Game Thread W5 - Philadelphia at San Francisco (1 Viewer)

[cvnpoka]

How stupid can teh be not trying an onside kick. I would fire them on the spot if I owned that team. Fact: You have to stop them either way by buring up your timeouts. Give yourself a chance to get the ball on the kickoff. If you fail you are in the same position. 1 first down and you lose regardless of where the Eagles start from.Idiots.

Field position.

possession of the football tho

It's a moot point now, but your odds of getting an expected onsides kick are 20%.The odds of you getting a FG are >20% better if you kick deep then force a punt (getting the ball about your 40-45 yd line) than if you onsides kick to the 50 and then they punt inside your 20.

mebbe i dunno. but obv you left out the odds of ya kno, actually recovering hte onside and having more time and timeouts to work with.

 

[Amused to Death]

"Michael is still our starting quarterback so let's just get that out there now" - Andy Reid

Well if Andy says so, it must be true.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

How stupid can teh be not trying an onside kick. I would fire them on the spot if I owned that team. Fact: You have to stop them either way by buring up your timeouts. Give yourself a chance to get the ball on the kickoff. If you fail you are in the same position. 1 first down and you lose regardless of where the Eagles start from.Idiots.

Field position.

possession of the football tho

It's a moot point now, but your odds of getting an expected onsides kick are 20%.The odds of you getting a FG are >20% better if you kick deep then force a punt (getting the ball about your 40-45 yd line) than if you onsides kick to the 50 and then they punt inside your 20.

mebbe i dunno. but obv you left out the odds of ya kno, actually recovering hte onside and having more time and timeouts to work with.

it all comes down to thiso you like your odds of getting an onsides kick more than you like your chances of getting a FG drive starting from your 20 vs. the 40-50 yard line. That's the difference. 20% chance of getting the onsides kick on average. If not, 3-n-out and you get the ball about your 20.If you kick deep, 3-n-out likely puts the ball around your 40-49 yard line. Which is better? It's a choice. It's not cut and dry though.Given Philly's lack of a ground game and how the SF guys were getting into the Eagles' backfield I cannot fault the decision to kick deep. SF did get the ball back with >1 min to go.

 

[D'OHtis]

What's with this whole Vick/Atlanta revenge & personal stuff?? Vick's the one that screwed over that franchise.

 

[babydemon90]

Given Philly's lack of a ground game and how the SF guys were getting into the Eagles' backfield I cannot fault the decision to kick deep.

they averaged 4.6 ypc on the ground..... that's 'lack of a ground game'?

 

[cvnpoka]

it all comes down to this:

Do you like your odds of getting an onsides kick more than you like your chances of getting a FG drive starting from your 20 vs. the 40-50 yard line. That's the difference.



20% chance of getting the onsides kick on average. If not, 3-n-out and you get the ball about your 20.

If you kick deep, 3-n-out likely puts the ball around your 40-49 yard line.

Which is better? It's a choice. It's not cut and dry though.

Given Philly's lack of a ground game and how the SF guys were getting into the Eagles' backfield I cannot fault the decision to kick deep. SF did get the ball back with >1 min to go.

bolded is decent synapsis but you forget the time that runs off and the tos you auto burn if you kick deep. i would prefer the the former obv. i would wager a reasonable amount that advancedfootballstats.com would agree with onsiding.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Given Philly's lack of a ground game and how the SF guys were getting into the Eagles' backfield I cannot fault the decision to kick deep.

they averaged 4.6 ypc on the ground..... that's 'lack of a ground game'?

It's completely different when a team sells out against the run. Philly ran against a 3-man front most of the night.4.6 is a good game for sure but that's not to be expected when a D stacks the line.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Good game guys. I'm out.

 

[Raider Nation]

It's Kielbasa time, Andy.

Jesus I've never seen a man so fat.

Hey now

 

[FreeBaGeL]

it all comes down to thiso you like your odds of getting an onsides kick more than you like your chances of getting a FG drive starting from your 20 vs. the 40-50 yard line. That's the difference. 20% chance of getting the onsides kick on average. If not, 3-n-out and you get the ball about your 20.If you kick deep, 3-n-out likely puts the ball around your 40-49 yard line. Which is better? It's a choice. It's not cut and dry though.Given Philly's lack of a ground game and how the SF guys were getting into the Eagles' backfield I cannot fault the decision to kick deep. SF did get the ball back with >1 min to go.

Why do you keep talking about midfield? They got the ball at their own 32 yard line.Plus you're also ignoring the chance that they get a decent return after you kick it deep and end up near where they would have recovered the onside kick anyway.

 

[Premier]

It's Kielbasa time, Andy.

Jesus I've never seen a man so fat.

Hey now

God I forgot about him.You think Andy is at the point where he needs to use the towel on a stick?

 

[cvnpoka]

it all comes down to thiso you like your odds of getting an onsides kick more than you like your chances of getting a FG drive starting from your 20 vs. the 40-50 yard line. That's the difference. 20% chance of getting the onsides kick on average. If not, 3-n-out and you get the ball about your 20.If you kick deep, 3-n-out likely puts the ball around your 40-49 yard line. Which is better? It's a choice. It's not cut and dry though.Given Philly's lack of a ground game and how the SF guys were getting into the Eagles' backfield I cannot fault the decision to kick deep. SF did get the ball back with >1 min to go.

Why do you keep talking about midfield? They got the ball at their own 32 yard line.Plus you're also ignoring the chance that they get a decent return after you kick it deep and end up near where they would have recovered the onside kick anyway.

eh, who cares where they got it from in this particular instance. they cant tell the future. its all about where they are projected to get it from.

 

[CaptainHook]

take the average kickoff and the average 3 and out...im guessing this leaves the punting team at like the 30.

youre definitely not averaging somewhere in the 40s.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Andy Reid looks hungry.

Thinking to himself : 'where's the nearest buffet'His legs barely carried his bloated ### out onto the field after that win.. Man is a heart attack waiting to happen..

 

[gebz306]

It's Kielbasa time, Andy.Jesus I've never seen a man so fat.

He's admitted that he eats more when he is stressed and losing... So tonight, hes only going to eat a "F**ing Snack!"

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

It's Kielbasa time, Andy.Jesus I've never seen a man so fat.

He's admitted that he eats more when he is stressed and losing... So tonight, hes only going to eat a "F**ing Snack!"

Seeing Andy Reid makes me enjoy football less. Seriously. The guy is monstrous and has known family issues. With the pressure of his job, I have to wonder why he continues to do this to himself. He seems like a sad person who doesn't know any other way. I hope I'm way over-analyzing it, and he's doing great and content with his place in NFL history. But Reid looks like a guy who doesn't enjoy anything. You can insert a food joke there, but I don't think he does. lately I notice that he looks the same after a big win as he does a big loss. Not like a stoic leader-- like a guy who hates getting up every day. Great win for the team, though. McCoy played well even though he was hurt.