Confirmed that he is meeting them.Can anybody confirm?
given the state of the ravens, he had better be more than just effective with quality players because the ravens have very few talented players at this point.Can someone explain Garrett's success to me? I'm having a hard time believing a big part of his success wasn't just talented players.
Cam Cameron part 2.Can someone explain Garrett's success to me? I'm having a hard time believing a big part of his success wasn't just talented players.
Sean Payton part 2.Cam Cameron part 2.Can someone explain Garrett's success to me? I'm having a hard time believing a big part of his success wasn't just talented players.
Brian Billick part 2?Sean Payton part 2.Cam Cameron part 2.Can someone explain Garrett's success to me? I'm having a hard time believing a big part of his success wasn't just talented players.
1) That could be said for ANY head coach...Bill Belichick wouldn't be Belichick without Tom Brady; and where would Bill Walsh be without the bevy of Hall of Famers he had during his run?2) As we've seen countless times, it's all but impossible to extrapolate the achievements of an assistant coaches team with whether he is suited to be an NFL head coach. Jon Gruden had middling success in Philadelphia, nothing indicated he would be a wunderkind. Andy Reid had never been a coordinator before getting the Philly gig, and proved more than worthy. Sean Payton had his play-calling duties taken away from him not once, but twice as an OC on different teams yet seems to be a good fit in New Orleans. 3) Being a successful head coach requires vastly different skills than being a good coordinator. Head coaches need to be able to manage every facet of a team's preparation, need to know how to delegate, need to have an honest ability to assess their own staff and make sure they are optimizing their and their players' abilities. In-game clock management. The media (now a more important skill than ever in today's hyper-time internet-driven world). 4) Garrett has been a "head coach in training" for years. I recall an article about Garrett when he was backing up Aikman in Dallas; and how he would someday be an NFL head coach. Aikman said Garrett was the smartest teammate he ever played with, and that Garrett knew every play inside and out, and was like a 2nd QB coach for him as the years progressed. Beyond that Garrett went out and got exposure to multiple NFL offenses so he could get a sense for which things to pull into his own arsenal. Then, tellingly, Jerry Jones hired Garrett BEFORE they hired Phillips and told Phillips and all other HC candidates that Garrett was "the guy." 5) In his one season calling plays, the Cowboys were the 4th best offense and basically a juggernaut (and balanced) until a late season swoon brought on as much by apathy after locking up the division as anything.The question I would be asking is, why SHOULDN'T Garrett be the guy? He's young, smart, well spoken, actually played the game [i.e., respect of the players] and has received praise from his peers and subordinates at every stage of his playing/coaching career.Can someone explain Garrett's success to me? I'm having a hard time believing a big part of his success wasn't just talented players.
Great post. Thanks.1) That could be said for ANY head coach...Bill Belichick wouldn't be Belichick without Tom Brady; and where would Bill Walsh be without the bevy of Hall of Famers he had during his run?2) As we've seen countless times, it's all but impossible to extrapolate the achievements of an assistant coaches team with whether he is suited to be an NFL head coach. Jon Gruden had middling success in Philadelphia, nothing indicated he would be a wunderkind. Andy Reid had never been a coordinator before getting the Philly gig, and proved more than worthy. Sean Payton had his play-calling duties taken away from him not once, but twice as an OC on different teams yet seems to be a good fit in New Orleans. 3) Being a successful head coach requires vastly different skills than being a good coordinator. Head coaches need to be able to manage every facet of a team's preparation, need to know how to delegate, need to have an honest ability to assess their own staff and make sure they are optimizing their and their players' abilities. In-game clock management. The media (now a more important skill than ever in today's hyper-time internet-driven world). 4) Garrett has been a "head coach in training" for years. I recall an article about Garrett when he was backing up Aikman in Dallas; and how he would someday be an NFL head coach. Aikman said Garrett was the smartest teammate he ever played with, and that Garrett knew every play inside and out, and was like a 2nd QB coach for him as the years progressed. Beyond that Garrett went out and got exposure to multiple NFL offenses so he could get a sense for which things to pull into his own arsenal. Then, tellingly, Jerry Jones hired Garrett BEFORE they hired Phillips and told Phillips and all other HC candidates that Garrett was "the guy." 5) In his one season calling plays, the Cowboys were the 4th best offense and basically a juggernaut (and balanced) until a late season swoon brought on as much by apathy after locking up the division as anything.The question I would be asking is, why SHOULDN'T Garrett be the guy? He's young, smart, well spoken, actually played the game [i.e., respect of the players] and has received praise from his peers and subordinates at every stage of his playing/coaching career.Can someone explain Garrett's success to me? I'm having a hard time believing a big part of his success wasn't just talented players.
NE is a cult. You see what happens when one of theirs leaves (Mangini). Dallas is going to go through what SD went through last year. Happens all the time to good teams.wow - I never thought Jerry Jones would let Garrett leave.The Dallas coaching staff/front office is going through a major raid.How is that New England keeps all their guys but Dallas is losing guys left and right?
Crennel and Weis left during their SB title runs.wow - I never thought Jerry Jones would let Garrett leave.
The Dallas coaching staff/front office is going through a major raid.
How is that New England keeps all their guys but Dallas is losing guys left and right?
Ah yes - thanks - forgot about those dudes.Crennel and Weis left during their SB title runs.wow - I never thought Jerry Jones would let Garrett leave.
The Dallas coaching staff/front office is going through a major raid.
How is that New England keeps all their guys but Dallas is losing guys left and right?
#1...Teams don't have to let assistants under contract interview for anything other than head coaching positions. #2...New England has been poached more than most programs in recent memory*** Weis to Notre Dame*** Crennel to Cleveland*** Mangini to New York*** Davidson to Cleveland and now Carolina#3...Pees is 59 years old and has very little NFL experience, so he's not going to be a highly sought after NFL head coach in most cases. Josh McDaniels, on the other hand, would've been a candidate for most if not all of this year's openings, had he not publicly come out and said he wasn't going to interview for jobs this year.ooofffaaa said:wow - I never thought Jerry Jones would let Garrett leave.The Dallas coaching staff/front office is going through a major raid.How is that New England keeps all their guys but Dallas is losing guys left and right?
Of course that can be said. But, for whatever reason, those guys already are, or were, HCs and succeeded. My question is about someone who has yet to be a HC.Jason Wood said:1) That could be said for ANY head coach...Bill Belichick wouldn't be Belichick without Tom Brady; and where would Bill Walsh be without the bevy of Hall of Famers he had during his run?dgreen said:Can someone explain Garrett's success to me? I'm having a hard time believing a big part of his success wasn't just talented players.
I agree. That's why they do interviews rather than just give out jobs to the top offense or defense each year. Regardless, Garrett has received a lot of praise for what the Cowboys' offense did this year and I'm wondering what kind of impact he really had.2) As we've seen countless times, it's all but impossible to extrapolate the achievements of an assistant coaches team with whether he is suited to be an NFL head coach. Jon Gruden had middling success in Philadelphia, nothing indicated he would be a wunderkind. Andy Reid had never been a coordinator before getting the Philly gig, and proved more than worthy. Sean Payton had his play-calling duties taken away from him not once, but twice as an OC on different teams yet seems to be a good fit in New Orleans.
Again, I agree. Garrett just seems to get a lot of praise from people who probably have no idea if he'll be good at this stuff. A lot of people do just look at the Cowboys' offense this year and say, "Garrett sure would make a good HC. Look at his offense!"3) Being a successful head coach requires vastly different skills than being a good coordinator. Head coaches need to be able to manage every facet of a team's preparation, need to know how to delegate, need to have an honest ability to assess their own staff and make sure they are optimizing their and their players' abilities. In-game clock management. The media (now a more important skill than ever in today's hyper-time internet-driven world).
Thanks. I didn't realize his training went so far back. I agree Jones hiring him as OC before hiring a HC is telling. But, if Jones likes him so much, why not dump Wade and promote Garrett? Why let him get away?4) Garrett has been a "head coach in training" for years. I recall an article about Garrett when he was backing up Aikman in Dallas; and how he would someday be an NFL head coach. Aikman said Garrett was the smartest teammate he ever played with, and that Garrett knew every play inside and out, and was like a 2nd QB coach for him as the years progressed. Beyond that Garrett went out and got exposure to multiple NFL offenses so he could get a sense for which things to pull into his own arsenal. Then, tellingly, Jerry Jones hired Garrett BEFORE they hired Phillips and told Phillips and all other HC candidates that Garrett was "the guy."
What's his role in that apathy? He'll encounter apathy as a HC. How did he deal with it as an OC?5) In his one season calling plays, the Cowboys were the 4th best offense and basically a juggernaut (and balanced) until a late season swoon brought on as much by apathy after locking up the division as anything.
I'm certainly not saying he shouldn't be the guy. He may very well be the best candidate and ready to take over a team. It just seems to me that last year people were talking about him being a coach "one day" and after a good offensive year on a team full of offensive talent, he's all of sudden the obvious choice?Like I said, I'm mostly just asking questions. I won't say he came out of nowhere, as you have clearly shown, but he certainly seems to have climbed the ladder faster based on one explosive season. I think it could be a mistake to elevate him so quickly.The question I would be asking is, why SHOULDN'T Garrett be the guy? He's young, smart, well spoken, actually played the game [i.e., respect of the players] and has received praise from his peers and subordinates at every stage of his playing/coaching career.
I think the factor that mattered most in Witten's increase in production had to do with Terry Glenn being on the bench.I like Witten as much as the next guy but I think Glenn being out had more to do with it than Garrett calling the plays.Wow, now this would be interesting. I wonder if that would hurt Witten as I feel Garrett was a major factor in the year Witten had............
I dont see it happening to Green Bay, Giants or Colts?Banger said:NE is a cult. You see what happens when one of theirs leaves (Mangini). Dallas is going to go through what SD went through last year. Happens all the time to good teams.ooofffaaa said:wow - I never thought Jerry Jones would let Garrett leave.The Dallas coaching staff/front office is going through a major raid.How is that New England keeps all their guys but Dallas is losing guys left and right?
They interviewed Jim Caldwell.Have the Ravens complied with the Rooney rule yet?
I don't know... I think Glenn being out definitely helped Witten, but in the preseason I recall the announcers during one of the Cowboys preseason games saying that the tight ends in Garrett's offense were going to get a lot of action. That comment wasn't predicated on a WR being out.I think the factor that mattered most in Witten's increase in production had to do with Terry Glenn being on the bench.I like Witten as much as the next guy but I think Glenn being out had more to do with it than Garrett calling the plays.Wow, now this would be interesting. I wonder if that would hurt Witten as I feel Garrett was a major factor in the year Witten had............
Interesting twist, could Jerry talk him back to Dallas?Also, I've had similar thoughts about whether or not Garrett was ready for an HC position once he was a candidate for Atlanta. Interesting read on his experience behind Aikman.According to a Cowboys source, Dallas owner Jerry Jones has communicated to Garrett without knowing exactly what the Ravens' financial offer might be that he would match it if Garrett rejects the Ravens' offer.
Jones has said he would compete for Garrett, not only because he has helped transform Tony Romo into one of the league's best young quarterbacks, but because the Cowboys owner views Garrett as potentially being his next head coach.
Not in this thread, but certainly elsewhere it's been pointed out that Jones is the fly in the ointment here. I mentioned it last night on the blog:Ravens zero in on Jason GarrettI haven't seen anybody mention this blurb from the article:
Interesting twist, could Jerry talk him back to Dallas?Also, I've had similar thoughts about whether or not Garrett was ready for an HC position once he was a candidate for Atlanta. Interesting read on his experience behind Aikman.According to a Cowboys source, Dallas owner Jerry Jones has communicated to Garrett without knowing exactly what the Ravens' financial offer might be that he would match it if Garrett rejects the Ravens' offer.
Jones has said he would compete for Garrett, not only because he has helped transform Tony Romo into one of the league's best young quarterbacks, but because the Cowboys owner views Garrett as potentially being his next head coach.
Jerry will do everything in his power to keep Red. I honestly will be surprised if he walks. The Cowboys HC job has to be his dream job.EDIT: Never mind...I just found out his wife made the trip to Baltimore. It's gonna happen.Not in this thread, but certainly elsewhere it's been pointed out that Jones is the fly in the ointment here. I mentioned it last night on the blog:Ravens zero in on Jason GarrettI haven't seen anybody mention this blurb from the article:
Interesting twist, could Jerry talk him back to Dallas?Also, I've had similar thoughts about whether or not Garrett was ready for an HC position once he was a candidate for Atlanta. Interesting read on his experience behind Aikman.According to a Cowboys source, Dallas owner Jerry Jones has communicated to Garrett without knowing exactly what the Ravens' financial offer might be that he would match it if Garrett rejects the Ravens' offer.
Jones has said he would compete for Garrett, not only because he has helped transform Tony Romo into one of the league's best young quarterbacks, but because the Cowboys owner views Garrett as potentially being his next head coach.
Timing is a real issue though...Jones would realistically have to convince Garrett to leave Baltimore without a contract, then convince him not to go to Atlanta for a 2nd interview, and then convince him to come back to Dallas and wait while he fires Wade and gives him the job. He will also be looking at a Dallas situation where his offensive counterpart, Tony Sparano is going to be heading to Miami and probably taking his fair share of Dallas assistants. I'm not sure the Dallas job is any better than the bird in hand, i.e., the Baltimore job.Jerry will do everything in his power to keep Red. I honestly will be surprised if he walks. The Cowboys HC job has to be his dream job.Not in this thread, but certainly elsewhere it's been pointed out that Jones is the fly in the ointment here. I mentioned it last night on the blog:Ravens zero in on Jason GarrettI haven't seen anybody mention this blurb from the article:
Interesting twist, could Jerry talk him back to Dallas?Also, I've had similar thoughts about whether or not Garrett was ready for an HC position once he was a candidate for Atlanta. Interesting read on his experience behind Aikman.According to a Cowboys source, Dallas owner Jerry Jones has communicated to Garrett without knowing exactly what the Ravens' financial offer might be that he would match it if Garrett rejects the Ravens' offer.
Jones has said he would compete for Garrett, not only because he has helped transform Tony Romo into one of the league's best young quarterbacks, but because the Cowboys owner views Garrett as potentially being his next head coach.
You don't want him to be the Ravens coach?EDIT: Never mind...I just found out his wife made the trip to Baltimore. It's gonna happen.![]()
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Harbaugh doesn't need Philly's permission, does he? Wouldn't he be receiving a promotion if offered the defensive coordinator position?Two other points, which I hadn't realized until reading up on Garrett...
1) His father was a long-time football coach and scout for the Cowboys
2) Two of Garrett's brothers, John (Dallas) and Judd (St. Louis) are TE coaches in the NFL currently
My buddy down in Baltimore is telling me...
*** Garrett as HC is being hammered out right now
*** John Harbaugh will be offered DC job [whether Philly lets him leave is unknown at this time]
*** OC to be determined, although ownership wants to talk to Cam Cameron
That is correct. I would have to think that Ryan would be a major candidate for the Atlanta job if Garrett is hired.Harbaugh doesn't need Philly's permission, does he? Wouldn't he be receiving a promotion if offered the defensive coordinator position?Two other points, which I hadn't realized until reading up on Garrett...
1) His father was a long-time football coach and scout for the Cowboys
2) Two of Garrett's brothers, John (Dallas) and Judd (St. Louis) are TE coaches in the NFL currently
My buddy down in Baltimore is telling me...
*** Garrett as HC is being hammered out right now
*** John Harbaugh will be offered DC job [whether Philly lets him leave is unknown at this time]
*** OC to be determined, although ownership wants to talk to Cam Cameron
Nobody in Packer land thought McCarthy would be worth a damn either. Gotta give the guy a chance.Great post. Thanks.Jason Wood said:1) That could be said for ANY head coach...Bill Belichick wouldn't be Belichick without Tom Brady; and where would Bill Walsh be without the bevy of Hall of Famers he had during his run?2) As we've seen countless times, it's all but impossible to extrapolate the achievements of an assistant coaches team with whether he is suited to be an NFL head coach. Jon Gruden had middling success in Philadelphia, nothing indicated he would be a wunderkind. Andy Reid had never been a coordinator before getting the Philly gig, and proved more than worthy. Sean Payton had his play-calling duties taken away from him not once, but twice as an OC on different teams yet seems to be a good fit in New Orleans. 3) Being a successful head coach requires vastly different skills than being a good coordinator. Head coaches need to be able to manage every facet of a team's preparation, need to know how to delegate, need to have an honest ability to assess their own staff and make sure they are optimizing their and their players' abilities. In-game clock management. The media (now a more important skill than ever in today's hyper-time internet-driven world). 4) Garrett has been a "head coach in training" for years. I recall an article about Garrett when he was backing up Aikman in Dallas; and how he would someday be an NFL head coach. Aikman said Garrett was the smartest teammate he ever played with, and that Garrett knew every play inside and out, and was like a 2nd QB coach for him as the years progressed. Beyond that Garrett went out and got exposure to multiple NFL offenses so he could get a sense for which things to pull into his own arsenal. Then, tellingly, Jerry Jones hired Garrett BEFORE they hired Phillips and told Phillips and all other HC candidates that Garrett was "the guy." 5) In his one season calling plays, the Cowboys were the 4th best offense and basically a juggernaut (and balanced) until a late season swoon brought on as much by apathy after locking up the division as anything.The question I would be asking is, why SHOULDN'T Garrett be the guy? He's young, smart, well spoken, actually played the game [i.e., respect of the players] and has received praise from his peers and subordinates at every stage of his playing/coaching career.dgreen said:Can someone explain Garrett's success to me? I'm having a hard time believing a big part of his success wasn't just talented players.
I tihnk he's a Cowboys fan and would prefer they not lose Garrett.BTW, I think the Cameron hiring would be great, as Cam had a very bad HC experience and could provide good insight to Garrett.You don't want him to be the Ravens coach?EDIT: Never mind...I just found out his wife made the trip to Baltimore. It's gonna happen.![]()
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I tihnk he's a Cowboys fan and would prefer they not lose Garrett.BTW, I think the Cameron hiring would be great, as Cam had a very bad HC experience and could provide good insight to Garrett.You don't want him to be the Ravens coach?EDIT: Never mind...I just found out his wife made the trip to Baltimore. It's gonna happen.![]()
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Doesn't mean he will stay.I tihnk he's a Cowboys fan and would prefer they not lose Garrett.BTW, I think the Cameron hiring would be great, as Cam had a very bad HC experience and could provide good insight to Garrett.You don't want him to be the Ravens coach?EDIT: Never mind...I just found out his wife made the trip to Baltimore. It's gonna happen.![]()
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Oh and FYI......Jerry went on record as saying he would match the salary offer for Red to stay.
When Brian Billick was hired in '99 the Ravens kept him from flying off to Cleveland where he had interviews scheduled. If Garrett is their choice they don't let him leave for Atlanta if they can avoid it.John Clayton just came on ESPN News and stated the Ravens are trying to keep Garrett in Baltimore and not let him have comunication with outside sources. Sounds like they dont want Jerry Jones to get his hands on Garrett to keep him.I dont think Garrett should jump to the Ravens, he can wait for Wade to move on and have a better talent to coach.
No kidding. Thanks for that pearl.Doesn't mean he will stay.I tihnk he's a Cowboys fan and would prefer they not lose Garrett.BTW, I think the Cameron hiring would be great, as Cam had a very bad HC experience and could provide good insight to Garrett.You don't want him to be the Ravens coach?EDIT: Never mind...I just found out his wife made the trip to Baltimore. It's gonna happen.![]()
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Oh and FYI......Jerry went on record as saying he would match the salary offer for Red to stay.
IMO, if Jones wants to keep Garrett and Garrett has the opportunity to be HC _now_ ... then Wade has to be gone now for Garrett to stay in DAL.John Clayton just came on ESPN News and stated the Ravens are trying to keep Garrett in Baltimore and not let him have comunication with outside sources. Sounds like they dont want Jerry Jones to get his hands on Garrett to keep him.I dont think Garrett should jump to the Ravens, he can wait for Wade to move on and have a better talent to coach.
The Ravens are not a bad place to be. For one, they have some talent on the team - they just don't have a QB (ok, its a big just, but still). Defense is still very solid with some key playmakers. Good RB, an ok receiving corps... and team management/scouting that has done better more often than not in the past plus ownership has demonstrated its willingness to do what is necessary to put a winner on the field while also demonstrated (perhaps too much) patience and loyalty with the HC.Add to that realistic expectations for the next couple of seasons (unlike Dallas where the expectations and pressure are that much more intense) and the fact that Baltimore is a great, great football town, I don't see why the job would not be an attractive one.John Clayton just came on ESPN News and stated the Ravens are trying to keep Garrett in Baltimore and not let him have comunication with outside sources. Sounds like they dont want Jerry Jones to get his hands on Garrett to keep him.I dont think Garrett should jump to the Ravens, he can wait for Wade to move on and have a better talent to coach.
Jerry on KTCK this morning.......There will not be a change at HC. We're just not going to do that this year. We don't need to do that. As the season when on I saw our players buy in more to what Wade wants this defense to be. We did change our system both on offense and defense. I thought the change on offense worked and we played better defense. I expect us to be better next year as our players learn the system more.IMO, if Jones wants to keep Garrett and Garrett has the opportunity to be HC _now_ ... then Wade has to be gone now for Garrett to stay in DAL.John Clayton just came on ESPN News and stated the Ravens are trying to keep Garrett in Baltimore and not let him have comunication with outside sources. Sounds like they dont want Jerry Jones to get his hands on Garrett to keep him.I dont think Garrett should jump to the Ravens, he can wait for Wade to move on and have a better talent to coach.
Well then, Garrett will not be on the Boys coaching staff this coming season.Jerry on KTCK this morning.......There will not be a change at HC. We're just not going to do that this year. We don't need to do that. As the season when on I saw our players buy in more to what Wade wants this defense to be. We did change our system both on offense and defense. I thought the change on offense worked and we played better defense. I expect us to be better next year as our players learn the system more.IMO, if Jones wants to keep Garrett and Garrett has the opportunity to be HC _now_ ... then Wade has to be gone now for Garrett to stay in DAL.John Clayton just came on ESPN News and stated the Ravens are trying to keep Garrett in Baltimore and not let him have comunication with outside sources. Sounds like they dont want Jerry Jones to get his hands on Garrett to keep him.I dont think Garrett should jump to the Ravens, he can wait for Wade to move on and have a better talent to coach.