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solorca

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So, I'm not one to complain too often about the content on the site, but there is something today that is really annoying me. According to the Week 12 info, they are claiming that the Top 250+ was updated today. On this ranking, Fred Jackson is still at the #15 RB spot for the remainder of the year. While it was a minor annoyance that it was missing on Wednesday's update that didn't roll out until a few hours after the IR announcement, it seems a bit ridiculous that paid content is a full two days behind news breaking now.

CJ Spiller is still at #46 as well, and with trade deadlines hitting all over the place (most finishing already earlier in the week), this would have been a useful tool to help assess value.

This is very disappointing. It's one thing to use the argument that people are spending times with their families on the holiday, but it's another to claim that they are providing updated information that is clearly not updated.

 
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I was actually thinking the same thing except didn't feel like posting it to hear 400 people reply that it's Thanksgiving. I agree with this, two days after the fact it should be updated.

 
I was actually thinking the same thing except didn't feel like posting it to hear 400 people reply that it's Thanksgiving. I agree with this, two days after the fact it should be updated.
I would actually agree with the Thanksgiving argument, if it weren't for two issues. The Wednesday 250+ came out after the announcement, and the site is already showing today's update as being made.I just think it's really misleading to claim that you're providing updated information when you're clearly not doing so.
 
I hope that it was put out there by mistake because to me - it looks just like Wednesday's. If not a mistake, that is pretty bad. There should at least be adjustments to F Jax, Spiller, and probably Kevin Smith.

 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.

 
this also bothered me. and made me wonder did they mail in all the rankings for this week and did I drop a guy that I should not have dropped.

 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. I don't have time to read a bunch of articles. I pay for those rankings to help me make lineup decisions, add/drop and trade decisions, etc. Other than the Subscriber Contest the rankings are the only reason I continue to subscribe.
 
I've learned not to rely on the top 250. Lots of inconsistencies. It seems very reactive and not forward-looking.

 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
so in other words concentrate on dynasty stuff? I would guess tons of subscribers use FBG rankings as a tool.
 
I've learned not to rely on the top 250. Lots of inconsistencies. It seems very reactive and not forward-looking.
It seems that the top 250 forward has historically been the most concerning to members for a number of years. This ain't a new complaint. Lots of great things about this place - the top 250 forward isn't one of them. I would like to see more effort place here as well.
 
I'm not going to pile on with complaints, just ideas to improve.

The Top 250 is the feature I use the most as I am always looking to measure trade values. I would like more emphasis placed here as well.

Someone mentioned that it is not forward looking. I agree with this- it seems like it doesn't factor schedule strength too highly. For example, Steven Jackson has a tough schedule and I'm not sure the rankings over the past three weeks has reflected it.

 
I'll admit that I rarely use the forward rankings to make decisions anymore, but I do think it's a useful tool when you're looking to see someone jump off the page as a good person to look at in your league (especially since you can tie it in with your MFL league).

Last year was my first season taking fantasy football more seriously and I relied heavily on the 250+. What I found was that it completely screwed up my team with the overreaction of the weekly updates. For instance, a guy has a really good game and he suddenly will jump into the top 10 for the remainder of the season (Denarius Moore last week, is an example). I really wish that there were more opinions for this, rather than just one person.

 
The reality is we all use FBG for a lot of stuff. Personally, I subscribe for the contest, rankings, and articles. I do expect that the information is updated timely, as that is what I am paying for the service. Now I am one of the last to knock David and his staff as I have been on here for almost a decade now, but I do think that with FJax on IR and the content still be incorrect after several days, that is an issue and it should be addressed.

 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Having a second opinion is always a great thing. Thats why I always look at the rankings. Then again sometimes it cause me to doubt myself.
 
Dudes It was Thanksgiving yesterday. I am sure they took time off to be with their families when the Fred Jackson news broke. :rolleyes:

 
Gotta say, to begin with, I expect and believe we generally get the best overall info from FBG's--but in no way is it the only place I refer to, and I never make major decisions based on either their one burst of excitement or this board falling all over itself. Disappointing and unfortunate that the gaff with the Jackson rating slipped through, but honestly--I knew this already, had already jumped Spiller yesterday, and was primarily looking for trends and not values.

My primary--and now only--league doesn't score in 'standard' fashion so I'm not going to use anybody else's rankings as gospel without doing some of my own extrapolation. I do the same with projected SOS when looking at player pickups. Love the layout and info for the FBG version but then go to my own league site to see how the upcoming defenses stack up against players I'm looking at. And--there are other sites, starting with NFL.com, to review and pull particular details off of.

If you only have time to follow any one site and live by their projections then this is a good one. But the old saying about all your eggs in one basket applies even here.

:coffee:

 
Dudes It was Thanksgiving yesterday. I am sure they took time off to be with their families when the Fred Jackson news broke. :rolleyes:
Its not like they are doing rankings for 52 weeks, its 16 weeks of rankings. to adjust 3 players is a 5 min job, not a whole day event. and the news broke on Wednesday.ETA:x-mass is on a Sunday this year so we should not expect any updates for week 16 on Saturday, Sunday and Monday also?
 
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Frankly, I'm shocked it's as up-to-date as it is for only $20 or whatever it was. The complaining is funny. I've got an idea...do your own homework.

 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. I don't have time to read a bunch of articles. I pay for those rankings to help me make lineup decisions, add/drop and trade decisions, etc. Other than the Subscriber Contest the rankings are the only reason I continue to subscribe.
+1
 
Frankly, I'm shocked it's as up-to-date as it is for only $20 or whatever it was. The complaining is funny. I've got an idea...do your own homework.
If I had the time to do my homework, I would. I don't so I pay someone else to do it for me. I'd like it to be correct.
 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. I don't have time to read a bunch of articles. I pay for those rankings to help me make lineup decisions, add/drop and trade decisions, etc. Other than the Subscriber Contest the rankings are the only reason I continue to subscribe.
+1
Funny how everyone wants to rely on someone else to be their brain for them. That's what separates the men from the boys. If you don't have the time to spend on the hobby, why play?
 
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I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. I don't have time to read a bunch of articles. I pay for those rankings to help me make lineup decisions, add/drop and trade decisions, etc. Other than the Subscriber Contest the rankings are the only reason I continue to subscribe.
+1
Funny how everyone wants to rely on someone else to be their brain for them. That's what separates the men from the boys. If you don't have the time to spend on the hobby, why play?
If it was as black and white as you make it sound I would agree with you. However, like most things in life, it isn't.
 
Frankly, I'm shocked it's as up-to-date as it is for only $20 or whatever it was. The complaining is funny. I've got an idea...do your own homework.
People pay what they ask for the data. If they want to charge more, fine...but they should also provide the information that they claim to. Smug response aside, I think that a majority of the people use these things as a tool, not a guide. I pay for their "expert" information and it would be nice to actually have the up to date info that is promised.
 
I was waiting all night to check the top 250 today after I picked up Spiller before Jackson went to IR. I'm sure with the holiday etc they may have just missed it. As much as I'd like to see where Spiller ranks the rest of the way, I can be patient enough to just wait. It's not going to change anything in the immediate future, would have just loved to look at ranks and stats bc im a junkie for that like the rest of us hahaaha these guys do enough work one little thing isn't going to change anything

 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. I don't have time to read a bunch of articles. I pay for those rankings to help me make lineup decisions, add/drop and trade decisions, etc. Other than the Subscriber Contest the rankings are the only reason I continue to subscribe.
+1
Funny how everyone wants to rely on someone else to be their brain for them. That's what separates the men from the boys. If you don't have the time to spend on the hobby, why play?
If it was as black and white as you make it sound I would agree with you. However, like most things in life, it isn't.
It seems clear to me. You get what you put into it, both success and satisfaction.
 
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I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
one could argue that "decent" fantasy players don't have to pay for info
 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
one could argue that "decent" fantasy players don't have to pay for info
I wouldn't argue with that at all. I agree 100% I just think you get more satisfaction out of the hobby if you know what you're doing, rather than depend on someone else to help me make my lineup decisions. Having said that, making lineup decisions is probably the hardest thing about this hobby. How do you choose between two players that seem identical and both have a decent match up? Some say never bench your studs and some say, I'm not playing him, he's being covered by so and so. I don't think FBGs can make that decision any easier than I can.
 
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I thought this was going to be about FBG's ranking the NYG D over the NYJ D in the weekly rankings. I saw the Giants ranked 2nd and the Jets in the 20s yesterday and figured it had to be a typo. Doubled checked ESPN's rankings and they had the NYJ D #2 overall this week and the Giants way down in the rankings, which seems about right.

 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
one could argue that "decent" fantasy players don't have to pay for info
I wouldn't argue with that at all. I agree 100% I just think you get more satisfaction out of the hobby if you know what you're doing, rather than depend on someone else to help me make my lineup decisions.
Different people do things in different ways. Believe it or not, I actually agree with you about enjoying things more when I make my own choices. I make all of my own decisions, but I still like to use FBG's for some feedback and insight occasionally. With that said, there are a lot of people who pay for the services on this site to help them make their lineup decisions, etc. They have the right to do so, and if that is what they choose to do with the information that is provided on this site, that's completely up to them.If the site is going to claim that they provide up to data fantasy data, the least they can do is actually provide it. Claiming that they have updated the 250+ on Friday and completely ignoring the biggest update in fantasy football over the past week is disappointing for the people who actually pay for these services.
 
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meh.I've been in this game since before FBG's were born as an entity. So have a lot of you guys. With all the alternatives now out there we have a bunch of choices, and for breadth of content, depth of analysis, collection of info/references....I still think this is a good one. I think the overall best one, though I cross check their references constantly given the chance. Perfect? No way--this wouldn't be the game it was if anyone was all knowing. Occasional glitches? Damright. It's real simple in a capitalist economy--you like the product you buy. You like someone else's better you buy that one. You follow any one site like a lemming? Then go ahead and beyotch--but there's nobody to blame but yourself if somebody else missed something and you didn't cross check.

:coffee:

 
meh.I've been in this game since before FBG's were born as an entity. So have a lot of you guys. With all the alternatives now out there we have a bunch of choices, and for breadth of content, depth of analysis, collection of info/references....I still think this is a good one. I think the overall best one, though I cross check their references constantly given the chance. Perfect? No way--this wouldn't be the game it was if anyone was all knowing. Occasional glitches? Damright. It's real simple in a capitalist economy--you like the product you buy. You like someone else's better you buy that one. You follow any one site like a lemming? Then go ahead and beyotch--but there's nobody to blame but yourself if somebody else missed something and you didn't cross check. :coffee:
I think there is a big difference between missing something small and missing a top 5 RB going on IR. That's a little ridiculous.
 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. I don't have time to read a bunch of articles. I pay for those rankings to help me make lineup decisions, add/drop and trade decisions, etc. Other than the Subscriber Contest the rankings are the only reason I continue to subscribe.
+1
Funny how everyone wants to rely on someone else to be their brain for them. That's what separates the men from the boys. If you don't have the time to spend on the hobby, why play?
Why are you fighting the people who think the site should be updated more often? FBG as a whole is simply a reference tool. Everyone uses it differently. I think looking at "expert" rankings is a very valuable tool when setting a lineup or making a trade. I've been playing FF for 8 years now. Different years I've been able to devote different amounts of time to this hobby and have really come to the conclusion that spending more time on FF doesn't make it more enjoyable or even a team better.
 
meh.I've been in this game since before FBG's were born as an entity. So have a lot of you guys. With all the alternatives now out there we have a bunch of choices, and for breadth of content, depth of analysis, collection of info/references....I still think this is a good one. I think the overall best one, though I cross check their references constantly given the chance. Perfect? No way--this wouldn't be the game it was if anyone was all knowing. Occasional glitches? Damright. It's real simple in a capitalist economy--you like the product you buy. You like someone else's better you buy that one. You follow any one site like a lemming? Then go ahead and beyotch--but there's nobody to blame but yourself if somebody else missed something and you didn't cross check. :coffee:
I think there is a big difference between missing something small and missing a top 5 RB going on IR. That's a little ridiculous.
So? I caught it--and picked up Spiller after some quick scanning. It's not rocket science here. Like I said it's a capitalist economy--if this incident is a game changer for you then your next move is clear--pull out. If this is the tipping point for a majority of members then it'll make an impact. What I take from FBG's--or anyone else for that matter--is an alert to find out just what is going on. "Fred Jackson hurt"--What? Look him up. Google is your friend. They pointed me into a direction I could find what I needed to know. That's really all I ask from anybody--Give me a clue. I'll take it from there. Don't mistake what I'm saying here--Yep--they messed up. Missed it. Goofed. But when the new news is the same as the old news it ought to be a big red flag to follow up. Or not. :shrug:
 
I should say regarding my general attitude here and the fantasy time factor--I've got very little time to play this game. Don't even get to watch most of the games--almost none of them any more. So I guess I've gotten used to looking for smoke signals from all directions and checking out the fire. FBG's gives me a good starting point and thus is worth the investment but as with my lineup decisions--I'll even play matchups with my studs.

:coffee:

 
I just think that if the TOP 250 is not going to be updated it should be left on the day it was posted as accurate for that day. Don't fail to update it but then roll it forward into other days. At least I know if I go to Wednesday to look at it - I expect Wednesdays data. If I look at something posted under Friday - I expect it to be based on Friday's data.

I don't understand why that is so difficult for some people to understand. Whether you do your own due diligence or not - you get some information from some reliable source even if it is USATODAY stats - you usually expect it to be accurate.

 
I would like to see them focus on getting out the top 250 and accurate rankings as soon as possible, as in this should be their #1 focus each week. I need to get any waiver claims in by Tuesday night and often I don't have an updated list to go off by then.

 
They have dropped the ball all year with the rankings. I have emailed them 3 times already this season to unsubscribe because of that and better services elsewhere, and they can't even give a bother enough to unsubscribe me. I don't even care about the $30. It's really a point of illustrating how out of touch they've become. Energy into the product was way down this year.

 
I just think that if the TOP 250 is not going to be updated it should be left on the day it was posted as accurate for that day. Don't fail to update it but then roll it forward into other days. At least I know if I go to Wednesday to look at it - I expect Wednesdays data. If I look at something posted under Friday - I expect it to be based on Friday's data.I don't understand why that is so difficult for some people to understand. Whether you do your own due diligence or not - you get some information from some reliable source even if it is USATODAY stats - you usually expect it to be accurate.
You're right. I'll stand down. Guess I just get tired of complaining--not only here. Apologies if I offended anyone.
 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. I don't have time to read a bunch of articles. I pay for those rankings to help me make lineup decisions, add/drop and trade decisions, etc. Other than the Subscriber Contest the rankings are the only reason I continue to subscribe.
+1
Funny how everyone wants to rely on someone else to be their brain for them. That's what separates the men from the boys. If you don't have the time to spend on the hobby, why play?
Sorry, but you are wrong here.yes, I agree - do your own homework. I do, and most of my leaguemates do,. But it has zero to do with this complaint.You are completely missing the point - FBG advertises that you will dominate your league if you subscribe, because they provide you with the most up-to-date info.They failed to do that in this case. Plain and simple. It was lazy. There's really no defense for that. No matter how much you want to put the responsibility on the player, you can't defend that fact. Stop trying. It's not about who is responsible for their fantasy football decisions (that's completely deflecting the argument)- it's about owning a business and doing what you said you would do. Do you disagree with that? FBG sells information as their product. And they say that information will be up to date. That means dropping FJax from their rankings when he goes on IR. Period. It's not complicated, and it has nothing to do with separating the men from the boys, etc. I am usually on FBG's side in these kinds of complaints, but here they clearly dropped the ball.
 
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There have been errors and oddities in the rankings throughout the year -- much more so than in years past. It's been pretty clear that the powers-that-be don't welcome or implement feedback, so there's really nothing to do about it. I've been coming to the site since way back on the original yellow board and the quality has slipped this year in a noticeable way.

 
I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. I don't have time to read a bunch of articles. I pay for those rankings to help me make lineup decisions, add/drop and trade decisions, etc. Other than the Subscriber Contest the rankings are the only reason I continue to subscribe.
+1
Funny how everyone wants to rely on someone else to be their brain for them. That's what separates the men from the boys. If you don't have the time to spend on the hobby, why play?
Sorry, but you are wrong here.yes, I agree - do your own homework. I do, and most of my leaguemates do,. But it has zero to do with this complaint.You are completely missing the point - FBG advertises that you will dominate your league if you subscribe, because they provide you with the most up-to-date info.They failed to do that in this case. Plain and simple. It was lazy. There's really no defense for that. No matter how hard you want to put the responsibility on the player, you can't defend that fact. Stop trying. It's not about who is responsible for their fantasy football decisions (that's completely deflecting the argument)- it's about owning a business and doing what you said you would do. Do you disagree with that? FBG sells information as their product. And they say that information will be up to date. That means dropping FJax from their rankings when he goes on IR. Period. It's not complicated, and it has nothing to do separating the men from the boys, etc. I usually am on FBG's side in these kinds of complaints, but here they clearly dropped the ball.
I don't subscribe to FBGs, so I don't really give a crap about their rankings. I would never pay a fantasy site for information, nor do I need to.
 
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I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. I don't have time to read a bunch of articles. I pay for those rankings to help me make lineup decisions, add/drop and trade decisions, etc. Other than the Subscriber Contest the rankings are the only reason I continue to subscribe.
+1
Funny how everyone wants to rely on someone else to be their brain for them. That's what separates the men from the boys. If you don't have the time to spend on the hobby, why play?
Sorry, but you are wrong here.yes, I agree - do your own homework. I do, and most of my leaguemates do,. But it has zero to do with this complaint.You are completely missing the point - FBG advertises that you will dominate your league if you subscribe, because they provide you with the most up-to-date info.They failed to do that in this case. Plain and simple. It was lazy. There's really no defense for that. No matter how hard you want to put the responsibility on the player, you can't defend that fact. Stop trying. It's not about who is responsible for their fantasy football decisions (that's completely deflecting the argument)- it's about owning a business and doing what you said you would do. Do you disagree with that? FBG sells information as their product. And they say that information will be up to date. That means dropping FJax from their rankings when he goes on IR. Period. It's not complicated, and it has nothing to do separating the men from the boys, etc. I usually am on FBG's side in these kinds of complaints, but here they clearly dropped the ball.
I don't subscribe to FBGs, so I don't really give a crap about their rankings. I would never pay a fantasy site for information, nor do I need to.
Stay out of this thread then it has nothing to do with you or your pompous attitude.
 
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I do my own rankings and don't pay specifically for them here, but I do use them as a cross check. If a certain player seems out of whack to me (some of Waldman's selections come to mind, like Steve Smith as the #3 WR overall) it will cause me to reevaluate my own rankings and then either accept it as valid or dismiss it as an outlier. I personally find it invaluable to have to rethink my position on certain players even if I eventually conclude that a specific ranking is out of left field.

 
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I think FBGs should ditch rankings and concentrate on other facets of the hobby, such as interesting articles, dynasty analysis, the draft year round, etc. People shouldn't rely a a fantasy site for ranking players. Any decent fantasy players knows how to rank players and relies on their own internal rankings.
Couldn't possibly disagree more. I don't have time to read a bunch of articles. I pay for those rankings to help me make lineup decisions, add/drop and trade decisions, etc. Other than the Subscriber Contest the rankings are the only reason I continue to subscribe.
+1
Funny how everyone wants to rely on someone else to be their brain for them. That's what separates the men from the boys. If you don't have the time to spend on the hobby, why play?
Sorry, but you are wrong here.yes, I agree - do your own homework. I do, and most of my leaguemates do,. But it has zero to do with this complaint.You are completely missing the point - FBG advertises that you will dominate your league if you subscribe, because they provide you with the most up-to-date info.They failed to do that in this case. Plain and simple. It was lazy. There's really no defense for that. No matter how hard you want to put the responsibility on the player, you can't defend that fact. Stop trying. It's not about who is responsible for their fantasy football decisions (that's completely deflecting the argument)- it's about owning a business and doing what you said you would do. Do you disagree with that? FBG sells information as their product. And they say that information will be up to date. That means dropping FJax from their rankings when he goes on IR. Period. It's not complicated, and it has nothing to do separating the men from the boys, etc. I usually am on FBG's side in these kinds of complaints, but here they clearly dropped the ball.
I don't subscribe to FBGs, so I don't really give a crap about their rankings. I would never pay a fantasy site for information, nor do I need to.
That's really, really great. It doesn't change the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about in regards to this issue.
 

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