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Fred Taylor released (1 Viewer)

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There's been a lot of talk about Fred Taylor not coming back to Jacksonville. If Fred is released were would rank MJD?

And where could you see Fred going next season if anywhere?

EDIT: PFT link added.

Multiple sources now confirming. Fred to get released.

 
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Fed Taylor is 33. I don't think his prescense on (or off) the roster has any effect on MJD anymore. Taylor at best is a "spell" back now and if he is cut his role will be filled by another RB. Maybe Chauncey Washington gets some carries to spell MJD and keep him fresh.

I don't see any team really willing to sign Taylor in any kind of prominent role if he does get cut. The end is near.

 
Very, very high. That could all change if they draft someone in the first two rounds though. If they draft someone who is more than a depth guy then we may see more of the two headed monster in Jax

 
I think Fred Taylor would be a good fit in Houston with the zone-blocking scheme they use.
I don't. They seem like a team that could use a bigger RB to compliment Slaton at the GL and in short-yardage situations. I think Taylor had a fine career. NFL RB has turned into a young man's position. I don't know if Taylor will latch on anywhere.
 
I think he'll be overvalued. Never had more than 200 carries in a season and I think the transition from RB2 or change-of-pace RB to RB1/bellcow is more difficult than many admit at this juncture.

 
MJD will have a good season, but don't expect user stud production from him. He'll have a few outstanding games, but most games will be RB#2 production. I'd rank him at #12-#15 range.

 
I think he'll be overvalued. Never had more than 200 carries in a season and I think the transition from RB2 or change-of-pace RB to RB1/bellcow is more difficult than many admit at this juncture.
I tend to agree. I think he'll do very well but I expect he'll get hyped over his actual value.
 
MJD will have a good season, but don't expect user stud production from him. He'll have a few outstanding games, but most games will be RB#2 production. I'd rank him at #12-#15 range.
In his first 3 seasons he has never finished worse than 11th in PPR leagues, last year he finished 3rd, and now he loses the other half of the RBBC and you see his production decreasing..........interesting!
 
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MJD will have a good season, but don't expect user stud production from him. He'll have a few outstanding games, but most games will be RB#2 production. I'd rank him at #12-#15 range.
So you think his production will decrease without Fred Taylor. I swear, MJD could go into the Hall of Fame and switz would still consider him an RB2. :thumbdown:
 
I think Fred Taylor would be a good fit in Houston with the zone-blocking scheme they use.
I don't. They seem like a team that could use a bigger RB to compliment Slaton at the GL and in short-yardage situations. I think Taylor had a fine career. NFL RB has turned into a young man's position. I don't know if Taylor will latch on anywhere.
You realize Fred Taylor is 6'1 and 230 lbs, right? How much bigger of a RB are you looking for? Fred Taylor is far from small.
 
I think Fred Taylor would be a good fit in Houston with the zone-blocking scheme they use.
I don't. They seem like a team that could use a bigger RB to compliment Slaton at the GL and in short-yardage situations. I think Taylor had a fine career. NFL RB has turned into a young man's position. I don't know if Taylor will latch on anywhere.
You realize Fred Taylor is 6'1 and 230 lbs, right? How much bigger of a RB are you looking for? Fred Taylor is far from small.
Maybe I should have said a more physical back. Either way, I still don't think he is a great fit in Houston as he was pulled for MJD in many short yardage situations.
 
I think Fred Taylor would be a good fit in Houston with the zone-blocking scheme they use.
I don't. They seem like a team that could use a bigger RB to compliment Slaton at the GL and in short-yardage situations. I think Taylor had a fine career. NFL RB has turned into a young man's position. I don't know if Taylor will latch on anywhere.
You realize Fred Taylor is 6'1 and 230 lbs, right? How much bigger of a RB are you looking for? Fred Taylor is far from small.
Maybe I should have said a more physical back. Either way, I still don't think he is a great fit in Houston as he was pulled for MJD in many short yardage situations.
That doesn't mean Taylor was bad at short yardage, just that MJD is that much better.

 
I think Fred Taylor would be a good fit in Houston with the zone-blocking scheme they use.
I don't. They seem like a team that could use a bigger RB to compliment Slaton at the GL and in short-yardage situations. I think Taylor had a fine career. NFL RB has turned into a young man's position. I don't know if Taylor will latch on anywhere.
You realize Fred Taylor is 6'1 and 230 lbs, right? How much bigger of a RB are you looking for? Fred Taylor is far from small.
To be fair, even though he is a big back I'm not sure he could be classified as a "grinder". I can't say I watched too many Jaguars' games, but Taylor always struck me a back who was incrediblely dangerous once he got to the second level, but wasn't quite as proficient in at turning a one yard gain into three yards (Of course, that isn't to say that he's bad in the regard). I think that's why he was such a good complement MJD (and also why his per-carry average dropped off much more than MJD's when Jacksonville's O-line play dropped off due to injuries this season).
 
MJD will have a good season, but don't expect user stud production from him. He'll have a few outstanding games, but most games will be RB#2 production. I'd rank him at #12-#15 range.
In my non-ppr league he's finished 7th, 8th, and 10th overall these past 3 years. Your ranking does not compute. Or are you predicting injury?
 
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(Rotoworld) Jaguars released RB Fred Taylor.

Analysis: The moves saves $6M under the cap. The NFL's 16th all-time leading rusher, Taylor is coming off a career worst season. The 33-year-old averaged just 3.9 YPC, has lost most of his receiving value, and is no longer effective in short yardage. Taylor has indicated that he wants to continue playing, but he may reconsider after this move. It's hard to imagine him playing for another team. Maurice Jones-Drew will likely be an every-down back in 2009.

 
With Buckhalter not expected back, Taylor could see time in Philly with a 1-year deal...but I think Taylor will be one of those backs who likely lands somewhere on the eve of the season to help out a team with an injury. He wants to start, but no team will seriously consider it unless they lack healthy bodies and he'll probably not see the light for a few months...at least.

 
I think Fred Taylor would be a good fit in Houston with the zone-blocking scheme they use.
I don't. They seem like a team that could use a bigger RB to compliment Slaton at the GL and in short-yardage situations. I think Taylor had a fine career. NFL RB has turned into a young man's position. I don't know if Taylor will latch on anywhere.
You realize Fred Taylor is 6'1 and 230 lbs, right? How much bigger of a RB are you looking for? Fred Taylor is far from small.
To be fair, even though he is a big back I'm not sure he could be classified as a "grinder". I can't say I watched too many Jaguars' games, but Taylor always struck me a back who was incrediblely dangerous once he got to the second level, but wasn't quite as proficient in at turning a one yard gain into three yards (Of course, that isn't to say that he's bad in the regard). I think that's why he was such a good complement MJD (and also why his per-carry average dropped off much more than MJD's when Jacksonville's O-line play dropped off due to injuries this season).
I used to have the same perception of Taylor a few years ago. Fred Taylor is one of the most underrated RB's to ever play. It's a shame he got hurt early in his career or he could have put up some amazing #'s. He's one of the most talented RB's I've ever watched play. He had that rare combo of power and speed with agility. So, while he's not a "grinder", that does NOT mean he can't and doesn't run with power. Just like you wouldn't call SJax a "grinder" doesn't meant he can't run with power. Fred Taylor is SJax, but better IMO. You should try to pull up some clips of him in his prime. Elite talented runner.
 
I think he'll be overvalued. Never had more than 200 carries in a season and I think the transition from RB2 or change-of-pace RB to RB1/bellcow is more difficult than many admit at this juncture.
I don't think you'll be able to find any good examples involving a legit stud prospect that support your scenario. Backs that get minimal touches and don't become 'the guy' when a major talent in front of them goes away weren't very good to begin with. MJD is good.I suppose there could always be a first time :mellow:
 
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MJD will have a good season, but don't expect user stud production from him. He'll have a few outstanding games, but most games will be RB#2 production. I'd rank him at #12-#15 range.
In his first 3 seasons he has never finished worse than 11th in PPR leagues, last year he finished 3rd, and now he loses the other half of the RBBC and you see his production decreasing..........interesting!
As someone relatively new to the board, lemme splain the situation to you. Switz is an MJD hater. Always will be. The guy could finish 100 points higher than the next highest RB in 2009 and Switz will say that it was a fluke and if you take out a few long runs he would;ve only been the #8 back or something...If the Jags draft someone high, or bring someone in via FA, then MJD is probably same as he was in the past. If they give him the outright starting position he will be monster and Switz will be seeing these kinds of threads bumped all over the place...
 
I'd have MoJo #1 overall in a PPR league.
I think the Jags get a RB early in the draft.
Maybe so but I'd still put his low-end 2009 numbers around:1500 total yards

50 receptions

15 TDs

I also see three other pluses in 2009 besides an increase in touches.

1-MJD seems the least likely of the top RBs to bust due to age or injury.

2-JAX o-line can't get any worse.

3-Jags play the NFC West

 
With Buckhalter not expected back, Taylor could see time in Philly with a 1-year deal...but I think Taylor will be one of those backs who likely lands somewhere on the eve of the season to help out a team with an injury. He wants to start, but no team will seriously consider it unless they lack healthy bodies and he'll probably not see the light for a few months...at least.
I think the Eagles go young with their CBuck replacement, drafting him in the first two rounds. With Westbrook reaching 30, it's time for them to be thinking ahead, not looking for a 33 year old band aid.I think Fred Taylor goes to Indy to help out Addai, as the minor RBBC participant.

I think MJD will be outstanding and if healthy will be a top-5 fantasy RB for the next couple years.

And, I think it's surprising that anyone saw the Taylor release as news. The official release is just confirmation of what Fred himself said was to be expected back in November. LINK

"You do the math," Taylor said. "If you were on the outside looking in, you would think a change was coming."

 
This news really saddens me. I knew this day was coming soon, but I didn't really expect it right now. It will be strange to not see #28 out there.

Fred Taylor will always be special to this Jags fan.

 
MJD will have a good season, but don't expect user stud production from him. He'll have a few outstanding games, but most games will be RB#2 production. I'd rank him at #12-#15 range.
I think what has not changed is what type of back MJD is...he's a complimentary back: third downs, goalline, etc. But, I don't think he's a 25 carry/game guy, nor has he performed well when Fred was hurt and had to carry that kind of load.He might get a few more carries, but someone else will come in to help in that backfield, and as an MJD owner, I just hope that guy isn't a better goalline option.
 
MJD will have a good season, but don't expect user stud production from him. He'll have a few outstanding games, but most games will be RB#2 production. I'd rank him at #12-#15 range.
I think what has not changed is what type of back MJD is...he's a complimentary back: third downs, goalline, etc. But, I don't think he's a 25 carry/game guy, nor has he performed well when Fred was hurt and had to carry that kind of load.He might get a few more carries, but someone else will come in to help in that backfield, and as an MJD owner, I just hope that guy isn't a better goalline option.
Saying a player isn't a 25 carry/game guy has become the most overused phrase in the Shark Pool. Stop the insanity !!!!
 
This news really saddens me. I knew this day was coming soon, but I didn't really expect it right now. It will be strange to not see #28 out there.Fred Taylor will always be special to this Jags fan.
:shrug: Not a Jags fan, but one of the greats to me even though he probably won't make the HOF.
 
I think what has not changed is what type of back MJD is...he's a complimentary back: third downs, goalline, etc...nor has he performed well when Fred was hurt and had to carry that kind of load.
Oh dear. Are you sure about this?
 
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MJD will have a good season, but don't expect user stud production from him. He'll have a few outstanding games, but most games will be RB#2 production. I'd rank him at #12-#15 range.
I think what has not changed is what type of back MJD is...he's a complimentary back: third downs, goalline, etc. But, I don't think he's a 25 carry/game guy, nor has he performed well when Fred was hurt and had to carry that kind of load.He might get a few more carries, but someone else will come in to help in that backfield, and as an MJD owner, I just hope that guy isn't a better goalline option.
week 3 @ Indy: 19 carries, 107 yards, 4 receptions, 59 yards, 0 TDweek 6 @ Den: 22/125/2 td; 2/23week 11 Ten: 17/66/2 td; 3/27week 16 Indy: 20/91/; 7/71week 17 @ Bal: 23/78; 1/10These are this year's games in which he had 15 or more carries in a game. Pretty good production when given the chance.
 
MJD will have a good season, but don't expect user stud production from him. He'll have a few outstanding games, but most games will be RB#2 production. I'd rank him at #12-#15 range.
I think what has not changed is what type of back MJD is...he's a complimentary back: third downs, goalline, etc. But, I don't think he's a 25 carry/game guy, nor has he performed well when Fred was hurt and had to carry that kind of load.He might get a few more carries, but someone else will come in to help in that backfield, and as an MJD owner, I just hope that guy isn't a better goalline option.
Saying he's not a 25 carry a game guy isn't much of a stretch, but how many true 25 carry a game guys are there in the NFL? 25 carries a game is 400 carries a season. Fred Taylor, as the starter in jax averaged well under 20 carries a game for his career. As far as how he's performed when Fred has been hurt, I disagree. I don't have all the stats in front of me, but off memory I'd wager that he averages over 100 total yards and a a TD a game when asked to carry the load. That's not bad at all.

 
Couch Potato said:
Matt Waldman said:
With Buckhalter not expected back, Taylor could see time in Philly with a 1-year deal...but I think Taylor will be one of those backs who likely lands somewhere on the eve of the season to help out a team with an injury. He wants to start, but no team will seriously consider it unless they lack healthy bodies and he'll probably not see the light for a few months...at least.
I think the Eagles go young with their CBuck replacement, drafting him in the first two rounds. With Westbrook reaching 30, it's time for them to be thinking ahead, not looking for a 33 year old band aid.I think Fred Taylor goes to Indy to help out Addai, as the minor RBBC participant.

I think MJD will be outstanding and if healthy will be a top-5 fantasy RB for the next couple years.

And, I think it's surprising that anyone saw the Taylor release as news. The official release is just confirmation of what Fred himself said was to be expected back in November. LINK

"You do the math," Taylor said. "If you were on the outside looking in, you would think a change was coming."
Now you're just baiting switz..... :unsure:
 
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As far as how he's performed when Fred has been hurt, I disagree. I don't have all the stats in front of me, but off memory I'd wager that he averages over 100 total yards and a a TD a game when asked to carry the load. That's not bad at all.
He also averages more than a point/touch (PPR) in games when he has twenty or more touches. i.e. there's zero evidence his production falls off in a substantial way.
 
I think Jax drafts a second day back unless someone unbelievably promising (in their eyes) falls in their laps in the 2nd or 3rd round. Either way, I think MJD is going to get the keys to the offense and this bodes well for fantasy owners who have him on their squads, IMO. If DeAngelo Williams can do what he did in '08, I think it's reasonable MJD can do well in '09. I think one cannot underestimate the benefits of an RB getting into a rhythm within the offense and staying on the field enough to remain in the flow of the game. If the Jags line returns to full strength or upgrades and Garrard stays healthy, I think MJD is an excellent 1st round pick as an RB in PPR and Non-PPR.

As Wadsworth mentions, Taylor has been a good back when he carries the load and stays healthy. He has a career 4.6 ypc and prior to this year's lackluster average he was over 5 ypc in 2006 and 2007.

I think he would have no problem carrying the ball 15 times per game if a team picks him up early, but I hope he sees the light and takes an offer with a decent team that could use him as part of an RBBC where he sees 10-12 touches per game regularly and either he or the other RB is used as a receiver out of the backfield.

Other than Philly, I think Seattle, Detroit, Houston, Denver, and Arizona could all use a second back who could easily be the 1st guy if needed.

 
The NFL is a copycat league.

Two-back systems extend the life of BOTH backs and gives strong 2-back combos the chance for both to succeed.

Fred Taylor and MJD were one of the first duos to benefit in recent memory from this - MJD did well and helped Fred to stay healthy and put up all those 100+ yard games down the stretch in MJD's rookie season.

So Taylor's gone now, so now what? Chauncey Washington is the most likely candidate to take Fred's role - but to a lesser degree. MJD will still see 20 or so chances a game (that's 320 changces, maybe 275 of them as carries) while Chauncy takes on the bulk of the rest (10-15 a game) for a team that would be thrilled to run the ball 30+ times a game.

MJD won't suffer in peformance on a per-carry basis but he could go for 1500-1600 total yards if they don't overuse him. I don't think they will. Jacksonville will just look for a 2006 Fred Taylor in a 2009 version, and that likely starts with Washington. Another RB (or 2) could be added to see if there is a better option in August (especially if Washington doesn't step up in that new role).

 
With Denver needing so much on the defensive side, I would not be surprised to see Taylor end up in RBBC w/ Hillis. I'm not sold on Torain at all and I think Taylor would be a great fit as a 2 down back in the zone blocking scheme in Denver and I'm guessing he won't command a lengthy or expensive contract.

ETA: I just read thet Taylor said he is not ready to retire so my previous guess that he may not latch on with another team is probably way off.

 
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Greg Jones needs to get some consideration. While he might not be a proven runner, he's done pretty well when called on and I'd consider him a better runner than Washington.

 
Hoss_Cartwright said:
Black said:
switz said:
MJD will have a good season, but don't expect user stud production from him. He'll have a few outstanding games, but most games will be RB#2 production. I'd rank him at #12-#15 range.
I think what has not changed is what type of back MJD is...he's a complimentary back: third downs, goalline, etc. But, I don't think he's a 25 carry/game guy, nor has he performed well when Fred was hurt and had to carry that kind of load.He might get a few more carries, but someone else will come in to help in that backfield, and as an MJD owner, I just hope that guy isn't a better goalline option.
Saying a player isn't a 25 carry/game guy has become the most overused phrase in the Shark Pool. Stop the insanity !!!!
Exactly. Only a handful of RB's have averaged 25 carries a game for an entire season. In the history of the NFL. So yeah it's safe to say MJD is not a 25 carry/game guy. Neither is 99% of the league.
 

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