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Fro's Initial WCOFF RB Rankings (1 Viewer)

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Steven Jackson

3. Larry Johnson

4. Joseph Addai

5. Frank Gore

6. Brian Westbrook

7. Shaun Alexander

8. Reggie Bush

9. Clinton Portis

10. Rudi Johnson

11. Ronnie Brown

12. Willie Parker

13. Travis Henry

14. Maurice Jones-Drew

15. Laurence Maroney

16. Willis McGahee

17. Edgerrin James

18.Cedric Benson

19.Thomas Jones

20. Deuce McAllister

21. Cadillac Williams

22. Ahman Green

23. Marshawn Lynch

24. Marion Barber

25. Adrian Peterson

26. DeAngelo Williams

27. Julius Jones

28. Kevin Jones

29. Brandon Jacobs

30. Fred Taylor

31. Chester Taylor

32. Jerious Norwood

33. Warrick Dunn

34. Jamal Lewis

35. Brandon Jackson

36. LenDale White

37. Dominic Rhodes

38. Lamont Jordan

39. Ladel Betts

40. Vernand Morency

41. DeShaun Foster

42. Michael Turner

43. Tatum Bell

44. Mikle Bell

45. Leon Washington

46. Reuben Droughns

47. Chris Henry

48. Chris Perry

49. Kevin Faulk

50. Lorenzo Booker

 
Good first pass Fro - things will change a lot before September, but here are a few of my observations:

Addai to high

Third tier fine but order will differ

Portis too high

Just for comparison here is my ranking for the WCOFF magazine (submitted almost a month ago)

1 - LaDainian Tomlinson

2 - Steven Jackson

3 - Larry Johnson

4 - Brian Westbrook

5 - Frank Gore

6 - Reggie Bush

7 - Joesph Addai

8 - Shaun Alexander

9 - Willie Parker

10 - Rudi Johnson

11 - Maurice Jones-Drew

12 - Travis Henry

13 - Laurence Maroney

14 - Edgerrin James

15 - Clinton Portis

16 - Ronnie Brown

17 - Ahman Green

18 - Deuce McAllister

19 - Willis McGahee

20 - Thomas Jones

 
Hi, Fro -- long time listener, first time caller.

Does your having KJones ranked so low have to do with any belief that his getting back to health will take longer than expected?

Also, which type of music would you suggest listening to to provide the right mood while reading your list? Reggae? Calypso?

 
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1. My 3rd tier goes from LJ to Portis, order doesn't matter, we could debate that all day. I agree with the players in that group.

2. Swap Benson and DWll. I assume Benson is simply a guess at this point, how you feel about his ability and the OL? DeAngelo >> Benson IMO. especially in PPR.

3. Bump Jordan up to the low 20's.

4. Chris Henry up past White.

5. Avoid Chris Perry in a redraft this year. Good upside I guess, but the injury is bad.

 
Red = Too High

Green = Too Low

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Steven Jackson

3. Larry Johnson

4. Joseph Addai

5. Frank Gore

6. Brian Westbrook

7. Shaun Alexander

8. Reggie Bush

9. Clinton Portis

10. Rudi Johnson

11. Ronnie Brown

12. Willie Parker

13. Travis Henry

14. Maurice Jones-Drew

15. Laurence Maroney

16. Willis McGahee

17. Edgerrin James

18.Cedric Benson

19.Thomas Jones

20. Deuce McAllister

21. Cadillac Williams

22. Ahman Green

23. Marshawn Lynch

24. Marion Barber

25. Adrian Peterson

26. DeAngelo Williams

27. Julius Jones

28. Kevin Jones

29. Brandon Jacobs

30. Fred Taylor

31. Chester Taylor

32. Jerious Norwood

33. Warrick Dunn

34. Jamal Lewis

35. Brandon Jackson

36. LenDale White

37. Dominic Rhodes

38. Lamont Jordan

39. Ladel Betts

40. Vernand Morency

41. DeShaun Foster

42. Michael Turner

43. Tatum Bell

44. Mikle Bell

45. Leon Washington

46. Reuben Droughns

47. Chris Henry

48. Chris Perry

49. Kevin Faulk

50. Lorenzo Booker
 
:hot:

(Note to self: File away in the event we are in same WCOFF league) :wall:
:hot: a lot will change btw now and the draft
Hey Fro, nice work.Can you explain the MJD at 14 to me? Because I'm not buying the 15 TDs again or the 5.6 ypc
http://www.xpertsports.com/league/player.p...Ma00&full=1MJD's value is not on ypc, it is is reception totals. I would expect those to increase from 46. I don't think he'll reach the total TD's again as well but I would not put it past him as he is explosive and nifty as I have seen. But when you put him against a back like Willie Parker who has a relatively low reception totals and is pulled in 3rd down situation, MJD is mre likely to eclipse the 10pt threshhold for each game. In fact he did it in all his games except his 1st as a rookie. In contrast, if you look at Parker he had 5 games of under 10 pts and his production was for the most part tied to TD's. Receptions are paramount for consistant scoring. I see MJD's upward trending and Parker's leveling.

 
Hi, Fro -- long time listener, first time caller.

Does your having KJones ranked so low have to do with any belief that his getting back to health will take longer than expected?

Also, which type of music would you suggest listening to to provide the right mood while reading your list? Reggae? Calypso?
Yes and No. Yes in the fact that his ranking has reflections of the uncertainty of his injury and if he is able to go before training camp. But also in the fact that if he is healed suffeiciently, how far will be be behind from missing OTA's, Training Camp, and Preseason Reps. An No because he has some competition. Remember they did trade for Tatum Bell who I think still has some pop to his game. I do think he has value in that offense and I have him ahead of for sure starters like Lewis and Brandon Jacobs. So I think his ranking is justified due to uncertainty factors. He will be the moving around the rankings more than any other player by the time the season starts.
 
1. My 3rd tier goes from LJ to Portis, order doesn't matter, we could debate that all day. I agree with the players in that group.

2. Swap Benson and DWll. I assume Benson is simply a guess at this point, how you feel about his ability and the OL? DeAngelo >> Benson IMO. especially in PPR.

3. Bump Jordan up to the low 20's.

4. Chris Henry up past White.

5. Avoid Chris Perry in a redraft this year. Good upside I guess, but the injury is bad.
I think Benson could easily be 1500 yard back if he can stay healthy. A big if. He has the skill set and the frame to be a bull ala Larry Johnson and he has very little competition. D.Williams on the other hand has to share the rock with DeShaun. If Deshaun was gone , Williams moves into the teens.
 
Red = Too High

Green = Too Low

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Steven Jackson

3. Larry Johnson

4. Joseph Addai

5. Frank Gore

6. Brian Westbrook

7. Shaun Alexander

8. Reggie Bush

9. Clinton Portis

10. Rudi Johnson

11. Ronnie Brown

12. Willie Parker

13. Travis Henry

14. Maurice Jones-Drew

15. Laurence Maroney

16. Willis McGahee

17. Edgerrin James

18.Cedric Benson

19.Thomas Jones

20. Deuce McAllister

21. Cadillac Williams

22. Ahman Green

23. Marshawn Lynch

24. Marion Barber

25. Adrian Peterson

26. DeAngelo Williams

27. Julius Jones

28. Kevin Jones

29. Brandon Jacobs

30. Fred Taylor

31. Chester Taylor

32. Jerious Norwood

33. Warrick Dunn

34. Jamal Lewis

35. Brandon Jackson

36. LenDale White

37. Dominic Rhodes

38. Lamont Jordan

39. Ladel Betts

40. Vernand Morency

41. DeShaun Foster

42. Michael Turner

43. Tatum Bell

44. Mikle Bell

45. Leon Washington

46. Reuben Droughns

47. Chris Henry

48. Chris Perry

49. Kevin Faulk

50. Lorenzo Booker
Fair Analysis - these are all the one's I've moved away from the general consensous.
 
Red = Too High

Green = Too Low

1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Steven Jackson

3. Larry Johnson

4. Joseph Addai

5. Frank Gore

6. Brian Westbrook

7. Shaun Alexander

8. Reggie Bush

9. Clinton Portis

10. Rudi Johnson

11. Ronnie Brown

12. Willie Parker

13. Travis Henry

14. Maurice Jones-Drew

15. Laurence Maroney

16. Willis McGahee

17. Edgerrin James

18.Cedric Benson

19.Thomas Jones

20. Deuce McAllister

21. Cadillac Williams

22. Ahman Green

23. Marshawn Lynch

24. Marion Barber

25. Adrian Peterson

26. DeAngelo Williams

27. Julius Jones

28. Kevin Jones

29. Brandon Jacobs

30. Fred Taylor

31. Chester Taylor

32. Jerious Norwood

33. Warrick Dunn

34. Jamal Lewis

35. Brandon Jackson

36. LenDale White

37. Dominic Rhodes

38. Lamont Jordan

39. Ladel Betts

40. Vernand Morency

41. DeShaun Foster

42. Michael Turner

43. Tatum Bell

44. Mikle Bell

45. Leon Washington

46. Reuben Droughns

47. Chris Henry

48. Chris Perry

49. Kevin Faulk

50. Lorenzo Booker
Fair Analysis - these are all the one's I've moved away from the general consensous.
Yeah, my rankings are fairly aligned with the consensus this year which bugs the hell out of me because I can't play the adversarial role that I usually get to play.
 
I know I am probably in the minority but I like Willie Parker in the top 5 for RB's.

I can see how others aren't so high on him since Najeh Davenport could play the 2005 version of Jerome Bettis in the Red Zone.

 
Even PPR, Adrian Peterson has potential to be top 10 and IMO he will finish top 15 without too many problems.

You have him ranked 25. That's pretty low, can you explain to me why?

 
1. LaDainian Tomlinson

2. Steven Jackson

3. Larry Johnson

4. Joseph Addai

5. Frank Gore

6. Brian Westbrook

7. Shaun Alexander

8. Reggie Bush

9. Clinton Portis

10. Rudi Johnson

11. Ronnie Brown

12. Willie Parker

13. Travis Henry

14. Maurice Jones-Drew

15. Laurence Maroney

16. Willis McGahee

17. Edgerrin James

18.Cedric Benson

19.Thomas Jones

20. Deuce McAllister

21. Cadillac Williams

22. Ahman Green

23. Marshawn Lynch

24. Marion Barber

25. Adrian Peterson

26. DeAngelo Williams

27. Julius Jones

28. Kevin Jones

29. Brandon Jacobs

30. Fred Taylor

31. Chester Taylor

32. Jerious Norwood

33. Warrick Dunn

34. Jamal Lewis

35. Brandon Jackson

36. LenDale White

37. Dominic Rhodes
1. L. T.2. L. J.

3. S. Jackson

4. Frank Gore

5. Brian Westbrook

6. Shaun Alexander

7. Willie Parker

8. Clinton Portis

9. Rudy Johnson

10. M. J. D.

11. Joe Addai

12. Travis Henry

13. Reggie Bush

14. Willis McGahee

15. L. Maroney

16. Caddy Williams

17. Ronnie Brown

18. Edge James

19. Cedric Benson

20. Adrian Peterson

Pretty close to what I have, but it's very early. :goodposting:

 
Even PPR, Adrian Peterson has potential to be top 10 and IMO he will finish top 15 without too many problems. You have him ranked 25. That's pretty low, can you explain to me why?
On talent alone he moves into the top 5, but that's not all that matters in fantasy. Opportunity is a huge aspect of determining a players value. AD has two significant uncertainties. 1) Will his shoulder be able to withstand the pounding that an NFL back must receive and 2) How will MIN's RB touches be divied up between him anbd Chester Taylor. Look what happened to Cedric Benson. He is just now, being given the opportunity to be the starting RB. It took until Thomas Jones left the building. No one knows what will happen to rookies when they make it to the NFL. All you can do is guess. I think AD will be a top fantasy option in the future, I'm just not sure it will be in '07. My rankling of RB25 is much higher than you see most of the staff rank him.
 
Even PPR, Adrian Peterson has potential to be top 10 and IMO he will finish top 15 without too many problems. You have him ranked 25. That's pretty low, can you explain to me why?
On talent alone he moves into the top 5, but that's not all that matters in fantasy. Opportunity is a huge aspect of determining a players value. AD has two significant uncertainties. 1) Will his shoulder be able to withstand the pounding that an NFL back must receive and 2) How will MIN's RB touches be divied up between him anbd Chester Taylor. Look what happened to Cedric Benson. He is just now, being given the opportunity to be the starting RB. It took until Thomas Jones left the building. No one knows what will happen to rookies when they make it to the NFL. All you can do is guess. I think AD will be a top fantasy option in the future, I'm just not sure it will be in '07. My rankling of RB25 is much higher than you see most of the staff rank him.
Based off of early reports on AD indicating he is doing well in pass protection, catching the ball and that his shoulder will not require surgurey it leads me to think that Chester.. as much as I like Chester... will not be able to take a significant role from AD.Before these reports which I fully admit are early and not enough to base solid conclushions from.. but based off these reports it is leading me to think that Chester will not have a clear 3rd down role as I believed he would prior to these reports. There has been talk of using Chester and AD in tandem as well and the possibility of AD being split wide as a WR at times which I had never imagined him being used in this manner before...I would easily take the over on where AD finishes of 25 in your rankings.I have not finished all of my team projections yet and have not touched Minnesota yet so I cannot say where exactly I see AD falling. But he is going to be a solid RB2 I think with major push coming later in the season than early on. Probobly falling in the 12-18 range is what I am thinking but possibly higher than that.
 
Even PPR, Adrian Peterson has potential to be top 10 and IMO he will finish top 15 without too many problems. You have him ranked 25. That's pretty low, can you explain to me why?
On talent alone he moves into the top 5, but that's not all that matters in fantasy. Opportunity is a huge aspect of determining a players value. AD has two significant uncertainties. 1) Will his shoulder be able to withstand the pounding that an NFL back must receive and 2) How will MIN's RB touches be divied up between him anbd Chester Taylor. Look what happened to Cedric Benson. He is just now, being given the opportunity to be the starting RB. It took until Thomas Jones left the building. No one knows what will happen to rookies when they make it to the NFL. All you can do is guess. I think AD will be a top fantasy option in the future, I'm just not sure it will be in '07. My rankling of RB25 is much higher than you see most of the staff rank him.
Based off of early reports on AD indicating he is doing well in pass protection, catching the ball and that his shoulder will not require surgurey it leads me to think that Chester.. as much as I like Chester... will not be able to take a significant role from AD.Before these reports which I fully admit are early and not enough to base solid conclushions from.. but based off these reports it is leading me to think that Chester will not have a clear 3rd down role as I believed he would prior to these reports. There has been talk of using Chester and AD in tandem as well and the possibility of AD being split wide as a WR at times which I had never imagined him being used in this manner before...I would easily take the over on where AD finishes of 25 in your rankings.I have not finished all of my team projections yet and have not touched Minnesota yet so I cannot say where exactly I see AD falling. But he is going to be a solid RB2 I think with major push coming later in the season than early on. Probobly falling in the 12-18 range is what I am thinking but possibly higher than that.
I know AD is a major talent, but i think a ranking/performance "under" 25 is going to be a disappointment. I don't think Taylor is a great back back, but I think he is good enough to relegate AD to a secondary role for a part of the season. AD will need to have an incredible 2nd half in order to make up the ground to finsh as a Top 25 back. I believe the Bush/McCallister anolmaly is just that...a unique situation where both backs finished in the Top 20 and mind you they had Brees and Colston supporting that effort. I don't think Tavarious Jackson will strike the fear in defenses to support his RBs in such a way.
 
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Even PPR, Adrian Peterson has potential to be top 10 and IMO he will finish top 15 without too many problems. You have him ranked 25. That's pretty low, can you explain to me why?
On talent alone he moves into the top 5, but that's not all that matters in fantasy. Opportunity is a huge aspect of determining a players value. AD has two significant uncertainties. 1) Will his shoulder be able to withstand the pounding that an NFL back must receive and 2) How will MIN's RB touches be divied up between him anbd Chester Taylor. Look what happened to Cedric Benson. He is just now, being given the opportunity to be the starting RB. It took until Thomas Jones left the building. No one knows what will happen to rookies when they make it to the NFL. All you can do is guess. I think AD will be a top fantasy option in the future, I'm just not sure it will be in '07. My rankling of RB25 is much higher than you see most of the staff rank him.
Based off of early reports on AD indicating he is doing well in pass protection, catching the ball and that his shoulder will not require surgurey it leads me to think that Chester.. as much as I like Chester... will not be able to take a significant role from AD.Before these reports which I fully admit are early and not enough to base solid conclushions from.. but based off these reports it is leading me to think that Chester will not have a clear 3rd down role as I believed he would prior to these reports. There has been talk of using Chester and AD in tandem as well and the possibility of AD being split wide as a WR at times which I had never imagined him being used in this manner before...I would easily take the over on where AD finishes of 25 in your rankings.I have not finished all of my team projections yet and have not touched Minnesota yet so I cannot say where exactly I see AD falling. But he is going to be a solid RB2 I think with major push coming later in the season than early on. Probobly falling in the 12-18 range is what I am thinking but possibly higher than that.
I know AD is a major talent, but i think a ranking/performance "under" 25 is going to be a disappointment. I don't think Taylor is a great back back, but I think he is good enough to relegate AD to a secondary role for a part of the season. He will need to have an incredible 2nd half in order to make up the ground to finsh as a Top 25 back. I believe the Bush/McCallister anolmally is just that...a unique situation where both back finished in the Top 20 and mind you they had Brees and Colston suppopsrting that effort. I don't think Tavarious Jackson will strike the fear in defenses to support his RBs in such a way.
You bring up some good points and those are my concerns as well.However the early reports about AD being better than expected in pass pro and catching the ball is leading me to think he wont be understudy to Chester long if at all. TC will be very important to pay attention to. As far as the green QB and WR issues this does have to also be a concern. However I was looking at weasels study of pass catching RBs and there seems to be a connection to poor WR/TE and high numbers of catches by RB. So.. somthing to think about.. also based off of Childress's commitment to the running game I see both of these RBs working in tandem getting a huge workload combined. Even against unfavorable defensive fronts and pass attempts to be low.So with AD breaking off big plays early on in the season in games where the Vikings commit to running the ball as many as 40 times or more as long as they can there could be some big early numbers for AD even as he may be sharing more with Chester. Then later in the season I can see AD having 27+ touch games that will lead to even bigger numbers.Or maybe I am wearing purple hued glasses.So FWIW
 
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I don't understand why Addai is so high. He had one huge game against the Iggles last year, and pretty much every other game was non-#1 fantasy RB

Otherwise, I agree with the majority of the rankings except for one: put Shaun Alexander @ #2 ahead of SJax. I'd take the sure-fire top-5 RB over the higher risk SJax with my first round pick.

 
I don't understand why Addai is so high. He had one huge game against the Iggles last year, and pretty much every other game was non-#1 fantasy RBOtherwise, I agree with the majority of the rankings except for one: put Shaun Alexander @ #2 ahead of SJax. I'd take the sure-fire top-5 RB over the higher risk SJax with my first round pick.
SA over SJax? Explain that one to me, especially in a PPR.
 
Nice work Fro. It's the WRs rankings that make or break your WCOFF season. Looking forward to those from you.

 
I'll chime in to say nice work.I would be thrilled to have McGahee as my RB2.....
That depends for me. But, I sure don't want Willis as my RB2 if I'm picking 12th in WCOFF scoring. He doesn't exactly get a lot of catches. Now, if he's my RB2 after I already got LT with the first overall pick, you might be on to something.
 
I'll chime in to say nice work.I would be thrilled to have McGahee as my RB2.....
That depends for me. But, I sure don't want Willis as my RB2 if I'm picking 12th in WCOFF scoring. He doesn't exactly get a lot of catches. Now, if he's my RB2 after I already got LT with the first overall pick, you might be on to something.
Billick is stating that he's going to use McGahee more as a receiver this year, unlike his days in Buffalo and also unlike the usage of Jamal before Willis came to B'more.From a March 10th Baltimore Sun article (link removed due to age):
McGahee also answered questions Friday about his knee, which he says is "better than ever," and coach Brian Billick says the Ravens will use more swing and screen passes to take advantage of McGahee's effectiveness in space.
 
caddy's too talented to be 21 IMO
I wholeheartedly agree with this one. Caddy's on a bunch of my teams and I've been able to draft him at 3.06 or later in 16 teamers. Means he should be there at the beginning of the 4th in 12s. He's a steal there.
 
caddy's too talented to be 21 IMO
I wholeheartedly agree with this one. Caddy's on a bunch of my teams and I've been able to draft him at 3.06 or later in 16 teamers. Means he should be there at the beginning of the 4th in 12s. He's a steal there.
I haven't seen significant enough changes in the line nor the offensive scheme in TB.http://www.xpertsports.com/league/player.p...Ca00&full=1

Cadillac's stats were SO bad last year. I would rather take my chance with a WR in round 3 and get the same production from Kevin Faulk.

 

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