Gabriel Traded to Patriots (1 Viewer)

[Donnybrook]

What does Bob Kraft like most about Gabriel?

Answer: His contract. Gabriel is working for peanuts.

 

[OneEastRiver]

Does anyone feel that the reason the compensation for Gabriel has not been revelaed is because Branch is heading to Oakland? I could see Davis pulling this off.

I'm tempted to jump all over Curry in a couple of my my dynasty leagues, but this is holding me back. Well, partly this, the other thing is I don't want to pull a flranger.

me too

 

[walkwithme]

I drafted Gabriel last night with the thought that hopefully Porter would be moved by way of trade. Now Gabriel will have to learn a new system and is probably 3rd or below on the depth chart on a team that spreads the ball around.

 

[flranger]

Does anyone feel that the reason the compensation for Gabriel has not been revelaed is because Branch is heading to Oakland? I could see Davis pulling this off.

I'm tempted to jump all over Curry in a couple of my my dynasty leagues, but this is holding me back. Well, partly this, the other thing is I don't want to pull a flranger.

Now that's funny!!Since my crappy team has partially hijacked this thread, which WR would you drop in a non-dynasty PPR league (it's the least I can ask for all the laughs I have given you guys, I had to drop one by Thursday):MuhammedColesB. EdwardsMcCardellBranchLee Evans

 

[kaso]

Damnit. I was looking forward to watching Gabriel as a Raider for years to come...

 

[Couch Potato]

Does anyone feel that the reason the compensation for Gabriel has not been revelaed is because Branch is heading to Oakland? I could see Davis pulling this off.

I'm tempted to jump all over Curry in a couple of my my dynasty leagues, but this is holding me back. Well, partly this, the other thing is I don't want to pull a flranger.

Now that's funny!!

Gotta have a little fun with you while it's fresh, my friend.

 

[Lombardi's Orphan Son]

I've been thinking about this a little bit... I'm thinking the real winner in all this is Curry. Moss is Moss, he'll be the featured threat, that's a given. But I've never been sold on Porter over Curry. When they were starting together, pre-Moss and pre-achilles, Curry was clearly outplaying Porter and was quickly becoming the go-to target. He really was reminding me of another converted QB, Hines Ward.Now, two years later, much has changed. Different QBs, Moss is #1, and two achilles injuries. If Curry is all the way back, though, he's much better suited to be the possession guy to Moss' deep threat. Most are assuming Porter is now out of the doghouse with this trade, but that's not a given. I suppose Porter wiil start - that's what's being assumed - but I think the Raiders are better with Curry out there.Also, from a dynasty perspective, I read not long ago that Moss is likely to be gone after this year, given his contractual situation (and I don't remember the particulars, but it was a huge number). If Curry has a strong 2006, I still think he could end up being a future WR1. The Raiders, I think, will have a long memory concerning Porter's mouth. That sort of insubordination doesn't go over real well in Raiderland.CP

i was drooling when someone in my dynasty league dropped Curry last week. i picked him up on Thursday and now this information. i am stoked. i picked up Gabriel in 2004 and remember kicking myself for not grabbing Curry first. Curry was clearly coming into his own and outshining all of the WRs. Curry is going to be a top notch WR2 if he can stay healthy.-orphan

 

[nathanbalboa]

I think this a huge bump for Curry. He's clearly the number 2 WR in an offense that will throw the ball a lot and will play a lot from behind. I don't see Porter coming back and it's also possible Moss could miss a few games this season (he's had a hard time staying healthy for 16). Curry's definately a sleeper and I've got him at about 900/7.

Doug Gabriel just becomes another face in the crowd in New England. I don't see any WR getting the ball enough to be a much more than a WR5 on most rosters.

 

[zenzephyros]

Right now I have Michael Clayton, but I am not very sure of his productivity this season behind Galloway and matched up against a tough "pass defense" schedule. Is Gabriel or Curry a better bet?

 

[Couch Potato]

Does anyone feel that the reason the compensation for Gabriel has not been revelaed is because Branch is heading to Oakland? I could see Davis pulling this off.

I'm tempted to jump all over Curry in a couple of my my dynasty leagues, but this is holding me back. Well, partly this, the other thing is I don't want to pull a flranger.

Now that's funny!!Since my crappy team has partially hijacked this thread, which WR would you drop in a non-dynasty PPR league (it's the least I can ask for all the laughs I have given you guys, I had to drop one by Thursday):MuhammedColesB. EdwardsMcCardellBranchLee Evans

Must be a small league.At this point, given the Gabriel trade and how ugly things have become, it looks like Branch either sits until week 10 or gets shipped off. In a redraft, given the above names as alternatives and all the uncertaintly involving him, I'd just be done with Branch. Even with a trade, he's unlikely to assimilate quickly and be as productive as the other guys on your list.

 

[gman8343]

Right now I have Michael Clayton, but I am not very sure of his productivity this season behind Galloway and matched up against a tough "pass defense" schedule. Is Gabriel or Curry a better bet?

Clayton is a much better WR than Gabriel IMO.

 

[joffer]

I think this a huge bump for Curry. He's clearly the number 2 WR in an offense that will throw the ball a lot and will play a lot from behind. I don't see Porter coming back and it's also possible Moss could miss a few games this season (he's had a hard time staying healthy for 16). Curry's definately a sleeper and I've got him at about 900/7.Doug Gabriel just becomes another face in the crowd in New England. I don't see any WR getting the ball enough to be a much more than a WR5 on most rosters.

 

[zenzephyros]

Right now I have Michael Clayton, but I am not very sure of his productivity this season behind Galloway and matched up against a tough "pass defense" schedule. Is Gabriel or Curry a better bet?

Clayton is a much better WR than Gabriel IMO.

I feel like Gabriel will just step in and put up Branch's numbers. Brown and Caldwell are awful and Brady has to know that.

 

[flranger]

Does anyone feel that the reason the compensation for Gabriel has not been revelaed is because Branch is heading to Oakland? I could see Davis pulling this off.

I'm tempted to jump all over Curry in a couple of my my dynasty leagues, but this is holding me back. Well, partly this, the other thing is I don't want to pull a flranger.

Now that's funny!!Since my crappy team has partially hijacked this thread, which WR would you drop in a non-dynasty PPR league (it's the least I can ask for all the laughs I have given you guys, I had to drop one by Thursday):MuhammedColesB. EdwardsMcCardellBranchLee Evans

Must be a small league.At this point, given the Gabriel trade and how ugly things have become, it looks like Branch either sits until week 10 or gets shipped off. In a redraft, given the above names as alternatives and all the uncertaintly involving him, I'd just be done with Branch. Even with a trade, he's unlikely to assimilate quickly and be as productive as the other guys on your list.

Not so much, unless 12 team is small. I intentionally failed to draft a TE because I knew Wiggins would remain available and in PPR I think he will be solid, but not spectacular. Check my RB's on my sig (which I updated). In PPR format I'm in heaven.

 

[EMoney]

Good Move!

 

[Gopher State]

Bottom line seems to be move Watson up as the best pass catcher on N.E, it will take Gabriel some time to learn the system, and this seems to cement the fact that Branch is not returning to N.E.

 

[massraider]

Wow. Lotta people are more optimistic about Curry than I am.

One thing regarding Porter, there hasn't been one bit of negative feedback since his initial blowup. He hasn't said a word to the press, and has been practicing every day. Unfortunately the Raiders keep their practices closed, so it's tough to say how he's been behaving, but no news is good news as far as that's concerned. Anyone venturing a guess as to his status with the team is taking a shot in the dark.

As to Curry: Best case scenario, he continues his work in the slot, where he was the best guy on the team in that role. Bump? Absolutely. Big bump? I dunno about that.

The man's had two blown Achilles. I wouldn't be cutting anyone decent to pick him up.

 

[JohnnyU]

Wow. Lotta people are more optimistic about Curry than I am.One thing regarding Porter, there hasn't been one bit of negative feedback since his initial blowup. He hasn't said a word to the press, and has been practicing every day. Unfortunately the Raiders keep their practices closed, so it's tough to say how he's been behaving, but no news is good news as far as that's concerned. Anyone venturing a guess as to his status with the team is taking a shot in the dark.As to Curry: Best case scenario, he continues his work in the slot, where he was the best guy on the team in that role. Bump? Absolutely. Big bump? I dunno about that. The man's had two blown Achilles. I wouldn't be cutting anyone decent to pick him up.

I just cut Kerry Collins in 2 leagues to pick Curry up. I picked him up in another league, but I have to drop 2 players before Thurs.

 

[Brewdude]

I took a chance in my redraft and dropped Jennings for Gabriel. I think they both have about the same opportunities, but Brady is better than Favre.

He's my 6th WR behind CJ, Boldin, Mason, Williamson and Engram

Worth a gamble, but not worth a WR3 or 4, IMO.

Curry's value is directly related to Porter's situation and I just don't know what's going to happen there, so I'm not moving on Curry.

 

[massraider]

I wouldn't be cutting anyone decent to pick him up.

I just cut Kerry Collins in 2 leagues to pick Curry up.

This is within the guidelines of the above rule.

 

[cstu]

I just dropped Braylon Edwards for Gabriel.........I have Branch. Did I goof?

Gete Edwards back ASAP. Don't do knee jerk stuff like that!

Agree, dumb move. Hope he clears waivers. We only have 5 bench spots in our league and Edwards was going to get dropped anyways so I can get a TE by Thursday (I didn't draft one, would rather sit on extra WR/RB until right before the first game).

How is getting trading to the Patriots a good thing for a WR? Edwards is the clear-cut #1 for his team and looks great in a dynasty - why would you drop him?

 

[taz]

I don't see how this can be anything but good news for Gabriel owners.

Not only are the Pats trying to replace Branch, but also Givens, who was their second-leading receiver last year, and a reliable target for Brady.

Caldwell's not the answer, and Jackson won't be ready for the near future. So that leaves Brown and Gabriel.

Watson's stock continues to go up, but I can't see Gabriel having difficulty surpassing Caldwell. Why else would the Pats give something up for him, rather than plucking a WR off waivers? They're clearly looking for more than just roster depth.

Curry? I might cut Michael Jenkins for him.

 

[Perry Ice]

I tend to agree with massraider. I think people are jumping to Curry quickly, when I believe this tarde is more a reflection that Porter is getting out of the dog house.

I think everyone knows about Porters problems, as it was announced on a couple nationaly televised games and it has drived Porter's value down so far that I have seen him not drafted in a lot of drafts.

But as Massraider outlined what have we heard about Porter lately...absolutley nothing... which leads me to believe he is getting back the respect of the coaching staff, and showing a willingness to leave the problems off the field.

I think Curry and Porter will be drafted about max a round or two apart....and I am much more willing to take a shot on a guy who has put up two 900 yard seasons, and two seasons of 9 touchdowns, and has been a top 30 receiver in 3 of the last 4 years. Then taking a risk on a guy coming off a season ending injury, who has never achieved any of the levels Porter has.

 

[joffer]

But as Massraider outlined what have we heard about Porter lately...

from yesterday:

September 1, 2006, 19:48 Raiders :: WRWR Porter Slides Down Depth ChartSteve Corkran, Contra Costa Times - [Full Article]Disgruntled WR Jerry Porter has been passed on the depth chart by WR Doug Gabriel and WR Ronald Curry. Going into the season opener Gabriel will start opposite WR Randy Moss.

 

[massraider]

But as Massraider outlined what have we heard about Porter lately...

from yesterday:

September 1, 2006, 19:48

Raiders :: WR

WR Porter Slides Down Depth Chart

Steve Corkran, Contra Costa Times - [Full Article]

Disgruntled WR Jerry Porter has been passed on the depth chart by WR Doug Gabriel and WR Ronald Curry. Going into the season opener Gabriel will start opposite WR Randy Moss.

I responded to that post already. Porter was working with the 3rd team from the time camp started. That article could have been published August 1st.

 

[walkwithme]

I took a chance in my redraft and dropped Jennings for Gabriel. I think they both have about the same opportunities, but Brady is better than Favre.He's my 6th WR behind CJ, Boldin, Mason, Williamson and EngramWorth a gamble, but not worth a WR3 or 4, IMO.Curry's value is directly related to Porter's situation and I just don't know what's going to happen there, so I'm not moving on Curry.

You dropped Jennings for Gabriel prior to this news Maybe you did this a long while ago but Jennings was one of a few players after watching a couple preseason games and looking at the competion around him has the skills to put up WR #2 numbers. Gabriel has the same type of potential but was behind Porter so you were banking on Porter leaving or getting hurt.

 

[jdraiders]

Does anyone feel that the reason the compensation for Gabriel has not been revelaed is because Branch is heading to Oakland? I could see Davis pulling this off.

I'm tempted to jump all over Curry in a couple of my my dynasty leagues, but this is holding me back. Well, partly this, the other thing is I don't want to pull a flranger.

That's a possibility, but I doubt it. They announced it as an undisclosed draft pick. I can't imagine the Raiders getting Branch and a pick for Gabriel......that did not happen. As a Raiders fan they are sold on Curry being back or Porter and Shell made up.

 

[The Deathstar]

I think this a huge bump for Curry. He's clearly the number 2 WR in an offense that will throw the ball a lot and will play a lot from behind. I don't see Porter coming back and it's also possible Moss could miss a few games this season (he's had a hard time staying healthy for 16). Curry's definately a sleeper and I've got him at about 900/7.Doug Gabriel just becomes another face in the crowd in New England. I don't see any WR getting the ball enough to be a much more than a WR5 on most rosters.

NE homer here. You are right on the money. No NE WR is gonna post top 10, or even top 15 numbers. TE Watson is the only decent receiving investment you should make in NE.

 

[Solidsteel Rats]

I think this a huge bump for Curry. He's clearly the number 2 WR in an offense that will throw the ball a lot and will play a lot from behind. I don't see Porter coming back and it's also possible Moss could miss a few games this season (he's had a hard time staying healthy for 16). Curry's definately a sleeper and I've got him at about 900/7.Doug Gabriel just becomes another face in the crowd in New England. I don't see any WR getting the ball enough to be a much more than a WR5 on most rosters.

NE homer here. You are right on the money. No NE WR is gonna post top 10, or even top 15 numbers. TE Watson is the only decent receiving investment you should make in NE.

And LM Dillion is slow and old!

 

[Liquid Tension]

Has deep speed for sure, but I've seen him make some tough intermediate catches. Hands have been spotty. Makes tough catches, drops some he should grab.

Thanks. I'd probably put him at 25-30 catches, 375-450 yards, 2 TDs right now, with very little upside. They'll probably work him in slowly, mostly on first downs for deep or intermediate pass routes.

What other receivers do you see getting numbers? I would think that you have Brown and Caldwell starting. Gabriel's talent level is greater than both of those guys. Caldwell has not impressed me, and Brady has had to show him where to line up several times. Just by default the Pats offense will have him get much more than the numbers you suggest.

Name a veteran receiver who came into New England and produced immediately? The New England offense is all about situational players. I'd expect Gabriel to be a situational player for first downs where they want him to run deep and intermediate pass routes. I wouldn't expect him to play much on third downs, especially if his hands are as bad as advertised - the only formation I'd expect to see him in would be the 5 WR formation where Brady might sneak or throw to one of several receivers running quick hooks and quick slants. And I disagree that anyone has to get much more than those numbers by default. Brown will get 600-700 yards, Caldwell another 500-600, Kevin Faulk another 250-300, Watson around 500-650, Dillon and Maroney combine for about 200-300, Gabriel about 375-450, other TEs around 300-500, and other receivers around 300-500, which would give us a range of 3000-4000 yards for Brady. Who do you see falling off to give Gabriel bigger numbers?

Caldwell just isn't getting it done, so NE felt they needed to get a decent WR. They accomplished that IMO. I see Gabriel becoming a very dependable WR, and certainly better than Brown or Caldwell. It's not news to anyone on this board that NE likes to spread the ball around, but going to NE is a good thing for Gabriel. Watson will lead the team in receptions in 2006, but Gabriel should do just fine.

JU, you say that Caldwell isn't getting it done? I had only seen some positive comments made by Bill about him and those are usually rare from Bill. I thought he was doing real well? Am I wrong?

 

[ALL IN]

I just dropped Braylon Edwards for Gabriel.........I have Branch. Did I goof?

Major goof. Don't anyone forget how the Pats and Brady move the ball around. I would have never made this move in a million years.

 

[ALL IN]

Has deep speed for sure, but I've seen him make some tough intermediate catches. Hands have been spotty. Makes tough catches, drops some he should grab.

Thanks. I'd probably put him at 25-30 catches, 375-450 yards, 2 TDs right now, with very little upside. They'll probably work him in slowly, mostly on first downs for deep or intermediate pass routes.

What other receivers do you see getting numbers? I would think that you have Brown and Caldwell starting. Gabriel's talent level is greater than both of those guys. Caldwell has not impressed me, and Brady has had to show him where to line up several times. Just by default the Pats offense will have him get much more than the numbers you suggest.

Assuming Branch gone:Brady: 3800/26 (had 4300 last year I think)Watson 700/6Gabriel 700/6Brown 600/4Caldwell 400/3Other WRs 200/2Other TEs 400/2All RBs 500/3

no no whoa! This is a new year the pats will pound there Rbs this year much more. Forget about 4300 for Brady this year, will not happen unless both Dillon and Marony go down. Gabriel will not catch 6 Tds. Closer to three it says here and 500.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

OK, everyone is talking about projections so I am gonna add mine.

Let me start off by saying I immediately dropped Reche Caldwell as my WR6 and picked up Gabriel off the WW. So you know I am liking this trade already.

Gabriel should step in and play quickly. Caldwell has not looked good...Chad Jackson isn't playing, Troy Brown is mor than a little long in the tooth. I think Gabriel will play even if branch comes back to NE.

I like Gabriel to post numbers similar to David Givens...you could make a case for 700-850 yds and 4-6 TDs depending on the gameplans and matchups. I like this move a lot for Gabriel owners...he was buried in oakland and now has one of the game's best QBs tossing him perfect spirals...he should do well.

 

[ALL IN]

Does anyone feel that the reason the compensation for Gabriel has not been revelaed is because Branch is heading to Oakland? I could see Davis pulling this off.

I'm tempted to jump all over Curry in a couple of my my dynasty leagues, but this is holding me back. Well, partly this, the other thing is I don't want to pull a flranger.

Now that's funny!!Since my crappy team has partially hijacked this thread, which WR would you drop in a non-dynasty PPR league (it's the least I can ask for all the laughs I have given you guys, I had to drop one by Thursday):MuhammedColesB. EdwardsMcCardellBranchLee Evans

Drop the Phins for now and get Edwards then work a trade or drop Gabriel for a Defense/TE. Edwards is almost 100% and could be a star sooner than later.

 

[Bri]

Awesome, we needed a WR, this is great news

 

[mightyeskimo]

how high would you raise gabriels stock? would you drop the likes of ladell betts or ryan moats for him? assuming those are your 4-6th rbs?

Not too much. With the spread offense NE runs it's hard for any receiver to be a fantasy stud. Branch was awesome there and he barely broke 1000 yards last year.

 

[JohnnyU]

JU, you say that Caldwell isn't getting it done? I had only seen some positive comments made by Bill about him and those are usually rare from Bill. I thought he was doing real well? Am I wrong?

Before preseason, yes, after preseason, no.

 

[Solidsteel Rats]

OK, everyone is talking about projections so I am gonna add mine.Let me start off by saying I immediately dropped Reche Caldwell as my WR6 and picked up Gabriel off the WW. So you know I am liking this trade already.Gabriel should step in and play quickly. Caldwell has not looked good...Chad Jackson isn't playing, Troy Brown is mor than a little long in the tooth. I think Gabriel will play even if branch comes back to NE. I like Gabriel to post numbers similar to David Givens...you could make a case for 700-850 yds and 4-6 TDs depending on the gameplans and matchups. I like this move a lot for Gabriel owners...he was buried in oakland and now has one of the game's best QBs tossing him perfect spirals...he should do well.

Suprised Gabriel was on anyones ww list still..knowing that he was a 2nd wideout at oakland and porter in doghouse.But I believe Chad Jackson (HURT NOW YES WE KNOW) is going to be the #3 and get as many touches as the others since NE does spread the ball around .

 

[cracKer]

Donald Curry = speed

:echo:

 

[Lauryn]

Donald Curry = speed

tim curry = speed

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Donald Curry = speed

tim curry = speed

Idian Curry = tasty food

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Donald Curry = speed

tim curry = speed

Idian Curry = tasty food

Idia...isn't that the home country of Idiots? j/k

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Donald Curry = speed

tim curry = speed

Idian Curry = tasty food

Idian...isn't that the home country of Idiots? j/k

No, thats Cleveland.

 

[Man of Constant Sorrow]

Donald Curry = speed

tim curry = speed

Idian Curry = tasty food

Idian...isn't that the home country of Idiots? j/k

No, thats Cleveland.

LOL. Plus, your quote caught my "idiot" error that I tried to edit.

 

[nerangers]

I was wondering if someone had to be cut to keep Branch....found out the answer was no

Roster note

One note on the Patriots' roster. The team has 25 offensive players, 26 defensive players and three specialists, for a total of 54. That's because wide receiver Deion Branch doesn't count against the roster limit, as he hasn't reported for camp.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Donald Curry = speed

tim curry = speed

Idian Curry = tasty food

Idian...isn't that the home country of Idiots? j/k

No, thats Cleveland.

LOL. Plus, your quote caught my "idiot" error that I tried to edit.

As opposed to my "idian" curry?

 

[rbrundrett]

Assuming Branch gone:

Brady: 3800/26 (had 4300 last year I think)

Watson 700/6

Gabriel 700/6

Brown 600/4

Caldwell 400/3

Other WRs 200/2

Other TEs 400/2

All RBs 500/3

I have 2 words for late season waiver wire pickup in a deep league... "Bam Childress"Yessir, and no, he's not my cousin. Call it a gut feeling... He's been catching balls, and getting comfy w/ the system. I think he'll be one of those Belichek "where the hell'd that guy come from?" players.

I give little creedence to these latecomers to the Pats offense at first. I don't think anybody'll be seeing resonably 'startable' numbers til week 4. I think Bobby Engram will be shipped to NE w/ a 2nd pick from Seattle for Branch, and I think this bodes well for Ben Watson in week 1-3, especially. I also think by mid-season Childress will have worked his way to 3 on the depth chart, and will be a starter next year. By the time this shakes out, the Pats will have a WR corp of:

Gabriel
Caldwell
Childress
Jackson (if he gets healty)
EngramHeh... of course this is all 'gut feeling'... Sometimes you gotta go w/ what you believe. I dont anticipate any WR to have steller numbers, and definately not higher than a WR3 on anybodys roster, as Brady'll have about 40 people to throw to in any given game. In fact, I think he'll catch one of his own passes (it'll bounce off somebody's helmet), just cuz it's the only roster player who hasn't caught one yet.

 

[Serenity Now]

I just dropped Braylon Edwards for Gabriel.........I have Branch. Did I goof?

Gete Edwards back ASAP. Don't do knee jerk stuff like that!

Agree, dumb move. Hope he clears waivers. We only have 5 bench spots in our league and Edwards was going to get dropped anyways so I can get a TE by Thursday (I didn't draft one, would rather sit on extra WR/RB until right before the first game).

Wait..you were serious?

 

[BringItOn]

I just dropped Braylon Edwards for Gabriel.........I have Branch. Did I goof?

Gete Edwards back ASAP. Don't do knee jerk stuff like that!

Agree, dumb move. Hope he clears waivers. We only have 5 bench spots in our league and Edwards was going to get dropped anyways so I can get a TE by Thursday (I didn't draft one, would rather sit on extra WR/RB until right before the first game).

Wait..you were serious?

Why don't I have people in my leagues that do things like this??

 

[AngryGorilla]

I just dropped Braylon Edwards for Gabriel.........I have Branch. Did I goof?

Gete Edwards back ASAP. Don't do knee jerk stuff like that!

Agree, dumb move. Hope he clears waivers. We only have 5 bench spots in our league and Edwards was going to get dropped anyways so I can get a TE by Thursday (I didn't draft one, would rather sit on extra WR/RB until right before the first game).

Wait..you were serious?

Why don't I have people in my leagues that do things like this??

I have people like this in my main league One guy drafted DDavis, 2nd round, and CRogers in about the 10th and he's still got 'em. He posts on the league message, just doesn't drop 'em