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Gabriel Traded to Patriots (1 Viewer)
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taz
Footballguy
I agree, what a risk
joffer
Footballguy
Heap is good for 65/700/6. Gabriel won't sniff that.
M & M
Footballguy
Since when is 6-2 and 215 considered smaller? If anything Branch is a smaller reveiver at 5-10 and 180.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
:XJaxBill said:
wannabee
Footballguy
Patriots | Team reportedly trades a fifth-round pick for Gabriel
Published Sun Sep 3 1:24:00 a.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Oakland Raiders reportedly received a 2007 fifth-round draft pick from the New England Patriots in exchange for WR Doug Gabriel.
Published Sun Sep 3 1:24:00 a.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) ESPN.com's John Clayton reports the Oakland Raiders reportedly received a 2007 fifth-round draft pick from the New England Patriots in exchange for WR Doug Gabriel.
cracKer
Shawn Culcasi
Weird move by the Raiders. Why would they trade a player who appears to be one of their starting wide receivers to an AFC rival for a 5th round pick? I'm a big supporter of Curry's so I can only hope that it has something to do with his progression (that we haven't seen). Looks like they softened big time with their hard stance towards Jerry Porter. Not sure what to make of this.
Fifth? that's a sweet deal
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I was expecting a first day pick minimum. Bad deal for the Raiders.
joffer
Footballguy
for Doug Gabriel???
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+--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 2003 oak | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 1 17 17.0 0 || 2004 oak | 16 | 2 7 3.5 0 | 33 551 16.7 2 || 2005 oak | 14 | 1 5 5.0 0 | 37 554 15.0 3 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 42 | 3 12 4.0 0 | 71 1122 15.8 5 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
For a young WR that has 2 years left on his contract at the vet minimum. Do you think Raiders can replace Gabriel with a pick at the end of the 5th round? They better be lucky. Why should Oakland do NE any favors? A third round pick is what he should have been traded for IMO.
No. 16
Footballguy
I think the Raiders see Gabriel as expendable as he is a one dimensional deep threat like Randy Moss. He's not very good on the intermediate routes or in the middle of the field. He also drops easy passes. The thing is Gabriel was drafted in the 5th round so getting a 5th rounder in return is a solid deal. Plenty of players traded for picks are traded for picks lower than they were drafted in.
What this deal says to me is the Raiders are confident in Porter/Curry to fill the #2 role. They must also be confident in Morant and Whitted to fill the role of Gabriel as situational deep threat.
What this deal says to me is the Raiders are confident in Porter/Curry to fill the #2 role. They must also be confident in Morant and Whitted to fill the role of Gabriel as situational deep threat.
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First of all WTF on this trade. Second glance. Maybe, just maybe, Moss, Curry, Porter, Morant, Whitted is the way the team wanted to go anyways. I still say WTF, but you do need to look at the WR corp the Raiders still have. I still don't get it, but I'm trying too.
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switz
Footballguy
Yeah, really dumb. Braylon is a potential top-10 WR, even on that horrible team.
massraider
Footballguy
I like all those bodies they have left, even Whitted. They all have value to the Raiders. Gabe has never really progressed much beyond his first year. Deep threat, makes the occasional intermediate catch, but across from Moss, he was superfluous. Across from Moss, you want Porter, maybe Curry, but not Moss-lite. I don't see the Raiders protecting Brooks enough to have two deep guys running seams and flags all day long. Gabe, production-wise, and talent-wise, was #4 on the Raiders. He started, but only when Moss, Porter, and Curry were out. Morant has looked good for two straight preseasons, guess he'll get his shot as the #4 guy this year.First of all WTF on this trade. Second glance. Maybe, just maybe, Moss, Curry, Porter, Morant, Whitted is the way the team wanted to go anyways. I still say WTF, but you do need to look at the WR corp the Raiders still have. I still don't get it, but I'm trying too.
I don't like trading him for a 5th, but actually, I thought a 4th was most likely. I realize New England needed a receiver, but expecting a 3rd? After Donte Stallworth just went for a 4th? Stallworth, Lelie, and Gabe; Gabe has proven less out of anyone in that group, but he'll get the highest price? I don't think so.
massraider
Footballguy
I have no idea what he's talking about. The Raiders don't have any small receivers.
Vintage_Football
Footballguy
I really think that Gabriels value rises more than anyones here. You're talking about a young receiver thats been getting 40 - 550 - 3 with less than appealing QBs throwing to him, and people would be shocked if he got 300-400 !?!?! I'd be completly shocked if he didn't do better than that if he'd have stayed with Oakland, much less with him going to Tom Bradytown. I could see him gett 50-55 for 600-650 and 5 tds. I do believe this helps Currys value too, but you can't really think that Curry will benefit more than a 6'2" 220 Gabriel going to NE, and possibly being the No. 1 guy.
I can't believe anyone would cut a Braylon Edwards or a Todd Heap for him, although I do see a chance for Gabriel to put up a matching season to Braylon, Clev. just doesn't seem that appealing to me. Heap, OMG, are you smoking that stuff between butt cheeks? I can see Heap getting 70-700-7 with Air McNair throwing to him. I guess we'll all have our opinion till Brady tries out his new toy.
I can't believe anyone would cut a Braylon Edwards or a Todd Heap for him, although I do see a chance for Gabriel to put up a matching season to Braylon, Clev. just doesn't seem that appealing to me. Heap, OMG, are you smoking that stuff between butt cheeks? I can see Heap getting 70-700-7 with Air McNair throwing to him. I guess we'll all have our opinion till Brady tries out his new toy.
Serenity Now
Footballguy
I think it's funny that people are surprised that Oakland would give Gabriel away for a 5th. This is the team that -- albeit briefly -- had Jeff George on their roster this week. Personnel evaluation doesn't seem to be a strength here. Not saying by any means that Gabriel will be huge in NE, btw.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Gabriel can flat out fly and makes athletic catches in full stride..should be good for some bethel johnson type td`s with Brady slinging it.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Seriously, I think you guys are way overrating Doug Gabriel.
joffer
Footballguy
edited, but
He just got cut.
Brewdude
Footballguy
Really surprised at all the people saying this isn't a big deal. Gabriel goes from a WR3-4 to being WR1 on a team with a better QB.
I'm not predicting he'll be a top 15 WR given the history of spreading the ball around in NE, but he's certainly worth having as a WR4-6 on a fantasy team with upside to be WR2-3. Basing this year's numbers on last year's is not valid, IMO. His situation has completely changed.
No one here is predicting him to rocket up the draft charts, but I think it's reasonable to look for 800/6 from him this year. The NE WRs this year are not near as good as the Oakland WRs.
This is a great move for Gabriel and he's worth rolling the dice on.
As I said, I dropped Jennings (after this news) for Gabriel. Gabriel has a higher ceiling.
I'm not predicting he'll be a top 15 WR given the history of spreading the ball around in NE, but he's certainly worth having as a WR4-6 on a fantasy team with upside to be WR2-3. Basing this year's numbers on last year's is not valid, IMO. His situation has completely changed.
No one here is predicting him to rocket up the draft charts, but I think it's reasonable to look for 800/6 from him this year. The NE WRs this year are not near as good as the Oakland WRs.
This is a great move for Gabriel and he's worth rolling the dice on.
As I said, I dropped Jennings (after this news) for Gabriel. Gabriel has a higher ceiling.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Patriots | Gabriel has good day at practice Monday
Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:11:45 -0700
Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports New England Patriots WR Doug Gabriel had a good day at practice Monday, Sept. 4. He looked smooth while running through the team's four-cone drill and caught every pass thrown his way.
Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:11:45 -0700
Mike Reiss, of the Boston Globe, reports New England Patriots WR Doug Gabriel had a good day at practice Monday, Sept. 4. He looked smooth while running through the team's four-cone drill and caught every pass thrown his way.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Typically a player has to be a starter to be considered the WR1 on his team. I'm not saying Gabriel isn't good enough to crack the starting lineup in New England - I don't know enough about him at this point to know how well he'll do here. But I would expect at this point that Gabriel will play in a handful of offensive packages, mostly where the Patriots need a faster receiver (the Patriots' biggest need without Branch) and then Belichick will decide if he's able to grow into a bigger role.
Chief
Footballguy
The other thing that has not been mentioned is that Gabriel was returning kicks and with the development of that Carr kid, Gabriel becomes a redundant roster spot at many levels. (see above quote). NE knows this and I am sure this factored in them only getting a 5th rounder.
Maybe a higher cieling than Michael but not than Greg. If Favre "falls in love" with Jennings, he's fantasy gold
I don't think I've seen Moss described as one-dimensional before.
Jagerbomber
Footballguy
This is about the best assessment of Gabriel IMO. He'll get the long odd bomb. Dropping Braylon Edwards for this guy is nuts. Now I now Cleveland sucks ### but come on now. Stay tuned.
He cleared waivers and the Pats signed him to their practice squad.
kevinallen
Footballguy
Given that Gabriel was the 3rd WR in Oakland last year and he ended up with 554 yds and 3TD's, why would 700 and 6 be so far-fetched this season as NE's #2 WR? Let's say worst case for Gabriel would be Branch staying in NE... Gabriel then becomes the #2 WR. Last season, Givens ended up with 738 yds and 2TD's in that same role. If Branch gets dealt, Gabriel putting up at least 700 and 6 is not only possible, but probable.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Why are so many people instantly annointing Gabriel as the current WR1, and the WR2 if Branch is out?
true feelings on Pats WRs I guess
kevinallen
Footballguy
The Patriots are smart enough to know if they wanted a #3 or #4 WR this time of year, they could go and get one that is now sitting at home after being waved. I think the trade, albeit a 5th Rounder, is enough of a sign that Gabriel was brought in to be more than a #3 or #4.
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joffer
Footballguy
what does that have to do with the compensation that the Raiders got? A first day pick for Gabriel is ridiculous.The best thing Gabriel had going for him was opportunity to be a WR2 in a vertical passing offense that was going to be behind a lot. That's gone. Even if Branch doesn't play, he's a mediocre WR in a running offense with lots of mouths to feed and not a lot of pie to share.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
The Raiders will be using the TE position ALOT in there passing game...thus making Gabriel expendable.The TE`s(2)will be used blocking and catching while moss and curry go long. I also heard that Gabriel was kind of a cancer in the locker room(read it somewhere awhile back).
DoubleG
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Curry Replaces Gabriel as #2 WR --
Tue Sep 5, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com
The San Francisco Chronicle reports Raiders WR Ronald Curry replaced WR Doug Gabriel as the No. 2 receiver behind WR Randy Moss in practice Monday. HC Art Shell won't commit to a starter at the other receiver spot, and WR Jerry Porter seems in the mix.
Tue Sep 5, 2006 --from FFMastermind.com
The San Francisco Chronicle reports Raiders WR Ronald Curry replaced WR Doug Gabriel as the No. 2 receiver behind WR Randy Moss in practice Monday. HC Art Shell won't commit to a starter at the other receiver spot, and WR Jerry Porter seems in the mix.
No. 16
Footballguy
Really?Maybe two dimensional is better a vertical and red zone threat, but as far as moving the chains, middle of the field WR Moss is not that.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I still think a fith round pick was too little. Obviously you don't think much of him but compare him to other WRs drafted in the 5th.20 5 11 144 Marques Hagans still on Rams 21 5 14 147 Jeremy Bloom IR Eagles 20 5 4 140 Airese Currie on the Bears 21 5 19 155 Larry Brackins cut by Buccaneers. 22 5 38 174 Rasheed Marshall cut by 49ers 18 5 2 134 Johnnie Morant on Raiders 19 5 17 149 Maurice Mann waived by Seahawks 20 5 25 157 D.J. Hackett on the Seahawks 21 5 31 163 Drew Carter on the Panthers #3 WR 22 5 32 164 P.K. Sam cut Patriots 16 5 4 139 Bobby Wade ??? 17 5 8 143 Justin Gage ??? 18 5 23 158 Adrian Madise ??? 19 5 24 159 Jon Olinger ??? 20 5 32 167 Doug Gabriel traded to Pats 21 5 34 169 J.R. Tolver ??? 22 6 2 175 David Kircus ??? 16 5 7 142 Terry Charles ??? 17 5 9 144 Herb Haygood ??? 18 5 14 149 Jason McAddley ??? 19 5 16 151 Jake Schifino ??? 20 5 27 162 Freddie Milons ??? 21 5 35 170 Sam Simmons ???I could go on.
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