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Getting the Bears back to the Super Bowl (1 Viewer)

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1) Let Ron Rivera go – If Dallas wants him, take him. Bring in a D-Coordinator that can run the Cover 2, but also can throw a blitz in there. I realize that this may be Lovie calling the shots, but I think that he should have learned that you need to blitz and rush the passer if your defensive line has proven to be inadequate.

2) Open competition at QB – Rex had a solid season, but he comes with some many questions. I say let training camp start and let the QBs go at it. If Rex is really the better QB, let him prove it. I do not like the idea of bringing in a QB (I have heard Garcia) I think that Greise can do the job if Rex can not

3) Draft O-Lineman in 1st Round – Our line is not getting younger and a road grader guard would be a nice addition to the team

4) Franchise Briggs – No brainer, right, but the Bears do not like to use the tag. Now is the time. (PS don’t forget to check the box Angelo)

5) Trade T.Jones only for the right deal – If a team offers a 3rd round pick, take it and don’t look back. If not keep him, do not re-structure his deal and employ the RBBC approach.

If I had to say one more....think of some ways to get the ball in Hester's hands on offense. I mean the guy averaged a TD every 11th touch (7 TDs in 80 returns)

What you got?

 
6. Play against a creampuff schedule again.
I just looked at their 2007 schedule and it isn't pretty. Aside from their divisional games they have:Home

Cowboys

Giants

Saints

Broncos

Chiefs

Away

Eagles

Redskins

Seahawks

Chargers

Oof.

 
Number 1 should be make the playoffs.

Unforunately for Bear fans, they forget this important fact. They still have 16 games to play next season before the playoffs even begin.

Not sure which team it will be, but one of the NFC North teams will step it up next season and give the Bears a run at the division title. Most likely Green Bay or Minnesota.

 
As long as Tommie Harris is healthy, the NFC North is in the bag...who knows what will happen in the playoffs, but with the Bears D line in place, they can beat anyone.

Draft a project tackle early, as well as Briggs' replacement, and all is well.

 
CapnJB said:
Sabertooth said:
6. Play against a creampuff schedule again.
I just looked at their 2007 schedule and it isn't pretty. Aside from their divisional games they have:Home

Cowboys

Giants

Saints

Broncos

Chiefs

Away

Eagles

Redskins

Seahawks

Chargers

Oof.
This schedule is pretty tough, but don't all the teams in the NFC North have it too? Chi is simply a different team with Harris healthy on the Dline. Let's also not forget that Brown was out too. I really don't see any way this team does not make it back to the playoffs if the core stays healthy. The NFC just isn't the same ballpark as the AFC.
 
History has not been very kind to Superbowl losing teams the year immediately following their Superbowl appearance. That being said next year's schedule doesn't worry me... IF the Bears bring back the team relatively intact (I'ld like the Bears to keep Lance Briggs and Thomas Jones) AND if they can keep their pro-bowl caliber players healthy and on the field (which unfortunately isn't a given in the NFL and really decimated the defense in 2006).

Offensively I think the last 1/2 of the season and the playoff run demonstrated that the two-headed backfield of TJ and Cedric Benson can be very effective, and should only continue to get better IMHO. Also, the Bears WRs and TEs are good enough to make opposing Ds pay on play-action. I'm also really looking forward to watching Bernard Berrian's continued development.

Defensively, IF Urlacher, Briggs, Tommie Harris, Mike Brown, and Nate Vasher stay healthy, THEN the Bears will win a MINIMUM OF 11 GAMES - MARK IT DOWN.

I also agree with most of the OP's sentiments - particularly to start adding depth and finding replacements for an aging offensive line. Just have to agree to disagree about TJ, but otherwise :goodposting:

 
Angelo will his drafts (aside from #1s) are pretty terrific. They add depth and skill. Hester helped make this an elite team. Nice pick.

 
As long as Tommie Harris is healthy, the NFC North is in the bag...who knows what will happen in the playoffs, but with the Bears D line in place, they can beat anyone.

Draft a project tackle early, as well as Briggs' replacement, and all is well.
I don't know whether to :lmao: or :confused: .You are saying that as long as they have Tommie Harris, even if Urlacher, Hillenmeyer, Ogunleye, Muhammed, Berrian, Hester, Jones, and Benson are on IR, they have it in the bag. :lmao:

 
As long as Tommie Harris is healthy, the NFC North is in the bag...who knows what will happen in the playoffs, but with the Bears D line in place, they can beat anyone.

Draft a project tackle early, as well as Briggs' replacement, and all is well.
I don't know whether to :lmao: or :D .You are saying that as long as they have Tommie Harris, even if Urlacher, Hillenmeyer, Ogunleye, Muhammed, Berrian, Hester, Jones, and Benson are on IR, they have it in the bag. :lmao:
Yeah, that's obviously what he meant. Good catch.
 
What did he mean then? That if the whole team stays healthy they have the NFC North in the can?

What if Green Bay acquired Lance Briggs, Randy Moss, Donte Stallworth, Terrell Owens, Nate Clements, and Pat Washington?

I know he meant they will win it again if all things remained constant and they got Harris back, but that's just not going to happen.

 
As long as Tommie Harris is healthy, the NFC North is in the bag...who knows what will happen in the playoffs, but with the Bears D line in place, they can beat anyone.

Draft a project tackle early, as well as Briggs' replacement, and all is well.
I don't know whether to :lmao: or :goodposting: .You are saying that as long as they have Tommie Harris, even if Urlacher, Hillenmeyer, Ogunleye, Muhammed, Berrian, Hester, Jones, and Benson are on IR, they have it in the bag. :homer:
:coffee: did you really just try to fish in the same thread twice? You are dumber than the fish!!! :D

 
CapnJB said:
Sabertooth said:
6. Play against a creampuff schedule again.
I just looked at their 2007 schedule and it isn't pretty. Aside from their divisional games they have:Home

Cowboys

Giants

Saints

Broncos

Chiefs

Away

Eagles

Redskins

Seahawks

Chargers

Oof.
This schedule is pretty tough, but don't all the teams in the NFC North have it too? Chi is simply a different team with Harris healthy on the Dline. Let's also not forget that Brown was out too. I really don't see any way this team does not make it back to the playoffs if the core stays healthy. The NFC just isn't the same ballpark as the AFC.
All except NO and SEA ... those are for finishing 1st. GB will get CAR and STL; MIN will get ATL and SF; DET will get TB and AZ.
 
They should win their division next year, but quite possible may be a 9-7, 10-6 team at best.
Assuming they go 5-1 in the division again next year, what do you think they will do against the other 10 teams listed? I could seriously see them going 2-8 or 3-7.
 
CapnJB said:
Sabertooth said:
6. Play against a creampuff schedule again.
I just looked at their 2007 schedule and it isn't pretty. Aside from their divisional games they have:Home

Cowboys

Giants

Saints

Broncos

Chiefs

Away

Eagles

Redskins

Seahawks

Chargers

Oof.
Aren't you missing a game? 6 divisional games leaves 10 non-divisional games.
 
CapnJB said:
Sabertooth said:
6. Play against a creampuff schedule again.
I just looked at their 2007 schedule and it isn't pretty. Aside from their divisional games they have:Home

Cowboys

Giants

Saints

Broncos

Chiefs

Away

Eagles

Redskins

Seahawks

Chargers

Oof.
Aren't you missing a game? 6 divisional games leaves 10 non-divisional games.
Oakland is the team that is missing.
 
CapnJB said:
Sabertooth said:
6. Play against a creampuff schedule again.
I just looked at their 2007 schedule and it isn't pretty. Aside from their divisional games they have:Home

Cowboys

Giants

Saints

Broncos

Chiefs

Away

Eagles

Redskins

Seahawks

Chargers

Oof.
Aren't you missing a game? 6 divisional games leaves 10 non-divisional games.
Oakland is the team that is missing.
That's funny for so many reasons.
 
1- get a new QB. period
:own3d: I can't believe people are still defending Grossman, it's frankly pathetic. He's obviously not cut out for it.

Put a guy like Jeff Garcia on the squad and you're looking at a strong favorite to win it all.
I'm a HUGE Bears fan, but I'm not a Rex 'believer' myself, and I realize that he probably cost the Bears a chance to win the Superbowl, but he wasn't the ONLY reason the Bears lost. Also I can't take anything away from the Colts who showed that they were the better all around TEAM and beat the Bears up and down the field, and probably could have won by a larger margin.Rex certainly has some physical limitations (short & slow comes to mind), and his inexperience showed (mental mistakes and poor mechanics/decisions) at some critical times this season, including three turnovers this past Sunday.

However, in watching him all season long I can tell you that he does possess a 'big time' arm, and that when he screws his head on straight, loses the 'happy feet' in the pocket, and executes proper mechanics (meaning that he steps into his throws rather than trying to 'wing one' off his back foot), he turns into the QB who was NFC offensive player of the month in Sept. and who achieved a QB rating over 100 in 7 regular season games this year (surpassed only by Marc Bulger's 8 games over 100 QB rating).

If you were to look at highlights of all Rex's INTs this season I would guess that about 90% of the time his interceptions came when he failed to step into a throw and decided to rely upon his arm strength to get the ball on target. Unfortunately for Rex the closing speed of NFL cornerbacks won't allow him to get away with lobbing a pass to an intended receiver. Rex may have been able to get away with throwing a few footballs up for grabs in college, but at the NFL level he needs to play within himself use good mechanics and step up into the pocket consistently otherwise THROW THE BALL AWAY.

If he can mature I think he can have a Joe Theisman type career which I would love to see happen.

 
As long as Tommie Harris is healthy, the NFC North is in the bag...who knows what will happen in the playoffs, but with the Bears D line in place, they can beat anyone.

Draft a project tackle early, as well as Briggs' replacement, and all is well.
I don't know whether to :lmao: or :confused: .You are saying that as long as they have Tommie Harris, even if Urlacher, Hillenmeyer, Ogunleye, Muhammed, Berrian, Hester, Jones, and Benson are on IR, they have it in the bag. :nerd:
:shrug: did you really just try to fish in the same thread twice? You are dumber than the fish!!! :nerd:
School cancelled today?
 
CapnJB said:
Sabertooth said:
6. Play against a creampuff schedule again.
I just looked at their 2007 schedule and it isn't pretty. Aside from their divisional games they have:Home

Cowboys

Giants

Saints

Broncos

Chiefs

Away

Eagles

Redskins

Seahawks

Chargers

Oof.
From a Fantasy perspective, the D/ST should be STRONG again. Just look at the QBs they'll face. 10 games are vs. young QBs (Eli, Jackson? 2x, Cutler, Romo, Campbell, Raiders?) or vets who've are usually good for turnovers (Favre, Kitna, Hasselbeck, Raiders?) Might not be creampuff, but for a team that feasts on turnovers I'd like to have them on my team.
 
1) Let Ron Rivera go – If Dallas wants him, take him. Bring in a D-Coordinator that can run the Cover 2, but also can throw a blitz in there. I realize that this may be Lovie calling the shots, but I think that he should have learned that you need to blitz and rush the passer if your defensive line has proven to be inadequate.

2) Open competition at QB – Rex had a solid season, but he comes with some many questions. I say let training camp start and let the QBs go at it. If Rex is really the better QB, let him prove it. I do not like the idea of bringing in a QB (I have heard Garcia) I think that Greise can do the job if Rex can not

3) Draft O-Lineman in 1st Round – Our line is not getting younger and a road grader guard would be a nice addition to the team

4) Franchise Briggs – No brainer, right, but the Bears do not like to use the tag. Now is the time. (PS don’t forget to check the box Angelo)

5) Trade T.Jones only for the right deal – If a team offers a 3rd round pick, take it and don’t look back. If not keep him, do not re-structure his deal and employ the RBBC approach.

If I had to say one more....think of some ways to get the ball in Hester's hands on offense. I mean the guy averaged a TD every 11th touch (7 TDs in 80 returns)

What you got?
1. Even if you did want to let Ron Rivera go, this certainly should not be #1 on the list. Over the past two seasons, nobody has had a better defense. If Harris, Brown & Vasher are healthy, this is the most dominant defense in football. Why you would concern yourself with Ron Rivera is very curious. And why you would want to change the scheme of a defense that has shown absolute dominance when healthy is even more curious.2. This should be #1, and everything else on your list should be a footnote. There have been some Bears fans making decent arguments for Grossman's development at QB, looking at the great games he had early this season, and generally laying the blame for all of his problems on sloppy footwork. If it was only that simple! Rex is clearly a mess in the head as well as the feet, not too mention one of the more inaccurate and injury-prone starters in the NFL. There will be some options available at QB this offseason. It will be interesting to see if the Bears continue to put all of their eggs in Grossman's basket.

3. What about Eric Steinbach? I saw him mentioned as a possibility today. I don't know who they should draft in the first round...best player available is usually the best policy.

4. Agreed. No-brainer.

5. Don't trade Thomas Jones at all. Why would they? It was clear, especially towards the end of the season and in the playoffs, that the Bears were helped significantly by their 2-headed attack at RB. It doesn't help fantasy football teams, but it's a major advantage in January football. Benson is far too unreliable to count on right now, and Jones has been a major clubhouse presence and contributor for the past two division winning teams.

 
However, in watching him all season long I can tell you that he does possess a 'big time' arm, and that when he screws his head on straight, loses the 'happy feet' in the pocket, and executes proper mechanics
So right around the time Vick turns it all around?
 
ditka...mike ditka said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
1- get a new QB. period
i think the fantasy team in your signature needs a new qb. period.I dont think they necessarily need to get a new qb, but Rex shouldnt go into the season and the unquestioned #1. Give Griese a chance, and maybe bring in a free agent and let it play out in the preseason.
:thumbup: If the bears had either one of those QB's who might have had a chance to win on Sunday
 
However, in watching him all season long I can tell you that he does possess a 'big time' arm, and that when he screws his head on straight, loses the 'happy feet' in the pocket, and executes proper mechanics
So right around the time Vick turns it all around?
:shrug: I don't expect Vick to suddenly turn into Donovan McNabb, nor do I expect Grossman to become Tom Brady.

I must also confess that I'm not really a 'believer' in Grossman, and that I find it hard to believe that he will 'put it all together' on a consistent basis. Not all Bears fans will agree with me and some may think I'm being overly critical, but in terms of the 'lightbulb going off' for Rex and his play to become more consistent I think it is unlikely to happen, but I will acknowledge that it is possible.

After a career total of 4 regular season TDs thrown, Grossman far exceeded my wildest expectations by throwing 23 regular season TDs in his first complete NFL season. He also threw for 3,197 yds. in the regular season. That's not too shabby for a guy that many here would label as the 'worst QB to ever start a Superbowl'. He certainly deserves credit for his accomplishments in 2006, and not just bashing for his mistakes.

Unfortunately 'Rexy' also threw 20 INTs and was as inconsistent and turnover prone, at times, as any QB I've ever seen (which as a Bears fan scares the heck out of me) While EVERY QB will have a bad game from time to time, Grossman had 5 really bad games in 19 outings. I'm afraid that 'Bad Rex' might continue to show up in excess of 25% of the time again next year.

As far as the Mike Vick comment - It is a rather humorous comparison, but Grossman is a completely different type of football player than Vick. While both are relatively small for the QB position Vick posseses the speed and athleticism to overcome his stature, and Grossman possesses the passing skills that Vick lacks.

Grossman is a strong-armed, pocket passing QB with much more passing ability and passing accuracy, but is very poor at avoiding the pass rush. Vick on the other hand is truly a 'physical specimen', who can avoid the rush and escape the pocket like no other, and is an extra RB on the field helping the Falcons maintain one of the best rushing attacks in the NFL. However, Vick is not a particularly accomplished passer, and has never thrown for 3,000 yds. in a season, and has never broken 20 passing TDs in a regular season (he did manage a career high 20 TD passes in 2006, but in his three other 'relatively healthy' seasons he tossed only 16, 14, and 15 TDs).

Edited to correct statistical errors

 
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Bears Top 5 Priorities:

1) Lance Briggs - Either franchise or, preferably, sign him to a long-term deal. Urlacher, Harris and Briggs are the nucleus of the defense.

2) QB - I'd like to see an open competition between Rex Grossman and Brian Griese, but, in reality, I don't expect to see it. As an alternative, I can live with Rex having to prove himself in 2007 to earn a contract extension. Griese is a good backup QB who can win games with the help of the defense/running game should Grossman falter.

3) OL/DL - On paper, they both look good - lots of veterans on the offensive line, and a nice mix of veterans and young players on the defensive line. Saying that, the offensive line is getting older, and is in need of a restock, not necessarily next season, but in the next 2 seasons. Defensively, there were too many times this season that the opposing QB was unpressured - Mark Anderson was a great draft pick, and I'd prefer to keep him in the situational pass rushing role he is right now. Hopefully, the return of Harris will get the line back to where it needs to be, but I wouldn't be against adding another edge rusher, preferably at the OLB spot - this is, of course, providing that the Bears are willing to blitz more.

4) WR - The Bears need more playmakers. Berrian is one, and Bradley could be one, but he can't stay on the field. Muhammed is declining, and he should be a #3 WR. This should be a deep draft for WR's, why not add on to an average group currently ?

5) CB/S - On paper, the Bears are set for next season at CB with Tillman, Vasher, and Manning, but either Tillman or Vasher won't be here long-term with the money they will be due. I'd like to add a 4th round CB.

It's late so I could be missing something obvious here (I didn't mention Lovie Smith because I expect him to be signed to an extension soon, and Rivera is still up in the air).

 
This will probably get a bunch of smartass remarks but I don't see why they don't let Kyle Orton in the competition either. Can't hurt.

What I don't understand is all of the people thinking that Garcia is cure-all. Yeah, he had a good run at the end of the year and I am sure that is fresh in everyone's mind.

 
Bears Top 5 Priorities:1) Lance Briggs - Either franchise or, preferably, sign him to a long-term deal. Urlacher, Harris and Briggs are the nucleus of the defense.2) QB - I'd like to see an open competition between Rex Grossman and Brian Griese, but, in reality, I don't expect to see it. As an alternative, I can live with Rex having to prove himself in 2007 to earn a contract extension. Griese is a good backup QB who can win games with the help of the defense/running game should Grossman falter.3) OL/DL - On paper, they both look good - lots of veterans on the offensive line, and a nice mix of veterans and young players on the defensive line. Saying that, the offensive line is getting older, and is in need of a restock, not necessarily next season, but in the next 2 seasons. Defensively, there were too many times this season that the opposing QB was unpressured - Mark Anderson was a great draft pick, and I'd prefer to keep him in the situational pass rushing role he is right now. Hopefully, the return of Harris will get the line back to where it needs to be, but I wouldn't be against adding another edge rusher, preferably at the OLB spot - this is, of course, providing that the Bears are willing to blitz more.4) WR - The Bears need more playmakers. Berrian is one, and Bradley could be one, but he can't stay on the field. Muhammed is declining, and he should be a #3 WR. This should be a deep draft for WR's, why not add on to an average group currently ?5) CB/S - On paper, the Bears are set for next season at CB with Tillman, Vasher, and Manning, but either Tillman or Vasher won't be here long-term with the money they will be due. I'd like to add a 4th round CB.It's late so I could be missing something obvious here (I didn't mention Lovie Smith because I expect him to be signed to an extension soon, and Rivera is still up in the air).
Good thoughts here, and I agree with the Safety position. Mike Brown can not stay healthy and because of that the Bears need to address this position. Manning showed flashes, but also makes key mistakes (see Reggie Wayne TD in Super Bowl). C.Harris is a backup and nothing more. I would love for the Bears to make a run at Michael Lewis (highly unlikely), but he's the kind of safety they need back there.As for WR, I agree but I think that they have a playmaker in Bradley. He's been hurt but I beleive that he has shown enought that IF (big if) he can stay healthy, he can be a good WR opposite Berrian. I don't expect the Bears to draft a WR this year. Besides give Hester the ball more, he seems like he could be a nice slot type WR???
 
1- get a new QB. period
:thumbdown: I can't believe people are still defending Grossman, it's frankly pathetic. He's obviously not cut out for it.Put a guy like Jeff Garcia on the squad and you're looking at a strong favorite to win it all.
What are your opinions of Steve Young? was he a terrible QB? Here are his stats for his first full year as a starter (Tampa Bay) compared to Rex's:Young:1986 tam | 14 | 195 363 53.7 2282 6.3 8TDs 13INTs Grossman:2006 chi | 16 | 262 480 54.6 3193 6.7 23TDs 20INTs The point is, give him some time...
 
1- get a new QB. period
:thumbup: I can't believe people are still defending Grossman, it's frankly pathetic. He's obviously not cut out for it.Put a guy like Jeff Garcia on the squad and you're looking at a strong favorite to win it all.
What are your opinions of Steve Young? was he a terrible QB? Here are his stats for his first full year as a starter (Tampa Bay) compared to Rex's:Young:1986 tam | 14 | 195 363 53.7 2282 6.3 8TDs 13INTs Grossman:2006 chi | 16 | 262 480 54.6 3193 6.7 23TDs 20INTs The point is, give him some time...
Tampa was 2-14 in 1986, and had the most points scored against in the league that year. Excellent comparison. :wub:
 
1- get a new QB. period
:wub: I can't believe people are still defending Grossman, it's frankly pathetic. He's obviously not cut out for it.Put a guy like Jeff Garcia on the squad and you're looking at a strong favorite to win it all.
What are your opinions of Steve Young? was he a terrible QB? Here are his stats for his first full year as a starter (Tampa Bay) compared to Rex's:Young:1986 tam | 14 | 195 363 53.7 2282 6.3 8TDs 13INTs Grossman:2006 chi | 16 | 262 480 54.6 3193 6.7 23TDs 20INTs The point is, give him some time...
Can you honestly look at Grossman and see anything like Steve Young? I can't. It's just not there.By the way, Steve Young's first full year as a pro starter came two years earlier in the USFL in which he started all 14 games. He had an 80.6 rating that year. He wouldn't start a complete "full" 16 game season again until 1992.As Banger's post indicated I think Grossman had possibly the softest 73.9 rating in the history of the NFL. The Bears faced the easiest schedule in the NFL by far. Grossman put up every single one of his 100+ rating games against defenses who finished in the bottom half of the league in total defense. His 4 highest rating games came against 4 defenses in the bottom 10 of the league.Against defenses he played who finished in the top 10 this year his ratings were:Min: 64.9 and 1.3 :o Mia: 36.8NE: 23.7The only other defense not in the bottom 16 Grossman faced all year was Green Bay (#12) his ratings against which were:98.6 and 0 - even if it's only a half of football in a meaningless game, how do you get a 0 rating?This guy was worse than his 73.9 rating this year - watching him on the field made that plainly evident. He got a ton of yards on chuck and prays. Why so many Bears fans feel obliged to defend a guy who's going to keep them from winning a championship when they're so close is beyond me. I don't think Garcia is great, I think he's average, and that's all (him or someone like him) it would take to give the Bears the consistency and decision making at the position they need to win it all. Strike now while you've got the team together - waiting for Grossman to magically pull it together (which I don't think is ever going to happen anyway) will lose the Bears a great shot at winning one or two Championships.I'm trying to help here, but as a Charger fan I can say I'd be thrilled if that clown stays behind center for a couple more years - absolutely thrilled.
 
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Bear fan here. I can't say I've ever been a fan of Rex. However, the solution is not Griese, or Orton for that matter. Griese was given a shot late in the year to show what he had to offer, but was uninspiring at best. Plus, Griese has never been known as a team leader, which obviously is a nice quality tto have in a QB.

I hear people say bring in Garcia or Carr, etc. Agree 100%, I'm all for that (preferably Garcia for a two-year deal). But I don't think it happens. That would be a clear signal that the front office had given up on Rex, and it would be an unprecedented move (as far as I know) to bring in a probable replacement for a QB that led his team to a SB. Again, I would love to see it happen b/c I think Rex is a terrible decision maker and Griese/Orton are not the solution. The window for the Bears is 3-4 years. I truly hope they don't waste next year hoping that Rex can turn things around.

edit to add: did Dilfer get jettisoned right after winning the SB, or 1 year later?

 
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6. Play against a creampuff schedule again.
I just looked at their 2007 schedule and it isn't pretty. Aside from their divisional games they have:Home

Cowboys

Giants

Saints

Broncos

Chiefs

Away

Eagles

Redskins

Seahawks

Chargers

Oof.
The bold teams above are overrated and their defenses were mediocre. How is that scary?
So every NFC playoff team is "overrated" sans the Bears?
 
1- get a new QB. period
:thumbup: I can't believe people are still defending Grossman, it's frankly pathetic. He's obviously not cut out for it.

Put a guy like Jeff Garcia on the squad and you're looking at a strong favorite to win it all.
What are your opinions of Steve Young? was he a terrible QB? Here are his stats for his first full year as a starter (Tampa Bay) compared to Rex's:Young:

1986 tam | 14 | 195 363 53.7 2282 6.3 8TDs 13INTs

Grossman:

2006 chi | 16 | 262 480 54.6 3193 6.7 23TDs 20INTs

The point is, give him some time...
Tampa was 2-14 in 1986, and had the most points scored against in the league that year. Excellent comparison. :shrug:
What does points allowed and record have anything to do with HIS stats? Did his Defense cause his 13 INTs? I am not saying Grossman is gthe next Young. The point I am making is that NOONE knows if he is "obviously cut out for it". It is too early to tell. I don't know the answer to this, but why did Young leave TB? Was he a FA or was he cut?
 

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