Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Ground rule double.
No, it's not. If it goes over the fence on a bounce it is a rule book double. The only guy that I ever heard call it correctly was a former Pirates announcer (maybe Lanny Fratere?).
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No, it's not. If it goes over the fence on a bounce it is a rule book double. The only guy that I ever heard call it correctly was a former Pirates announcer (maybe Lanny Fratere?).
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Tom Servo said:
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Would be interesting to see the stats on this. My guess is that it is a ball or strike as often that particular pitcher throws a ball or strike, regardless of the situation.Not my theory. But some people believe it.
Usually right after a 4 pitch walk the pitcher serves up a dinner ball on the first pitch. :completelyunsubstantiatedbyanyfacts:
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
Team with the better record?
Alternating years?
Play on a neutral field?
Flip a coin?
Previous year's winner's league gets it?
Can think of a bunch of stupid ideas that are better than all star game
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I'm not sure what makes any of these inherently better or would result in the team that "deserves" it more getting HFA. I suppose better record works, especially now that there are more interleague games.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Good one. When do we get the designated runner and the designated fielder? I shouldn't have to see Matt Holliday botch another fly ball to left when there's a superior fielder sitting on the bench. Or watch Big Papi run. For any reason. Ever.
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the moops
Footballguy
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Would like a rule in the All-Star game where you can come back into the game after being taken out. Something like you can renter the game after three innings sitting out. That way the studs start. Then bring in all the scrubs to get their appearance then by the end of the game you can get your best team on the field.
The game caters to the players instead of the fans. M. Harvey will go one-inning to make sure some scrub middle-reliever gets his moment in the sun. Terrible marketing.
The game caters to the players instead of the fans. M. Harvey will go one-inning to make sure some scrub middle-reliever gets his moment in the sun. Terrible marketing.
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Wrigley
Footballguy
sporthenry
Footballguy
Yes, the scrubs. Especially when half the scrubs are probably having better years than the studs. Using WAR, Posey is having a better year than Molina. Goldschmidt is having a better year than Votto. Scutaro/Carpenter are both having better years than Philips. Segura is having a better year than Tulo. Gomez and McCutchen were better than Gonzalez. And both of them and Brown were better than Harper/Beltran.
Granted Tulo/Harper missed some time with injuries. The AL was done better but the starters usually play more to begin with giving them more influence on the game and besides that, it just skirts the real issue which is why in the hell does the game mean anything.
collective
Footballguy
Treynwreck3
Footballguy
General lack of situational hitting. Not just at the major league level, but all levels.
Too many runners stranded on base. How many times do you see a runner on second with no outs get stranded there? No excuse. Too many players try to drive the ball out of the park when their focus should be advancing the runner.
Tony LaRussa.
Dropped third strike rule.
Righty/lefty pitching changes.
Umpires trying to be a part of the game instead of officiating it.
Astros in the AL West. Boy did they get screwed.
Too many runners stranded on base. How many times do you see a runner on second with no outs get stranded there? No excuse. Too many players try to drive the ball out of the park when their focus should be advancing the runner.
Tony LaRussa.
Dropped third strike rule.
Righty/lefty pitching changes.
Umpires trying to be a part of the game instead of officiating it.
Astros in the AL West. Boy did they get screwed.
Yeah I'm the first one to voice frustration that many of the superstars have already hit the showers by the 5th inning. Maybe we get can't Jeff Conine in as an injury replacement and he can play crunch time. Maybe Russel Martin too. Nothing to see here.sporthenry said:Daywalker said:
Yes, the scrubs. Especially when half the scrubs are probably having better years than the studs. Using WAR, Posey is having a better year than Molina. Goldschmidt is having a better year than Votto. Scutaro/Carpenter are both having better years than Philips. Segura is having a better year than Tulo. Gomez and McCutchen were better than Gonzalez. And both of them and Brown were better than Harper/Beltran.
Granted Tulo/Harper missed some time with injuries. The AL was done better but the starters usually play more to begin with giving them more influence on the game and besides that, it just skirts the real issue which is why in the hell does the game mean anything.
Nothing I proposed would keep someone like Posey or Goldy from finishing the game. Leave it to the manager to go with his best nine for the last few innings.
As is the biggest worry manager has is making sure someone like S. Delebar gets into the game as opposed to giving the fans a great game. Reason we had a freaking tie game years back.
We can have it both ways. We have a DH for god's sake. Not that radical to let players re-enter the game for the later innings. Would add a lot of drama.
sporthenry
Footballguy
And Delabar will probably go in for a hitter or two. He has a 1.71 ERA. I'd be interested to see the splits between relievers/starters in the ASG b/c in recent years, it certainly seems that relievers blow them out of the water.Yeah I'm the first one to voice frustration that many of the superstars have already hit the showers by the 5th inning. Maybe we get can't Jeff Conine in as an injury replacement and he can play crunch time. Maybe Russel Martin too. Nothing to see here.sporthenry said:Daywalker said:
Yes, the scrubs. Especially when half the scrubs are probably having better years than the studs. Using WAR, Posey is having a better year than Molina. Goldschmidt is having a better year than Votto. Scutaro/Carpenter are both having better years than Philips. Segura is having a better year than Tulo. Gomez and McCutchen were better than Gonzalez. And both of them and Brown were better than Harper/Beltran.
Granted Tulo/Harper missed some time with injuries. The AL was done better but the starters usually play more to begin with giving them more influence on the game and besides that, it just skirts the real issue which is why in the hell does the game mean anything.
Nothing I proposed would keep someone like Posey or Goldy from finishing the game. Leave it to the manager to go with his best nine for the last few innings.
As is the biggest worry manager has is making sure someone like S. Delebar gets into the game as opposed to giving the fans a great game. Reason we had a freaking tie game years back.
We can have it both ways. We have a DH for god's sake. Not that radical to let players re-enter the game for the later innings. Would add a lot of drama.
And so what, you want Harvey to go 6+? So one team has to sacrifice a starter for the game?
And you are right, nothing you proposed keeps Posey from staying in. You just called him a scrub. And again, the starters will more than likely get more PT than the regular guys. They usually get at least 2 and sometimes 3 ABs while the bench guys will get 1 maybe 2.
So beyond the fact that the replacements on the bench are still very capable and guys like Delabar will come in and add value to the game, who are you to say what the fans want? So you think fans want to see their guy voted into the ASG and not even play?
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DropKick
Footballguy
Team with the better record? Some merit, but there are differences between leagues
Alternating years? Why Settle for randomness?
Play on a neutral field? Like they care about the game in Topeka...
Flip a coin? Let's take randomness to another level
Previous year's winner's league gets it? Even Less relevant than the ASG. What is this the "America's Cup"?
At least many of the players in the ASG still have play-off aspirations.
DropKick
Footballguy
Good one. I never understood the logic or the origin of the dropped 3rd strike.
"Hey Abner, I have an idea. Let's let the batter run to first if the catcher drops the last strike"... "I don't know Mary, grab me a beer and I'll have to think about that one..."
sporthenry
Footballguy
So b/c of some differences in the league, the team with 100 wins doesn't get anything over the team with 90? Wouldn't these differences also exist in the NL/AL themselves? So why should the Rangers have home field over the Red Sox when there are differences in the division and the Red Sox played a harder schedule?
But yeah, Pat Corbin and Jose Bautista should determine home field.
DropKick
Footballguy
And if the records are 98-64 vs 98-64 or even 98-63? They don't HAVE to play a full schedule. Can you say which team is better? I see games change on the slightest of whims (balls and strikes?)
And games aren't decided exclusively by single players. Don't a large percentage of players and coaches in that game still have a legitimate shot at the post-season?
sporthenry
Footballguy
Yep, use SOS.
And sure the games aren't decided exclusively by single players but having a shot at the postseason is meaningless. At most, it affects 2-3 guys on a roster, so how is it fair? That is right, its not fair.
DropKick
Footballguy
SOS is meaningless. The quality of teams varies greatly throughout a major league season. Injuries, teams throwing in the towel once they're out of contention, etc. We need to implement some BCS computer logic into MLB. You put a lot of thought into that...
Ultimately, it will affect a couple guys but - right now - it could potentially impact most of the team. What is unfair about that? That's right, nothing.
sporthenry
Footballguy
Wait, so you think 1 game, where pitchers come in and pitch 1 inning and hitters get 1-2 AB's is more fair/less arbitrary than SOS in the case of a tie.
Or they could just use the current tie breaking procedures. But I guess those are silly too. Maybe they should use the celebrity softball game to decide homefield if the Cards/Braves finish with the same record.
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DropKick
Footballguy
Maybe you missed the part about the entire game being played by representatives from each league.
Wait, so you think 1 game, where pitchers come in and pitch 1 inning and hitters get 1-2 AB's is more fair/less arbitrary than SOS in the case of a tie.
Or they could just use the current tie breaking procedures. But I guess those are silly too. Maybe they should use the celebrity softball game to decide homefield if the Cards/Braves finish with the same record.
Tie breaking is based on some level of common schedules. Great in a division. OK in a league; Less so between leagues.
But hey - if it makes you feel better about yourself - propose some other extreme and irrelevant metric - like ball girl chest size - to determine the site of the game.
