Future of QB in the NFL (1 Viewer)

[twistd]

After watching Kapernick this season, coupled with the success of RG3 and Newton, is this where the NFL QB is going for the future? The NFL has always had running QBs, Randall Cunningham, and more recently Michael Vick and Tebow. And I know when Vick came in to the league there was a lot of talk that he would change the QB position forever. At the time there was no one else like Vick in the league, and neither Vick nor Cunningham were particularly good passers. Tebow is an awful passer. In addition, running QBs always had the fragile label hung on them, with good reason. The common wisdom seemed to be that you couldn't win a Championship with a running QB because he could never stay healthy. Now we have a new breed of running QB. First of all, there are quite a few in the league all at once. That has never happened before. Not to mention, these guys can really throw the ball. RG3, Kapernick, and Newton are all accurate passers, and they are all young so they will probably improve with experience. And although Luck or Wilson probably aren't quite in the same category as the first three as far as running goes, they are mobile too. Is this the direction the NFL is going as far as QB goes?I believe that much of the running success has been due to the read option offense these teams have been running. Just like the wildcat, D coordinators will figure it out and discover it's weaknesses. But the running threat these types of QBs present cannot be underestimated. This adds a dimension to the offense that a pocket passer just doesn't have. But, unlike a one dimensional player like Tebow, these guys are really good passers. These players can stay in the pocket and beat you.I would like to hear what other people think. Is this crop of running, mobile QBs, just a matter of chance? Is it just a coincidence that all these players happen to have entered the league all at once? Or are college programs developing these types of QBs? Is this what teams will be looking for in the future?

 

[Chazzhawk]

More mobile yes, but not like Kaep, and RG3. We have yet to see quarterbacks at that size hold and run that type of offense hold up to the punishment. Cam is a freak and I think he holds up because he isn't 205 lbs he is 240+, there isn't a lot of 240+ lb quarterbacks that are 6'5 and can run and throw like that. I think you will see more guys like Rodgers and Wilson, mobile enough.

 

[Slapdash]

I think so. Watching college football, it seems like running QBs have become the norm. I agree with the comments though that the future is mor elike Wilson than RG3.

 

[qimqam]

Until we see one of these run first QBs win something and stay healthy...The Manning's, Brady, Brees, Rogers & Big Ben type players are the future of QB.Ryan and Luck seem to fit this mold.RGIII would be a better QB if he ran a lot less, obviously because the injuries but also because he is as good a passer as he is a runner. Until he changes (hopefully it's not too late) he will just be another talented injury prone player.Russel Wilson is exciting and some big play ability but watching him closely over the past 2 weeks he just can not find open receivers Maybe it's his height maybe it's something else but he has all kinds of time and in the replays you can see open receivers that he is just not seeing.Cam Newton is just a clown ... can't pass and devalues all of the his other offensive weapons (D'will and Stewart)

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Cam Newton can't pass? Jesus. There comes a time when you just have to ignore a guys personality when he gets on the field and attempt to watch him play with no bias. Cam has the potential to be a great passer. That's what makes him so scary, in combination with his size and running ability. He's inconsistent right now, but he's got a hell of an arm.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Until we see one of these run first QBs win something and stay healthy...

The Manning's, Brady, Brees, Rogers & Big Ben type players are the future of QB.

Ryan and Luck seem to fit this mold.

RGIII would be a better QB if he ran a lot less, obviously because the injuries but also because he is as good a passer as he is a runner. Until he changes (hopefully it's not too late) he will just be another talented injury prone player.

Russel Wilson is exciting and some big play ability but watching him closely over the past 2 weeks he just can not find open receivers

Maybe it's his height maybe it's something else but he has all kinds of time and in the replays you can see open receivers that he is just not seeing.

Cam Newton is just a clown ... can't pass and devalues all of the his other offensive weapons (D'will and Stewart)

Leading your team to the playoffs means you've won more than 20 other teams have, so considering 3 teams in the playoffs have QBs who run, they are winning. And RG3, Kaepernick, Cam Newton, and Russell Wilson all rank in the top 5 in the league in passing yards per attempt, so any notion that any of those guys aren't able to be successful passers is erroneous, because they already are.

 

[EBF]

I think it's mainly a numbers game. It's rare to find someone who can pass the ball effectively at the NFL level. And only a fraction of those guys will also have special running ability. But with the country's population constantly expanding, you're going to see a higher and higher number of freaks.Of course, the flipside is that defenders are constantly getting bigger and faster too.

 

[solorca]

Cam Newton is just a clown ... can't pass and devalues all of the his other offensive weapons (D'will and Stewart)

Hey, here's a guy that hasn't watched Cam Newton play and is talking out of his ###.

 

[Raider Nation]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

 

[packseasontix]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

How many games has Kaep played at this point? You can't say he is going to hold up for the next 10-15 years after a half season starting. Also I think you see running QBs run wild for the first year or two and then get slowed down when defenses have an offseason or two to prepare.Kaep also beat the Packers who I have said over and over get burned by running QBs in general usually. Vick was one of the first QBs to beat them in the Playoffs in Green Bay.In the end what would you rather have?QB A - Throws for 4500-5000 yards, 30+ TDs, 5-10 INTs, Leader of your team for 10-15 years, injured rarelyQB B - Throws for 3000-4000 yards, 25+ TDs, 5-10 INTs, 500-1000 yards rushing, 10+ Rushing TDs, Leader of your team for 3-7 years, injured for 2-5 games almost every other year

 

[Raider Nation]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.

The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

How many games has Kaep played at this point? You can't say he is going to hold up for the next 10-15 years after a half season starting.

Not everyone is Manning and Brady. You'd sign up right now for 6-8 more years like this one.

 

[spider321]

Future of QB in the NFL?If Goodell has his way?Skirts. Two-hand tag and skirts.

 

[twistd]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

That is something I wonder about. You may be right. It may be that it is just a coincidence that a group of players that are big, can run, and appear to be solid passers all came in to the league at the same time. Maybe we will only see these types of athletes come in to the league in isolated instances. If teams have success, if Kap, RG3, and Newton continue to succeed in the NFL, then teams will be looking for this type of athlete. Whether there will be those type of guys out there remains to be seen.

 

[DrJ]

After watching Kapernick this season, coupled with the success of RG3 and Newton, is this where the NFL QB is going for the future? The NFL has always had running QBs, Randall Cunningham, and more recently Michael Vick and Tebow. And I know when Vick came in to the league there was a lot of talk that he would change the QB position forever. At the time there was no one else like Vick in the league, and neither Vick nor Cunningham were particularly good passers. Tebow is an awful passer. In addition, running QBs always had the fragile label hung on them, with good reason. The common wisdom seemed to be that you couldn't win a Championship with a running QB because he could never stay healthy. Now we have a new breed of running QB. First of all, there are quite a few in the league all at once. That has never happened before. Not to mention, these guys can really throw the ball. RG3, Kapernick, and Newton are all accurate passers, and they are all young so they will probably improve with experience. And although Luck or Wilson probably aren't quite in the same category as the first three as far as running goes, they are mobile too. Is this the direction the NFL is going as far as QB goes?I believe that much of the running success has been due to the read option offense these teams have been running. Just like the wildcat, D coordinators will figure it out and discover it's weaknesses. But the running threat these types of QBs present cannot be underestimated. This adds a dimension to the offense that a pocket passer just doesn't have. But, unlike a one dimensional player like Tebow, these guys are really good passers. These players can stay in the pocket and beat you.I would like to hear what other people think. Is this crop of running, mobile QBs, just a matter of chance? Is it just a coincidence that all these players happen to have entered the league all at once? Or are college programs developing these types of QBs? Is this what teams will be looking for in the future?

At the time Vick came into the league, I'd probably consider McNabb, Culpepper, McNair, Aaron Brooks, Garcia, Kordell Stewart, and Rich Gannon to be the mobile passers. McNabb had 460 yards rushing in 9 games before he went down in 2002 and already had 3 100 yard rushing games in his 3 1/2 year career to that point. Culpepper was a beast running the ball when he first got into the league. It really doesn't seem like there's a significant amount more rushing QB's today than there were 10 years ago. Guys that run like these guys do typically stop doing that after a few too many bumps though unless that's the only redeemable part of their game.

 

[twistd]

After watching Kapernick this season, coupled with the success of RG3 and Newton, is this where the NFL QB is going for the future? The NFL has always had running QBs, Randall Cunningham, and more recently Michael Vick and Tebow. And I know when Vick came in to the league there was a lot of talk that he would change the QB position forever. At the time there was no one else like Vick in the league, and neither Vick nor Cunningham were particularly good passers. Tebow is an awful passer. In addition, running QBs always had the fragile label hung on them, with good reason. The common wisdom seemed to be that you couldn't win a Championship with a running QB because he could never stay healthy. Now we have a new breed of running QB. First of all, there are quite a few in the league all at once. That has never happened before. Not to mention, these guys can really throw the ball. RG3, Kapernick, and Newton are all accurate passers, and they are all young so they will probably improve with experience. And although Luck or Wilson probably aren't quite in the same category as the first three as far as running goes, they are mobile too. Is this the direction the NFL is going as far as QB goes?I believe that much of the running success has been due to the read option offense these teams have been running. Just like the wildcat, D coordinators will figure it out and discover it's weaknesses. But the running threat these types of QBs present cannot be underestimated. This adds a dimension to the offense that a pocket passer just doesn't have. But, unlike a one dimensional player like Tebow, these guys are really good passers. These players can stay in the pocket and beat you.I would like to hear what other people think. Is this crop of running, mobile QBs, just a matter of chance? Is it just a coincidence that all these players happen to have entered the league all at once? Or are college programs developing these types of QBs? Is this what teams will be looking for in the future?

At the time Vick came into the league, I'd probably consider McNabb, Culpepper, McNair, Aaron Brooks, Garcia, Kordell Stewart, and Rich Gannon to be the mobile passers. McNabb had 460 yards rushing in 9 games before he went down in 2002 and already had 3 100 yard rushing games in his 3 1/2 year career to that point. Culpepper was a beast running the ball when he first got into the league. It really doesn't seem like there's a significant amount more rushing QB's today than there were 10 years ago. Guys that run like these guys do typically stop doing that after a few too many bumps though unless that's the only redeemable part of their game.

The difference is that McNair was the only one of those guys that went over 500 yards rushing twice. Culpepper, Gannon, and McNair did it once each. RG3 and Newton both had over 700 yards rushing this year. Newton has gone over 700 in his first two years. Russell Wilson almost had 500 in his first year. Kap had 181 in one game. I think there is a big difference between these current guys and all those guys you mentioned. I think that these guys are going to put up a lot more rushing yards, over a longer period of time, if they stay healthy. They can possibly put up the kind of rushing yards that Vick did, but put up the kind of passing yards that McNabb, Gannon, and Garcia did. It could be a pretty impressive combination.

 

[drummer]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

How many games has Kaep played at this point? You can't say he is going to hold up for the next 10-15 years after a half season starting. Also I think you see running QBs run wild for the first year or two and then get slowed down when defenses have an offseason or two to prepare.Kaep also beat the Packers who I have said over and over get burned by running QBs in general usually. Vick was one of the first QBs to beat them in the Playoffs in Green Bay.In the end what would you rather have?QB A - Throws for 4500-5000 yards, 30+ TDs, 5-10 INTs, Leader of your team for 10-15 years, injured rarelyQB B - Throws for 3000-4000 yards, 25+ TDs, 5-10 INTs, 500-1000 yards rushing, 10+ Rushing TDs, Leader of your team for 3-7 years, injured for 2-5 games almost every other year

Harbaugh is working in the pocket passing game with Kaep, and will probably use his legs less than everyone thinks. It's just that now they can exploit it throughout this post season. Another off-season with some tweaks with the weapons and Kaep's throwing mechanics should see more of Kaep's arm than his legs. But you don't want to not use those wheels when you can.

 

[Riversco]

Running QBs are like running backs. Once they hit age 30, they typically hit a wall as a running threat. Kapernick is 25, so he's got quite a few years yet.

 

[Riversco]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

How many games has Kaep played at this point? You can't say he is going to hold up for the next 10-15 years after a half season starting. Also I think you see running QBs run wild for the first year or two and then get slowed down when defenses have an offseason or two to prepare.Kaep also beat the Packers who I have said over and over get burned by running QBs in general usually. Vick was one of the first QBs to beat them in the Playoffs in Green Bay.In the end what would you rather have?QB A - Throws for 4500-5000 yards, 30+ TDs, 5-10 INTs, Leader of your team for 10-15 years, injured rarelyQB B - Throws for 3000-4000 yards, 25+ TDs, 5-10 INTs, 500-1000 yards rushing, 10+ Rushing TDs, Leader of your team for 3-7 years, injured for 2-5 games almost every other year

Harbaugh is working in the pocket passing game with Kaep, and will probably use his legs less than everyone thinks. It's just that now they can exploit it throughout this post season. Another off-season with some tweaks with the weapons and Kaep's throwing mechanics should see more of Kaep's arm than his legs. But you don't want to not use those wheels when you can.

Maybe but they said a lot of the same things about Kordell Stewart and Michael Vick. They tweaked, they changed things, but they were still running QBs. Maybe Kapernick will be different. But I would just enjoy him for what he is while he is young.

 

[packseasontix]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.

The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

How many games has Kaep played at this point? You can't say he is going to hold up for the next 10-15 years after a half season starting.

Not everyone is Manning and Brady. You'd sign up right now for 6-8 more years like this one.

What are the odds that happens though? Vick is the closest mirror and look at how much he was injured running as much as he did. Even McNair was injured and done for seasons multiple times.With someone that is more pocket based your looking at 10-15 years with maybe losing out on 2 seasons/postseason. On the flip-side with a running based QB if they last 6-8 years you are still looking at them probably missing 2-3 seasons/postseason because of injuries.

If I am investing as much as I am in a cornerstone of the franchise I want to make sure he stays as healthy as possible. Very few people can step in behind center and do great things, why would you want to up your risk that a backup will need to come in and hope he performs?

 

[Raider Nation]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.

The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

How many games has Kaep played at this point? You can't say he is going to hold up for the next 10-15 years after a half season starting.

Not everyone is Manning and Brady. You'd sign up right now for 6-8 more years like this one.

What are the odds that happens though? Vick is the closest mirror and look at how much he was injured running as much as he did. Even McNair was injured and done for seasons multiple times.With someone that is more pocket based your looking at 10-15 years with maybe losing out on 2 seasons/postseason. On the flip-side with a running based QB if they last 6-8 years you are still looking at them probably missing 2-3 seasons/postseason because of injuries.

If I am investing as much as I am in a cornerstone of the franchise I want to make sure he stays as healthy as possible. Very few people can step in behind center and do great things, why would you want to up your risk that a backup will need to come in and hope he performs?

Kaepernick has 5" and about 25 lbs. on Vick. Not close to a "mirror" ...

 

[SacramentoBob]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.

The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

How many games has Kaep played at this point? You can't say he is going to hold up for the next 10-15 years after a half season starting.

Not everyone is Manning and Brady. You'd sign up right now for 6-8 more years like this one.

What are the odds that happens though? Vick is the closest mirror and look at how much he was injured running as much as he did. Even McNair was injured and done for seasons multiple times.With someone that is more pocket based your looking at 10-15 years with maybe losing out on 2 seasons/postseason. On the flip-side with a running based QB if they last 6-8 years you are still looking at them probably missing 2-3 seasons/postseason because of injuries.

If I am investing as much as I am in a cornerstone of the franchise I want to make sure he stays as healthy as possible. Very few people can step in behind center and do great things, why would you want to up your risk that a backup will need to come in and hope he performs?

Kaepernick has 5" and about 25 lbs. on Vick. Not close to a "mirror" ...

Funhouse mirror.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

My initial reaction is "probably not," since RG3 has already demonstrated what happens to read-option QBs in the NFL. Then again, this league is bending over backwards to protect the QB at all cost, so I wouldn't completely rule out the possibility that running QBs could be a lot more successful going forward than what they might have been in in the 1980s-era NFL. Still though, there are risk associated with this style of play that no rule changes can do away with, and when you consider the amount of coin tied up in this position, I still think the ordinary passers are going to reign long-term.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Vick, McNabb, McNair, Culpepper, Young and Elway were all know as good running QBs earlier in their career. Each of them at least went to a Conference Championship game. Let's stop pretending like these guys don't "win anything".

 

[Raider Nation]

I still think the ordinary passers are going to reign long-term.

Then Fitzpatrick has an MVP in his future!

 

[Mario Kart]

The typical QB is not going to change. This type of QB has a short window for success and not many GM's are going to change or work towards the type of system that best fits them. College is much easier to do this with.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Vick, McNabb, McNair, Culpepper, Young and Elway were all know as good running QBs earlier in their career. Each of them at least went to a Conference Championship game. Let's stop pretending like these guys don't "win anything".

Having the ability to scramble as an extra dimension is one thing. Having your offense designed around your QB being a ball-carrier on a regular basis is another. (Also, note that Elway is probably the only guy in that group who did much running deep into his career. The others either converted to pocket passers or had their careers ended by injury or passing incompetence).

 

[qimqam]

Cam Newton can't pass? Jesus. There comes a time when you just have to ignore a guys personality when he gets on the field and attempt to watch him play with no bias. Cam has the potential to be a great passer. That's what makes him so scary, in combination with his size and running ability. He's inconsistent right now, but he's got a hell of an arm.

So you agree

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Cam Newton can't pass? Jesus. There comes a time when you just have to ignore a guys personality when he gets on the field and attempt to watch him play with no bias. Cam has the potential to be a great passer. That's what makes him so scary, in combination with his size and running ability. He's inconsistent right now, but he's got a hell of an arm.

So you agree

No. He said he can't pass. It's very clear from reading my post that I think Cam can pass.

 

[qimqam]

Until we see one of these run first QBs win something and stay healthy...

The Manning's, Brady, Brees, Rogers & Big Ben type players are the future of QB.

Ryan and Luck seem to fit this mold.

RGIII would be a better QB if he ran a lot less, obviously because the injuries but also because he is as good a passer as he is a runner. Until he changes (hopefully it's not too late) he will just be another talented injury prone player.

Russel Wilson is exciting and some big play ability but watching him closely over the past 2 weeks he just can not find open receivers

Maybe it's his height maybe it's something else but he has all kinds of time and in the replays you can see open receivers that he is just not seeing.

Cam Newton is just a clown ... can't pass and devalues all of the his other offensive weapons (D'will and Stewart)

Leading your team to the playoffs means you've won more than 20 other teams have, so considering 3 teams in the playoffs have QBs who run, they are winning. And RG3, Kaepernick, Cam Newton, and Russell Wilson all rank in the top 5 in the league in passing yards per attempt, so any notion that any of those guys aren't able to be successful passers is erroneous, because they already are.

I said RGIII is a great passerKapernick is on a great team that was great before he took over ... he can run like hell but lets see what happens when he gets rocked a few times. it's to early to say

Russell Wilson is athletic and competitive but to me it looks like he has major issues finding open receivers

Cam Newton has all sorts of problems

 

[qimqam]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

I disagree ... Kaepernick is 2 or 3 inches taller and less than 10 pounds heavier.He looks more slight than RGIII

 

[qimqam]

Vick, McNabb, McNair, Culpepper, Young and Elway were all know as good running QBs earlier in their career. Each of them at least went to a Conference Championship game. Let's stop pretending like these guys don't "win anything".

Vick, McNabb, McNair, not as much Culpepper (but was only good for a couple of years with Moss) , were run first QBs / Young and Elway were pass first run if you have to QBs

 

[spider321]

McNabb was a better QB when he "lost his legs" and started staying in the pocket.

 

[SacramentoBob]

McNabb was a better QB when he "lost his legs" and started staying in the pocket.

Also when he had a #1 WR not named Torrance Small, Todd Pinkston or Freddie Mitchell.

 

[DiStefano]

Future of QB in the NFL?If Goodell has his way?Skirts. Two-hand tag and skirts.

Don't forget the tampons to cover their kitties.

 

[Manster]

Its a constant arms race. D coordinators will find ways to better defend the read option, sure. And running QB's still have to able to be accurate passers from the pocket. Theres really no gettin around that.Each one of these "running" QB's brings something different to the table.RG3 is a playmaker. Great leader and a model citizen. The knee is a bummer. Good thing he's young.Wilson seems like nothing rattles him. He has that thousand mile stare poker face all the time. And he makes great decisions. Leadership. Kaep arguably has the biggest playmaking ability of all the running QBs. If the OLB/DE even hesitate he can be around the corner and gone in a hurry. When he reached top speed good luck catchin him! His ability to throw on the run has been impressive at the NFL level.Cam is a freak. He set the bar high his rookie season and came back to earth his sophmore season. Make no mistake, he's a helluva ball player. And looked pretty good at times this season. I think we may be seeing a shift in how QBs play. BUT, if they dont have it between the ears none of it matters. There have been plenty of "running" QBs that cant hack it in the NFL. And I'm sure we'll see plenty more coming down the pike. So the key is, these guys need to keep D's guessing and not end up like Mike Vick. Vick is an elite talent that doesnt quite have it upstairs.I'm biased, but I think Kaep is the total package. His passing accuracy has come a long way over the last few years. Thats the key for him. Without that, he's a more explosive Tebow. That wouldnt take him far.

 

[wilked]

I think so. Watching college football, it seems like running QBs have become the norm.

Good point, college QBs never ran much in the past...

 

[Ryan99]

I think we're seeing a once-in-a-generation infusion of elite QB talent into the NFL. I don't think this is the future of QBs in the NFL because I don't think these guys are "ordinary" talent that we'll continue seeing. RG3 is Michael Vick but he's humble, a good learner and he can throw. Cam Newton is a 6'5", 250 lbs QB who can run and throw well. Kaepernick is a 6'4" speedy QB with a great arm. Physical talent like this doesn't grow on trees.Keep in mind that it's not like coaches at the high school and college level just figured out they could win by putting their best athlete at QB; this has been happening forever. But these players usually don't make it to the NFL as productive QBs. To get this many of them all at once is very unlikely and their level of success is unprecedented.

 

[Xue]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

I disagree ... Kaepernick is 2 or 3 inches taller and less than 10 pounds heavier.He looks more slight than RGIII

Whichever one "looks" slight than the other doesn't matter. Anyone can see Kaepernick "plays" less slight than Griffin. Kaepernick is much better at taking a shot than Griffin.

 

[Xue]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

6'5", can run, and with a big arm? They do grow on trees. Just that most of them just can't pass for ####. See: Joe Webb. Actually Webb is 6'3", but still pretty built. Also see: Jamarcus Russell. Newton is everything Russell was suppose to be.

 

[Raider Nation]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.

The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

6'5", can run, and with a big arm? They do grow on trees. Just that most of them just can't pass for ####.

Yeah, that would be included under "skill set"...

 

[The Westin]

I really hope this read-option crap doesn't stick. I'm hoping its just a gimmick, like the wildcat, but who knows. Coordinators may need a couple years to really figure it out. With the read-option, the NFL is turning into college which to me is unwatchable.Then again, maybe I'm just a bitter Packers fan

 

[placebo]

The "running QB's have never won a Super Bowl" argument is really dumb. They've only played 46 of them, and most of them aren't relevant to the modern NFL. Not exactly a big sample size to go off of.

 

[Raider Nation]

I really hope this read-option crap doesn't stick. I'm hoping its just a gimmick, like the wildcat, but who knows. Coordinators may need a couple years to really figure it out.

Wildcat = gimmickRead Option = not going anywhere.The Wildcat employed RBs and WRs taking direct snaps. Once defenses figured out Miami's dog and pony show, Sparano was updating his résumé. The read option, by contrast, employs LEGIT passing threats. As long as the colleges keep producing the players capable of running it, you'll keep seeing it. When run precisely, this offense presents huge conflicts. I don't think it's something that defenses will "figure out" eventually.

 

[The Westin]

Wildcat = gimmickRead Option = not going anywhere.The Wildcat employed RBs and WRs taking direct snaps. Once defenses figured out Miami's dog and pony show, Sparano was updating his résumé. The read option, by contrast, employs LEGIT passing threats. As long as the colleges keep producing the players capable of running it, you'll keep seeing it. When run precisely, this offense presents huge conflicts. I don't think it's something that defenses will "figure out" eventually.

Ya I know what you're saying, as far as it not being a gimmick.Coordinators might not "figure it out", but it is still relatively new and schemes will be adjusted to account for it. In the Packers game, you could see they just had no clue on how to defend it. I read an article where they said they expected to see maybe 10 read-option plays (and they game planned accordingly) but there were way more than that actually ran.In time, teams will try now things and people will figure it out the best way to defend it. I think it becomes less effective as defenses adjust, it may not be worth the risk to have your QB take all the hits. We'll see though. More wishful thinking on my part than anything, since I hate watching it.

 

[Xue]

Kaepernick is the model you're looking for. He's huge, so he can better withstand the beating associated with running all the time. Griffin is much more slight. One year in, and he's already taken a major beating.

The problem is that guys with Kaepernick's size and skill set don't grow on trees.

6'5", can run, and with a big arm? They do grow on trees. Just that most of them just can't pass for ####.

Yeah, that would be included under "skill set"...

Well Kaepernick wasn't very accurate in college, so give a lot of credit to the coaches for that improvement.

 

[Xue]

Wildcat = gimmickRead Option = not going anywhere.The Wildcat employed RBs and WRs taking direct snaps. Once defenses figured out Miami's dog and pony show, Sparano was updating his résumé. The read option, by contrast, employs LEGIT passing threats. As long as the colleges keep producing the players capable of running it, you'll keep seeing it. When run precisely, this offense presents huge conflicts. I don't think it's something that defenses will "figure out" eventually.

Ya I know what you're saying, as far as it not being a gimmick.Coordinators might not "figure it out", but it is still relatively new and schemes will be adjusted to account for it. In the Packers game, you could see they just had no clue on how to defend it. I read an article where they said they expected to see maybe 10 read-option plays (and they game planned accordingly) but there were way more than that actually ran.In time, teams will try now things and people will figure it out the best way to defend it. I think it becomes less effective as defenses adjust, it may not be worth the risk to have your QB take all the hits. We'll see though. More wishful thinking on my part than anything, since I hate watching it.

The best way to play it is gap control/discipline. See what Stanford did to Oregon.

 

[cstu]

The "running QB's have never won a Super Bowl" argument is really dumb. They've only played 46 of them, and most of them aren't relevant to the modern NFL. Not exactly a big sample size to go off of.

Steve Young won a SB.

 

[SacramentoBob]

The "running QB's have never won a Super Bowl" argument is really dumb. They've only played 46 of them, and most of them aren't relevant to the modern NFL. Not exactly a big sample size to go off of.

Steve Young won a SB.

Yeah, but he was white.

 

[lod01]

The "running QB's have never won a Super Bowl" argument is really dumb. They've only played 46 of them, and most of them aren't relevant to the modern NFL. Not exactly a big sample size to go off of.

They are more likely to win now with the new rules of not being able to touch the QB. If this was the 70s or 80s NFL, all these running QBs would be sitting on IR.

 

[Jewell]

The "running QB's have never won a Super Bowl" argument is really dumb. They've only played 46 of them, and most of them aren't relevant to the modern NFL. Not exactly a big sample size to go off of.

True, but of the four teams remaining in this year's Super Bowl hunt (which is relevant to the modern NFL), three of the teams have the classic pocket passer who almost never runs, and only one team has a running QB. This could be a product of the fact that most of the running QBs are young guys who need more seasoning before reaching the Super Bowl level. Or it could be a continuation of the pocket passer domination of Super Bowl Sunday.