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It wasn't long ago that all three of these players were major parts of fantasy championships. In fact, we only have to look back to last season to see Holt being a Top 10 WR in many PPR leagues and Taylor being a strong flex option. Heap at one time was one of the few elite fantasy TEs in the game.

But now? They're done.

They're not only worthless from a fantasy perspective but they're worthless from an NFL perspective too.

Heap has been absolutely miserable this season. When your QB looks better catching the ball than you do, it's time to go. I realize the Ravens' passing game isn't exactly the Mike Martz-led Rams, but Heap isn't even doing that great of a job of blocking. He just looks finished.

Taylor did a good job the past few years of eluding Father Time. The timeshare with Maurice Jones-Drew appeared to give him an extra year or two of energy. But he looks old, worn out and pathetic running the ball. The Jags have had issues on the ground this season. That's definitely true. But Taylor doesn't appear to have any burst at all in most of his runs. He just plows into the pile and falls down. He reminds me of Eddie George in his final couple of seasons.

Holt has been discussed ad nauseum in this forum. He's finished as a bigtime WR and is a distant second in terms of the top WRs on his own team. When Dante Hall is outproducing you on more than one occasion during the season (which has now happened twice), the signs are pretty strong your best days are in the past.

Holt and Taylor are very likely future Hall of Famers. All three of these players have been great fantasy producers for many seasons of their careers. But it's not only sad seeing how pathetic they're doing in fantasy, it's sad to see how bad they've become as NFL players.

 
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Heap has been forced to block more this year due to the Ravens starting a rookie QB, plus the injuries on the line. He has only had 26 targets all year. No TE can do anything with those numbers. Heap is also only 28 years old.

Holt may not be the elite top 10 WR, but it's still too early to write him off as a viable fantasy starter. Prior to the last couple of games, the Rams had no other WRs to take the pressure off Holt. He has been doubled all year. Now that Avery is stepping up his game, Holt should see more opportunities. I still think he has plenty left, although maybe not at the elite top 10 stud level we are accustomed too. When I see Holt play, he doesn't look done.

Taylor is nearing the end, but he isn't solely to blame. The Jags lost both guards for the year and their starting center has been hurt all year. MJD hasn't done much either, except for 100 yard games against the Colts and Broncos, two of the worst run defenses in the league. While I don't think Taylor has a whole lot left in the tank, the Jags line is the biggest reason for Taylor's struggles. After all, MJD is struggling to run the ball consistently too.

I think you missed the boat on Heap, are probably more right than wrong about Taylor, and in the middle on Holt. I think Holt has a lot left, but not as a WR1. He has plenty of value to the Rams.

 
Watching all three this year has been painful, Anthony. Holt looks totally washed up. He looks like a glorified possession receiver. If his name wasn't Torry Holt, you'd be wondering how this guy is even starting in the NFL. Same with Taylor. I realize the Jags have had offensive line issues but he's just a plodder. He runs into the line, gets two or three yards and falls down. His running style is much different than Eddie George's, but every time I watch Taylor this season (and I've seen every Jags game), he reminds me of how brutal George was in his final couple of seasons.

Heap is stuck in a terrible offense and has to block a lot. But Derrick Mason is still making plays nearly every week so it's not like the entire passing game is being destroyed. Heap's older than his age due to all of his injuries. But he just looks done.

I'd add Joey Galloway to the list too but he's been finished since Week 2 for all intents and purposes.

 
Heap's targets have been limited, but he's also dropping fairly easy passes that he used to be able to catch with his eyes closed - he had a couple more yesterday. He looks healthy to me, but he's just not right for some reason.

 
I thought Holt was going to be done last year with his knee trouble but he proved me wrong. Unfortunately I have him in two leagues this year, hoping he'd repeat last year. He's not startable even as a WR #3. He's just done.

 
Holt has been discussed ad nauseum in this forum.
Yes, it seems like you start a new thread about him every week.
That's because I've been curious as to how other Holt owners are dealing with his poor play. This forum has a wealth of valuable information and I like to see how other owners of players I have (and even those I don't) are dealing with certain issues.But thanks for the response even if your snide remark added nothing of substance to the discussion.
 
You forgot Edge James...he's all kinds of phail right now, although I don't know what the Cardinals can expect when he only gets 7 touches in 1 game.

 
Heap is not even close to being done; inadequate targets, period.

TO may have lost a step, but he's definitely impacted by press coverage; always has been.

Holt: don't know, since I haven't watched him play.

Taylor: Oline issues mostly, but I have seen a decline in his play.

 
add TO to the list...
I don't think he's done. I think he's like Steve Smith last year - he's being killed because his QB is putrid. When Romo returns I'd expect TO's production to improve.
He wasn't doing too well with Romo in there, fwiw.
The receptions and yards were down but the TD output was strong. Touchdowns cure a lot of ills in fantasy.
TD's also tend to be a less consistent stat.
 
add TO to the list...
I don't think he's done. I think he's like Steve Smith last year - he's being killed because his QB is putrid. When Romo returns I'd expect TO's production to improve.
He wasn't doing too well with Romo in there, fwiw.
The receptions and yards were down but the TD output was strong. Touchdowns cure a lot of ills in fantasy.
TD's also tend to be a less consistent stat.
I agree but his touchdown production was consistent with Romo at QB so there's reason to believe that will occur when Romo returns - assuming Romo can return to full health.
 
add TO to the list...
I don't think he's done. I think he's like Steve Smith last year - he's being killed because his QB is putrid. When Romo returns I'd expect TO's production to improve.
He wasn't doing too well with Romo in there, fwiw.
The receptions and yards were down but the TD output was strong. Touchdowns cure a lot of ills in fantasy.
Roy Williams will cut down on those as well, especially in the red zone.
 
it took a while, but i'm finally in agreement on Holt. luckily i benched him for Nate this week. he's permanently seated on the pine until further notice. it's a shame, he's always been one of my favorite players. i've always had a soft spot for small-ish WRs

 
I just don't think TO is done as a football player. I think Holt is done. There are 64 starting WRs in the NFL and he's probably in the 50-55 range. He's really really bad. I think Taylor is done as a RB. He just looks terrible. Heap looks bad. Edge looks bad. Galloway may never be the same again. I think TO is still a very good football player who's currently being rendered useless because his QB is awful.

 
I've had Holt on my team most years since he entered the NFL. I greatly downgraded him entering this year for two reasons; his knee injury, especially because it more a degenerative thing and because of Linehan's play calling.

Even the most healthy elite WRs have a hard time maintaining their productivity once they get over 31-31 years old.

Fred Taylor has not looked bad. He is getting everyhting he possibly can with that horrible OL. He is running exceptionally hard.

 
I'd add Joey Galloway to the list too but he's been finished since Week 2 for all intents and purposes.
Galloway was done in 1998. Anything he did after that was gravy.
The guy's got 3400 yards and 23 TD's over the last three years, and has not exactly had a stellar group of QB's throwing him the ball, or other receiving targets to draw coverage away from him, either then or previously. He may have finally reached the end of the line this year, but regardin the last decade there are a hell of a lot of WR's in the NFL who should be so "done".
 
I think TO is still a very good football player who's currently being rendered useless because his QB is awful.
Not so sure it has to do with the change at QB.TO was averaging 3.8 catches per game with Romo as QB this season and he is averaging 3.5 catches with Johnson as QB.He's a 34 y.o. recevier that is past his prime. With the addition of Roy Williams and I think that you will only see sub par production from him going forward. The days of a 10 catch 150 yard performance are behind him. He may not be completely done but he is well on his way.
 
I just don't think TO is done as a football player. I think Holt is done. There are 64 starting WRs in the NFL and he's probably in the 50-55 range. He's really really bad. I think Taylor is done as a RB. He just looks terrible. Heap looks bad. Edge looks bad. Galloway may never be the same again. I think TO is still a very good football player who's currently being rendered useless because his QB is awful.
This isn't close to being true.
 
I just don't think TO is done as a football player. I think Holt is done. There are 64 starting WRs in the NFL and he's probably in the 50-55 range. He's really really bad. I think Taylor is done as a RB. He just looks terrible. Heap looks bad. Edge looks bad. Galloway may never be the same again. I think TO is still a very good football player who's currently being rendered useless because his QB is awful.
No chance this is true. NoneEdit-what chunky said.

 
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Let you know about Holt after the Arizona game, can't bust 50yds and a td against that secondary, time to go out to pasture. Think he steps up, but not sure.

 
As a Holt owner I haven't started him since week 2, but have not dropped him. Why?

First, he needed to get free of Linehan whom he despised, happened.

Secondly, he needed Bulger to step up play, happened.

Third, needed a threat to emerge on opposite side, happening.

He'll stay on my bench for the foreseeable future, but I am looking at the playoffs and if you hold Holt you should too.

Arz, Sea, SF. Those are his playoff matchups. If you can find a guy with his track record and matchups on the ww get him. Of course I won't use him if his numbers dont improve but.......

Things change quickly in the NFL and at the very least one of my opponents won't be using Holt to beat me at crunchtime.

 
As a Holt owner I haven't started him since week 2, but have not dropped him. Why?First, he needed to get free of Linehan whom he despised, happened.Secondly, he needed Bulger to step up play, happened.Third, needed a threat to emerge on opposite side, happening.He'll stay on my bench for the foreseeable future, but I am looking at the playoffs and if you hold Holt you should too.Arz, Sea, SF. Those are his playoff matchups. If you can find a guy with his track record and matchups on the ww get him. Of course I won't use him if his numbers dont improve but.......Things change quickly in the NFL and at the very least one of my opponents won't be using Holt to beat me at crunchtime.
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People saying Holt is "really really bad", are you basing this on the statistics or watching STL games?
Both. For those who don't think he's a terrible starting WR tell me what is he doing well? If I'm missing something let me know. Avery's having no trouble putting up big numbers. Even Dante Hall has done well in a couple of games. But there's Torry Holt, catching his 3-4 passes for 30-40 yards every week. What am I missing? What is he doing that still makes him a good NFL wide receiver?
 
People saying Holt is "really really bad", are you basing this on the statistics or watching STL games?
Both. For those who don't think he's a terrible starting WR tell me what is he doing well? If I'm missing something let me know. Avery's having no trouble putting up big numbers. Even Dante Hall has done well in a couple of games. But there's Torry Holt, catching his 3-4 passes for 30-40 yards every week. What am I missing? What is he doing that still makes him a good NFL wide receiver?
I not disagreeing with you, his play has slipped some, but you are taking it overboard. You make it seem like Avery has gotten 100 yds every week. Before yesterday he had worse stats than Holt on the year. Dante Hall's best game is 47 yards? You really think Holt is the 55th best WR in the league right now?
 
I'd add Joey Galloway to the list too but he's been finished since Week 2 for all intents and purposes.
Galloway was done in 1998. Anything he did after that was gravy.
The guy's got 3400 yards and 23 TD's over the last three years, and has not exactly had a stellar group of QB's throwing him the ball, or other receiving targets to draw coverage away from him, either then or previously. He may have finally reached the end of the line this year, but regardin the last decade there are a hell of a lot of WR's in the NFL who should be so "done".
I guess it's just difficult to think of Galloway as a "former star" because he's only put up Top-10 numbers one time in the past 11 seasons.Not questioning his talent -- just his status as a fantasy "star".

 
I think anyone who drafted Holt and didn't move him early in a trade has to hold at this point, for these reasons:1. The schedule appears to be easier going forward.2. Avery has emerged in the past couple of games and should draw some attention away from Holt. Plus, Bennett is supposedly 1-2 weeks from returning, which could also help.3. Linehan was feuding with Holt and didn't try to get him the ball enough. In his first game under Haslett, Holt had almost twice as many targets (11) as he averaged under Linehan (6) this year. This followed the team's statement that they would move him around more rather than just keeping him at the X position in an effort to get him the ball more, so I expect increased targets to continue. An increase in production should follow an increase in opportunity. Holt's targets this year:Week 1 (Linehan) - 2Week 2 (Linehan) - 7Week 3 (Linehan) - 8Week 4 (Linehan) - 7Week 6 (Haslett) - 114. Holt has historically been significantly better at home than on the road (based on FBG scoring), and that trend has continued so far this year:+2.9 ppg (12.6 to 9.7) for his career+4.3 ppg (14.2 to 9.9) since start of 2003 (5 preceding years plus this year)+4.9 ppg (12.4 to 7.5) since start of 2006 (2 preceding years plus this year)+7.8 ppg (10.1 to 2.3) in 5 games this year6 of Holt's remaining 11 games are at home. And one of the road games is in week 17, when many leagues have ended... so for many leagues, it is 6 of 10 home games. As for fantasy playoffs, he is @ARI in week 14 and then home in weeks 15 and 16.If I didn't already have Holt, I'd be looking to get him cheap. If you can pull it off and have enough depth, you could just get him and start him at home, but I'd go after him even if you have to start him every week from here forward.
Posted this two weeks ago. While I am disappointed he hasn't improved his play yet, I have not given up hope. He has 5 of 8 games through week 16 (i.e., through many leagues' fantasy playoffs) at home. Updating the numbers above, this year, he is averaging 8.4 ppg at home and 2.4 ppg on the road (FBG scoring). Now, 8.4 ppg is not setting the world on fire, but it's good enough to start him at home in many leagues, depending on league format.I play in a 16 team redraft that starts 3 WRs, and 68 WRs are rostered... so there is absolutely no doubt he is startable. I have started him every week other than his bye week all season, and I plan to stick with him, in part due to a lack of better alternatives and in part due to my expectation that he will be better down the stretch.Unfortunately, the past two weeks he had a total of only 12 targets. However, his 5 targets vs. Dallas are likely explained by the low number of attempts that week - 19 - as St. Louis cruised to an easy victory. His 7 targets on Bulger's 34 attempts are a bit more troubling... Avery had 10. I was not able to see yesterday's game, so I don't know how New England played their coverage... perhaps someone can comment on that.
 
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Probably a stretch to say he's done, as he's stuck behind a very productive rookie that the coaching staff has obviously anointed as their guy.Plus, he's still only a year off his very bad injury - I'd like to see what he can do next year in another uniform with maybe a better opportunity.
 
I just don't think TO is done as a football player. I think Holt is done. There are 64 starting WRs in the NFL and he's probably in the 50-55 range. He's really really bad. I think Taylor is done as a RB. He just looks terrible. Heap looks bad. Edge looks bad. Galloway may never be the same again. I think TO is still a very good football player who's currently being rendered useless because his QB is awful.
This isn't close to being true.
In a dynasty league there are 40 WRs I would rather have, his value is similar to Marvin Harrison's
 
People saying Holt is "really really bad", are you basing this on the statistics or watching STL games?
Both. For those who don't think he's a terrible starting WR tell me what is he doing well? If I'm missing something let me know. Avery's having no trouble putting up big numbers. Even Dante Hall has done well in a couple of games. But there's Torry Holt, catching his 3-4 passes for 30-40 yards every week. What am I missing? What is he doing that still makes him a good NFL wide receiver?
I not disagreeing with you, his play has slipped some, but you are taking it overboard. You make it seem like Avery has gotten 100 yds every week. Before yesterday he had worse stats than Holt on the year. Dante Hall's best game is 47 yards? You really think Holt is the 55th best WR in the league right now?
I think what Avery has done consistently since becoming a starter is bring a threat to the Rams' offense. He scored his first TD as a runner and he's been putting up quality receiving numbers since that game. Holt isn't threatening the defense in any way. And Dante Hall's best game in terms of yardage is better than Holt has had in the majority of his games. Ask yourself this if you replaced the name Torry Holt with Joe Smith and I told you that WR was averaging three receptions and 40 yards a game, where would you rank him? Holt is being cut A LOT of slack in my opinion (I've been guilty of it too) because he's Torry Holt. But that's the point of this thread. He isn't Torry Holt any longer. Could things change and he produces better? Sure, it's difficult to see him getting any worse so anything would be an improvement at this point. But the guy looks washed up to me. I'm not seeing anything on the football field that leads me to think he's a good NFL WR at this point. The same with Taylor at RB and Heap at TE and Edge at RB as well. These are all former great players who right now don't look like very good NFL players.If I'm missing something with Holt, let me know. I'm not being a d**k because I'd love for someone to convince me that I'm missing something and Holt isn't as utterly awful as his play on the field right now strongly indicates he is. I'm a fan of the guy and have been for years but it's painful watching him play right now. Same with Taylor, who's another guy I've really enjoyed watching during his career.
 
His 7 targets on Bulger's 34 attempts are a bit more troubling... Avery had 10. I was not able to see yesterday's game, so I don't know how New England played their coverage... perhaps someone can comment on that.
I second JWB's query to anyone else out there who saw the NE game. Was Holt drawing all the double teams, allowing Avery to prosper? If so, Avery's great game could motivate defenses going forward to balance their coverage more. That would benefit Holt. If that wasn't the case .... :unsure:
 
As a Holt owner I haven't started him since week 2, but have not dropped him. Why?First, he needed to get free of Linehan whom he despised, happened.Secondly, he needed Bulger to step up play, happened.Third, needed a threat to emerge on opposite side, happening.He'll stay on my bench for the foreseeable future, but I am looking at the playoffs and if you hold Holt you should too.Arz, Sea, SF. Those are his playoff matchups. If you can find a guy with his track record and matchups on the ww get him. Of course I won't use him if his numbers dont improve but.......Things change quickly in the NFL and at the very least one of my opponents won't be using Holt to beat me at crunchtime.
Im holding Holt in 5 leagues for this reason.
 
As a Holt owner I haven't started him since week 2, but have not dropped him. Why?First, he needed to get free of Linehan whom he despised, happened.Secondly, he needed Bulger to step up play, happened.Third, needed a threat to emerge on opposite side, happening.He'll stay on my bench for the foreseeable future, but I am looking at the playoffs and if you hold Holt you should too.Arz, Sea, SF. Those are his playoff matchups. If you can find a guy with his track record and matchups on the ww get him. Of course I won't use him if his numbers dont improve but.......Things change quickly in the NFL and at the very least one of my opponents won't be using Holt to beat me at crunchtime.
I see these points as ones that prove that Holt is not going to be productive this year. Early on, there were a few things to blame for his performance -- coach not involving him in the gameplan, the absence of a threat opposite to draaw away double teams and zone coverage, Bulger's play in the toilet, etc.Now, things have turned around for the Rams -- they have a new gameplan with a new coach, they have been successful and started to win games and be competitive in others, Avery and Bulger have stepped up to make the passing offence multidimensional -- and STILL Holt is a fantasy-no show.I'm not saying he is done, or that he has zero chance for him to turn it all around. But to use your words, things change quickly in the NFL, and you cannot depend on name brand, track records or the hopes of a future breakout when all signs seem to point the other way.Holt may have a good game or two down the stretch, but it's Avery who is going to continue to make much more of a difference fantasy-wise, IMHO.
 
add TO to the list...
I don't think he's done. I think he's like Steve Smith last year - he's being killed because his QB is putrid. When Romo returns I'd expect TO's production to improve.
He wasn't doing too well with Romo in there, fwiw.
The receptions and yards were down but the TD output was strong. Touchdowns cure a lot of ills in fantasy.
Romo being gone is only a portion of TO's problem. TO can't get the same separation anymore. TO has not had a game with more than 89 yards in like 14 games now. He is not the same player, yet many people refuse to accept that occurrence.Even with Romo, his production had been pretty bad this year.I argued that he was facing a steep decline this summer on this very message board, and 90% of the message board said this would not happen to TO this year because of his conditioning and his being on the Cowboys. Wrong. He is in a steep decline RIGHT NOW. His physical abilities are waning. He has good speed when he gets in the clear, but he is NOT the same player anymore.

Recognizing these situations just before they happen is a key to a successful draft - avoiding the land mines.

 
As a Holt owner I haven't started him since week 2, but have not dropped him. Why?First, he needed to get free of Linehan whom he despised, happened.Secondly, he needed Bulger to step up play, happened.Third, needed a threat to emerge on opposite side, happening.He'll stay on my bench for the foreseeable future, but I am looking at the playoffs and if you hold Holt you should too.Arz, Sea, SF. Those are his playoff matchups. If you can find a guy with his track record and matchups on the ww get him. Of course I won't use him if his numbers dont improve but.......Things change quickly in the NFL and at the very least one of my opponents won't be using Holt to beat me at crunchtime.
I see these points as ones that prove that Holt is not going to be productive this year. Early on, there were a few things to blame for his performance -- coach not involving him in the gameplan, the absence of a threat opposite to draaw away double teams and zone coverage, Bulger's play in the toilet, etc.Now, things have turned around for the Rams -- they have a new gameplan with a new coach, they have been successful and started to win games and be competitive in others, Avery and Bulger have stepped up to make the passing offence multidimensional -- and STILL Holt is a fantasy-no show.I'm not saying he is done, or that he has zero chance for him to turn it all around. But to use your words, things change quickly in the NFL, and you cannot depend on name brand, track records or the hopes of a future breakout when all signs seem to point the other way.Holt may have a good game or two down the stretch, but it's Avery who is going to continue to make much more of a difference fantasy-wise, IMHO.
That's my take too. The Rams have had good matchups the past two games against injury depleted secondaries. Who took advantage of those matchups? Avery. Holt stunk as usual. I'm not sure good matchups are enough to save him at this point. I wouldn't rule out him having a good game at home against the Cardinals next Sunday but at this point you'd have to be incredibly desperate, a member of Holt's immediate family or incredibly brave to start him given how bad he's been.
 
add TO to the list...
I don't think he's done. I think he's like Steve Smith last year - he's being killed because his QB is putrid. When Romo returns I'd expect TO's production to improve.
He wasn't doing too well with Romo in there, fwiw.
The receptions and yards were down but the TD output was strong. Touchdowns cure a lot of ills in fantasy.
Romo being gone is only a portion of TO's problem. TO can't get the same separation anymore. TO has not had a game with more than 89 yards in like 14 games now. He is not the same player, yet many people refuse to accept that occurrence.Even with Romo, his production had been pretty bad this year.I argued that he was facing a steep decline this summer on this very message board, and 90% of the message board said this would not happen to TO this year because of his conditioning and his being on the Cowboys. Wrong. He is in a steep decline RIGHT NOW. His physical abilities are waning. He has good speed when he gets in the clear, but he is NOT the same player anymore.

Recognizing these situations just before they happen is a key to a successful draft - avoiding the land mines.
So you predicted before this season that TO's production would decline significantly?
 
packersfan said:
buck naked said:
add TO to the list...
I don't think he's done. I think he's like Steve Smith last year - he's being killed because his QB is putrid. When Romo returns I'd expect TO's production to improve.
He wasn't doing too well with Romo in there, fwiw.
The receptions and yards were down but the TD output was strong. Touchdowns cure a lot of ills in fantasy.
Romo being gone is only a portion of TO's problem. TO can't get the same separation anymore. TO has not had a game with more than 89 yards in like 14 games now. He is not the same player, yet many people refuse to accept that occurrence.Even with Romo, his production had been pretty bad this year.I argued that he was facing a steep decline this summer on this very message board, and 90% of the message board said this would not happen to TO this year because of his conditioning and his being on the Cowboys. Wrong. He is in a steep decline RIGHT NOW. His physical abilities are waning. He has good speed when he gets in the clear, but he is NOT the same player anymore.

Recognizing these situations just before they happen is a key to a successful draft - avoiding the land mines.
So you predicted before this season that TO's production would decline significantly?
I said it a little less strongly than the way you just said it. I said the steep decline happens to everybody. TO was at that age where it happens, even to the best of them - Rod Smith, Jimmy Smith, etc. If it wasn't this year, it was coming in the next year or so.The point was - why assume that additional risk with a late 1st/2nd round pick when you could take Fitzgerald or someone similar instead?

 
packersfan said:
buck naked said:
add TO to the list...
I don't think he's done. I think he's like Steve Smith last year - he's being killed because his QB is putrid. When Romo returns I'd expect TO's production to improve.
He wasn't doing too well with Romo in there, fwiw.
The receptions and yards were down but the TD output was strong. Touchdowns cure a lot of ills in fantasy.
Romo being gone is only a portion of TO's problem. TO can't get the same separation anymore. TO has not had a game with more than 89 yards in like 14 games now. He is not the same player, yet many people refuse to accept that occurrence.Even with Romo, his production had been pretty bad this year.I argued that he was facing a steep decline this summer on this very message board, and 90% of the message board said this would not happen to TO this year because of his conditioning and his being on the Cowboys. Wrong. He is in a steep decline RIGHT NOW. His physical abilities are waning. He has good speed when he gets in the clear, but he is NOT the same player anymore.

Recognizing these situations just before they happen is a key to a successful draft - avoiding the land mines.
So you predicted before this season that TO's production would decline significantly?
I said it a little less strongly than the way you just said it. I said the steep decline happens to everybody. TO was at that age where it happens, even to the best of them - Rod Smith, Jimmy Smith, etc. If it wasn't this year, it was coming in the next year or so.The point was - why assume that additional risk with a late 1st/2nd round pick when you could take Fitzgerald or someone similar instead?
Good call. :yes:
 
packersfan said:
at this point you'd have to be incredibly desperate, a member of Holt's immediate family or incredibly brave to start him given how bad he's been.
Or you have to play in large leagues, like a 16 team league that starts 3 WRs. That's my situation.
 

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