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Found out my son is being abused. Update #696 (3 Viewers)

:goodposting: GL seahawk. Im pulling for you to man. Horrible #### there, my first instinct reading the story as a father was to also erupt with rage and either whoop someones ### or get mine whooped. Grats to you for taking the high road.
 
cstu said:
seahawk 17 said:
chet said:
why would the cops say he's not in trouble and then take the kids?
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At this point it was a civil matter, if I would of continued to hide them, a custodial interference...B felony.
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What did you think of Lynch's run?
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Wow. What a hell of a run. I've been watching football for my whole life, and that was the greatest run I've ever seen :lmao: . Saints defense sucks :shrug: . :lmao: is how I felt during the run.
 
The people have been clamoring for an update so here it is...

As you may or may not remember I refused to send my children back. They were absolutely terrified to get on the plane. My son was complaining about getting beaten on and my daughter said that they lived in a "war zone."

12 and 10 years old and I could not send them back, they were terrified. I advised them that they would be protected. I wrote a letter to the courts and advised them that I was not sending them back and why. I advised they would check in with their mom once a week and I would enroll them in school while we fought it out in court.

While camping, six police cars swooped and and took my children, I have not talked to or seen them since...here is how court went down....

I was portrayed as the kidnapper, all the abuse accounts were planted by me. I had a child abuse assessment that said my son had been emotionally and physically abused. It was thrown out by the judge because I did not have permission from the custodial parent to have it done. My son testified in court that he had lied about all the abuse because he was afraid of me. My ex had a counselor testify that I should have no contact with my children because they were emotionally scarred and I was an alcoholic. This was based on three visits with my children and their mom present in the counseling session. The ex played a voicemail in court where I advised her husband if he touched my son one more time I would break his arm, the court labled me violent.

So the court ruling advised that I have three counseling sessions with the children's counselor, and then three with the children. Supervised visits for the next two years in the state of Indiana in the month of June, and 28,000 in attorney fees. Phone calls on Mon, Thurs and Fridays.

May 21st my daughter emailed me and advised that she had a broken finger and her mom would not take her to the Dr. A few days later I got a call from her school to advise me that she had been out for the last two weeks. I called law enforcement who did a welfare check....she had a broken finger and a chipped tooth...from "falling."

I called child welfare in Indiana, and they stated that I am a chronic caller and can't be taken seriously. My children missed over 24 days of school in 2011. I went to my visit in June and the children did not show. I showed the Sheriffs Dept my visitation order and they stated that they don't get involved in custody matters. I spoke to the counselor and showed her the court paperwork about the counseling sessions, she advised me that she would only do it with written permission of my ex, and she refused.

Recap: It has been 12 months since I have seen or talked to my children. The 28, 000 was awarded as family support so I can not shake it, it is considered child support.

So for those who debated, not sending the children back was stupid...you were right. It has cost me financially and I have lost contact with my children until they make their own stand.

 
'seahawk 17 said:
The people have been clamoring for an update so here it is...

As you may or may not remember I refused to send my children back. They were absolutely terrified to get on the plane. My son was complaining about getting beaten on and my daughter said that they lived in a "war zone."

12 and 10 years old and I could not send them back, they were terrified. I advised them that they would be protected. I wrote a letter to the courts and advised them that I was not sending them back and why. I advised they would check in with their mom once a week and I would enroll them in school while we fought it out in court.

While camping, six police cars swooped and and took my children, I have not talked to or seen them since...here is how court went down....

I was portrayed as the kidnapper, all the abuse accounts were planted by me. I had a child abuse assessment that said my son had been emotionally and physically abused. It was thrown out by the judge because I did not have permission from the custodial parent to have it done. My son testified in court that he had lied about all the abuse because he was afraid of me. My ex had a counselor testify that I should have no contact with my children because they were emotionally scarred and I was an alcoholic. This was based on three visits with my children and their mom present in the counseling session. The ex played a voicemail in court where I advised her husband if he touched my son one more time I would break his arm, the court labled me violent.

So the court ruling advised that I have three counseling sessions with the children's counselor, and then three with the children. Supervised visits for the next two years in the state of Indiana in the month of June, and 28,000 in attorney fees. Phone calls on Mon, Thurs and Fridays.

May 21st my daughter emailed me and advised that she had a broken finger and her mom would not take her to the Dr. A few days later I got a call from her school to advise me that she had been out for the last two weeks. I called law enforcement who did a welfare check....she had a broken finger and a chipped tooth...from "falling."

I called child welfare in Indiana, and they stated that I am a chronic caller and can't be taken seriously. My children missed over 24 days of school in 2011. I went to my visit in June and the children did not show. I showed the Sheriffs Dept my visitation order and they stated that they don't get involved in custody matters. I spoke to the counselor and showed her the court paperwork about the counseling sessions, she advised me that she would only do it with written permission of my ex, and she refused.

Recap: It has been 12 months since I have seen or talked to my children. The 28, 000 was awarded as family support so I can not shake it, it is considered child support.

So for those who debated, not sending the children back was stupid...you were right. It has cost me financially and I have lost contact with my children until they make their own stand.
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Ouch.

 
srry to hear all this. I am not sure what I would do if I could not see my daughters. T+Ps for sure to you.

 
This update makes me very mad and sad. I'm so sorry for your situation. Hopefully someone local sees something that raises a red flag, and hopefully it doesn't take anything too serious for this to happen.

 
Dear god, this is heartbreaking.

Easy for me to say, and probably nearly impossible for you to do, but stay strong and keep the faith.

 
Small town, and my ex works for the school, and her husband for the fire dept. Nothing will be done.

This is one of the stories where someone will be killed and then all the reports will come out. Or my children will grow up and be very messed up. Which breaks mt heart because I will be the center of their anger.

One of the things about the child abuse assesment that really concerns me is that they wrote that there are many loaded firearms in the house and my son may just take matters in his own hands someday, because he has reached out to his mom, dad, CPS, and got no help.

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It may be the crap load of alcohol I have in my right now, but I am almost on the verge of tracking down your ex right now and ending this for you.

 
Thank you for the well wishes but it's a done deal..it won't get any better. I don't see them and I don't talk to them. After paying 28,000 in her attorney fees + my own attorney fees...I am not going back to court to complain that I don't see or talk to them. Until they sack up, they are on their own.

Yes I am bitter.

 
My condolences to you Seahawk17. As others have mentioned, it makes me very upset that this is going on. This isn't how our legal system should work, and as I plan on entering this field (Police Officer) it upsets me even more that our system is failing you and many others. It is very obvious that there is abuse going on. And for the police officers to say they don't get into custody matters sounds like laziness to me. Police Officers are officers of the court, and thus should be enforcing not only the laws set forth by our judicial system but also mandates from the court.

Stay strong and best of luck in the situation.

 
Mind-numbing. Sorry. I'm sure you are but keep on phoning and sending letters. Kids seem to be in a bad spot. Terrified to get on the plane? What terror was put in them to recant stories. Stay the course you'll have them back in your life sooner then later.

 
Sounds like you've been rebuffed already. But any social worker in the area perhaps on a lower-level that you could reach out to? Try to give them a generous account of the situation and then just update them monthly. Show you a serious and not a nut as they think you are. Keep them updated on any injuries and days of school missed. Seems like these are facts that have nothing to do with your own opinion.

 
'seahawk 17 said:
The people have been clamoring for an update so here it is...

As you may or may not remember I refused to send my children back. They were absolutely terrified to get on the plane. My son was complaining about getting beaten on and my daughter said that they lived in a "war zone."

12 and 10 years old and I could not send them back, they were terrified. I advised them that they would be protected. I wrote a letter to the courts and advised them that I was not sending them back and why. I advised they would check in with their mom once a week and I would enroll them in school while we fought it out in court.

While camping, six police cars swooped and and took my children, I have not talked to or seen them since...here is how court went down....

I was portrayed as the kidnapper, all the abuse accounts were planted by me. I had a child abuse assessment that said my son had been emotionally and physically abused. It was thrown out by the judge because I did not have permission from the custodial parent to have it done. My son testified in court that he had lied about all the abuse because he was afraid of me. My ex had a counselor testify that I should have no contact with my children because they were emotionally scarred and I was an alcoholic. This was based on three visits with my children and their mom present in the counseling session. The ex played a voicemail in court where I advised her husband if he touched my son one more time I would break his arm, the court labled me violent.

So the court ruling advised that I have three counseling sessions with the children's counselor, and then three with the children. Supervised visits for the next two years in the state of Indiana in the month of June, and 28,000 in attorney fees. Phone calls on Mon, Thurs and Fridays.

May 21st my daughter emailed me and advised that she had a broken finger and her mom would not take her to the Dr. A few days later I got a call from her school to advise me that she had been out for the last two weeks. I called law enforcement who did a welfare check....she had a broken finger and a chipped tooth...from "falling."

I called child welfare in Indiana, and they stated that I am a chronic caller and can't be taken seriously. My children missed over 24 days of school in 2011. I went to my visit in June and the children did not show. I showed the Sheriffs Dept my visitation order and they stated that they don't get involved in custody matters. I spoke to the counselor and showed her the court paperwork about the counseling sessions, she advised me that she would only do it with written permission of my ex, and she refused.

Recap: It has been 12 months since I have seen or talked to my children. The 28, 000 was awarded as family support so I can not shake it, it is considered child support.

So for those who debated, not sending the children back was stupid...you were right. It has cost me financially and I have lost contact with my children until they make their own stand.
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'seahawk 17 said:
Small town, and my ex works for the school, and her husband for the fire dept. Nothing will be done.

This is one of the stories where someone will be killed and then all the reports will come out. Or my children will grow up and be very messed up. Which breaks mt heart because I will be the center of their anger.

One of the things about the child abuse assesment that really concerns me is that they wrote that there are many loaded firearms in the house and my son may just take matters in his own hands someday, because he has reached out to his mom, dad, CPS, and got no help.

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That isn't the issue. The issue is when you decide to make the rules and break the law (regardless if you think you are doing the right thing or not) you are going to get burned. No judge out there wants someone breaking their rules and rewards them for doing it.
 
'Walton Goggins said:
'seahawk 17 said:
Small town, and my ex works for the school, and her husband for the fire dept. Nothing will be done.

This is one of the stories where someone will be killed and then all the reports will come out. Or my children will grow up and be very messed up. Which breaks mt heart because I will be the center of their anger.

One of the things about the child abuse assesment that really concerns me is that they wrote that there are many loaded firearms in the house and my son may just take matters in his own hands someday, because he has reached out to his mom, dad, CPS, and got no help.

Edit: Reply to Mjolnirs
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That isn't the issue. The issue is when you decide to make the rules and break the law (regardless if you think you are doing the right thing or not) you are going to get burned. No judge out there wants someone breaking their rules and rewards them for doing it.
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I agree...but then it becomes what is right and what's wrong. I can die today knowing I did everything possible. It's the only thing thay keeps me from doing something really dumb. (And I broke no laws)

 
'seahawk 17 said:
'Walton Goggins said:
'seahawk 17 said:
Small town, and my ex works for the school, and her husband for the fire dept. Nothing will be done.

This is one of the stories where someone will be killed and then all the reports will come out. Or my children will grow up and be very messed up. Which breaks mt heart because I will be the center of their anger.

One of the things about the child abuse assesment that really concerns me is that they wrote that there are many loaded firearms in the house and my son may just take matters in his own hands someday, because he has reached out to his mom, dad, CPS, and got no help.

Edit: Reply to Mjolnirs
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That isn't the issue. The issue is when you decide to make the rules and break the law (regardless if you think you are doing the right thing or not) you are going to get burned. No judge out there wants someone breaking their rules and rewards them for doing it.
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I agree...but then it becomes what is right and what's wrong. I can die today knowing I did everything possible. It's the only thing thay keeps me from doing something really dumb. (And I broke no laws)
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Talk to any lawyer and they would have told you to not keep the kids and not let their mother see them. There's rules you have to follow and if you decide what's right and wrong well you found out the hard way. My ex did something similar to what you did and she paid big time and the facts came out and I proved that I was not a danger to my kids. I have them half the time. There were lots of things I wanted to do because I felt like that was the right thing to do but when explained to me by my lawyers doing that will only hurt me I didn't.The point is that you can't dictate to the system what is right and wrong. Honestly if you are able to prove that your kids with their mother is a threat to their safety you would have them or at minimal have contact with them so either something is fishy from your end or you had zero proof and it was a he said, she said kind of thing.

 
'Walton Goggins said:
'seahawk 17 said:
'Walton Goggins said:
'seahawk 17 said:
Small town, and my ex works for the school, and her husband for the fire dept. Nothing will be done.

This is one of the stories where someone will be killed and then all the reports will come out. Or my children will grow up and be very messed up. Which breaks mt heart because I will be the center of their anger.

One of the things about the child abuse assesment that really concerns me is that they wrote that there are many loaded firearms in the house and my son may just take matters in his own hands someday, because he has reached out to his mom, dad, CPS, and got no help.

Edit: Reply to Mjolnirs
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That isn't the issue. The issue is when you decide to make the rules and break the law (regardless if you think you are doing the right thing or not) you are going to get burned. No judge out there wants someone breaking their rules and rewards them for doing it.
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I agree...but then it becomes what is right and what's wrong. I can die today knowing I did everything possible. It's the only thing thay keeps me from doing something really dumb. (And I broke no laws)
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Talk to any lawyer and they would have told you to not keep the kids and not let their mother see them. There's rules you have to follow and if you decide what's right and wrong well you found out the hard way. My ex did something similar to what you did and she paid big time and the facts came out and I proved that I was not a danger to my kids. I have them half the time. There were lots of things I wanted to do because I felt like that was the right thing to do but when explained to me by my lawyers doing that will only hurt me I didn't.The point is that you can't dictate to the system what is right and wrong. Honestly if you are able to prove that your kids with their mother is a threat to their safety you would have them or at minimal have contact with them so either something is fishy from your end or you had zero proof and it was a he said, she said kind of thing.
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I had proof it got dropped, and I had Oregon CPS say that they would take custody of them...if they lived in Oregon. My family paid a price because abuse does not travel across state lines.

Enjoy your visits glad it worked out for you.

 
'Walton Goggins said:
'seahawk 17 said:
'Walton Goggins said:
'seahawk 17 said:
Small town, and my ex works for the school, and her husband for the fire dept. Nothing will be done.

This is one of the stories where someone will be killed and then all the reports will come out. Or my children will grow up and be very messed up. Which breaks mt heart because I will be the center of their anger.

One of the things about the child abuse assesment that really concerns me is that they wrote that there are many loaded firearms in the house and my son may just take matters in his own hands someday, because he has reached out to his mom, dad, CPS, and got no help.

Edit: Reply to Mjolnirs
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That isn't the issue. The issue is when you decide to make the rules and break the law (regardless if you think you are doing the right thing or not) you are going to get burned. No judge out there wants someone breaking their rules and rewards them for doing it.
Click to expand...
I agree...but then it becomes what is right and what's wrong. I can die today knowing I did everything possible. It's the only thing thay keeps me from doing something really dumb. (And I broke no laws)
Click to expand...
Talk to any lawyer and they would have told you to not keep the kids and not let their mother see them. There's rules you have to follow and if you decide what's right and wrong well you found out the hard way. My ex did something similar to what you did and she paid big time and the facts came out and I proved that I was not a danger to my kids. I have them half the time. There were lots of things I wanted to do because I felt like that was the right thing to do but when explained to me by my lawyers doing that will only hurt me I didn't.The point is that you can't dictate to the system what is right and wrong. Honestly if you are able to prove that your kids with their mother is a threat to their safety you would have them or at minimal have contact with them so either something is fishy from your end or you had zero proof and it was a he said, she said kind of thing.
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Why do you hate looking intelligent?
 
I'm sad to hear things worked out this way. I wish you, and especially your kids, the best of luck in the future.

 
This is heartbreaking Seahawk. Are there any extended family members you can have check in on the kids? It's gut wrenching that they're on their own. I'll never understand a mother letting things like that happen to her children. Here's praying the ******* takes it out on her just long enough for her to wake up.

 
If I was you, I would write letters everyday with certified mail, meaning the person has to sign to receive them, and document everything. If you are able to write letters and they refuse to give them to your kids, that is something in your favor. If they fail to meet A, B, C then some action needs to be taken. While you do that, send something similar to the courts as well demonstrating your attempts and their failures.

 
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