Freezing kickers (1 Viewer)

[dennis.moore]

Just make each FG attempt the best-of-3.

 

[CalBear]

But seriously since we're all for making pointless rules for situations that have little meaning in the game, Why can't we have a better way to choose who calls the coin toss? I mean its ridiculous that the away team gets to call the toss.

This is a stupid analogy; the reason icing the kicker is annoying is that it creates an additional minute of non-action in the game. It's pointless; just as pointless as calling a timeout to ice the person calling the coin flip.There may not be a reasonable way to stop it, but it's #######' stupid and coaches should stop doing it.

Dear god a whole minute of non action. We can't stand for that in the game. Except for TV timeouts and Replay timeouts and the Two minute warning and Halftime and Injuries and penalties and the general time in between plays. The game couldn't survive if a whole minute of action was taken away.

You think more commercials, more wasted time in reviews, longer halftime and more injuries are good things for the game?

 

[VaTerp]

But seriously since we're all for making pointless rules for situations that have little meaning in the game, Why can't we have a better way to choose who calls the coin toss? I mean its ridiculous that the away team gets to call the toss.

This is a stupid analogy; the reason icing the kicker is annoying is that it creates an additional minute of non-action in the game. It's pointless; just as pointless as calling a timeout to ice the person calling the coin flip.There may not be a reasonable way to stop it, but it's #######' stupid and coaches should stop doing it.

Dear god a whole minute of non action. We can't stand for that in the game. Except for TV timeouts and Replay timeouts and the Two minute warning and Halftime and Injuries and penalties and the general time in between plays. The game couldn't survive if a whole minute of action was taken away.

You think more commercials, more wasted time in reviews, longer halftime and more injuries are good things for the game?

It's not as if those things exist ONLY in freeze the kicker situations. It's a timeout just like any other timeout and teams get 3 per half to use how they see fit. And please show me where this had led to any more injuries. That's kinda ridiculous to even bring into this argument.I agree coaches should stop doing it and if it continues to prove to be ineffective then they will. But either way it's not something that truly bothers me or that needs to be legislated out of the game IMO. It definitely does not rise to the "the sky is falling, something must be done" tone of the OP. At that point in the game, coaches are desperate. They are grasping at straws. If using one of their remaining timeouts to "ice" the kicker is what they want to do. So be it. As someone else said. It's just more time to hit the restroom and grab a beer or some food before seeing is a game winning kick goes in.IMO some people just like to complain TOO MUCH and this is one of those instances.ETA- I see where the injuries comment came into the discussion but it really has NOTHING to do with this issue. The other poster was just pointing out that there are numerous things that delay game action.

 

[CalBear]

It's not as if those things exist ONLY in freeze the kicker situations. It's a timeout just like any other timeout and teams get 3 per half to use how they see fit. And please show me where this had led to any more injuries. That's kinda ridiculous to even bring into this argument.

I didn't bring it into the argument; I just think freezing the kicker is stupid and teams should stop doing it.

I agree coaches should stop doing it and if it continues to prove to be ineffective then they will.

Coaches do ineffective things all the time, and there is not nearly enough analysis of the effectiveness of coaching decisions (as opposed to the results of coaching decisions, which is a completely different thing).

 

[footballnerd]

What about not allowing TO to be called > 5 seconds after offense is set to kick. That way it gives the defensive team time to call a timeout in the event of 12 men on the field and still not cause a do over because the offense can wait > 5 seconds to kick?

So you would rather have the refs spend time reviewing video on if the time out was called before the 5 sec mark than having them kick another FG? I'm sure if Vinatieri missed it on the first attempt and made it on the 2nd after a time out you wouldn't have a problem with it. The less decisions in the hands of refs the better. Just let it be.

 

[Insein]

It's not as if those things exist ONLY in freeze the kicker situations. It's a timeout just like any other timeout and teams get 3 per half to use how they see fit. And please show me where this had led to any more injuries. That's kinda ridiculous to even bring into this argument.

I didn't bring it into the argument; I just think freezing the kicker is stupid and teams should stop doing it.

I agree coaches should stop doing it and if it continues to prove to be ineffective then they will.

Coaches do ineffective things all the time, and there is not nearly enough analysis of the effectiveness of coaching decisions (as opposed to the results of coaching decisions, which is a completely different thing).

So you would rather the NFL enforce a rule to protect coaches from their own stupidity?

 

[CalBear]

So you would rather the NFL enforce a rule to protect coaches from their own stupidity?

If that stupidity is causing unnecessary delays in the game for no real reason, sure. In fact, there are rules like that in place already. As I said, it may not be possible to create a reasonable rule which deals with this specific situation, but I understand the annoyance of the original poster.

 

[Insein]

So you would rather the NFL enforce a rule to protect coaches from their own stupidity?

If that stupidity is causing unnecessary delays in the game for no real reason, sure. In fact, there are rules like that in place already. As I said, it may not be possible to create a reasonable rule which deals with this specific situation, but I understand the annoyance of the original poster.

Hey if we're all for that, can we get a rule that keeps Andy Reid from calling a timeout on 3rd and 18 while the clock is running down to avoid a delay of game?

 

[Modog814]

How many times has this even happened this year? I mean, specifically calling a timeout moments before the snap occurs (where the kick is attempted then waived off), not just icing the kicker.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

I 100% agree with the OP as I hate this tactic as do many fans.

It takes all of the heat-of-the-moment "thrill/agony" out of game-ending FG attempt. If you are at the game watching it live you watch the play being run all out, the kick is made, you want to erupt with joy but instead now immediately start looking around to see if any of the side Zebras are waving their hands for a do-over.

I also believe that the NFL, if it wants to, can certainly largely if not entirely eliminate this practice as follows:

#1 Send out an off-season communication to all teams that on a going-forward basis, the NFL wants this practice to stop. All end of half, late game FG attempts in which a defensive time out has been called will be subsequently reviewed by the league office. Any incidents deemed to effectively be in violation of the "spirit and intent" of this new guideline will result in stiff fines to the head coach (starting at $100K).

#2 On field officials, only when teams are in FG formation, will be instructed to use "judgement" (just like they do throughout the game in countless situations) and if they feel that the plea for "timeout" is too close to the ensuing snap they have the discretion to ignore such timeout call.

I think that item #1 would really be sufficient to end this practice but that in concert with #2 it would be very easy to bring an end to this fan-unfriendly tactic.

Well this might win the award for the worst idea in sports history. This goes right up there with the glowing puck and fast trax for Fox hockey back in the 90's.Plus the whiners insist its fan unfriendly. Ive yet to see evidence of this. If anything, a vast majority of fans could care less. There's a very vocal minority of grumpy old men complaining about it just like the people that call into to TV stations to complain about wardrobe malfunctions.

Yes I can see that this is no big deal for those who's exposure to football is 90%+ derived from playing Madden in their parent's basement. I can tell you that the majority of season ticket holders that I know do not like the practice at all.

 

[footballnerd]

Lets prohibit time outs before field goals, but allow them to be called before the coin flip. Profit.

I call timeouts to ice opponents on the putting green.

 

[Insein]

I 100% agree with the OP as I hate this tactic as do many fans.

It takes all of the heat-of-the-moment "thrill/agony" out of game-ending FG attempt. If you are at the game watching it live you watch the play being run all out, the kick is made, you want to erupt with joy but instead now immediately start looking around to see if any of the side Zebras are waving their hands for a do-over.

I also believe that the NFL, if it wants to, can certainly largely if not entirely eliminate this practice as follows:

#1 Send out an off-season communication to all teams that on a going-forward basis, the NFL wants this practice to stop. All end of half, late game FG attempts in which a defensive time out has been called will be subsequently reviewed by the league office. Any incidents deemed to effectively be in violation of the "spirit and intent" of this new guideline will result in stiff fines to the head coach (starting at $100K).

#2 On field officials, only when teams are in FG formation, will be instructed to use "judgement" (just like they do throughout the game in countless situations) and if they feel that the plea for "timeout" is too close to the ensuing snap they have the discretion to ignore such timeout call.

I think that item #1 would really be sufficient to end this practice but that in concert with #2 it would be very easy to bring an end to this fan-unfriendly tactic.

Well this might win the award for the worst idea in sports history. This goes right up there with the glowing puck and fast trax for Fox hockey back in the 90's.Plus the whiners insist its fan unfriendly. Ive yet to see evidence of this. If anything, a vast majority of fans could care less. There's a very vocal minority of grumpy old men complaining about it just like the people that call into to TV stations to complain about wardrobe malfunctions.

Yes I can see that this is no big deal for those who's exposure to football is 90%+ derived from playing Madden in their parent's basement. I can tell you that the majority of season ticket holders that I know do not like the practice at all.

And the majority of people I watch TV with, play FF with or just speak to in general don't care either way. Most people think its dumb but I doubt they would ever want a rule to take it out of the game. The League has enough stupid rules as is.

 

[footballnerd]

So you would rather the NFL enforce a rule to protect coaches from their own stupidity?

If that stupidity is causing unnecessary delays in the game for no real reason, sure. In fact, there are rules like that in place already. As I said, it may not be possible to create a reasonable rule which deals with this specific situation, but I understand the annoyance of the original poster.

then we should have a rule that prevents coaches from throwing stupid red flags on challenges even my grandma can see is going to stand. that annoys me.

 

[Insein]

So you would rather the NFL enforce a rule to protect coaches from their own stupidity?

If that stupidity is causing unnecessary delays in the game for no real reason, sure. In fact, there are rules like that in place already. As I said, it may not be possible to create a reasonable rule which deals with this specific situation, but I understand the annoyance of the original poster.

then we should have a rule that prevents coaches from throwing stupid red flags on challenges even my grandma can see is going to stand. that annoys me.

Same here! What are you challenging a ball placement for? You know there's very little chance you're getting that overturned in a massive pile of humanity. You basically just threw away a TO and a challenge when you could have a real call to challenge later.

 

[doowain]

So you would rather the NFL enforce a rule to protect coaches from their own stupidity?

If that stupidity is causing unnecessary delays in the game for no real reason, sure. In fact, there are rules like that in place already. As I said, it may not be possible to create a reasonable rule which deals with this specific situation, but I understand the annoyance of the original poster.

then we should have a rule that prevents coaches from throwing stupid red flags on challenges even my grandma can see is going to stand. that annoys me.

Same here! What are you challenging a ball placement for? You know there's very little chance you're getting that overturned in a massive pile of humanity. You basically just threw away a TO and a challenge when you could have a real call to challenge later.

Or you threw away a TO that you could've used to ice the kicker and his eventual pulled hamstring

 

[Insein]

So you would rather the NFL enforce a rule to protect coaches from their own stupidity?

If that stupidity is causing unnecessary delays in the game for no real reason, sure. In fact, there are rules like that in place already. As I said, it may not be possible to create a reasonable rule which deals with this specific situation, but I understand the annoyance of the original poster.

then we should have a rule that prevents coaches from throwing stupid red flags on challenges even my grandma can see is going to stand. that annoys me.

Same here! What are you challenging a ball placement for? You know there's very little chance you're getting that overturned in a massive pile of humanity. You basically just threw away a TO and a challenge when you could have a real call to challenge later.

Or you threw away a TO that you could've used to ice the kicker and his eventual pulled hamstring

Exactly!! We could have used that TO to ice the kicker. So if we had no TO's left then we can blame the coach when the kick goes through the first time.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

So far twice today the kicker freeze move has failed. Titans and Dolphins kickers have both made the 2nd kick.