back to 50%, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anyone has any thoughts.
Wow! Even azcards33 is picking college games better than this.
 
Hey joshuatt,

Send me over the spreadsheet. I can't promise I'll look at it today, or even tomorrow, but I'll check it over soon and report back.

stuart@footballguys.com

 
I sent the model. Thanks for checking it out.
I did a preliminary check. Unfortunately, you're a lot sharper with Excel than I am, so I couldn't figure anything out by that quick look. If you've got a chance, send over the earlier weeks too. It wouldn't surprise me if FBG did bad this week, with the Chargers, Eagles, Jaguars and Seahawks suffering surprise losses.
 
This week's picks using Game Predictor vs Spreads.

DGP = Dodds Game Predicted score

Fav DGP Under DGP Dif Spread PICKS CI

Phi 26.3 Jac 18.3 8 7 Phi 4

Cin 21.7 Atl 21 0.7 3.5 Atl 8

G.B 18.4 Ari 16.8 1.6 4 Ari 6

Ten 19 Hou 21.2 -2.2 3 Hou 12

K.C 25.3 Sea 16.2 9.1 6K.C 9

N.O 20.4 Bal 18.5 1.9 2 Bal 1

NYG 22.2 T.B 14.9 7.3 9 Tam 5

Chi 28.7 S.F 12.1 16.6 16 Chi 2

S.D 25.1 StL 22.3 2.8 10 StL 14

Cle 18.5 NYJ 17.5 1 2 NYJ 4

Den 19.2 Ind 21.1 -1.9 3 IND 11

Pit 23.4 Oak 16.9 6.5 9 Oak 7

Car 21.7 Dal 20 1.7 5.5 Dal 10

N.E 21.9 Min 14.2 7.7 2 N.E 13

edit: man that formatting sucks. sorry. no good at bbcode :(

 
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This week's picks using Game Predictor vs Spreads.DGP = Dodds Game Predicted score

Code:
Fav	DGP	Under	DGP	Dif	Spread	PICKS	CIPhi	26.3	Jac	18.3	 8	 7	 Phi	4Cin	21.7	Atl	21	  0.7	3.5	Atl	8G.B	18.4	Ari	16.8	1.6	4	Ari	6Ten	19	  Hou	21.2	-2.2	3	Hou	12K.C	25.3	Sea	16.2	9.1	6	  K.C	9N.O	20.4	Bal	18.5	1.9	2	Bal	1NYG	22.2	T.B	14.9	7.3	9	Tam	5Chi	28.7	S.F	12.1	16.6	16	Chi	2S.D	25.1	StL	22.3	2.8	10	StL	14Cle	18.5	NYJ	17.5	1	  2	NYJ	4Den	19.2	Ind	21.1	-1.9	3	IND	11Pit	23.4	Oak	16.9	6.5	9	Oak	7Car	21.7	Dal	20	  1.7	5.5	Dal	10N.E	21.9	Min	14.2	7.7	2	N.E	13
edit: man that formatting sucks. sorry. no good at bbcode :(
little better
 
So use the spreadsheet and then fade all the picks.

If you had picked the opposite each time you would be on a hell of a streak.

 
I did this exact strategy in a pick 'em league against the spread and with confidence intervals three years ago and won the whole thing out of 40+ people. I haven't tracked it the last two years.

 
I'm in an NFL Pickem league. I don't care how I finish, and in fact I kinda believe that Pickem is all luck and most people forced to pick all games, end up converging on a 50%. But I digress. I am here to talk about something different.I didn't feel like making my own picks this year, I made it my mission to create a neat little algorithm that would make my picks for me. That way I would have to invest as little time as possible into a league that I entered so that the other guys would stop hassling me to join. So here is what it does:Take Dodds' game predicted scores. Takes the difference between the 2 teams for each matchup. Match this difference with the spread. This determines which team to pick.The next step is to assign confidence intervals. The way it does this is, the farther that Dodds' absolute predicted difference is from the absolute spread value, the more weight it gives the pick as a confidence interval. I made the entire model in an Excel spreadsheet. now I simply copy/paste spreads, copy/paste Dodds' predicted scores, and magically all my picks and CIs are done for me.Seemed like an interesting idea. So anyway, the moral of the story is that this method has produced disastrous results. I started using the model in Week 3. In week 5, I was out of town, so missed using it.Results:wk 3: 43/105wk 4: 41/105wk 6: 29/91wk 7: 26/91Notation: (wins*confidence intervals / all games * confidence intervals)In a nutshell, not only has the Game Predictor not had even a +50% week, its actually been getting progressively worse, to the point that it would be mathematically difficult to sustain a losing streak this long.I realize from reading old forum posts, that Dodds does not do the game predictor to beat the spread. And frankly I don't care if I lose my league, it cost me 10 bucks. But after having so much fun making the spreadsheet model, I have been stunned by its performance, particularly because I figured at worst it would be 50%.I figure that the model will rebound over the course of the season and probably converge back to 50%, but I thought I'd throw it out there and see if anyone has any thoughts.
i've been using the game predictor as well for a pick 'em league. my weights are much different than yours, but i've been using the same concept.Yes, its done quite horrible overall, and i'd read boasts that is almost always beat the spread, had a season of being right at a 65% clip, etc.it is going pretty badly overall and i'm not sure why
 
I've read a couple threads asking about the Game Predictor here on the boards this season and like other's was curious as to just how well it was doing over the course of the season ... I didn't even include spreads or over/under values, just was curious as to how accurate it was at predicting a weekly winner ... to date this season the predictor has hit 60 out of 100 games correct when looking for a weekly game winner.

:bag:

 
I can attest that Dodds game predictor was a horrible tool for this purpose last year. I was using it last year for the first 5 weeks since those are the weeks I struggle most....

I finished last out of 14 3 times in that span and in the bottom 5 the other 2 weeks I never recovered from this start in the overall standings it was a terrible tool...

It truly should be removed or at least posting its true record for the past 2 seasons....which I know they will not have the balls to do. I posted about this last year but I couldnt find the post via the search engine.

 
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so you guys think there should be a sure-fire way to predict the outcome of games? People in Vegas would like to meet you

 
joshuautt,

I would guess most people wouldn't share a flawed theory but thanks, it is something for the people predicting games to learn from.

 
so you guys think there should be a sure-fire way to predict the outcome of games? People in Vegas would like to meet you
Hey I agree with that but its something that they are selling and last year they were boasting its 65% accuracy record so to use it as a primary reference seemed logical...... :loco: At least they took the boasting out of the intro this year I hadnt really looked at it this season.
 
so you guys think there should be a sure-fire way to predict the outcome of games? People in Vegas would like to meet you
Hey I agree with that but its something that they are selling and last year they were boasting its 65% accuracy record so to use it as a primary reference seemed logical...... :loco: At least they took the boasting out of the intro this year I hadnt really looked at it this season.
ahhhhhhh for me it's like the magic 8 ball/head/thing Hardly a major part of the service
 
joshuautt,

I would guess most people wouldn't share a flawed theory but thanks, it is something for the people predicting games to learn from.
Bri, Your welcome. I guess. For clarity, I wasn't sharing a theory that I already determined to be "flawed". I was sharing my results to date using a theory, and like I said during the original post, I expected the Game Predictor results to at least converge to 50% over the balance of the season. Here's the results from Wk 8 using Game Predictor to make the picks and assign the Confidence points:W/L 8-6

The confidence points of the 8 Wins were: Atl (8), KC (9), Bal (1), Chi (2), Ind (11), Oak (7), Dal (10), NE (13)

Considering that Game Predictor got the 8,9,10,11,and 13 confidence picks correct, it was a fairly successful week.

Side note: In only 2 games, the Game Predictor made picks opposite from every other team in my Pickem league. It picked Arizona to cover vs Green Bay (wrong), and picked Dallas to cover vs Carolina (correct).

 
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I would be curious to see the algorithm for the system that predicted Houston over Jacksonville, Tampa over Philly, Tennessee over Washington or Oakland over Pittsburgh in the last couple of weeks (to name just a few). The last couple of weeks especially have been just brutal as far as some of the upsets that have taken place, and if anyone was actually able to pick the majority of those games, I'm not sure I would trust them for their picks on anything else. Probably like my wife picks the horses: "Ohhh, I like Houston's uniforms. They should beat Jacksonville!"

 
I would be curious to see the algorithm for the system that predicted Houston over Jacksonville, Tampa over Philly, Tennessee over Washington or Oakland over Pittsburgh in the last couple of weeks (to name just a few). The last couple of weeks especially have been just brutal as far as some of the upsets that have taken place, and if anyone was actually able to pick the majority of those games, I'm not sure I would trust them for their picks on anything else. Probably like my wife picks the horses: "Ohhh, I like Houston's uniforms. They should beat Jacksonville!"
I don't have any interest in betting on games, I am tracking this stuff purely from an interest in stats and probabilities. But in answer to your question, I don't think anyone would ever claim that they could pick all NFL games, and obviously there are going to be tons of upsets.I focus on a Win % of 59.My reasoning behind this number is that: If you flipped a coin for each of the next 150 NFL games (spread), you would only have a 1% chance of beating a 59% Correct Win rate. Therefore, if you can beat 59% over 150 games, that probably ain't luck.I posed that challenge to the members of my league, and the high score so far is 53.2% Win Rate through Week 8. Its amazing how quickly everyone's picks converged on a 50% Win Rate. Granted, there are 6 people in my league. If you are in a 200 person Pickem league, you will of course see some > 60% win percentages. Its all about probabilities.I don't know enough about actual gambling to know whether a 60% win rate would actually earn you money in Vegas... someone else can answer that.
 
the game predictor pionts to who "should" win the game. Unfortunately it can't account for Ben Roethlisberger moments.

 
Week 9 Picks based on Game Predictor:

Washington
Baltimore
Houston
Chicago
Detroit
San Francisco
Jacksonville
Denver
St. Louis
Cleveland
New England
Tampa Bay
Oakland
Green BayRanked by Confidence Points. For example, since Game Predictor predicts a difference in score of the Washington-Dallas game of 3, and the spread is 3, then it has the least confidence in that game. So a confidence points value of only 1 is assigned.

On the other side, Green Bay is forecast by Game Predictor to beat Buffalo 20-18, but the spread has Buffalo as a favorite by 3, so with that difference of 5, Green Bay is assigned the highest confidence point value.

 
so far the 9, 12, and 14 have failed.

It's darn near time to start fading this thing..

I don't think the margin of difference has ANYTHING to do with the game predictor's confidence level....

I'm getting frustrated.

 

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