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Four ‘Game Of Thrones’ Offshoot Series In Works At HBO With George R. R. Martin (1 Viewer)

So for the millions of readers who don't get HBO they're just screwed.

The guy wrote an incredible story, developed a world we all love to be transported to and bailed when HBO shoved a check in front of him with a lot of 0's in it. He could finish the books if he wanted to but he won't, he's lazy sorry.
Well since there won't be a book for them to spend $15 on they can just spend that $15 on a month of HBO and stream the few episodes in less time than it would take to read the book.

I get that it's really crappy for book readers that he's not finishing them but "I can't see the show" is a pretty big stretch unless you live in Cambodia.

 
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So for the millions of readers who don't get HBO they're just screwed.

The guy wrote an incredible story, developed a world we all love to be transported to and bailed when HBO shoved a check in front of him with a lot of 0's in it. He could finish the books if he wanted to but he won't, he's lazy sorry.
:lmao:  you can watch the show if you choose to. If not, guess it's off to Wikipedia. 

Guy got majorly paid and then was shown an exciting life traveling the world and producing tv shows. Imo the only thing he did wrong is not hand the books off to somebody else or just announce hey nerds I'm not finishing, piss off. 

 
:lmao:  you can watch the show if you choose to. If not, guess it's off to Wikipedia. 

Guy got majorly paid and then was shown an exciting life traveling the world and producing tv shows. Imo the only thing he did wrong is not hand the books off to somebody else or just announce hey nerds I'm not finishing, piss off. 
:lmao:

 
So HBO says the final season 8 will be 6 episodes airing in 2019. So there is good chance we get at least The Winds of Winter sometime this year. 

How can they finish the show without a finished story?

 
So HBO says the final season 8 will be 6 episodes airing in 2019. So there is good chance we get at least The Winds of Winter sometime this year. 

How can they finish the show without a finished story?
I guess fat and lazy GRRM was at least motivated enough to give Benioff & Weiss the direction the story was going to go and how it would end so they can write it themselves.  Did I mention that GRRM was fat?

 
I'm on book 3 been trying to pace then out so I don't finish to soon.. But I'm really itching to start the show also.

Damn fatman by the sea needs to get busy..... :rant:

 
So HBO says the final season 8 will be 6 episodes airing in 2019. So there is good chance we get at least The Winds of Winter sometime this year. 

How can they finish the show without a finished story?
I don’t know why you would think that at all.  Last season wasn’t book stuff. 

 
:lmao:  you can watch the show if you choose to. If not, guess it's off to Wikipedia. 

Guy got majorly paid and then was shown an exciting life traveling the world and producing tv shows. Imo the only thing he did wrong is not hand the books off to somebody else or just announce hey nerds I'm not finishing, piss off. 
The fat man owes me!!!

Honestly, I almost don't care any more - I don't get HBO so don't watch the show but had hopes he would eventually finish. 

 
So for the millions of readers who don't get HBO they're just screwed.

The guy wrote an incredible story, developed a world we all love to be transported to and bailed when HBO shoved a check in front of him with a lot of 0's in it. He could finish the books if he wanted to but he won't, he's lazy sorry.
Why not just enjoy the countless hours of enjoyment he gave you rather than ripping the guy for being lazy. It took him a long time between books when he wasn't producing TV shows and had many more demands and opportunities for his time. He;s not lazy. In fact, he's incredibly busy between all the work has has to do and now all the playing he can afford to do. Let the man be and stop pretending he owes you a damn thing, because he doesn't. 

 
Why not just enjoy the countless hours of enjoyment he gave you rather than ripping the guy for being lazy. It took him a long time between books when he wasn't producing TV shows and had many more demands and opportunities for his time. He;s not lazy. In fact, he's incredibly busy between all the work has has to do and now all the playing he can afford to do. Let the man be and stop pretending he owes you a damn thing, because he doesn't. 
Soooo while I don’t think the guy is lazy, I kinda of do think he owes an ending. Everyone bought these books under the premise that it would be a complete story. These books were created as one long and continuous story. It’s kind of ####ty to make millions and then not complete it, because if people had know from the start it would end at 80% completion, they wouldn’t have started in the first place.

If he just wrote various stories set in this world, whatever. That’s not the case here. 

 
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Soooo while I don’t think the guy is lazy, I kinda of do think he owes an ending. Everyone bought these books under the premise that it would be a complete story. These books were created as one long and continuous story. It’s kind of ####ty to make millions and then not complete it, because if people had know from the start it would end at 80% completion, they wouldn’t have started in the first place.

If he just wrote various stories set in this world, whatever. That’s not the case here. 
He never promised to finish the books. He just promised to write a good story. That story is good whether it has an ending or not. I hope he finishes it. I would hate for someone else to complete it and with the dollars at stake, someone would finish it. It wouldn't be the end of the world if someone else finished it, but I would like to see him do it. If he doesn't I'm not going to lose my #### over it. He's a human being. Let the guy live and do what every swinging **** in here would be doing if you all of the sudden had that much dough. 

 
He never promised to finish the books. 
I think this is the main crux of where we disagree. He got rich off of this story, so yeah I do think he owes it to people to finish.  If he had said I’m going to start this story but not finish, nobody would have bought the books. I think it’s completely fair for someone to have purchased these books to assume the product would be completed. 

 
I think this is the main crux of where we disagree. He got rich off of this story, so yeah I do think he owes it to people to finish.  If he had said I’m going to start this story but not finish, nobody would have bought the books. I think it’s completely fair for someone to have purchased these books to assume the product would be completed. 
He has a responsibility to write a good story. He's done that. Over and over again. His story just so happens might be longer than he can write. Nobody is jumping all over Tolkein because he died before he finishes some of the stories he was working on. Nobody railed against Robert Jordan for not finishing the Wheel of Time series. I don't think GRRM has ever intended on not finishing the story. But to do them right, and to his standards, they take time. That's the beauty of his writing. It's so meticulous and well thought out. He doesn't just tell what a character is doing, he tells the full back story so we get completely invested in the guy before he kills him.

Any author at any time could die from some tragic accident. You are never guaranteed an end to a story. You are just guaranteed a good story. I know it's not a book, but I don't recall people regretting ever watching the Soprano's because the show ended on a cliff hanger that was never really finished the story. 

 
This is kind of ridiculous - of course the guy doesn't actually owe any of us anything - let's use a pertinent example.  Ralph Furley didn't owe us a resolution to his Xmas Family thread but plenty of people called him out.  And we didn't shell out $40 to read the first part of his thread.  I have no problem that people want the guy to finish, I do too - as long as they aren't mailing him gorilla poop I think we are fine to vent on the internet.

 
This is kind of ridiculous - of course the guy doesn't actually owe any of us anything - let's use a pertinent example.  Ralph Furley didn't owe us a resolution to his Xmas Family thread but plenty of people called him out.  And we didn't shell out $40 to read the first part of his thread.  I have no problem that people want the guy to finish, I do too - as long as they aren't mailing him gorilla poop I think we are fine to vent on the internet.
If someone made a movie and said it’s part 1 of 2, I don’t think it’s right to take someone’s money for part one and never release part two. It’s implied in the structure that there is a beginning, middle, and end. Right now, he’s made millions off of a beginning and a middle. 

Im not going to lose my #### over it or anything, but it’s ####ty to create and sell and incomplete product.

 
He has a responsibility to write a good story. He's done that. Over and over again. His story just so happens might be longer than he can write. Nobody is jumping all over Tolkein because he died before he finishes some of the stories he was working on. Nobody railed against Robert Jordan for not finishing the Wheel of Time series. I don't think GRRM has ever intended on not finishing the story. But to do them right, and to his standards, they take time. That's the beauty of his writing. It's so meticulous and well thought out. He doesn't just tell what a character is doing, he tells the full back story so we get completely invested in the guy before he kills him.

Any author at any time could die from some tragic accident. You are never guaranteed an end to a story. You are just guaranteed a good story. I know it's not a book, but I don't recall people regretting ever watching the Soprano's because the show ended on a cliff hanger that was never really finished the story. 
Fine, if he dies then he’s off the hook. 

 
Fine, if he dies then he’s off the hook. 
I think he will be writing this series or something beyond that (if he lives long enough) until he is physically unable to write anymore. It's not that he is lazy or that he is fat (something that I think makes more people call him lazy, but that's another discussion), it's that he's too busy with too many projects. 

My hope is that he's writing the last two all at once and will break them into two books and release them a year apart. 

 
If someone made a movie and said it’s part 1 of 2, I don’t think it’s right to take someone’s money for part one and never release part two. It’s implied in the structure that there is a beginning, middle, and end. Right now, he’s made millions off of a beginning and a middle. 

Im not going to lose my #### over it or anything, but it’s ####ty to create and sell and incomplete product.
I think we agree with each other.

 
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So HBO says the final season 8 will be 6 episodes airing in 2019. So there is good chance we get at least The Winds of Winter sometime this year. 

How can they finish the show without a finished story?
He gave them an outline....or an outline based on the characters situations in regards to the show. 

 
If someone made a movie and said it’s part 1 of 2, I don’t think it’s right to take someone’s money for part one and never release part two. It’s implied in the structure that there is a beginning, middle, and end. Right now, he’s made millions off of a beginning and a middle. 

Im not going to lose my #### over it or anything, but it’s ####ty to create and sell and incomplete product.
It's not his anymore. It's his, Benioffs and Weiss'.

At this point, with the show (a show that has been outlined by him) passing him in the books.....just about anything he writes will be anti-climatic.  Sure, there will be some characters who take different paths than the ones they've taken on the show., but I can't believe that out of his main characters: Jon, Tyrion, Arya, Dany, Sansa, Cersei and Jamie.....any of them will have a different fate between the show and the book (and I don't mean supernerd..."AHHHPPP...JAMIES FATE WAS INHERENTLY DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE TWO MEDIUMS AS IN THE BOOK HE WAS FELLED BY A WHITE WALKER ON THE FIELD OF BATTLE ASSISTING JON IN A LAST DITCH FLANKING MANUVER WHILE IN THE BOOK HE WAS RIDDEN DOWN FROM BEHIND ON THE FIELD OF BATTLE IN FULL RETREAT!!!!").

If he complains about how the show turns out...he's a piker like George Lucas.....selling his vision and then #####ing that the people he sold it to didn't do it justice.....despite himself having all the time in the world to finish it.  If he REALLY doesn't have an interest in finishing it....he's almost better off just saying that the show IS the story the way he would have done it in the books and then, maybe a year or two later releasing a little novella or something (on the line of the size of a couple of the KNIGHT OF SEVEN KINGDOM stories) in which it's a story from Sams POV AFTER the final battle in which he ties up book loose ends....or a BAELISH FROM THE FINGERS novella where we get pages from Littlefingers diary or some ####.......

 
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I've already argued the "GRRM doesn't owe us anything" thing to death in these threads, so I'll let you guys continue to wage that war. We start consuming a serialized art before it's done, we take a chance on it not ending. I seriously thought this was gonna happen with The Dark Tower after King got run over by that van (and I think that accident & recovery seriously affected the way that story got told).

Scott Lynch's Gentlemen Bastards series is the latest book series that looks like it could not be finished by the originator. He's apparently got all kinds of issues that are preventing new episodes from being released.

In any case, I think Artist GRRM sometimes wishes Capitalist GRRM hadn't sold the TV rights when he did. He's seemed to have distanced himself from the TV show in later years.

 
I've already argued the "GRRM doesn't owe us anything" thing to death in these threads, so I'll let you guys continue to wage that war. We start consuming a serialized art before it's done, we take a chance on it not ending. I seriously thought this was gonna happen with The Dark Tower after King got run over by that van (and I think that accident & recovery seriously affected the way that story got told).

Scott Lynch's Gentlemen Bastards series is the latest book series that looks like it could not be finished by the originator. He's apparently got all kinds of issues that are preventing new episodes from being released.

In any case, I think Artist GRRM sometimes wishes Capitalist GRRM hadn't sold the TV rights when he did. He's seemed to have distanced himself from the TV show in later years.
To that....to play devils advocate a bit as he doesn't owe anyone anything...the guy didn't have enough (for lack of better words because it's a bit mean) integrity to NOT sell the television rights.....but he has enough integrity to NOT "sit on" a ghost writer or writing assistant just to get the books done?

 
To that....to play devils advocate a bit as he doesn't owe anyone anything...the guy didn't have enough (for lack of better words because it's a bit mean) integrity to NOT sell the television rights.....but he has enough integrity to NOT "sit on" a ghost writer or writing assistant just to get the books done?
I don't know. I wasn't talking about any kind of integrity. Just that I think, given some of his blog posts, that he seems sanguine about where the TV show has gone. Sure he cashed the checks asap, but maybe he wishes he was farther along with the story (like, done with it). 

Cash vs Art, homey. I can see it pulling GRRM in two directions.

 
Tv show fell off right when the books did. When tyrion n araya goto essos. I thought season 6 of tv show was excellent. Worst part of show was sand snakes.  Without the scourge material I think the show did great
Yeah, I won't argue that book 3 was the peak for me in the books too.  I really didn't like where Tyrion ended up since I thought most of Danys stuff was dull to begin with.  Tyrion needs people as sharp as he is to be around, and that definitely wasn't it.  

Also the same in both formats, for me too many of my favorite characters were offed at that same time.  Oberyn, Tywin, and others go, but we are stuck with Bran and Dany? 

That said, the books are still better than the show, so give me that anytime. (Unless we still get "capture the zombie" north of the wall in the books too.)

 
Why not just enjoy the countless hours of enjoyment he gave you rather than ripping the guy for being lazy. It took him a long time between books when he wasn't producing TV shows and had many more demands and opportunities for his time. He;s not lazy. In fact, he's incredibly busy between all the work has has to do and now all the playing he can afford to do. Let the man be and stop pretending he owes you a damn thing, because he doesn't. 
mmmmK :shrug: (kind of an odd time to pick this back up since my original post was in May 2017 but whatevs)

That was my opinion, i voiced it and you're entitled to disagree with it. I moved on from all this and am just enjoying whatever I can get out of HBO/GRRM/Follow on shows. If the guy chooses to leave the series books unfinished because, "he's incredibly busy between all the work has has to do and now all the playing he can afford to do," rock on dude. Not how I would have handled it but people aren't paying my bajillions to write a story either. Hope George lives large and prospers. I like his tweets so I got that going for me :thumbup:

 
How bad are the offshoots going to be? If last season was any indication it's going to be a full out CGI comic book movie

 
That said, the books are still better than the show, so give me that anytime. (Unless we still get "capture the zombie" north of the wall in the books too.)
I really, really hated this part, but a little more time and it could have been ok. Tyrion goes to King’s Landing to talk to Jamie.  Just insert a 5 minute scene where Jamie convinces Tyrion the only way that Cersei will come to a truce is if she believes the WWs are real, and that the only way for that to happen is if she sees one.  Bam, done. Instead they just rabbit ####ed their way through the season cutting corners all the way along. 

 

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