Frustrated Packers Exploring Trade Possibility To Vikings/Bears (1 Viewer)

[CletiusMaximus]

Even if Favre adds only 1-2 more wins in the regular season, he gives them a far better chance to win in the playoffs than Jackson does.

I remember the last playoff game against the Vikings. I was in the north end zone that day and got mooned by Randy Moss. The Hayseed didn't give the home team a very good chance to win that day.

Dude. When you're arguing this way, you're implicitly saying Tarvaris Jackson is better than Brett Favre this year. Think about that for a second.

tongue in cheek

 

[Mimo]

I bet he ends up a Bear or Viking by Friday. He can't show up in Green Bay it will be a circus.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Even if Favre adds only 1-2 more wins in the regular season, he gives them a far better chance to win in the playoffs than Jackson does.

I remember the last playoff game against the Vikings. I was in the north end zone that day and got mooned by Randy Moss. The Hayseed didn't give the home team a very good chance to win that day.

Dude. When you're arguing this way, you're implicitly saying Tarvaris Jackson is better than Brett Favre this year. Think about that for a second.

tongue in cheek

Not a good phrase to use when you're talking about a mooning.

 

[Fedor Emelianenko]

God I love this, the Packer fans are turning on their hero.

 

[T Bell]

Ok, here's my conspiracy theory/utter speculation, vol. 2:

Ted Thompson goes to Matt Millen and says, "Matt, I'm in a jam and I need a favor. I've got to get rid of Favre, but I can't let him go to Minnesota or the Bears. You don't want that to happen either.

"You've got the most salary cap space in the league, so why don't I trade him to you for a low draft pick. I'll even take a 7th rounder in 2010 - nobody on earth will criticize you for trading that one to me.

"Meanwhile, you guys are rebuilding and either you benefit from a year of fan excitement and full stands and merchandise sales of Favre jerseys in powder blue, or Favre doesn't report and just re-retires, and you don't even have to pay him. What do you say?"

The best part about this scenario is that Millen won't be interested in trading Favre's to a division rival, which is the main concern that the Packers have.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Let's get this done by Saturday so I can see him at Vikings training camp, mmkay?

I've done a 180 and decided that I'm okay with having Favre as a Viking.

Minnesota is a lock for the playoffs with the talent on their team right now -- but with Tavaris Jackson at QB, they will not win a playoff game...Favre instantly gives them a fighting chance to win some playoff games, and IMO makes them the favorite to go to the SB from the NFC...

There is no lock to make the playoffs for Minny.Sure...its most likely going to happen...but not a lock by any means.

To say anyone in the NFL is a lock to make the playoffs outside of New England, is ridiculous. For example, even the cowboys, the favorite in the nfc, aren't a lock to make the playoffs. If TO goes down for the season early, they would be lucky to be 8-8.

I think Minny is the significant favorite to win the north, but they are no lock.

Btw, if Minny gets Farve, I really think he only improves them by maybe 1 game. Favre will lose the Vikings just as many games as TJax, but I think it's fair to say he would win them 1 game that TJax wouldn't.

You're delusional sir.And I'm not even really a Favre fan.

Yeah, given that that team already has a first class running game and defense, the explosiveness that Favre could add to the passing game could be huge. I think he could improve them by 2-3 regular season wins, which would turn a borderline 9-win team into a very good 11 or 12-win team. The key here is that Favre would not be asked to carry the team on his back, sort of like Elway was at the end of his career. It would be fun to watch, but it would also be a nightmare for Green Bay as it was happening, so I understand their reluctance to allow this to happen.

Here's where I think you guys are off:First, you guys aren't accounting for the learning curve. This isn't Madden Football, this is real life. If Favre had joined the team in June, then I would be close to being on the same page as you guys, but he didn't. Vikings training camp has already started. It's going to take time for Farve to learn the offense, and more importantly get chemistry with his receivers. It doesn't look like this trade is going to happen any time soon which means more lost practice time. Also there's no go-to-guy like Driver on the Vikings roster.

Second, TJax made huge strides as a starter towards the end of last season, and is reportedly looking very sharp in camp. He's worked his tail off this offseason. Btw, he was 8-4 as a starter last year. I think that's his floor for this season. He just needs to make a few plays per game and not turn the ball over and the Vikings will win ball games.

Third, Favre isn't going to put up the #'s in Minny (or GB for that matter, which TT obviously knows) that he did last year in GB. Not even close. Also, he'll turn the ball over way more than TJax by forcing things as is his modus operandi, imo. Granted, he'll also account for more td's.

With Favre, I see the Vikings being able to come back and win 1 ball game, maybe 2 at most, where if they had TJax he would not be able to get it done.

I think the Vikings are a 10-6/11-5 team with TJax. With Favre, 11-5/12-4. Therein lies the 1 game difference. I don't see the Vikings winning 13-15 games simply by adding Farve.....

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Way to tarnish your legacy Brett... now maybe those who loved you unconditionally will actually recognize all the times you cost their team a chance in the playoffs - even if you were a key (or THE key) reason they were there.

I actually think he's defining his legacy here. You may be bitter that he won't ride off into the sunset, but I admire that each season he gives it his all to the point that each off-season he doesn't think he has anything left to give. Ok, so has he held the team hostage? Probably. Has it always been far of him to do so? Probably not, but at least it's honest. Brett just wants to play. I don't have a problem with it despite all the haters who's have you believe it is an issue.Let Brett be Brett.

He just wants to play...sure...on his own terms. If he just wanted to play...he would have no problem with a trade to the Jets or Bucs.But its not working like that right now.

He just wants to play for the Packers. Or the Vikings. I bet he'd play for the Pats if Brady got hurt.

Or some other teams that Cook was possibly trying to contact earlier this year?Like I said...he wants it his way...but its not just "he wants to play".

Have you ever bothered to put yourself in Brett's shoes? Do you want to finish your career with some crappy team, or try to force your way to a contending team that needs you, wants you, and employs former coaches and colleagues? Almost any competitive athlete would want the same things that Brett does. Maybe they wouldn't go about it the same way, but just suggesting that he's a bad person because he doesn't want to be traded to some crappy team is ridiculous.

If the situation arose on the 20th of June I would truly understand Brett's position. He wants to play and he says he wants to play for his longtime team. He is told that can't happen. 2nd choice would be to play for a contender -- especially one where he has friends, former coaches and a similar offense to the one he has run the past 16 years. I understand. But look at the response that you are replyinig to. Earlier this year Cook sent out feelers to other teams about Brett playing for them. This is before Brett told the Packers he wanted to play, and before the Packers told Brett that they had moved on.

Why at that point, before he decided to play and before the Packers told him they have moved on was Brett's agent trying to find out what teams were intested in Brett?

Well it certainly makes some sense to see what teams may be interested before making this decision to come back. If it turns out that Cook asked around way back then, and every team he asked, including the Vikings, said they weren't interested, then Favre has much less leverage. Maybe he sees that the only team to play for again is the Packers and he knows that they want to move on with Rodgers so he stays retired. I look at it as finding out what your options are, as well as finding out whether other NFL types still think you can play. At that point he knew that TT wanted to move on with Rodgers, even if that wasn't public yet. So we wanted to see if other teams agreed that he should stay retired.

So you are saying that it makes sense to see what other teams want Favre to play QB before Favre even communicates that he wants to play again to the team that has him under contract? Why would that matter if he wanted to play QB for the Packers. Just pick up the phone and tell them, no need for your agent to contact the Vikings and see if they are interested.In June Favre said he wanted to play again and play for the Packers. Why would he have his agent talk to other teams in April?? Why would he want leverage?

This only makes sense if Favre's true intention was to play, but not for the Packers. And then to wait until the right time to spring his desire on the Packers in such a way as to force his release.

Your scenario is certainly possible, but I think it's also possible that he knew that GB did not want him back and wanted to move on with Rodgers (which again, is defensible) and he had his agent see if other teams thought that same or thought he could still play. You're acting as though in April Cook was trying to work out deals with other teams. It's just more likely that he was just floating the idea of Favre playing in 2008 and if it wasn't for the Packers, would you be interested? I think that's a reasonable thing for him to do if he thought that the Packers wouldn't take him back.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Ok, here's my conspiracy theory/utter speculation, vol. 2:

Ted Thompson goes to Matt Millen and says, "Matt, I'm in a jam and I need a favor. I've got to get rid of Favre, but I can't let him go to Minnesota or the Bears. You don't want that to happen either.

"You've got the most salary cap space in the league, so why don't I trade him to you for a low draft pick. I'll even take a 7th rounder in 2010 - nobody on earth will criticize you for trading that one to me.

"Meanwhile, you guys are rebuilding and either you benefit from a year of fan excitement and full stands and merchandise sales of Favre jerseys in powder blue, or Favre doesn't report and just re-retires, and you don't even have to pay him. What do you say?"

The best part about this scenario is that Millen won't be interested in trading Favre's to a division rival, which is the main concern that the Packers have.

I like this.

 

[sho nuff]

Some people only wants to see Favre in the worst possible scenarios, Miami, Atlanta, retired, rotting on the bench, because their worst fear is Favre doing in 1 season with Minnesota what he accomplished in his whole career with Green Bay.

More nonsense.I have not said I want him on some crappy team. Can you spin and misrepresent things any more than you already do...just to keep arguing?Its worse than arguing with my 3 year old. He is at least a bit more logical.What he accomplished in his whole career?So in one year he will win 3 MVPs, set passing records, go to 2 Super Bowls and win one of them? Or is the one super bowl win the only thing he accomplished in his career?Its not a fear of him going to Minny...its being a Packer fan and realizing I don't want to give them their best chance at the Super Bowl.

You have said multiple times that you'd want to see him in Miami, Atlanta, most often on the bench or re-retired. The one Superbowl win is all HE is concerned with, and it would be all I'd be concerned with, either if I was in your shoes or simply as a Vikings fan.

Multiple times huh?Care to post one single time I just said Id like to see him in Miami or Atlanta...most often on the bench or re-retired?Im betting you cannot find it....actually, I am betting you might throw a small effort if any at all...then find some quote that says nothing like you are claiming...and then try and claim you just "owned" me. That would be par for the course for you.

 

[T Bell]

Let's get this done by Saturday so I can see him at Vikings training camp, mmkay?

I've done a 180 and decided that I'm okay with having Favre as a Viking.

Minnesota is a lock for the playoffs with the talent on their team right now -- but with Tavaris Jackson at QB, they will not win a playoff game...Favre instantly gives them a fighting chance to win some playoff games, and IMO makes them the favorite to go to the SB from the NFC...

There is no lock to make the playoffs for Minny.Sure...its most likely going to happen...but not a lock by any means.

To say anyone in the NFL is a lock to make the playoffs outside of New England, is ridiculous. For example, even the cowboys, the favorite in the nfc, aren't a lock to make the playoffs. If TO goes down for the season early, they would be lucky to be 8-8.

I think Minny is the significant favorite to win the north, but they are no lock.

Btw, if Minny gets Farve, I really think he only improves them by maybe 1 game. Favre will lose the Vikings just as many games as TJax, but I think it's fair to say he would win them 1 game that TJax wouldn't.

You're delusional sir.And I'm not even really a Favre fan.

Yeah, given that that team already has a first class running game and defense, the explosiveness that Favre could add to the passing game could be huge. I think he could improve them by 2-3 regular season wins, which would turn a borderline 9-win team into a very good 11 or 12-win team. The key here is that Favre would not be asked to carry the team on his back, sort of like Elway was at the end of his career. It would be fun to watch, but it would also be a nightmare for Green Bay as it was happening, so I understand their reluctance to allow this to happen.

Here's where I think you guys are off:First, you guys aren't accounting for the learning curve. This isn't Madden Football, this is real life. If Favre had joined the team in June, then I would be close to being on the same page as you guys, but he didn't. Vikings training camp has already started. It's going to take time for Farve to learn the offense, and more importantly get chemistry with his receivers. It doesn't look like this trade is going to happen any time soon which means more lost practice time. Also there's no go-to-guy like Driver on the Vikings roster.

Second, TJax made huge strides as a starter towards the end of last season, and is reportedly looking very sharp in camp. He's worked his tail off this offseason. Btw, he was 8-4 as a starter last year. I think that's his floor for this season. He just needs to make a few plays per game and not turn the ball over and the Vikings will win ball games.

Third, Favre isn't going to put up the #'s in Minny (or GB for that matter, which TT obviously knows) that he did last year in GB. Not even close. Also, he'll turn the ball over way more than TJax by forcing things as is his modus operandi, imo. Granted, he'll also account for more td's.

With Favre, I see the Vikings being able to come back and win 1 ball game, maybe 2 at most, where if they had TJax he would not be able to get it done.

I think the Vikings are a 10-6/11-5 team with TJax. With Favre, 11-5/12-4. Therein lies the 1 game difference. I don't see the Vikings winning 13-15 games simply by adding Farve.....

I'll address your points in order:1) the timing is obviously not ideal, but I'm worried more about chemistry than learning curve given that Reid-Childress' system comes from Holmgren's, which Favre couldn't be more familiar with. Regardless, by not having to emphasize the passing game, Favre would have the luxury of being able to take his time to adjust, which he as a veteran is better equipped to do than most anyway.

2) I don't care what "strides" TJ made late last year, you can count on one hand the number of teams that would start him over the guys they have, and you'd probably have fingers left over. He's a project in every sense of the word who frankly reminds me a lot of one of Minny's backups, Gus Frerotte. Sitting for a year or two because your team picked up someone like Brett Favre to pair with its excellent running game and defense doesn't undermine his credibility or even much hurt his development.

With TJ, that team is going to win, but it will be involved in a lot of ugly, close games won by its running game and defense. Their schedule is tough, which is why I think 9-7 is about what they're going to throw up there with TJ. Favre changes all of that and makes them capable of posting 30 points.

 

[T Man]

Way to tarnish your legacy Brett... now maybe those who loved you unconditionally will actually recognize all the times you cost their team a chance in the playoffs - even if you were a key (or THE key) reason they were there.

I actually think he's defining his legacy here. You may be bitter that he won't ride off into the sunset, but I admire that each season he gives it his all to the point that each off-season he doesn't think he has anything left to give. Ok, so has he held the team hostage? Probably. Has it always been far of him to do so? Probably not, but at least it's honest. Brett just wants to play. I don't have a problem with it despite all the haters who's have you believe it is an issue.Let Brett be Brett.

He just wants to play...sure...on his own terms. If he just wanted to play...he would have no problem with a trade to the Jets or Bucs.But its not working like that right now.

He just wants to play for the Packers. Or the Vikings. I bet he'd play for the Pats if Brady got hurt.

Or some other teams that Cook was possibly trying to contact earlier this year?Like I said...he wants it his way...but its not just "he wants to play".

Have you ever bothered to put yourself in Brett's shoes? Do you want to finish your career with some crappy team, or try to force your way to a contending team that needs you, wants you, and employs former coaches and colleagues? Almost any competitive athlete would want the same things that Brett does. Maybe they wouldn't go about it the same way, but just suggesting that he's a bad person because he doesn't want to be traded to some crappy team is ridiculous.

If the situation arose on the 20th of June I would truly understand Brett's position. He wants to play and he says he wants to play for his longtime team. He is told that can't happen. 2nd choice would be to play for a contender -- especially one where he has friends, former coaches and a similar offense to the one he has run the past 16 years. I understand. But look at the response that you are replyinig to. Earlier this year Cook sent out feelers to other teams about Brett playing for them. This is before Brett told the Packers he wanted to play, and before the Packers told Brett that they had moved on.

Why at that point, before he decided to play and before the Packers told him they have moved on was Brett's agent trying to find out what teams were intested in Brett?

Well it certainly makes some sense to see what teams may be interested before making this decision to come back. If it turns out that Cook asked around way back then, and every team he asked, including the Vikings, said they weren't interested, then Favre has much less leverage. Maybe he sees that the only team to play for again is the Packers and he knows that they want to move on with Rodgers so he stays retired. I look at it as finding out what your options are, as well as finding out whether other NFL types still think you can play. At that point he knew that TT wanted to move on with Rodgers, even if that wasn't public yet. So we wanted to see if other teams agreed that he should stay retired.

So you are saying that it makes sense to see what other teams want Favre to play QB before Favre even communicates that he wants to play again to the team that has him under contract? Why would that matter if he wanted to play QB for the Packers. Just pick up the phone and tell them, no need for your agent to contact the Vikings and see if they are interested.In June Favre said he wanted to play again and play for the Packers. Why would he have his agent talk to other teams in April?? Why would he want leverage?

This only makes sense if Favre's true intention was to play, but not for the Packers. And then to wait until the right time to spring his desire on the Packers in such a way as to force his release.

Your scenario is certainly possible, but I think it's also possible that he knew that GB did not want him back and wanted to move on with Rodgers (which again, is defensible) and he had his agent see if other teams thought that same or thought he could still play. You're acting as though in April Cook was trying to work out deals with other teams. It's just more likely that he was just floating the idea of Favre playing in 2008 and if it wasn't for the Packers, would you be interested? I think that's a reasonable thing for him to do if he thought that the Packers wouldn't take him back.

But by all accounts in late March the Packers asked Brett to reconsider and in May when Brett said he might play the Packers were receptive and were even going to get on a plane to Hattiesburg to make it happen -- until Brett changed his mind. So in April, when Cook is talking to other teams, the Packers had indicated that they were willing to take Brett back. So no need to talk to other teams.So what, in April gave Brett any indication that the Packers would not take him back. It was not until after this second flip flop that they all agree the packers advised Brett that they would have to move forward.

 

[T Man]

I guess it is down to the VIkings and Lions in the NFC NOrth - at least if the Bears OC has a say about it.

Per PFT:

‘‘Not right now,’’ offensive coordinator Ron Turner said when asked if he could picture Favre as a Bear. ‘‘Not with what we have. I like our quarterbacks. That’s not to say he’s not a great player, he’s one of the greatest players of all time. I love him. I love watching him. He’s a great player. Not at this time and in this situation. We’ve got two good quarterbacks.’’

Of course Turner is only an OC and what is he supposed to say : "The QBs we have stink and we really need Brett Favre; I hope we can get him in here to save my job." So it's probably nothing.

 

[sho nuff]

I guess it is down to the VIkings and Lions in the NFC NOrth - at least if the Bears OC has a say about it. Per PFT:‘‘Not right now,’’ offensive coordinator Ron Turner said when asked if he could picture Favre as a Bear. ‘‘Not with what we have. I like our quarterbacks. That’s not to say he’s not a great player, he’s one of the greatest players of all time. I love him. I love watching him. He’s a great player. Not at this time and in this situation. We’ve got two good quarterbacks.’’Of course Turner is only an OC and what is he supposed to say : "The QBs we have stink and we really need Brett Favre; I hope we can get him in here to save my job." So it's probably nothing.

Trying to save face for the Bears...knowing Favre would say...why the hell would I go to the Bears...weak Oline, no WR talent...my best weapon would be a punt returner?

 

[malaka]

Or some other teams that Cook was possibly trying to contact earlier this year?

Like I said...he wants it his way...but its not just "he wants to play".

Have you ever bothered to put yourself in Brett's shoes? Do you want to finish your career with some crappy team, or try to force your way to a contending team that needs you, wants you, and employs former coaches and colleagues? Almost any competitive athlete would want the same things that Brett does. Maybe they wouldn't go about it the same way, but just suggesting that he's a bad person because he doesn't want to be traded to some crappy team is ridiculous.

If the situation arose on the 20th of June I would truly understand Brett's position. He wants to play and he says he wants to play for his longtime team. He is told that can't happen. 2nd choice would be to play for a contender -- especially one where he has friends, former coaches and a similar offense to the one he has run the past 16 years. I understand.

But look at the response that you are replyinig to. Earlier this year Cook sent out feelers to other teams about Brett playing for them. This is before Brett told the Packers he wanted to play, and before the Packers told Brett that they had moved on.

Why at that point, before he decided to play and before the Packers told him they have moved on was Brett's agent trying to find out what teams were intested in Brett?

Well it certainly makes some sense to see what teams may be interested before making this decision to come back. If it turns out that Cook asked around way back then, and every team he asked, including the Vikings, said they weren't interested, then Favre has much less leverage. Maybe he sees that the only team to play for again is the Packers and he knows that they want to move on with Rodgers so he stays retired.

I look at it as finding out what your options are, as well as finding out whether other NFL types still think you can play. At that point he knew that TT wanted to move on with Rodgers, even if that wasn't public yet. So we wanted to see if other teams agreed that he should stay retired.

So you are saying that it makes sense to see what other teams want Favre to play QB before Favre even communicates that he wants to play again to the team that has him under contract? Why would that matter if he wanted to play QB for the Packers. Just pick up the phone and tell them, no need for your agent to contact the Vikings and see if they are interested.

In June Favre said he wanted to play again and play for the Packers. Why would he have his agent talk to other teams in April?? Why would he want leverage?

This only makes sense if Favre's true intention was to play, but not for the Packers. And then to wait until the right time to spring his desire on the Packers in such a way as to force his release.

Your scenario is certainly possible, but I think it's also possible that he knew that GB did not want him back and wanted to move on with Rodgers (which again, is defensible) and he had his agent see if other teams thought that same or thought he could still play. You're acting as though in April Cook was trying to work out deals with other teams. It's just more likely that he was just floating the idea of Favre playing in 2008 and if it wasn't for the Packers, would you be interested? I think that's a reasonable thing for him to do if he thought that the Packers wouldn't take him back.

But by all accounts in late March the Packers asked Brett to reconsider and in May when Brett said he might play the Packers were receptive and were even going to get on a plane to Hattiesburg to make it happen -- until Brett changed his mind. So in April, when Cook is talking to other teams, the Packers had indicated that they were willing to take Brett back. So no need to talk to other teams.

So what, in April gave Brett any indication that the Packers would not take him back. It was not until after this second flip flop that they all agree the packers advised Brett that they would have to move forward.

Where is the May plane thing coming from?

My understanding is, I think it was the OL coach was visiting family near Favre, and visited Favre, he the OL coach then told McCarthy he thought Favre was having second thoughts and he should talk to Favre. McCarthy then called Favre, and supposedly told him they would welcome him back and would send down the jet to make the annoucement. Before the jet was sent down, Favre elected to stay retired. This all happen the end of March.....can't find anything about this happening again in May. Please show me a link where this happen again in May.

 

[sho nuff]

Where is the May plane thing coming from?My understanding is, I think it was the OL coach was visiting family near Favre, and visited Favre, he the OL coach then told McCarthy he thought Favre was having second thoughts and he should talk to Favre. McCarthy then called Favre, and supposedly told him they would welcome him back and would send down the jet to make the annoucement. Before the jet was sent down, Favre elected to stay retired. This all happen the end of March.....can't find anything about this happening again in May. Please show me a link where this happen again in May.

Thompson apparently went to Mississippi in May and spoke with Favre...and Favre again confirmed he was retired and not coming back.

 

[obxlegends]

Way to tarnish your legacy Brett... now maybe those who loved you unconditionally will actually recognize all the times you cost their team a chance in the playoffs - even if you were a key (or THE key) reason they were there.

I actually think he's defining his legacy here. You may be bitter that he won't ride off into the sunset, but I admire that each season he gives it his all to the point that each off-season he doesn't think he has anything left to give. Ok, so has he held the team hostage? Probably. Has it always been far of him to do so? Probably not, but at least it's honest. Brett just wants to play. I don't have a problem with it despite all the haters who's have you believe it is an issue.Let Brett be Brett.

He just wants to play...sure...on his own terms. If he just wanted to play...he would have no problem with a trade to the Jets or Bucs.But its not working like that right now.

He just wants to play for the Packers. Or the Vikings. I bet he'd play for the Pats if Brady got hurt.

Or some other teams that Cook was possibly trying to contact earlier this year?Like I said...he wants it his way...but its not just "he wants to play".

I'm sure he's not contacting AFL or CFL teams either. He obviously wants to play for a team that has a chance to win.

 

[T Man]

Where is the May plane thing coming from?My understanding is, I think it was the OL coach was visiting family near Favre, and visited Favre, he the OL coach then told McCarthy he thought Favre was having second thoughts and he should talk to Favre. McCarthy then called Favre, and supposedly told him they would welcome him back and would send down the jet to make the annoucement. Before the jet was sent down, Favre elected to stay retired. This all happen the end of March.....can't find anything about this happening again in May. Please show me a link where this happen again in May.

Thompson apparently went to Mississippi in May and spoke with Favre...and Favre again confirmed he was retired and not coming back.

Sure enough, Sho nuff is correct. Got it backwards. McCarthy was supposed to fly in, talk to Favre and announce his return the end of March to 1st of April.Thompson met personally with Favre in May in Hattiesburg and Favre did not indicate that he changed his mind. This is all part of the "Time line" that was disseminated.But somewhere in between, Bus Cook talked to other teams about Brett playing for them. Same point. At that time there was no need to even consider another team or even to consider leverage, unless you intended to manufacture a way to get out of GB.

 

[T Man]

He obviously wants to play for a team that has a chance to win.

Actually, he just wants to play for the Vikings.

If it were just about a team with a chance to win, he would talk to the Bucs. They actually made the playoffs last year. But it has been reported that Favre will not even talk to the Bucs about the possibility of playing for them.

Its all about the Vikings.

I am not a Green Bay fan, but this has to hurt.

 

[obxlegends]

Where is the May plane thing coming from?My understanding is, I think it was the OL coach was visiting family near Favre, and visited Favre, he the OL coach then told McCarthy he thought Favre was having second thoughts and he should talk to Favre. McCarthy then called Favre, and supposedly told him they would welcome him back and would send down the jet to make the annoucement. Before the jet was sent down, Favre elected to stay retired. This all happen the end of March.....can't find anything about this happening again in May. Please show me a link where this happen again in May.

Thompson apparently went to Mississippi in May and spoke with Favre...and Favre again confirmed he was retired and not coming back.

Wasn't it pretty early that Brett said he would come back if Aaron Rodgers got hurt? Wasn't that an indication that he was amiable to coming back even way back then? It pretty much tells me that Brett was forced to make a choice about his retirement when he wasn't really ready to accept the implications. From what I hear is that Bus Cook contacted several teams in April asking: "if your QB got hurt would Brett be a viable option for you?"It's probably his agent doing his due diligence. Maybe it's more. Who knows? I do know VERY early on there were signs that Brett wasn't fully committed to retirement despite what the Green Bay brass is willing to admit now.

 

[T Bell]

He obviously wants to play for a team that has a chance to win.

Actually, he just wants to play for the Vikings. If it were just about a team with a chance to win, he would talk to the Bucs. They actually made the playoffs last year. But it has been reported that Favre will not even talk to the Bucs about the possibility of playing for them.Its all about the Vikings.I am not a Green Bay fan, but this has to hurt.

I'm a fan of no team involved here, but I think the Vikings are closer to being a Super Bowl contender than the Bucs are. They're superior in both of the critical areas that are most commonly associated with good playoff teams, running game and defense. With Favre on the team, the only team that would compare in terms of talent in the NFC would be Dallas. So that part of Favre's (alleged) preference is understandable to me, though I certainly agree that the Bucs don't suck and should be playoff contenders too.

 

[malaka]

Where is the May plane thing coming from?My understanding is, I think it was the OL coach was visiting family near Favre, and visited Favre, he the OL coach then told McCarthy he thought Favre was having second thoughts and he should talk to Favre. McCarthy then called Favre, and supposedly told him they would welcome him back and would send down the jet to make the annoucement. Before the jet was sent down, Favre elected to stay retired. This all happen the end of March.....can't find anything about this happening again in May. Please show me a link where this happen again in May.

Thompson apparently went to Mississippi in May and spoke with Favre...and Favre again confirmed he was retired and not coming back.

If that is the May trip I remeber reading about, TT visited Favre because he was down south. There was no mention that the trip was to verify Favre was staying retired. I believe even TT said during the visit there was talk about Favre changing his mind and TT blew it off as talk of any retired player having doubts.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

But by all accounts in late March the Packers asked Brett to reconsider and in May when Brett said he might play the Packers were receptive and were even going to get on a plane to Hattiesburg to make it happen -- until Brett changed his mind. So in April, when Cook is talking to other teams, the Packers had indicated that they were willing to take Brett back. So no need to talk to other teams.

So what, in April gave Brett any indication that the Packers would not take him back. It was not until after this second flip flop that they all agree the packers advised Brett that they would have to move forward.

Well I think many people, including maybe you, have stated that Favre and Thompson have not gotten along going back a couple of seasons. So maybe he thought it was possible that things would break down and he would have to find another team. Again, Cook is covering all the bases here, which I see as smart. You see it as sneaky.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Where is the May plane thing coming from?

My understanding is, I think it was the OL coach was visiting family near Favre, and visited Favre, he the OL coach then told McCarthy he thought Favre was having second thoughts and he should talk to Favre. McCarthy then called Favre, and supposedly told him they would welcome him back and would send down the jet to make the annoucement. Before the jet was sent down, Favre elected to stay retired. This all happen the end of March.....can't find anything about this happening again in May. Please show me a link where this happen again in May.

Thompson apparently went to Mississippi in May and spoke with Favre...and Favre again confirmed he was retired and not coming back.

Wasn't it pretty early that Brett said he would come back if Aaron Rodgers got hurt? Wasn't that an indication that he was amiable to coming back even way back then? It pretty much tells me that Brett was forced to make a choice about his retirement when he wasn't really ready to accept the implications. From what I hear is that Bus Cook contacted several teams in April asking: "if your QB got hurt would Brett be a viable option for you?"

It's probably his agent doing his due diligence. Maybe it's more. Who knows? I do know VERY early on there were signs that Brett wasn't fully committed to retirement despite what the Green Bay brass is willing to admit now.

That's exactly what I'm saying to T Man. It's a way to gauge interest just in case.

 

[sho nuff]

Where is the May plane thing coming from?My understanding is, I think it was the OL coach was visiting family near Favre, and visited Favre, he the OL coach then told McCarthy he thought Favre was having second thoughts and he should talk to Favre. McCarthy then called Favre, and supposedly told him they would welcome him back and would send down the jet to make the annoucement. Before the jet was sent down, Favre elected to stay retired. This all happen the end of March.....can't find anything about this happening again in May. Please show me a link where this happen again in May.

Thompson apparently went to Mississippi in May and spoke with Favre...and Favre again confirmed he was retired and not coming back.

If that is the May trip I remeber reading about, TT visited Favre because he was down south. There was no mention that the trip was to verify Favre was staying retired. I believe even TT said during the visit there was talk about Favre changing his mind and TT blew it off as talk of any retired player having doubts.

Not sure where you read that about TT blowing him off. Every report of that meeting i heard had Favre confirming he was staying retired.

 

[sho nuff]

Where is the May plane thing coming from?

My understanding is, I think it was the OL coach was visiting family near Favre, and visited Favre, he the OL coach then told McCarthy he thought Favre was having second thoughts and he should talk to Favre. McCarthy then called Favre, and supposedly told him they would welcome him back and would send down the jet to make the annoucement. Before the jet was sent down, Favre elected to stay retired. This all happen the end of March.....can't find anything about this happening again in May. Please show me a link where this happen again in May.

Thompson apparently went to Mississippi in May and spoke with Favre...and Favre again confirmed he was retired and not coming back.

Wasn't it pretty early that Brett said he would come back if Aaron Rodgers got hurt? Wasn't that an indication that he was amiable to coming back even way back then? It pretty much tells me that Brett was forced to make a choice about his retirement when he wasn't really ready to accept the implications. From what I hear is that Bus Cook contacted several teams in April asking: "if your QB got hurt would Brett be a viable option for you?"

It's probably his agent doing his due diligence. Maybe it's more. Who knows? I do know VERY early on there were signs that Brett wasn't fully committed to retirement despite what the Green Bay brass is willing to admit now.

That's exactly what I'm saying to T Man. It's a way to gauge interest just in case.

and any team that talked to him about it is probably guilty of tampering as they did not have permission to talk to Favre about any such thing.

 

[Kleck]

Jets' trade talks for Favre heat up

Jets' trade talks for Favre heat up

By Pete Dougherty and Tom Pelissero • pdougher@greenbaypressgazette.com, tpelisse@greenbaypressgazette.com • July 31, 2008

The New York Jets are in serious talks with the Green Bay Packers and Brett Favre’s agent about acquiring the legendary quarterback, a source said today.

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The Jets and Tampa Bay Buccaneers are the only teams that have permission to speak with Favre about a potential trade for now. Favre's agent, Bus Cook, has been in talks with the Jets, who have shown a growing interest, but Cook has not been working closely with the Buccaneers, according to two sources.

Favre would have to sign off on any trade before a new team would be willing to give up compensation for him, because if he refuses to report to the new team’s camp, the trade would be voided. The extent of Cook’s talks with the Jets means Favre at least is considering playing for them.

Ted Thompson, the Packers’ general manager, has been asking for a draft pick that could escalate to a better pick based on Favre’s and the new team’s performance. Thompson and the Packers have stated repeatedly they plan to move forward with Aaron Rodgers, the former first-round pick and Favre’s backup the past three years, as their starting quarterback.

Favre could force the Packers’ hand by showing up to training camp, and earlier today, he was scheduled to take a private plane to Green Bay. However, that flight was delayed multiple times and then apparently cancelled.

For a third straight day, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell declined to act on Favre’s request for reinstatement from the reserve/retired list to give the Packers time to resolve the situation. That Goodell has waited this long indicates progress is being made toward a resolution.

"The Packers and Brett Favre are continuing their discussions,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said in an e-mail to the Press-Gazette today. “The commissioner preferred to let those discussions continue rather than act on the reinstatement petition today.”

Tampa Bay’s need at quarterback might have increased Thursday, after veteran Jeff Garcia was carted off the practice field with what the team called a calf strain.

As it stands, though, the Jets have the more tenuous quarterback situation. New York was 4-12 last season, but in 2006, coach Eric Mangini’s first season, the Jets went 10-6 and earned a wild-card berth in the AFC playoffs. Chad Pennington and Kellen Clemens are competing for the starting job; Pennington never has been the same since suffering a shoulder injury in 2004, and Clemens was ineffective in 10 games (eight starts) last year, throwing 10 interceptions and only five touchdown passes.

Mark Murphy, the Packers’ president and chief executive officer, on Wednesday had a daylong meeting with Favre and Cook in Cook’s Mississippi law office and offered Favre as much as $20 million over 10 years if he stays retired. Favre and Cook have said for nearly a month that Favre wants to be released, a request Thompson has denied.

The Packers, who did not practice today, return to the practice field for the first of two sessions Friday at 8:45 a.m. Favre will not be there.

 

[sho nuff]

Some people only wants to see Favre in the worst possible scenarios, Miami, Atlanta, retired, rotting on the bench, because their worst fear is Favre doing in 1 season with Minnesota what he accomplished in his whole career with Green Bay.

More nonsense.I have not said I want him on some crappy team. Can you spin and misrepresent things any more than you already do...just to keep arguing?Its worse than arguing with my 3 year old. He is at least a bit more logical.What he accomplished in his whole career?So in one year he will win 3 MVPs, set passing records, go to 2 Super Bowls and win one of them? Or is the one super bowl win the only thing he accomplished in his career?Its not a fear of him going to Minny...its being a Packer fan and realizing I don't want to give them their best chance at the Super Bowl.

You have said multiple times that you'd want to see him in Miami, Atlanta, most often on the bench or re-retired. The one Superbowl win is all HE is concerned with, and it would be all I'd be concerned with, either if I was in your shoes or simply as a Vikings fan.

Multiple times huh?Care to post one single time I just said Id like to see him in Miami or Atlanta...most often on the bench or re-retired?Im betting you cannot find it....actually, I am betting you might throw a small effort if any at all...then find some quote that says nothing like you are claiming...and then try and claim you just "owned" me. That would be par for the course for you.

Your silence is deafening.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Some people only wants to see Favre in the worst possible scenarios, Miami, Atlanta, retired, rotting on the bench, because their worst fear is Favre doing in 1 season with Minnesota what he accomplished in his whole career with Green Bay.

More nonsense.I have not said I want him on some crappy team. Can you spin and misrepresent things any more than you already do...just to keep arguing?Its worse than arguing with my 3 year old. He is at least a bit more logical.What he accomplished in his whole career?So in one year he will win 3 MVPs, set passing records, go to 2 Super Bowls and win one of them? Or is the one super bowl win the only thing he accomplished in his career?Its not a fear of him going to Minny...its being a Packer fan and realizing I don't want to give them their best chance at the Super Bowl.

You have said multiple times that you'd want to see him in Miami, Atlanta, most often on the bench or re-retired. The one Superbowl win is all HE is concerned with, and it would be all I'd be concerned with, either if I was in your shoes or simply as a Vikings fan.

Multiple times huh?Care to post one single time I just said Id like to see him in Miami or Atlanta...most often on the bench or re-retired?Im betting you cannot find it....actually, I am betting you might throw a small effort if any at all...then find some quote that says nothing like you are claiming...and then try and claim you just "owned" me. That would be par for the course for you.

Your silence is deafening.

I am still waiting on the Berrian thing, then you get your turn. I've already got your quotes queued up and ready to post, but there's no cutsies.

 

[sho nuff]

Some people only wants to see Favre in the worst possible scenarios, Miami, Atlanta, retired, rotting on the bench, because their worst fear is Favre doing in 1 season with Minnesota what he accomplished in his whole career with Green Bay.

More nonsense.I have not said I want him on some crappy team. Can you spin and misrepresent things any more than you already do...just to keep arguing?Its worse than arguing with my 3 year old. He is at least a bit more logical.What he accomplished in his whole career?So in one year he will win 3 MVPs, set passing records, go to 2 Super Bowls and win one of them? Or is the one super bowl win the only thing he accomplished in his career?Its not a fear of him going to Minny...its being a Packer fan and realizing I don't want to give them their best chance at the Super Bowl.

You have said multiple times that you'd want to see him in Miami, Atlanta, most often on the bench or re-retired. The one Superbowl win is all HE is concerned with, and it would be all I'd be concerned with, either if I was in your shoes or simply as a Vikings fan.

Multiple times huh?Care to post one single time I just said Id like to see him in Miami or Atlanta...most often on the bench or re-retired?Im betting you cannot find it....actually, I am betting you might throw a small effort if any at all...then find some quote that says nothing like you are claiming...and then try and claim you just "owned" me. That would be par for the course for you.

Your silence is deafening.

I am still waiting on the Berrian thing, then you get your turn. I've already got your quotes queued up and ready to post, but there's no cutsies.

Nice try.I have already explained the Berrian thing to you.Apparently you disagree with my explanation...fine.But no need to lie about having quotes that don't exist.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Some people only wants to see Favre in the worst possible scenarios, Miami, Atlanta, retired, rotting on the bench, because their worst fear is Favre doing in 1 season with Minnesota what he accomplished in his whole career with Green Bay.

More nonsense.I have not said I want him on some crappy team. Can you spin and misrepresent things any more than you already do...just to keep arguing?Its worse than arguing with my 3 year old. He is at least a bit more logical.What he accomplished in his whole career?So in one year he will win 3 MVPs, set passing records, go to 2 Super Bowls and win one of them? Or is the one super bowl win the only thing he accomplished in his career?Its not a fear of him going to Minny...its being a Packer fan and realizing I don't want to give them their best chance at the Super Bowl.

You have said multiple times that you'd want to see him in Miami, Atlanta, most often on the bench or re-retired. The one Superbowl win is all HE is concerned with, and it would be all I'd be concerned with, either if I was in your shoes or simply as a Vikings fan.

Multiple times huh?Care to post one single time I just said Id like to see him in Miami or Atlanta...most often on the bench or re-retired?Im betting you cannot find it....actually, I am betting you might throw a small effort if any at all...then find some quote that says nothing like you are claiming...and then try and claim you just "owned" me. That would be par for the course for you.

Your silence is deafening.

I am still waiting on the Berrian thing, then you get your turn. I've already got your quotes queued up and ready to post, but there's no cutsies.

Nice try.I have already explained the Berrian thing to you.Apparently you disagree with my explanation...fine.But no need to lie about having quotes that don't exist.

They started in the beginning of July and they've been running all month, man. You haven't explained anything about Berrian other than "everybody else says it". You want facts, gimme some. 'Til then, I'll play it your way, and I still stand by that you've wanted Favre set aside, the same as the Packers have since this whole thing started, and even before with the denial of Favre's media related actions to seeking a job outside of Green Bay.

 

[sho nuff]

They started in the beginning of July and they've been running all month, man. You haven't explained anything about Berrian other than "everybody else says it". You want facts, gimme some. 'Til then, I'll play it your way, and I still stand by that you've wanted Favre set aside, the same as the Packers have since this whole thing started, and even before with the denial of Favre's media related actions to seeking a job outside of Green Bay.

Ive explained that I don't have the stats as it is next to impossible to find historical stats on dropped passes.Stats Inc only shows those who had more than 6 by their count last season.I have told you that I did not just make that up about him.Keep claiming you have quotes...right now you are just being a child yet again...just like with the whole "rumor" thing.Ive answered the Berrian thing...just admit you don't have the quotes.You can stand by what you want to say about me.You probably have the quote from the first day when I talked about it...but nothing about what I said I would actually have done (which I repeated again today I believe)...that involved sitting down with Favre to get a commitment, sitting down with core players of the team, sitting down with Rodgers...and working out a way for him to come in.You are predictable...I know exactly the spun crap you will post. Its too funny.Just admit you have nothing about me in regards to Atlanta or Miami. Thats all it will take.

 

[ScottyFargo]

They started in the beginning of July and they've been running all month, man. You haven't explained anything about Berrian other than "everybody else says it". You want facts, gimme some. 'Til then, I'll play it your way, and I still stand by that you've wanted Favre set aside, the same as the Packers have since this whole thing started, and even before with the denial of Favre's media related actions to seeking a job outside of Green Bay.

Ive explained that I don't have the stats as it is next to impossible to find historical stats on dropped passes.Stats Inc only shows those who had more than 6 by their count last season.

I have told you that I did not just make that up about him.

Keep claiming you have quotes...right now you are just being a child yet again...just like with the whole "rumor" thing.

Ive answered the Berrian thing...just admit you don't have the quotes.

You can stand by what you want to say about me.

You probably have the quote from the first day when I talked about it...but nothing about what I said I would actually have done (which I repeated again today I believe)...that involved sitting down with Favre to get a commitment, sitting down with core players of the team, sitting down with Rodgers...and working out a way for him to come in.

You are predictable...I know exactly the spun crap you will post. Its too funny.

Just admit you have nothing about me in regards to Atlanta or Miami. Thats all it will take.

No, but I am going to take this opportunity to announce a press conference in one of the otherFavre threads, where there will be a scoop that you won't want to miss.

 

[sho nuff]

They started in the beginning of July and they've been running all month, man. You haven't explained anything about Berrian other than "everybody else says it". You want facts, gimme some. 'Til then, I'll play it your way, and I still stand by that you've wanted Favre set aside, the same as the Packers have since this whole thing started, and even before with the denial of Favre's media related actions to seeking a job outside of Green Bay.

Ive explained that I don't have the stats as it is next to impossible to find historical stats on dropped passes.Stats Inc only shows those who had more than 6 by their count last season.

I have told you that I did not just make that up about him.

Keep claiming you have quotes...right now you are just being a child yet again...just like with the whole "rumor" thing.

Ive answered the Berrian thing...just admit you don't have the quotes.

You can stand by what you want to say about me.

You probably have the quote from the first day when I talked about it...but nothing about what I said I would actually have done (which I repeated again today I believe)...that involved sitting down with Favre to get a commitment, sitting down with core players of the team, sitting down with Rodgers...and working out a way for him to come in.

You are predictable...I know exactly the spun crap you will post. Its too funny.

Just admit you have nothing about me in regards to Atlanta or Miami. Thats all it will take.

No, but I am going to take this opportunity to announce a press conference in one of the otherFavre threads, where there will be a scoop that you won't want to miss.

Exactly...you have nothing but just won't admit it and would rather just play these little childish games.Such a sad waste of space.

 

[Hov34]

They started in the beginning of July and they've been running all month, man. You haven't explained anything about Berrian other than "everybody else says it". You want facts, gimme some. 'Til then, I'll play it your way, and I still stand by that you've wanted Favre set aside, the same as the Packers have since this whole thing started, and even before with the denial of Favre's media related actions to seeking a job outside of Green Bay.

Ive explained that I don't have the stats as it is next to impossible to find historical stats on dropped passes.Stats Inc only shows those who had more than 6 by their count last season.

I have told you that I did not just make that up about him.

Keep claiming you have quotes...right now you are just being a child yet again...just like with the whole "rumor" thing.

Ive answered the Berrian thing...just admit you don't have the quotes.

You can stand by what you want to say about me.

You probably have the quote from the first day when I talked about it...but nothing about what I said I would actually have done (which I repeated again today I believe)...that involved sitting down with Favre to get a commitment, sitting down with core players of the team, sitting down with Rodgers...and working out a way for him to come in.

You are predictable...I know exactly the spun crap you will post. Its too funny.

Just admit you have nothing about me in regards to Atlanta or Miami. Thats all it will take.

No, but I am going to take this opportunity to announce a press conference in one of the otherFavre threads, where there will be a scoop that you won't want to miss.

Exactly...you have nothing but just won't admit it and would rather just play these little childish games.Such a sad waste of space.

Would you two shut up. seriously.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

They started in the beginning of July and they've been running all month, man. You haven't explained anything about Berrian other than "everybody else says it". You want facts, gimme some. 'Til then, I'll play it your way, and I still stand by that you've wanted Favre set aside, the same as the Packers have since this whole thing started, and even before with the denial of Favre's media related actions to seeking a job outside of Green Bay.

Ive explained that I don't have the stats as it is next to impossible to find historical stats on dropped passes.Stats Inc only shows those who had more than 6 by their count last season.

I have told you that I did not just make that up about him.

Keep claiming you have quotes...right now you are just being a child yet again...just like with the whole "rumor" thing.

Ive answered the Berrian thing...just admit you don't have the quotes.

You can stand by what you want to say about me.

You probably have the quote from the first day when I talked about it...but nothing about what I said I would actually have done (which I repeated again today I believe)...that involved sitting down with Favre to get a commitment, sitting down with core players of the team, sitting down with Rodgers...and working out a way for him to come in.

You are predictable...I know exactly the spun crap you will post. Its too funny.

Just admit you have nothing about me in regards to Atlanta or Miami. Thats all it will take.

No, but I am going to take this opportunity to announce a press conference in one of the otherFavre threads, where there will be a scoop that you won't want to miss.

Exactly...you have nothing but just won't admit it and would rather just play these little childish games.Such a sad waste of space.

Would you two shut up. seriously.

I'd put this along side Tatum's "Few Good Men" post as posts of the year!!

 

[Bizkiteer]

Just in...Packers offered Ryan Grant and Brett Favre for Adrian Peterson. Supposedly the offer was posed and the other owner...errr....Vikings haven't rejected or countered. Packers have supposedly revoked the offer, but then re-sent the offer to make sure it said they got an email sent to them.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

I guess it is down to the VIkings and Lions in the NFC NOrth - at least if the Bears OC has a say about it. Per PFT:‘‘Not right now,’’ offensive coordinator Ron Turner said when asked if he could picture Favre as a Bear. ‘‘Not with what we have. I like our quarterbacks. That’s not to say he’s not a great player, he’s one of the greatest players of all time. I love him. I love watching him. He’s a great player. Not at this time and in this situation. We’ve got two good quarterbacks.’’Of course Turner is only an OC and what is he supposed to say : "The QBs we have stink and we really need Brett Favre; I hope we can get him in here to save my job." So it's probably nothing.

Trying to save face for the Bears...knowing Favre would say...why the hell would I go to the Bears...weak Oline, no WR talent...my best weapon would be a punt returner?

I like how you keep making this argument about the team that swept yours last year, and has beaten them 5 out of 6 times in the past 3 years. With the only win by your team coming in a final regular season game where they were already locked in for Home Field throughout the playoffs. What does that say about your team?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Where is the May plane thing coming from?

My understanding is, I think it was the OL coach was visiting family near Favre, and visited Favre, he the OL coach then told McCarthy he thought Favre was having second thoughts and he should talk to Favre. McCarthy then called Favre, and supposedly told him they would welcome him back and would send down the jet to make the annoucement. Before the jet was sent down, Favre elected to stay retired. This all happen the end of March.....can't find anything about this happening again in May. Please show me a link where this happen again in May.

Thompson apparently went to Mississippi in May and spoke with Favre...and Favre again confirmed he was retired and not coming back.

Wasn't it pretty early that Brett said he would come back if Aaron Rodgers got hurt? Wasn't that an indication that he was amiable to coming back even way back then? It pretty much tells me that Brett was forced to make a choice about his retirement when he wasn't really ready to accept the implications. From what I hear is that Bus Cook contacted several teams in April asking: "if your QB got hurt would Brett be a viable option for you?"

It's probably his agent doing his due diligence. Maybe it's more. Who knows? I do know VERY early on there were signs that Brett wasn't fully committed to retirement despite what the Green Bay brass is willing to admit now.

That's exactly what I'm saying to T Man. It's a way to gauge interest just in case.

and any team that talked to him about it is probably guilty of tampering as they did not have permission to talk to Favre about any such thing.

Maybe you should get on your BatPhone to Commissioner Goddell and report the violations.

 

[sho nuff]

I guess it is down to the VIkings and Lions in the NFC NOrth - at least if the Bears OC has a say about it. Per PFT:‘‘Not right now,’’ offensive coordinator Ron Turner said when asked if he could picture Favre as a Bear. ‘‘Not with what we have. I like our quarterbacks. That’s not to say he’s not a great player, he’s one of the greatest players of all time. I love him. I love watching him. He’s a great player. Not at this time and in this situation. We’ve got two good quarterbacks.’’Of course Turner is only an OC and what is he supposed to say : "The QBs we have stink and we really need Brett Favre; I hope we can get him in here to save my job." So it's probably nothing.

Trying to save face for the Bears...knowing Favre would say...why the hell would I go to the Bears...weak Oline, no WR talent...my best weapon would be a punt returner?

I like how you keep making this argument about the team that swept yours last year, and has beaten them 5 out of 6 times in the past 3 years. With the only win by your team coming in a final regular season game where they were already locked in for Home Field throughout the playoffs. What does that say about your team?

Yes...they have the Packers number...great...did not keep them from finishing below the Lions last year.2 years ago, they remained healthy and had a running game. Since then they have gotten rid of their best RB, the other one flaked out, the line continues to get old, hurt, and didn't someone leave or retire?Can you say that my criticism of their team is wrong?Is the Oline strong?Do they have a solid running game?Do they have great talent at WR?It says my team has not played well against the Bears...and that 2 of the wins you are counting came in the worst year by the Packers in quite some time.

 

[NoCheese]

Wow.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=778748

 

[Flash]

Wow.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=778748

I don't get it, they would rather trade him to a NFC North Division team, than have him back for 1-2 more years.I just don't get it.