Those 1950's sitcoms had the right idea all along.I know of 2 couples that sleep in separate beds. According to them, it's better for their health and marriage.
Tell em to suck in their pride and go get a sleep study.I know of 2 couples that sleep in separate beds. According to them, it's better for their health and marriage.
ETA: separate rooms as well due to snoring.
Is there a link to that podcast? I've never listened to one.Just listened to Rogan’s podcast with Matthew Walker who is a sleep expert. The podcast is a good listen and pretty scary for those who don’t get enough sleep. He said the percent of people (rounded) who can get by with less than 7 hours of sleep is 0%.
I hate to sleep but have tried to get 6-7 hours in years gone by and the last couple of years 7-8. I started taking melatonin regularly and it seems to help (even if it’s placebo effect). As mentioned earlier I the thread, I’m convinced my mothers poor help is directly related to lack of sleep as here genes and lifestyle are good.
Bio: Matthew Walker is Professor of Neuroscience and Psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, and Founder and Director of the Center for Human Sleep Science. Check out his book "Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams" on Amazon.
https://jrelibrary.com/1109-matthew-walker/Is there a link to that podcast? I've never listened to one.
I'm ####ed either wayWhat's better for your health sleeping or #######? If it's the former I'm in pretty good shape, if it's the later, there's a good chance I'm dying.
A little late but yes this is the way to go.I know of 2 couples that sleep in separate beds. According to them, it's better for their health and marriage.
ETA: separate rooms as well due to snoring.
Okay, this is great and all, but as always with these kind of responses I have to ask the question, idk if he says in the podcast, does he define "getting by?"Just listened to Rogan’s podcast with Matthew Walker who is a sleep expert. The podcast is a good listen and pretty scary for those who don’t get enough sleep. He said the percent of people (rounded) who can get by with less than 7 hours of sleep is 0%.
Sorry, gb - but - this just ain't true.My wife gets up at 5:30 and she is not easy to sleep with.
It’s a 2 hour podcast so he goes in depth on the negative impacts. Higher risk of cancer, dementia - all cause mortality rate increases:Okay, this is great and all, but as always with these kind of responses I have to ask the question, idk if he says in the podcast, does he define "getting by?"
Roganis usually good at thinking and asking questions, so he must have asked, right?
It’s a 2 hour podcast so he goes in depth on the negative impacts. Higher risk of cancer, dementia - all cause mortality rate increases:
A lot of things he said were pretty eye opening but one thing in particular stood out - (paraphrasing) humans are the only animals to intentionally not get enough sleep and not only do we do that but many people celebrate it. Which is just stupid because studies show that we really aren’t more productive when we don’t sleep.
He said it (getting more sleep) is basically the best thing we could all do today to improve our health.
He talked about Reagan and Thacther and how both were known (and celebrated) for their stamina and the apparent lack of sleep they would get. He points out that both developed dementia later in life.
Not sure what direction the causality runs here. Maybe they're tired from committing all those crimes.
Hate to sleep? Dam..I love to sleep. My sweet spot is 9 hours.Just listened to Rogan’s podcast with Matthew Walker who is a sleep expert. The podcast is a good listen and pretty scary for those who don’t get enough sleep. He said the percent of people (rounded) who can get by with less than 7 hours of sleep is 0%.
I hate to sleep but have tried to get 6-7 hours in years gone by and the last couple of years 7-8. I started taking melatonin regularly and it seems to help (even if it’s placebo effect). As mentioned earlier I the thread, I’m convinced my mothers poor help is directly related to lack of sleep as here genes and lifestyle are good.
Bio: Matthew Walker is Professor of Neuroscience and Psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, and Founder and Director of the Center for Human Sleep Science. Check out his book "Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams" on Amazon.
Thanks for posting this. I’d like to check out the podcast. Walker’s book is excellent.Just listened to Rogan’s podcast with Matthew Walker who is a sleep expert. The podcast is a good listen and pretty scary for those who don’t get enough sleep. He said the percent of people (rounded) who can get by with less than 7 hours of sleep is 0%.
I hate to sleep but have tried to get 6-7 hours in years gone by and the last couple of years 7-8. I started taking melatonin regularly and it seems to help (even if it’s placebo effect). As mentioned earlier I the thread, I’m convinced my mothers poor help is directly related to lack of sleep as here genes and lifestyle are good.
Bio: Matthew Walker is Professor of Neuroscience and Psychology at the University of California, Berkeley, and Founder and Director of the Center for Human Sleep Science. Check out his book "Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams" on Amazon.
I worked night shift for 11 years and it wreaked havoc on my sleep. Not just the timing, but amount and fragmentation of sleep periods. I had a couple night night terrors when I woke up screaming, which eventually led me to change my work hours. It’s taken a few years to get back into a more normal sleep schedule. For me, exercising until exhaustion before it gets too late really helps.It’s a 2 hour podcast so he goes in depth on the negative impacts. Higher risk of cancer, dementia - all cause mortality rate increases:
A lot of things he said were pretty eye opening but one thing in particular stood out - (paraphrasing) humans are the only animals to intentionally not get enough sleep and not only do we do that but many people celebrate it. Which is just stupid because studies show that we really aren’t more productive when we don’t sleep.
He said it (getting more sleep) is basically the best thing we could all do today to improve our health.
He talked about Reagan and Thacther and how both were known (and celebrated) for their stamina and the apparent lack of sleep they would get. He points out that both developed dementia later in life.
A well rested person thinks clearer. They exercise better. They're more likely to make good diet choices. Outside factors can still influence stressors, but I think a well rested person is put into a better position to manage those stressors. And they are more likely to get to the end of the day without totally draining their energy. So they can then prepare for the next day rather than just tapping out.I’d like to hear the data on the bolded. I’ll have to check out the podcast.
I think everything you said is probably true, but I'd like to know the data supporting it being the best thing one can do for health. Like mortality vs. average hours of nightly sleep, controlled for confounders like obesity and smoking. As far as I know, the latter two are the most important modifiable risk factors for disease.A well rested person thinks clearer. They exercise better. They're more likely to make good diet choices. Outside factors can still influence stressors, but I think a well rested person is put into a better position to manage those stressors. And they are more likely to get to the end of the day without totally draining their energy. So they can then prepare for the next day rather than just tapping out.
It all feeds into each other, but it all starts with rest,
I guess my point is I’ve always had that child-like mindset of, I don’t want to miss anything and would rather be awake doing stuff than sleeping. In an ideal world (or maybe I should say MY ideal world) sleep would not be required.Hate to sleep? Dam..I love to sleep. My sweet spot is 9 hours.
If we don`t go out on a Fri or Sat night and I go to bed at 10pm and get up around 7am I feel totally rejuvenated.
Glad to hear things are better for you - I wanted to bold that one part to highlight that he says the idea of making up sleep is a myth. You can’t according to Walker.We have a weird relationship with sleep in this country. As if it's somehow weak or bad to get good sleep.
I used to have bad insomnia, and generally had sleep issues. I'd stay up late, "get by" with 6 hours, and make it up on the weekend by sleeping until 10-11am.
I've posted this in other health/etc threads, but my health (both physical and mental) improved when I started making sleep a priority. I started waking up / going to bed at the same time every night (weekends included). I work at home, so midnight is my "bedtime", and I wake naturally around 7 - 7:30. It's great, and I have zero insomnia anymore.
Couple of points here:I worked night shift for 11 years and it wreaked havoc on my sleep. Not just the timing, but amount and fragmentation of sleep periods. I had a couple night night terrors when I woke up screaming, which eventually led me to change my work hours. It’s taken a few years to get back into a more normal sleep schedule. For me, exercising until exhaustion before it gets too late really helps.
I’d like to hear the data on the bolded. I’ll have to check out the podcast.
And melatonin ain’t placebo, especially for jet lag.
Background
In 2007, the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) classified shift work with circadian disruption or chronodisruption as a probable human carcinogen. Short-term disturbances of biological 24-hour-rhythms following exposures to light and darkness at unusual times are well-known as „jet-lag“ and „shift-lag“ symptoms. However, that chronic disturbances or disruptions of timely sequenced circadian rhythms (chronodisruption) should contribute to long-term developments of cancer is a relatively new concept. This review provides background and practical information with regard to the open question „does shift-work cause cancer?“
Methods
Overview on the basis of a selective literature search via Medline and ISI Web of Knowledge until 2009 from the viewpoints of occupational medicine, epidemiology, chronobiology, and occupational science.
Results
The postulated causal links between shift-work and cancer in humans are biologically plausible in the light of experimental findings, but to date we lack epidemiological studies which could describe or exonerate risks in humans. Monetary compensation has already been paid for such cases in at least one country (Denmark). In Germany, however, according to the applicable law, a new occupational disease can only be recognized when certain conditions for the recognition of „general scientific merit“ have been met. We present the current state of knowledge regarding prevention.
Any concerns with higher doses that you are aware of? I started taking a 5mg tablet and didn't notice much. As I increased the dosage it seemed to work better. I'm going to try and implement some of his other suggestions and lower my dosage (maybe even stop taking it for a while). I've seen no side effects when I take it. My wife says it causes her restless leg type issues when she takes it.Also low dose melatonin is great. 1-2mg is plenty.
Most of my comments and quotes are going from memory from listening but I know he said something like this. It's possible he said "one of" and I'm overstating or he may have said something about cheapest/easiest - honestly I'm now questioning my memory of it. But, suffice it to say he thinks it's ONE OF the best things you can do and is vital to health and improves health in almost all cases. The repair/recycle work that the body does during quality sleep can't be replicated. But, as I do most of the time around here, I caution folks not to listen to me but go to the source and educate yourselves. I can confidently say - get your sleep to improve your health and quality of life.I think everything you said is probably true, but I'd like to know the data supporting it being the best thing one can do for health. Like mortality vs. average hours of nightly sleep, controlled for confounders like obesity and smoking. As far as I know, the latter two are the most important modifiable risk factors for disease.
This is the most likely cause of my Type 2 diabetes. I was always in good shape other than my sleep issues. It makes a lot more sense to me now.Having access to my wife's glucose monitor data has given me some insights here. Your body turns over a lot of liver functions roughly starting 4hrs into sleep. Sometimes up to 6. If sleep is disturbed in that time it just says #### it. Maybe tomorrow.
In that situation your body is in catch up mode all day with glycogen and other factors and is much more insulin resistant. So it's not shocking to see sleep and type 2 correlation. Among other factors.
melatonin downregulates dopamine (to an extent). This can have downstream effects of lessening the impact of events like eating sugar and carbs, leading to over-indulgence to get the required dopamine hit to cease the negative activity. Sleep studies have shown 1-3mg are plenty to get effects. It's also not suggested to use it to counter the effects of alcohol, for similar reasons.AAABatteries said:Any concerns with higher doses that you are aware of? I started taking a 5mg tablet and didn't notice much. As I increased the dosage it seemed to work better. I'm going to try and implement some of his other suggestions and lower my dosage (maybe even stop taking it for a while). I've seen no side effects when I take it. My wife says it causes her restless leg type issues when she takes it.
Whiskey should solve that problem. Much less liquid and calories. Win-win.ChiefD said:And if you can't sleep, look at the why's. For me, one of the triggers for bad sleep is booze, which leads to peeing at night, which leads to broken up sleep. The simple fact is I had to monitor my drinking to get a good night's sleep.
2 beers or less - I don't have to pee overnight. More than that, and I'm up to pee. So I try not to drink most nights anymore. Helps me on two fronts - sleep and less alcohol consumption.
3mg is the usual recommended dose. I am unaware of any documented harm from it. Theoretically, prions could be transmitted from the "all natural" form derived from pineal (brain) tissue, but most available nowadays is recombinant stuff created in a lab.AAABatteries said:Any concerns with higher doses that you are aware of? I started taking a 5mg tablet and didn't notice much. As I increased the dosage it seemed to work better. I'm going to try and implement some of his other suggestions and lower my dosage (maybe even stop taking it for a while). I've seen no side effects when I take it. My wife says it causes her restless leg type issues when she takes it.