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Agree that he's a real option at flex, but also: Tate had 9 fantasy points on the first drive last game. He's getting mixed in whether the score is close or not.
I agree. For this week, I think both RBs could go off. If you look at Tampa's run D, they have allowed several games where the opposition has run 30 times for 175 yards and two TDs.
Tate ripped off a near 30yd TD for those points. Because Foster was taken off for a rest after doing the brunt work (his job).Tate wont see the redzone. so unless he rips off a big one like this week, he wont be getting 9point drives very often, unless the game is sealed and it's 4th quarter.
That's not true. Watch yesterday's game as prime example and he scored before Foster.I think with AJ out and now their defense ranked #1 and with Schaub having an off year the Texans are going to swap them out more and more as the season goes on. Both will have opportunities to score which is all you ask for. Hell both currently have over 600 rushing yards to date. Wish I had him, would have played him over Blount and Beanie yesterday.
When Ryan talks about ground and pound I bet he wishes he had Tate and Foster who really are ground and pound. Tate had a number of long runs and both look like elite RBs so far. I really can't see a situation where Tate will be an afterthought in their system going forward so no reason to not get your 1B RB into the game
It's actually 100% true. While the game is still in doubt, the Texans have used Tate as strictly a backup, bringing him in only to replace Foster when he needs a breather. If I need to pull the game logs for the past 3 contests I will, but take me at my word that this is fact because it is and has been verified by game log recaps in several threads already. The touchdown was merely result of a GREAT run by Tate that allowed him to score from roughly 30 yards out. Had he been tackled short, he would not have ended up with the touchdown.Again, against weak opponents, where you can feel comfortable projecting the Texans to win comfortably, I think Tate can be used. Against anything but those type of opponents, you are risking starting a player who will only see 5-8 touches in the game and doesn't get goal line carries. That's not a position I want to put myself in.That's not true. Watch yesterday's game as prime example and he scored before Foster.
I think with AJ out and now their defense ranked #1 and with Schaub having an off year the Texans are going to swap them out more and more as the season goes on. Both will have opportunities to score which is all you ask for. Hell both currently have over 600 rushing yards to date. Wish I had him, would have played him over Blount and Beanie yesterday.
I agree that he won't see the redzone most weeks, but he's averaging something like 10 carries a game when he and Foster are both healthy, behind one of the best lines in football. Definitely worth a flex, especially at his ypc and with his ability to break the long run.
No it's not. Tate has been brought in the game in every situation this year. Up or down, to spell Foster or not. I've watched every Texans game and he also had other great runs besides that TD run. He has the talent and power to score and better than most backs with limited carries. In my league he's #10 in rushing yards.For the Texans to win, BOTH are going to have to produce. They'll use him against strong and weaker opponents just like they have been doing this year.It's actually 100% true. While the game is still in doubt, the Texans have used Tate as strictly a backup, bringing him in only to replace Foster when he needs a breather. If I need to pull the game logs for the past 3 contests I will, but take me at my word that this is fact because it is and has been verified by game log recaps in several threads already. The touchdown was merely result of a GREAT run by Tate that allowed him to score from roughly 30 yards out. Had he been tackled short, he would not have ended up with the touchdown.Again, against weak opponents, where you can feel comfortable projecting the Texans to win comfortably, I think Tate can be used. Against anything but those type of opponents, you are risking starting a player who will only see 5-8 touches in the game and doesn't get goal line carries. That's not a position I want to put myself in.That's not true. Watch yesterday's game as prime example and he scored before Foster.
I think with AJ out and now their defense ranked #1 and with Schaub having an off year the Texans are going to swap them out more and more as the season goes on. Both will have opportunities to score which is all you ask for. Hell both currently have over 600 rushing yards to date. Wish I had him, would have played him over Blount and Beanie yesterday.
I wouldn't call his use on the first drive "mixed in". That to me suggests they were alternating every few plays or something. Foster was in for all of the plays of the drive until he had a pass and then 3 straight rushes in a row. Tate often comes in for 2 plays to spell Foster, and it often happens just outside of the red zone so Foster will be fresh for the red zone offense. His usage was very consistent with the past of only being in for a Foster breather, until the game is well in hand. Difference being, this time he had some big gains including breaking a TD from outside the 30 when he had those touches.On the OP's question, I do think he can be a RB2 start against an opponent you expect the Texans to get up early on. I probably wouldn't use him as other than a flex for anyone else though. I had him in my lineup with Peterson on bye early in the week, but swapped him out for Brandon Jacobs later on. I think we might see a slight uptick in Tate'susage, but not a major amount. He still hasn't shown an ability at all to fill in for what Foster brings to the Texans passing game, which is a lot. Tate had a chance for a huge gain on a pass against the Browns, one he could have possibly taken to the house, and dropped it. It wasn't the best throw, but it should have been caught. When the game isn't hand, the coaches are going to prefer to have Foster in there if they can.
Rushes only when both are playing (week 2, then week 4 onwards):Foster v Tate
Exactly so how does that contradict my quote? He's been brought in all different situations. You also said expect 5 - 8 touches, that won't happen going forward and can't see how you came up with that low amount. Unless Tate gets hurt you aren't going to see 5 -8 touches once for any game the entire year.
That's about 33% of what I said.and 5-8 is VERY plausible when AJ comes back, and if games are tight. Foster is a 20+ touch back, no matter how you slice it.
That definition would certainly make this conversation confusing.
A lot of "ifs" thrown in this thread. I never said Foster wasn't a 20 touch back. Schaub just isn't that great this year + no AJ so run, run, run is the key to their wins (and defense) so enough chances for Tate to rack up numbers. How was he vs. Benie and Tolbert for example? Think of Foster and Tate as 1A and 1B backs cause Tate would start for a lot of teams RIGHT NOW. Makes no sense to give Tate 10+ touches going forward plus you'll know there's some awful end of the season teams they will face giving Tate even more chances. He won't get more touches than Foster, I never said that but they are a run team now and clearly know both players are special and need to be used.
The point was that Tate didn't only come in to spell Foster. This isn't new. And yes he does come in when Foster needs a breather but that's not the ONLY time Tate comes into the game.
Exactly. We're talking about a guy who only gets an average of about 1/3 of the carries, sure - but it's 1/3 of the 30+ carries, and he's averaging very high ypc, which makes him as valuable as some starting running backs. Definitely as valuable as a number of WR options. Great flex option.
Exactly. I think a lot of people equate non starter RB with pretty much automatic low output. That's generally true but not in this case. Would have loved having Tate and would have started him over the likes of Blount and Beanie Wells that's for sure.And just think it wasn't long ago where HOU drafted Tate and had no idea how Foster would turn out. They went to one of the poorest to richest RB backfield in the entire NFL.
I think people see "30% of carries" and think "Ron Dayne 2002" instead of "Bo Jackson 1987". Not that Tate is Bo Jackson or anything, but he's got a real chance at production in limited touches this year.
there will never be an equal split while Foster is healthy. you have to have a pretty bad RB2 to hope to get big production out of 7-10 carries from Tate. you are hoping for a long TD to get you 10-12 or you will likely be stuck with 3-5 points. I would guess Tate will average somewhere around 6 points rest of year until week 16 and 17 when they play Colts and Titans again.I have Foster and not Tate
Maybe we're splitting hairs too much, but my point was that I didn't agree with you. The vast majority of Tate's playing time until the game was one-sided, came from spelling Foster.I believe in the first 43 minutes of the game, Tate was on the field for 7 plays. Of those, 6 came on a Foster breather after 3 or 4 carries in a row, or after the 40 yards on 2 straight runs Foster had. The only time Tate got worked in without it being a breather was the first play of the 4th drive. He hadn't been on the field since the 1st drive. Other than that, he didn't get worked in really until the drive at the very end of the 3rd quarter, when he was getting nearly equal time with Foster.
but if you could find a guy to get you 10 pts a game at RB2 you improve 5 pts. don't understand the point that since you have a good RB1 it's fine to settle for a bad RB2? I get you have injury problems but there has to be some way you can improve that spot?
If you are looking to get 10 pts for your RB2 then no reason to take Tate out
Seriously? Even if Tate DOES get 10 carries, he needs to average 10ypc to get 10pts. Reasonable? I have Tate. Ive used Tate as my flex... But I don't assume 10 points is a given. I expect around 5 as a floor, with an upside of what we saw yesterday.No way do I just EXPECT 10pts from a breather backup. Also, no way do I put Tate in if HOU is playing a good team. Tight game = Foster time.
Dead serious you said just pick up a guy and use him as your other RB. Who? Hell I have Beanie and Blount who did squat and Tate almost doubled their output combined. Also have to realize that with Texans WR below average w/o AJ the plan is to ground and pound and they'll be playing some dogs at the end of the season and if they get up on teams which has happened more than not he gets the rock even more.He's not a breather back either so you're wrong. Breather to me is you only come in for the starting RB which isn't the case. You don't make him your breather RB when he could be the feature back on many NFL teams right now.
I definitely did not.
ps: I'd still start a healthy Beanie or Blount over Tate, any day of the week, if given a choice.
You should bold that instead. Tate has more rushing yards than either back. I'd take CJ last year as well but lets stick with this season and compare the backs situation right now which is all that matters.
So you wouldn't prefer the 24 extra FP Beanie has provided over Tate?You win.
Right now look at Beanie and compare him to Tate, the past is the past and a banged up Beanie I would not put in a flex position over Tate today.FYI over the past three weeks (since Beanie had a bye 4 weeks back where Tate ran over 100 yards) Tate is outperforming Beanie.I have Beanie by the way.
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Beanie has 34FP over his last 4 games. Tate has 35FP. Fine, that's fair on the surface.Dig deeper -- beanie hasn't been fully healthy (a). beanie also matched up against PIT and BAL in the past 4 weeks (b).You're asking who I would start between the two. And 9 times out of 10, I'd start Beanie (and I dont even own beanie!!! but I do own tate. If someone offered a swap Id take it in a heartbeat)
Wish you were in my league since I don't have Tate but have Beanie who is a gimp at this point. I'll take a healthy runner on one of the elite offensive lines over Beanie who is hurt on a team that has a lot of issues. After the first month Beanie hasn't really done much.
138/3 v NYG60/1 v MIN83/1 v BALSome pretty impressive games after the first month. Missed a game and had a bye... other wise his stats would likely be A LOT more impressive. He's no superstar, but he's going to put up better #'s than Tate, so long as he plays.
He put up over 80 yards rushing with a touchdown just one week ago against arguably the best defense in the NFL. Last week was an enormous kick in the stones but Beanie's been a Top 10 RB this season when healthy. I agree his health going forward is a concern but if he's able to play I'd start him over Tate without question. He typically has a much higher floor given he's a starter compared to Tate being a backup. Prior to Week 9, Tate's worst games have been worse than Beanie's worst games.
I really wouldn't start either of them this week.Just saying...
