Game Thread W9 - San Diego V Houston (1 Viewer)

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Bullcarp a runningback can reach over the goalline and cross it, loss the ball during it and its call a TD. But u can't catch a ball with 2 feet down and 3 second later come down and the ball come out when your hand with the ball comes down and it an incomplete pass.. B.S. They need to change this crap..

Running plays can't be incomplete passes, so that's the difference. I think the rule could stand some revision, but the rule would be even worse if it ended the play and awarded a touchdown to any receiver who gets two hands on the ball in the end zone. JMHO.

Why? Do you have an aversion to consistency? There's not a single other situation in the NFL where a guy with possession of the football doesn't get the TD if he crosses the plane. It's a stupid rule. Get two feet down with control and you've caught the ball. End of story.

The reason the current rule is imperfect is that it doesn't fit with what everybody "just knows" to be a catch. It conflicts with our intuitions.An alternative rule that made a touchdown out of any play where a receiver had two feet down with the ball in his hands in the end zone would be at least as imperfect in that regard, IMO. There are a lot of plays that everybody "just knows" is an incomplete pass, which that alternative rule would consider at touchdown instead.

A rule that conforms to people's intuitions in all situations would be extremely difficult to draft. The current rule needs to be improved. But improving it will not be nearly as easy a job as many people think, IMO.

There will always be "close plays", but one of the biggest virtues of a rule is clarity, where it removes discretion. When in doubt about what a rule should say, go with clarity. This rule is overly concerned about the relatively few plays that, as you said, we "just know" don't look like a catch, and is built around those exceptions. It's asinine. Watching an NFL game anymore feels like watching oral argument before the Supreme Court. I can't think of another sport that requires that you know such an intricate and lengthy set of rules just to watch the average game. It's ridiculous.

 

[Buckna]

Ward checks in to give Foster a breather. Hou of course then sputters in the redzone and kicks a FG. ARGH

 

[ChargerPride]

Shaub is officially a waste this year!!!!!! Doesn't even get to throw the ball inside the 10....Wow

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Can you run the ball in and lose possesion and it is a TD?

Yes. A run can't be an incomplete pass. As soon as the ball crosses the plane in the hands of a runner, it's a touchdown. But in order for it to be a touchdown on a passing play, not only does the ball have to cross the plane, but it also has to be a complete pass. Regardless of where the play occurs on the field, if a player is in the act of falling when he catches the ball, it's an incomplete pass unless he maintains control of the ball all the way through his fall.

Thanks, I just have never really seen it before this year. So it is a judgement call as to when the play is actually over? For instance, a player catches the ball in the end zone and goes to celebrate with a teammate in the endzone and when running to his teammate knocks the ball against his leg and drops it...incomplete pass?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Great clock eating drive there, shame it was only a FG.

 

[Buckna]

Ryan Mathews still in the locker room to start the 2nd half, looking at right ankle. Sproles in for a pass, Tolbert in for a run.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

So it is a judgement call as to when the play is actually over? For instance, a player catches the ball in the end zone and goes to celebrate with a teammate in the endzone and when running to his teammate knocks the ball against his leg and drops it...incomplete pass?

Is he falling in the act of catching it? If so, he has to maintain control all the way through his fall. If his teammate knocked the ball out before he finishes his fall, then it's an incomplete pass.

 

[Buckna]

God the Hou secondary is terrible. Crayton with 54 yards after the catch just stiff arming DB's left and right.

 

[knickstorm]

you gave foster a play off, it's 3rd and 2, bring him freaking back kubiak...if not then throw it cause they'll be playing the run...forget derrick ward

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The Chargers gave up 135 rushing yards to the Chiefs in week one. That's the most they've given up so far this season.

The Texans have 135 rushing yards right now.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

That really was an Antonio Gates catch by McMichael.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Thank goodness this is a shootout because I guess it's only a matter of time before Andre Johnson gets his.

 

[Buckna]

McMichael great one handed catch for Rivers 3rd TD.

23-21. Hou is going to regret those FG's.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Philip Rivers could throw for 300 yards and multiple TDs with high school receivers.

Most underrated player in the NFL hands down.

 

[Buckna]

Argh, that's like the 5th or 6th time we've come out throwing on 1st down. Run Foster!!!!!!!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The Chargers are now selling out to stop the run, and it's opening things up in the secondary.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Mathews in street clothes on the sideline.

 

[Buckna]

LOL, just like the 1st quarter. Announcers: "Schaub hasn't hit the dirt yet today." 2 plays later, sacked!

 

[Buckna]

The Chargers are now selling out to stop the run, and it's opening things up in the secondary.

Think you're right. Bottling him up this series.

 

[belljr]

:cmonsprolesgivemesomething:

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Texans could've used Leroy Hoard there.

 

[Buckna]

Hou goes for it on 4th and 1 on the 17th and Foster is brought down short. Huge play for the Chargers.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Hou goes for it one 4th and 1 on the 17th and Foster is brought down short. Huge play for the Chargers.

In this game, that's a 14-point swing.

 

[Buckna]

Schaub to the locker room with a rib injury from when he was sacked on the last series.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

BOOM!

 

[FUBAR]

Thank goodness this is a shootout because I guess it's only a matter of time before Andre Johnson gets his.

:tapsfoot:

 

[Buckna]

Schaub to the locker room with a rib injury from when he was sacked on the last series.

Schaub back on the sideline. Probably got tapped up or extra padding. Was definitely holding his left side after that sack.

 

[Buckna]

Rivers overthrew Crayton deap by about 4 yards. Had he hit Crayton that would have been a TD.

SD takes a delay of game on 3rd down.

 

[Buckna]

Rivers throws deep under pressure and INT!!!!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

So is hitting a quarterback low a freaking penalty or not? Because he clearly hit him low there, there's no question about it, and the ref was looking right at it.

So what's the deal with these weird roughing the passer penalties? Is it just if the ref feels like calling it or not?

 

[krugoh]

Is Mathews' ankle the same ankle? Reaggravated?

 

[Buckna]

HOU right tackle beaten, Schaub stripped on 3rd down but Hou recovered. Hou punts.

 

[nittanylion]

Paging Kevin Walter to the white courtesy phone...

To anyone watching live: has he even been on the field today?

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

So is hitting a quarterback low a freaking penalty or not? Because he clearly hit him low there, there's no question about it, and the ref was looking right at it.So what's the deal with these weird roughing the passer penalties? Is it just if the ref feels like calling it or not?

They'll catch it on video and fine him later in the week. That's the same thing, right?

 

[Romofan]

Thank goodness this is a shootout because I guess it's only a matter of time before Andre Johnson gets his.

I missed part of the game....is he getting triple teamed or something??? 29 freakin yeards??

 

[CalBear]

Latest entry in the "Norv Turner Is An Idiot" sweepstakes; accepting an offsides penalty after a 9-yard gain, to make it first and 5 instead of second and one--and then running Tolbert into the line on first and 5.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't understand why that was a penalty. Ajirotutu was on the line. So what? You have to have at least seven on the line. It's okay to have more than seven. And since it was a running play, it shouldn't matter that the TE was made ineligible.

Must be an NFL thing. That wouldn't be a penalty in college.

 

[Buckna]

Paging Kevin Walter to the white courtesy phone... To anyone watching live: has he even been on the field today?

He's had 2 deep passes his way. First was called for Def PI, the other Schaub over threw him.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Does Houston realize that you can have guys called "defensive backs" in their lineup?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Norv Turner has coached a brilliant game (other than failing to use his timeouts at the end of the first half).

 

[flc735]

dont sayi my name, dont sayi my name, ajirotutuuuuu

 

[tommyGunZ]

Norv Turner is an offensive genius. BRILLIANT set up and play call on that TD.

ETA: MT quicker to the punch

 

[Buckna]

Arjiratutu open deep, AGAIN. TD, San Diego lead.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Norv Turner has coached called a brilliant offensive game (other than failing to use his timeouts at the end of the first half).

As we've seen, it's not difficult for your offense to look good against this defense, but I'll give Norv credit here.There's more to being a good head coach than just calling a good offense, and Norv's team still makes stupid penalties and doesn't look sqared away. The fact that they're having these special teams issues for this extended period of time is ridiculous. I can't think of another good coach who would have allowed it.

 

[John Bender]

Serious question....why go for 2 right there?

 

[Buckna]

Serious question....why go for 2 right there?

My guess is you have no faith in your defense so you need as many points as possibe. I don't understand why he accepted the penalty to make it 1st & 5 instead of 2nd and 1 either.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Serious question....why go for 2 right there?

The difference between a six-point lead and a five-point lead is a lot bigger than the difference between a five-point lead and a four-point lead.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Norv Turner has coached called a brilliant offensive game (other than failing to use his timeouts at the end of the first half).

As we've seen, it's not difficult for your offense to look good against this defense, but I'll give Norv credit here.There's more to being a good head coach than just calling a good offense, and Norv's team still makes stupid penalties and doesn't look sqared away. The fact that they're having these special teams issues for this extended period of time is ridiculous. I can't think of another good coach who would have allowed it.

The special teams mistakes are the result of bad coaching during the week of practice, not bad coaching during the game.But I was just referring to the offensive playcalling.

 

[CalBear]

Terrible call on that intentional grounding on Schaub.

 

[Buckna]

Schaub called for a BS intentional grounding.