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FWP and his 1000th yard (1 Viewer)
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mozzy84
Footballguy
the guy is worthless/average in ff, no touchdowns, hardly any receptions, no ff points, why I can't start jamal or watson over him drives me nuts. He plays cin next week I'm sure I'll start him again.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
Much of the problem stems from the change in offensive philosophy with OC Bruce Arians coming on board.
With Bill Cowher and Ken Whisenhunt emphasizing the power running game, Parker got tons of touches inside the red zone, and at the goal line. Arians and Tomlin always seem to want to throw the ball in the red zone, or give the ball to Najeh Davenport (who's failing miserably) in short-yardage situations. And then of course, there's been very inconsistent offensive line play as well.
Parker's suffering becuase of this shift.
IMHO, Pittsburgh's a pretender, not a contender. They probably won't beat Cincy in Week 13, and are gonna get crushed by New England in Week 14.
With Bill Cowher and Ken Whisenhunt emphasizing the power running game, Parker got tons of touches inside the red zone, and at the goal line. Arians and Tomlin always seem to want to throw the ball in the red zone, or give the ball to Najeh Davenport (who's failing miserably) in short-yardage situations. And then of course, there's been very inconsistent offensive line play as well.
Parker's suffering becuase of this shift.
IMHO, Pittsburgh's a pretender, not a contender. They probably won't beat Cincy in Week 13, and are gonna get crushed by New England in Week 14.
dcgangstas
Footballguy
Yes, he does. Amazing that I'm 8-4 with Parker as my "#1" RB. Think I will start Jamal Lewis and Justin Fargas next week;at least they know how to find the end zone. Parker couldn't find it with Mapquest and a GPS system built into his helmet.
mozzy84
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Urinal Mint
Footballguy
Their run blocking SUCKS, plain and simple.
jbalicki10
Footballguy
Exactly, FWP is a GREAT Running Back with a Crappy O-Line.Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
I think the problem is Pitt's goal line run packages. Willie Parker is much more effective out of a conventional formation with at least 2 WR's spread out and a full back. Keeps the defense honest. Every red zone carry that I have seen with WP this year has been in a "jumbo formation" (extra lineman), everyone knows the run is coming and the Pitt offensive line is NOT dominant enough to get a push and open any holes, so WP has been "dead on arrival". Why the OC has not yet picked up on this is beyond my comprehension.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The running game has also suffered because for some reason the Steelers are anamored with FB Carey Davis instead of Dan Kreider. Supposedly Davis is a better runner and receiver but they never give or pass him the ball.
Kreider is by far the better blocker and needs to be in there more than he is.
Kreider is by far the better blocker and needs to be in there more than he is.
Urinal Mint
Footballguy
People need to quit kidding themselves with this version of the Steelers. They are a pass-first team and Parker is a grinder and decoy for them. They have the personnel to spread it out on defenses and they make a living off play-action mixed in with 2-3 yd dive plays to keep the linebackers from sitting on the zones.
thatguythere
Footballguy
Try Henry, Parker, Lee Evans, Roy Williams............Managed to get to 7-5 with an outside chance because of a zillion WW pickups. Can FWP deliver one huge game and get me in??? You can't bench him this week, but I am not holding my breath on a huge game. They had better put some overtime into that field if he is going to do anything. Did you hear Joey Porter.....he said something like "Willie runs a 4.2 but on this field he was more like a 4.8..and we all can run a 4.8."
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Chicago Hooligan
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Trading away Parker helped me more in terms of not having to make the difficult choice of starting him over Portis most weeks than what I gained in the trade.
Although if this drops Parker to the 2nd round next season I'll be right there to draft him again.
Although if this drops Parker to the 2nd round next season I'll be right there to draft him again.
The blocking is pretty bad. You can see Parker commit to 2 and a cloud of dust all the time- I wonder if he's been instructed not to cut it back on those plays?
The playcalling has been irritating as well. Last night it looked like Parker was getting stronger and stronger as the game wore on and then they got away from him and let Rothlisberger take a bunch of really bad sacks and Davenport wallow in the mud.
That being said- am I the only one who thinks Parker is due to rip a couple of gamebreakers? Overdue?
The playcalling has been irritating as well. Last night it looked like Parker was getting stronger and stronger as the game wore on and then they got away from him and let Rothlisberger take a bunch of really bad sacks and Davenport wallow in the mud.
That being said- am I the only one who thinks Parker is due to rip a couple of gamebreakers? Overdue?
Steel Town
Footballguy
Good point about the matchups not making a difference for FWP owners. I have a hunch that he disappoints again vs. the Bengals, leading many owners to bench this guy....only to hit paydirt several times vs. the Pats.
Steelnation
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BingoGodsbrother said:
arlingtonpark27
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Amazing that I'm 8-4 with Parker as my "#1" RB. Think I will start Jamal Lewis and Justin Fargas next week;at least they know how to find the end zone. Parker couldn't find it with Mapquest and a GPS system built into his helmet. 
I agree, I drafted him at the top of the 2nd round in an 8-team redraft league and thought I had a huge bargain. Turns out, he's my biggest problem. I should just drop him so I'm not tempted to start him anymore. I wish he knew where the endzone is.
I agree, I drafted him at the top of the 2nd round in an 8-team redraft league and thought I had a huge bargain. Turns out, he's my biggest problem. I should just drop him so I'm not tempted to start him anymore. I wish he knew where the endzone is.
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Someone bite the bullet and bench him so the rest of us can benefit.
On The Rocks
Footballguy
Can we drop the "F" from FWP?
I mean really. It isn't like he has jaw dropping speed.
I mean really. It isn't like he has jaw dropping speed.
Dirty Weasel
Footballguy
FWP is RB12 in my league at the moment (scoring is .1 per rush, .1 per yd rush/receive, .5 per catch, 6 per TD). I know his lack of TD's sucks, but you have to keep starting him and hope for the best. The main reason - he's getting the touches. He is averaging 25 touches per game. He has only been below 20 carries once this season, and that's when he had 19. Bench him at your own discretion.
Weapon of Mass Instruction
Watch my feet!
I drafted Willie in round 1 and Travis Henry in round 2...and I'm 9-3. Although, I'm not really disagreeing with your point.tandl71 said:
Captain Spaulding
Footballguy
Pick your poison...here are my 3 RB's in a TD friendly dynasty league. Looked great beginning of season:
Gore (1 great FF game...goose eggs every other week)
Parker (#2 in NFL RB's / #20 in my FF league)
Bush (with 20+ touches every game are you ever going to break the "big one"..??? I'm sick of the 10 catches all for 4 yard gains every single friggin' game)
Gore (1 great FF game...goose eggs every other week)
Parker (#2 in NFL RB's / #20 in my FF league)
Bush (with 20+ touches every game are you ever going to break the "big one"..??? I'm sick of the 10 catches all for 4 yard gains every single friggin' game)
strong
Footballguy
He's ranked #17 in my 50-50 league.
He's #22 over the last six games.
That's a lot lower than anyone expected and really low considering his touches and good health. I'm frustrated with it but as long as he's getting his carries, he's going to stay in my lineup as a below average RB2 with big upside. I'm better off than a couple other teams in my league that are crossing their fingers that their RB2 gets 10 touches...
He's #22 over the last six games.
That's a lot lower than anyone expected and really low considering his touches and good health. I'm frustrated with it but as long as he's getting his carries, he's going to stay in my lineup as a below average RB2 with big upside. I'm better off than a couple other teams in my league that are crossing their fingers that their RB2 gets 10 touches...
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
Wow. I'm jealous. I did that and I'm 4-8 as well.
OU#1
Footballguy
You guys are all complaining about the blocking and such: He's losing his goaline touches to Davenport. How can you blame the O-Line when the yardage is there? Also PIT is leaning more on the pass this season under Tomlin. How many rush TD's do they have vs Pass TD's? Throwing out last night's snoozefest they have been quite productive this season on offense from what I've seen. No reason to bench a Top 12 RB even if he's not living up to his ADP.
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I agree - listen I'm bummed by his production but it has been steady. He had a few very big games, but for this season he seems to be 2007's version of Rudi Johnson - steady but not spectacular. It's killing me in some respects, but then again, so much of the top RBs have been a mess this year, I'll take consistent and healthy.
I agree - listen I'm bummed by his production but it has been steady. He had a few very big games, but for this season he seems to be 2007's version of Rudi Johnson - steady but not spectacular. It's killing me in some respects, but then again, so much of the top RBs have been a mess this year, I'll take consistent and healthy.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Probably not....I remember Reuben Droughns getting 1200 a few years back with only 2 TDs, and Fred Taylor had similar stats the year before.Clem Daniels led the AFL in rushing one year with only 3 TDs (reaching here...).Wasn't there someone who topped 1,000 but did not score all year? But still, can't remember a league leading rushing who was this unproductive.Blueb said:
treat88
Footballguy
Not an excuse, but remember the weather the Steelers have played in the last 4 games before judging him too harshly.
Playcalling, although putrid, has been very limited by the surfaces they've had to deal with.
I am stunned about the way they use Najeh. I have never seen a big guy go down more easily. Willie is a better short yardage runner by far.
I am also stunned about the lack of FWP involvement in the passing game.
The transition in coaching staff has hindered not helped when I thought it would do just the opposite.
Arians needs to be let go quickly. Not just for my fantasy team, but for the Steelers to play up to their potential.
Playcalling, although putrid, has been very limited by the surfaces they've had to deal with.
I am stunned about the way they use Najeh. I have never seen a big guy go down more easily. Willie is a better short yardage runner by far.
I am also stunned about the lack of FWP involvement in the passing game.
The transition in coaching staff has hindered not helped when I thought it would do just the opposite.
Arians needs to be let go quickly. Not just for my fantasy team, but for the Steelers to play up to their potential.
kawaihae
Footballguy
I am in agreement with a lot said on this post, but I have to believe my own eyes with him. And when I watch him, he looks great whenever he gets the tinyest seam to exploit. He runs hard, hits the hole quick, and breaks tackles. Sure he gets a lot of carries, but when I watch a Steelers game, I am shocked at how many times they run him up the 1 or 2 hole with absolutely no blocking and just a big pile to run into!
He just needs to be used right. I cannot believe that, with all that passing, they don't throw him more screens/dump offs. He seems like the ultimate catch-the-ball-in-space-and-go guy. He also gets pulled on 3rd down (when the defense is spread out to cover the 3 or 4 WRs- which is perfect for a draw/screen) and gets pulled on a lot of goal line plays (when they choose to throw to their TEs). It's maddening!
So, kind of like watching Marion Barber last year, FWP is a RB that I know has the attitude and skills, and the coaches just need to figure out how to use him right. I'm not giving up yet...
He just needs to be used right. I cannot believe that, with all that passing, they don't throw him more screens/dump offs. He seems like the ultimate catch-the-ball-in-space-and-go guy. He also gets pulled on 3rd down (when the defense is spread out to cover the 3 or 4 WRs- which is perfect for a draw/screen) and gets pulled on a lot of goal line plays (when they choose to throw to their TEs). It's maddening!
So, kind of like watching Marion Barber last year, FWP is a RB that I know has the attitude and skills, and the coaches just need to figure out how to use him right. I'm not giving up yet...
This is one thing that disappointed me. I heard that the reason they chose Tomlin to replace Cowher was that he expressed in his interivew his firm belief in a strong unrelenting rushing offense. I was sure becasue of this that Pitts' O would not be so pass oriented.Also I agree with what was just posted -- its weird/frustrating that Willie P doesnt get more looks in the passing game.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Lot of good posts in here. I think FWP is the same RB as 2006, but as has been mentioned. The line play isn't as good. Sure, he is getting the yardage, but his ypc is way down. Also, the playcalling posts are correct. Parker isn't given room to run and the formations are not to his benefit. When I watch games, it seems obvious to me when they are going to run and when they aren't. As Porter said, the field is actually about as bad as it can be and did neutralize any push the offensive line should have gotten and took away their weapon in Parker. The game against Baltimore was the same awful field, though not even as hideous as Monday night's. I agree as well on Najeh, Parker has proven since 2006 to be more effective in short yardage and Najeh again got stuffed for losses on 2 short yardage carries on Monday.
Also, if Roethlisberger had gotten a little air under the ball on 1st and Goal, instead of throwing it through Porter, Parker is wide open for the score. Shame, because that play suprised Miami and Parker was wide open. That may have been one of the few plays all game where the offense had the element of surprise.
To be honest, Parker could be a really good value in 2008. If Tomlin/OC, really start looking at tapes and actually decide to work on their formations and play calling, he could go right back to 2006.
Also, if Roethlisberger had gotten a little air under the ball on 1st and Goal, instead of throwing it through Porter, Parker is wide open for the score. Shame, because that play suprised Miami and Parker was wide open. That may have been one of the few plays all game where the offense had the element of surprise.
To be honest, Parker could be a really good value in 2008. If Tomlin/OC, really start looking at tapes and actually decide to work on their formations and play calling, he could go right back to 2006.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Actually, no.No running back that has ever led the NFL in carries has ever finished outside the top ten. Parker is currently ranked 14th, thanks to his rushing yards counting for over 80% of his fantasy points this season
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/2007/0...art_goose13.phpActually, no.No running back that has ever led the NFL in carries has ever finished outside the top ten. Parker is currently ranked 14th, thanks to his rushing yards counting for over 80% of his fantasy points this season
Steeler
Footballguy
Dear Mr. Rooney,Some anonymous dude on a message board...... oh, nevermind.
-OZ-
Footballguy
took FWP in the 1st, I'm 4th out of 14 in my total points league. Actually, 5 of my first 7 picks have been bad, made up for it late with WRs like Welker and McDonald. (just to say, don' t blame your 4-7 record on one or two picks)1. (11) Willie Parker RB2. (18) Clinton Portis RB3. (39) Lee Evans WR4. (46) Jon Kitna QB5. (67) Michael Vick QB (early draft)6. (74) Mark Clayton WR7. (95) Ladell Betts RB
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ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
Trust me, I'm not.There are an infinite amount of variables involved and over half of those variables have come out against me this year. The number one thing that happened to me and I point to is that during my 7 game losing streak every player that I had drafted on my roster and that was supposed to perform at a high level didn't. That's the way it goes.took FWP in the 1st, I'm 4th out of 14 in my total points league. Actually, 5 of my first 7 picks have been bad, made up for it late with WRs like Welker and McDonald. (just to say, don' t blame your 4-7 record on one or two picks)1. (11) Willie Parker RB2. (18) Clinton Portis RB3. (39) Lee Evans WR4. (46) Jon Kitna QB5. (67) Michael Vick QB (early draft)6. (74) Mark Clayton WR7. (95) Ladell Betts RB
bollocks28
Footballguy
"There are an infinite amount of variables involved and over half of those variables have come out against me this year."
Isn't half of infinity still infinity?
Isn't half of infinity still infinity?
Wild Young Billy
A Crazy Cat
I have a dilemma this week.... Parker, Gore or R. Grant.... Parker is the 21st RB in my league. Believe it or not, Gore is 13th after his outburst last week. I drafted Parker in Round 1 as well.
ScoobyDoo
Footballguy
Yes."There are an infinite amount of variables involved and over half of those variables have come out against me this year."Isn't half of infinity still infinity?
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