Fro's Initial WCOFF RB Rankings (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

caddy's too talented to be 21 IMO

I wholeheartedly agree with this one. Caddy's on a bunch of my teams and I've been able to draft him at 3.06 or later in 16 teamers. Means he should be there at the beginning of the 4th in 12s. He's a steal there.

I haven't seen significant enough changes in the line nor the offensive scheme in TB.http://www.xpertsports.com/league/player.p...Ca00&full=1

Cadillac's stats were SO bad last year. I would rather take my chance with a WR in round 3 and get the same production from Kevin Faulk.

Faulk? cmon now. I know over the years Faulk has been a sneaky WW plugin at RB due to his PPR value but he's old now and Caddy is far better than Faulk.You're right Caddy didn't have a good year last year and I too would like to see more from the TB GM about building them a line. However I think complicated Gruden inadvertently made their offense too simple last year. No one was scared of the pass until Galloway burned them, if he did. Their QBs left alot to be desired so the Ds were all over Caddy. I expect him to have learned from that and improve a bit. One year earlier, remember, when they went with a normal O (the rook) Caddy openned the season in a real impressive way. The enormous talent is there. I'm not saying he's a top 5 back, 21 seems too low. If his ADP is 21 and you've got him 21, strongly consider him.

BTW thus far, Hairston looks explosive every time he touches the ball. I believe that's exactly what was written at patriots.com. He's sure impressing. Morris is getting time playing the feature back role(Maroney out briefly) and the Faulk role in NE. The PPR Faulk value type player from NE might just be Morris this year. I strongly doubt it's Faulk anymore.

 

[lions327]

caddy's too talented to be 21 IMO

I wholeheartedly agree with this one. Caddy's on a bunch of my teams and I've been able to draft him at 3.06 or later in 16 teamers. Means he should be there at the beginning of the 4th in 12s. He's a steal there.

I haven't seen significant enough changes in the line nor the offensive scheme in TB.http://www.xpertsports.com/league/player.p...Ca00&full=1

Cadillac's stats were SO bad last year. I would rather take my chance with a WR in round 3 and get the same production from Kevin Faulk.

I was with you...until you mentioned Kevin Faulk.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

BTW thus far, Hairston looks explosive every time he touches the ball. I believe that's exactly what was written at patriots.com. He's sure impressing. Morris is getting time playing the feature back role(Maroney out briefly) and the Faulk role in NE. The PPR Faulk value type player from NE might just be Morris this year. I strongly doubt it's Faulk anymore.

Bri, Did you actually see Hairston first hand, or video of their OTAs?

 

[Fullback Fro]

caddy's too talented to be 21 IMO

I wholeheartedly agree with this one. Caddy's on a bunch of my teams and I've been able to draft him at 3.06 or later in 16 teamers. Means he should be there at the beginning of the 4th in 12s. He's a steal there.

I haven't seen significant enough changes in the line nor the offensive scheme in TB.http://www.xpertsports.com/league/player.p...Ca00&full=1

Cadillac's stats were SO bad last year. I would rather take my chance with a WR in round 3 and get the same production from Kevin Faulk.

I was with you...until you mentioned Kevin Faulk.

It was a joke. Jeez.

 

[Power Monster]

Frank Gore needs to slip into the second or third hole. Overrating LJ and Maurice Jones-Drew can move up into the top 8....

 

[Tiger Fan]

Nice work Fro. It's the WRs rankings that make or break your WCOFF season.

Drafting WRs is to ff as putting is to golf....you putt for dough.

Especially, when you've pushed in close to $2k. In a ppr league, don't forget to draft your WRs early. In any case, I don't want to keep pushing my suggestions. GL all.

the meeting batcave is open for disuccsion

 

[Tiger Fan]

re: Addai

He was RB12 in a PPR format last year. When you add his and Rhodes points together you get RB03. Now obviously, it's not as black and white as that; so RB04 isn't too much of a stretch for Addai.

It's not like he's going to last into the 2nd round anyway, so if you prefer him to another guy in that tier; you take him if you have the opportunity to do so.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Frank Gore needs to slip into the second or third hole. Overrating LJ and Maurice Jones-Drew can move up into the top 8....

Considering he was pulled from Goal Line work in favor of Robinson from mid-season on for failures to punch it in and Nolan stating that he overused him last year and needs to get other backs more involved and improve in the vertical passing game to reduce the number of touches Gore gets, moving him to number three is counter intuitive.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Interesting article on why LJ should remain at #3. With the increase in reception iut should make up for the negatives of losing some rushes and downgrades in the line.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/story/129877.html

For Johnson, there’s a catch

Edwards plans for Chiefs’ tailback to have more balls thrown to him next season.

By JASON KING

The Kansas City Star

The Chiefs want to see Larry Johnson catch more passes next season.

NFL.com

KCChiefs.com

One year after setting an NFL record with 416 carries, Chiefs All-Pro Larry Johnson will likely become an ever bigger part of Kansas City’s offense in 2007.

So says head coach Herm Edwards, who on Wednesday expressed his intentions to get Johnson more touches not as a tailback — but as a receiver.

“That’s the next step in his development as a running back in this league: His ability to come out of the backfield running routes,” Edwards said. “We need to get the ball to our backs a little more than we did last year.”

Johnson caught a respectable 41 passes for 410 yards in 2006, but Edwards said that number should rise to at least 60 this season. He said Johnson’s bullish running style and 6-foot-1, 230-pound frame are ideal for a back who doubles as a receiver.

“If you’ve got athletic players like Larry who can catch the ball out of the backfield, they can make plays,” Edwards said. “If he catches 60 passes … to me it’s like an extended run. It’s almost like a toss play.

“He’s out of harm’s way and he’s in the secondary already when he gets the ball, so he doesn’t have to run through the defensive line. When you can do that with a guy who has some speed and is hard to tackle already in the open field because he’s so big and strong, it gives you another weapon.”

Of course, before he begins to worry about gaining yards, Johnson has to catch the ball first. Simple as the task may seem, it’s not always easy for running backs — especially those who haven’t been utilized in such a fashion before.

Johnson’s backup, Michael Bennett, said he caught just one pass during his collegiate career before becoming more of a receiving threat with the Minnesota Vikings, his former team.

“Hopefully they’ll use it a lot here, too,” Bennett said. “With the type of offense we have, everyone is looking for the run. It’d be a great thing to get the ball out of the backfield, that way we can keep the defense honest.

“It’s really just a matter of getting used to it,” Bennett said. “With catching, it’s just got to become a habit. I think we all catch the ball pretty well out of the backfield.”

That includes Johnson, who’s caught 74 passes the last two years. He also snared 41 passes as a senior at Penn State.

Edwards said it’s been obvious during the Chiefs’ organized team activities the last two weeks that Johnson is focused on enhancing his role as a receiver.

“He’s been the leader of the backs,” Edwards said. “He’s finishing all his plays. He’s very conscientious of coming out of the backfield and being a productive pass-catcher. He’s working on being more defined in his routes.”

 

[doomsdaydoc]

re: AddaiHe was RB12 in a PPR format last year. When you add his and Rhodes points together you get RB03. Now obviously, it's not as black and white as that; so RB04 isn't too much of a stretch for Addai.It's not like he's going to last into the 2nd round anyway, so if you prefer him to another guy in that tier; you take him if you have the opportunity to do so.

The problem with Addai is that 4 of his 7 TDs came in one game. I like him too, but I am not sure if he is safe enough to take that early when there are players that clearly have done it better and for longer (hopefully not too long). This would be a high risk/high reward pick and I am not sure if that is the kind of thing one should do from the middle of the first round.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Frank Gore needs to slip into the second or third hole. Overrating LJ and Maurice Jones-Drew can move up into the top 8....

Considering he was pulled from Goal Line work in favor of Robinson from mid-season on for failures to punch it in and Nolan stating that he overused him last year and needs to get other backs more involved and improve in the vertical passing game to reduce the number of touches Gore gets, moving him to number three is counter intuitive.

plus no Norv

 

[Tiger Fan]

re: Addai

He was RB12 in a PPR format last year. When you add his and Rhodes points together you get RB03. Now obviously, it's not as black and white as that; so RB04 isn't too much of a stretch for Addai.

It's not like he's going to last into the 2nd round anyway, so if you prefer him to another guy in that tier; you take him if you have the opportunity to do so.

The problem with Addai is that 4 of his 7 TDs came in one game. I like him too, but I am not sure if he is safe enough to take that early when there are players that clearly have done it better and for longer (hopefully not too long). This would be a high risk/high reward pick and I am not sure if that is the kind of thing one should do from the middle of the first round.

1. So did Reggie's2. No doubt that his TD totals will increase being the primary RB in the most potent offense in the league.

I'm not saying that he is the clear cut #4, not am I disagreeing if you want to rank him #8.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Frank Gore needs to slip into the second or third hole. Overrating LJ and Maurice Jones-Drew can move up into the top 8....

Considering he was pulled from Goal Line work in favor of Robinson from mid-season on for failures to punch it in and Nolan stating that he overused him last year and needs to get other backs more involved and improve in the vertical passing game to reduce the number of touches Gore gets, moving him to number three is counter intuitive.

plus no Norv

This will hurt more than most thinkpaging Lamont Jordan

 

[Power Monster]

Frank Gore needs to slip into the second or third hole. Overrating LJ and Maurice Jones-Drew can move up into the top 8....

Considering he was pulled from Goal Line work in favor of Robinson from mid-season on for failures to punch it in and Nolan stating that he overused him last year and needs to get other backs more involved and improve in the vertical passing game to reduce the number of touches Gore gets, moving him to number three is counter intuitive.

plus no Norv

:XThis will hurt more than most thinkpaging Lamont Jordan

I am not buying that one just yet but we shall see when exhibition kicks off. Nolan started thinking the same way in the middle of the season until they just let Gore run wild. Plus, he has upside with his ability to catch the ball and they just paid him a #### load of money. Why would they pay him a ton of cash to have him take a slip in production?

 

[Cookiemonster]

Frank Gore needs to slip into the second or third hole. Overrating LJ and Maurice Jones-Drew can move up into the top 8....

Considering he was pulled from Goal Line work in favor of Robinson from mid-season on for failures to punch it in and Nolan stating that he overused him last year and needs to get other backs more involved and improve in the vertical passing game to reduce the number of touches Gore gets, moving him to number three is counter intuitive.

plus no Norv

This will hurt more than most thinkpaging Lamont Jordan

I am not buying that one just yet but we shall see when exhibition kicks off. Nolan started thinking the same way in the middle of the season until they just let Gore run wild. Plus, he has upside with his ability to catch the ball and they just paid him a #### load of money. Why would they pay him a ton of cash to have him take a slip in production?

K.Barlow down?

 

[Bri]

BTW thus far, Hairston looks explosive every time he touches the ball. I believe that's exactly what was written at patriots.com. He's sure impressing. Morris is getting time playing the feature back role(Maroney out briefly) and the Faulk role in NE. The PPR Faulk value type player from NE might just be Morris this year. I strongly doubt it's Faulk anymore.

Bri, Did you actually see Hairston first hand, or video of their OTAs?

Whatever I saw at Pats.com, I think. I don't know article or video but I wanna say it was in an article.I watched some of those Cecil shows finally, nfl.com stuff, googled some videos, and....watched a bunch the other day. Only not so well known prospect I can recall is Todd Lowber from Minny.

watch this, short

http://www.footballhangout.com/Newsroom/lowber.html

Then please get digging and find out more about that guy OK? I'm starting to think you and Bloom were keeping his name quiet on purpose

<_<

 

[Bri]

It was a joke. Jeez.

 

[Bri]

Jeff,

http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=...795&pcid=41

 

[LBH]

Im loving not only T.Jones prospects for this year, but where you can get him in a draft. Heres a guy who has 1500+total yds in each of his last 2 seasons and is going to top 10 team in rush attempts with an OL that should be better with another year of Mangold and D'brick developing. The Jets also scored 15 rush TDs on the ground last year with a very mediocre commitee, 11 of which came from Barlow/Houston. I also believe that his presence there will play to Penningtons biggest strength, the play action pass. I really feel that TJ is a perfect fit for this "just move the chains, and manage the game" kind of offense, and its my opinion that he will be well utilized as a pass reciever out of the backfield. I think Leon Washington will see some time on the field but mostly on long passing downs. Again, hes a bargain for where Ive seen him going in redrafts and dynastys which is mostly in the 3rd and 4th rd. \

my projections....

1200yds rushing 50 rec 450yds 12 tds

 

[Slider]

Thomas Jones and Caddy are way too low. They'll be the steal of many drafts this year.

 

[Family Matters]

Nice list Fro. Appreciate your work on this. I'm going to add a few thoughts that may differ but I think we see them fairly close when all is said and done.

1. LaDainian Tomlinson-He's the only one that you can put here.2. Steven Jackson-I have LJ #2 but he and Jackson are very close.3. Larry Johnson 4. Joseph Addai-I love him but 4 is his upside IMO. I would have to think Westy with a red flag. 5. Frank Gore-You can put him anywhere from 4-6 and not get an argument from me.6. Brian Westbrook-The only concern is injury. He'll likely miss 1-2 games and you have to hope it's not in your playoffs or your screwed.7. Shaun Alexander-Total value here.8. Reggie Bush-I'm starting to think higher in PPR. Some say 4 but I'm thinking maybe 6-7.9. Clinton Portis-If he rebounds then he's a solid value at 9.10. Rudi Johnson 11. Ronnie Brown 12. Willie Parker-Another guy I'm coming around to. He should be top 9 for sure.13. Travis Henry 14. Maurice Jones-Drew-If Taylor plays 16 games then I don't like him finishing top 15. But having him and Taylor in a survivor isn't so bad IMO.15. Laurence Maroney-I have him top 10 if healthy. If they utilize him properly then he's a steal at 15.16. Willis McGahee 17. Edgerrin James-I'm liking his chances of being top 11. I would take him in a dynasty but this year? I'd ride him as my RB2 easy. 18.Cedric Benson 19.Thomas Jones 20. Deuce McAllister 21. Cadillac Williams 22. Ahman Green 23. Marshawn Lynch-He's in a position to have a solid year. Not sure where I would rank him until I see him.24. Marion Barber 25. Adrian Peterson 26. DeAngelo Williams 27. Julius Jones 28. Kevin Jones 29. Brandon Jacobs 30. Fred Taylor 31. Chester Taylor 32. Jerious Norwood 33. Warrick Dunn 34. Jamal Lewis 35. Brandon Jackson-Way too low. Like Lynch, he's in a position to have a solid year. Not sure where I would rank him until I see him. I think he drafted in Rd 2 to become their guy.36. LenDale White 37. Dominic Rhodes 38. Lamont Jordan-He has to be better than 38 in PPR.39. Ladel Betts 40. Vernand Morency 41. DeShaun Foster 42. Michael Turner 43. Tatum Bell 44. Mikle Bell 45. Leon Washington 46. Reuben Droughns 47. Chris Henry 48. Chris Perry 49. Kevin Faulk 50. Lorenzo Booker

 

[John Mamula]

yo fro. i just finished my initial cut...

1. LT

2. LJ

3. SJAX

4. Gore

5. FWP

6. Westbrook

7. Addai

8. MJD (aka The Shocker)

9. The Incomparable Reggie Bush

10. Portis (The U...HOLLA)

11. Edge (see above)

12. Laurence (where is the W) Maroney

13. Shaun Alexander (look in the rear view mirror...that was the peak of your career)

14. Ronnie Brown (thanks for nothing last year)

15. Rudi Johnson

16. Willis McGahee

17. TJones

18. Reuben Droughns (I may need to rethink this)

19. Travis Henry (I think he should be higher perhaps)

20. Jerious Norwood (Warrick is Done)

21. Kevin Jones

22. Caddy

23. Deuce

24. Chester Taylor

25. DeAngelo

26. Ahman

27. MBIII

28. JaLew

29. Marshawn Lynch (the top rookie RB this year)

30. Benson

31. Rhodes

32. JJones

33. BJAX

34. DeShaun

35. Fragile Freddy

36. AP

37. Brandon Jacobs

38. Wali

39. Wolfe

40. FatDale (aka the Choco Donut)

41. Morencey

42. Mewelde Moore

43. Pittman

44. Chris Henry

45. Mike Bell

46. Warrick Dunn and Dunner

47. LaMont

48. Correll Buckhalter ([HAL] User has been booted from the system)

49. Leon Washington

50. Kfed I mean KFaulk

 

[bostonfred]

Nice work Fro. It's the WRs rankings that make or break your WCOFF season.

Drafting WRs is to ff as putting is to golf....you putt for dough.

Especially, when you've pushed in close to $2k. In a ppr league, don't forget to draft your WRs early. In any case, I don't want to keep pushing my suggestions. GL all.

the meeting batcave is open for disuccsion

O RLY?

 

[JayMan]

yo fro. i just finished my initial cut...1. LT2. LJ3. SJAX4. Gore5. FWP6. Westbrook7. Addai8. MJD (aka The Shocker)9. The Incomparable Reggie Bush10. Portis (The U...HOLLA)11. Edge (see above)12. Laurence (where is the W) Maroney13. Shaun Alexander (look in the rear view mirror...that was the peak of your career)14. Ronnie Brown (thanks for nothing last year)15. Rudi Johnson16. Willis McGahee17. TJones18. Reuben Droughns (I may need to rethink this)19. Travis Henry (I think he should be higher perhaps)20. Jerious Norwood (Warrick is Done)21. Kevin Jones22. Caddy23. Deuce24. Chester Taylor25. DeAngelo26. Ahman27. MBIII28. JaLew29. Marshawn Lynch (the top rookie RB this year)30. Benson31. Rhodes32. JJones33. BJAX34. DeShaun35. Fragile Freddy36. AP37. Brandon Jacobs38. Wali39. Wolfe40. FatDale (aka the Choco Donut)41. Morencey42. Mewelde Moore43. Pittman44. Chris Henry45. Mike Bell46. Warrick Dunn and Dunner47. LaMont48. Correll Buckhalter ([HAL] User has been booted from the system)49. Leon Washington50. Kfed I mean KFaulk

My 2 cents...Too highroughns - Norwood - CTaylor - Rhodes - FosterToo low:Green - Benson - PetersonMissing:Turner - TBell

 

[radballs]

Nice work Fro. It's the WRs rankings that make or break your WCOFF season.

Drafting WRs is to ff as putting is to golf....you putt for dough.

Especially, when you've pushed in close to $2k. In a ppr league, don't forget to draft your WRs early. In any case, I don't want to keep pushing my suggestions. GL all.

the meeting batcave is open for disuccsion

O RLY?

Are you playing this year Fred?

 

[JayMan]

1. LaDainian Tomlinson 2. Steven Jackson 3. Larry Johnson 4. Joseph Addai 5. Frank Gore 6. Brian Westbrook 7. Shaun Alexander 8. Reggie Bush 9. Clinton Portis 10. Rudi Johnson 11. Ronnie Brown 12. Willie Parker 13. Travis Henry 14. Maurice Jones-Drew 15. Laurence Maroney 16. Willis McGahee 17. Edgerrin James 18.Cedric Benson 19.Thomas Jones 20. Deuce McAllister 21. Cadillac Williams 22. Ahman Green 23. Marshawn Lynch 24. Marion Barber 25. Adrian Peterson 26. DeAngelo Williams 27. Julius Jones 28. Kevin Jones 29. Brandon Jacobs 30. Fred Taylor 31. Chester Taylor 32. Jerious Norwood 33. Warrick Dunn 34. Jamal Lewis 35. Brandon Jackson 36. LenDale White 37. Dominic Rhodes 38. Lamont Jordan 39. Ladel Betts 40. Vernand Morency 41. DeShaun Foster 42. Michael Turner 43. Tatum Bell 44. Mikle Bell 45. Leon Washington 46. Reuben Droughns 47. Chris Henry 48. Chris Perry 49. Kevin Faulk 50. Lorenzo Booker

wonderful list ... here's the one I posted in a similar (but evidently less popular thread )

LaDainian Tomlinson, SDSteven Jackson, STLBrian Westbrook, PHILarry Johnson, KCFrank Gore, SFReggie Bush, NOJoseph Addai, INDWillie Parker, PITMaurice Jones-Drew, JAXShaun Alexander, SEALaurence Maroney, NERudi Johnson, CINEdgerrin James, ARIClinton Portis, WASRonnie Brown, MIATravis Henry, DENWillis McGahee, BALAhman Green, HOUCedric Benson, CHIThomas Jones, NYJAdrian Peterson, MINBrandon Jacobs, NYGDeuce McAllister, NOCadillac Williams, TBKevin Jones, DETDeAngelo Williams, CARMarion Barber III, DALMarshawn Lynch, BUFJamal Lewis, CLELenDale White, TENVernand Morency, GBFred Taylor, JAXLadell Betts, WASWarrick Dunn, ATLBrandon Jackson, GBJerious Norwood, ATLJulius Jones, DALChester Taylor, MINReuben Droughns, NYGLaMont Jordan, OAKTatum Bell, DETMichael Turner, SDLeon Washington, NYJDeShaun Foster, CARMichael Pittman, TBDominic Rhodes, OAKMike Bell, DENCorrell Buckhalter, PHI

Only notable differences (at least 5 spots)...Higher on your part: JJones - CTaylor - RhodesLower on your part: Jacobs

 

[John Mamula]

My 2 cents...Too highroughns - Norwood - CTaylor - Rhodes - FosterToo low:Green - Benson - PetersonMissing:Turner - TBell

not missing turner or bell...just not top 50.

 

[JayMan]

My 2 cents...Too highroughns - Norwood - CTaylor - Rhodes - FosterToo low:Green - Benson - PetersonMissing:Turner - TBell

not missing turner or bell...just not top 50.

I was not stating 'missing' as an oversight... but my beliefs that they will end up being in the top50... we can only respectfully disagree on this... great list you have come up with

 

[John Mamula]

My 2 cents...Too highroughns - Norwood - CTaylor - Rhodes - FosterToo low:Green - Benson - PetersonMissing:Turner - TBell

not missing turner or bell...just not top 50.

I was not stating 'missing' as an oversight... but my beliefs that they will end up being in the top50... we can only respectfully disagree on this... great list you have come up with

i didn't have a lot of time to respond (so maybe i should not have) but i think the chargers as a team come back a bit in terms of rushing. i think this impacts both LT and turner a bit.i have turner somewhere in between 2006 and 2005 in terms of production. obviously there are other factors at work such as the potential to be a top 10 guy if LT goes down to draft him higher than his pure stats would indicate.tbell i think will go back to his 2004 production behind jones but that is highly dependent on jones' recovery.obviously things could break differently over the course of the summer to bump bell up somewhat.i know my rankings from now will shift over the next 3 months.

 

[bostonfred]

Nice work Fro. It's the WRs rankings that make or break your WCOFF season.

Drafting WRs is to ff as putting is to golf....you putt for dough.

Especially, when you've pushed in close to $2k. In a ppr league, don't forget to draft your WRs early. In any case, I don't want to keep pushing my suggestions. GL all.

the meeting batcave is open for disuccsion

O RLY?

Are you playing this year Fred?

Still deciding. Last year I went with one of my GBs who posts here. This year we may be doing my bachelor party instead. If that happens we'll still try to do NFFC or something closer to home.

 

[Fullback Fro]

Good Reread

 

[Fullback Fro]

caddy's too talented to be 21 IMO

I wholeheartedly agree with this one. Caddy's on a bunch of my teams and I've been able to draft him at 3.06 or later in 16 teamers. Means he should be there at the beginning of the 4th in 12s. He's a steal there.

I haven't seen significant enough changes in the line nor the offensive scheme in TB.http://www.xpertsports.com/league/player.p...Ca00&full=1

Cadillac's stats were SO bad last year. I would rather take my chance with a WR in round 3 and get the same production from Kevin Faulk.

Looks like I was right in this statement