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Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I have not changed my opinion.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Through 3 seasons with Coughlin (regular season and playoffs), the Giants are 25-25.
yetiknight
Footballguy
He got a team with numerous injuries, a young mistake-prone quarterback, and a very tough schedule into the playoffs. Unless there is somebody special on the line, let him finish out his contract.
simply, he NEEDS to go. eli got worse this year, not better. they have completely turned the defense over in the past two years, and it's still awful. he's completely lost the support of the team as a whole, not to mention any semblance of control.
i know they had a tough schedule and some key injuries, but there's a lot more going on with this team than can be summarized with an 8-8 record. Coughlin is Ray Handley reincarnated.
i know they had a tough schedule and some key injuries, but there's a lot more going on with this team than can be summarized with an 8-8 record. Coughlin is Ray Handley reincarnated.
Denny Green? 
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trader jake
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Will the Giants run through a brick wall for Coughlin next season? No way. If he's still the head coach next season the GMen will implode. What better time to make a move than after a new GM takes over?
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
This is exactly right. Nobody in the Giants organization--players, owner, new GM--has any loyalty to Coughlin. I would lay 5-1 odds against him coaching next year.
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trader jake
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Overreact much?The Giants need a coach from the offensive side of the ball to turn this collection of playmakers into a cohesive unit.
Iceman56751
Footballguy
Only one man can turn Eli Manning around - Mike Martz .
redman
Footballguy
I pretty much agree with this. Aside from signing Antonio Pierce, they've done nothing to improve their back seven on defense. Their defense lives and dies on the line. On offense their line continues to be unreliable, even with Petitgout in there. The most damning thing is that I think the veterans on that team have been undermining Coughlin from the start and hold more sway in that lockeroom than him.
Iceman56751
Footballguy
They drafted Webster and brought in Madison and McQuarters - they addressed their secondary - but they did not expect them to flop as they did.Shame they never brought in Ty Law when they had the chance.
redman
Footballguy
Webster I get, but Madison is years past his prime and I've never liked McQuarters - NY is what, his third professional stop? I'm just not impressed with the effort there.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
25-25 and playoffs taking the job with a rookie QB?? That is amazing!
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His W-L record is pretty good when you take into account that most first seasons are losing/rebuilding types.
Mara's passing and now Ernie retiring, it might just be time to start anew. That organization is making quite a transition.
Tiki was a big complainer about him so Tiki retiring might help in that regard.
Their D would be excellent if they could cover. From like week 4 til week 7-8 or so, they had many sacks each game and were so tough. Kiwi, Osi, Strahan....such a shame that they couldn't give the DEs the few seconds it takes for them to get to the DB, the rest of the season.
Mara's passing and now Ernie retiring, it might just be time to start anew. That organization is making quite a transition.
Tiki was a big complainer about him so Tiki retiring might help in that regard.
Their D would be excellent if they could cover. From like week 4 til week 7-8 or so, they had many sacks each game and were so tough. Kiwi, Osi, Strahan....such a shame that they couldn't give the DEs the few seconds it takes for them to get to the DB, the rest of the season.
msommer
Footballguy
I think he should go.
He's seemingly lost his team.
Eli is going in the wrong direction.
They need to bring in a replacement for Accorsi anyway.
Let whoever that is bring in a HC of his own (you could even let Coughlin interview for that position - along the lines of - ok coach, how are you going to undo the trainwreck that you casued?).
He's seemingly lost his team.
Eli is going in the wrong direction.
They need to bring in a replacement for Accorsi anyway.
Let whoever that is bring in a HC of his own (you could even let Coughlin interview for that position - along the lines of - ok coach, how are you going to undo the trainwreck that you casued?).
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
It is always easy to throw the coach under the bus. My feeling is that Coughlin really understands the game. If anyone has ever heard him to an interview about a game he is all over every detail and is impressive as any coach I have ever heard. He has made the playoffs the last two years. Further, in an era where injuries decide many times the better teams, he was decimated this year (8 starters were out) and even though supposedly lost the team, got them to win against Washington and played the Eagles tough yesterday with 2 CB's, Tuck, Arrington and Strahan out they were simply outmanned. BTW, Carlos Emmons stinks. I mean how many people knew a lot about Bell (the CB) yesterday? You think Tim Lewis might want to have Bell give a little less than 15 yards cushion on a 3rd and 9? For that I blame Lewis and ultimately Coughlin for having Lewis, but they were clearly undermanned.It was not a coincidence that when Lito Shepherd went out the Giants had more success throwing.There was only one other team in the playoffs that was even close to the Giants in injuries and that was Seattle who limped in to the playoffs. Get players who want to play for a good coach and don't let the players run the team.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I think Webster is terrible. Have you watched the film on that guy? Every time he was in was a disaster and they had to pull him. McQuarters was only in there because Webster was awful. Madison played pretty well overall, but the other side is awful. I know Dockery didn't make any plays in the coverages he had, but at least the guy was right there and with a little more ball awareness may be good.BTW, Coughlin was given Eli who is mediocre right now and no OL and overall mediocre drafts as well as a ton of injuries and limped the team to the playoffs. Is there anyone here who thinks if Petigout and Strahan were healthy, even if the other 5 defensive guys were out that the Giants wouldn't still be alive? Losing Luke and Strahan were huge blows on top of all the other injuries.The Giants were 6-2 when they were healthy. There fall was NOT coincidentally aligned with all their injuries.
Cleavage Connoisseur
Footballguy
The players do not like him. His antics of fining players if they were a minute late to meetings is still in their minds. The Giants will be better off without him. Personally, I hope he stays so I can watch the G-men in disarray next year. 
Not a Giants fan, actually a Redskins fan, but I wanted to weigh in anyway... Coughlin must go. He lost control of this team last year. When your veterans are talking about the coach publicly and head-butting players multiple times, and arguing with each other on the sidelines, there is just no discipline!
Eli has shown NO improvement... in fact, he looks like he's taking steps backwards
Eli has shown NO improvement... in fact, he looks like he's taking steps backwards
zamboni
Footballguy
I think you hit an important point, Banger. Regardless of whether Coughlin returns (I'm in the camp that says he needs to go), it's the loss of Tiki that will hurt more.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Could a new coach talk Tiki into staying another year, perhaps making a run at the Bowl? Would have to be a candidate with some serious juice...
Banger
Footballguy
Nope, he's done. I believe he just signed a huge TV deal last week with ABC. Anyone that thinks that they will just plug Jacobs in there and they are good to go will be sorely mistaken. It should be interesting to see what the Giants do in the offseason or if they give Jacobs the job outright (I don't think they will).
Nope. Been watching the giants for a while and I think their main problem is QB not offensive coordinator.
harryhood
Footballguy
Supposedly WEEI in boston reported that NE has given Pilosi permission to speak with NYG and quite possibly take over as GM. That would be our first step in the right direction. Secondly, it appears that there are some rumblings of the Giants making a move to get Turner from San Diego. If history repeats itself, we would probably give up 4 first round picks along with 3 second rounders....and of course we would have to check with archie to see if Turner is an adequate back to be taking handoffs from his beloved eli. I love being a GMEN backer. One day they will put it all together.
Banger
Footballguy
Turner may be a good fit there but I don't see a trade happening due to the recent history between the two teams. Considering how the Manning trade is turning out, I don't see the Giants going back again. I could be wrong though.Supposedly WEEI in boston reported that NE has given Pilosi permission to speak with NYG and quite possibly take over as GM. That would be our first step in the right direction. Secondly, it appears that there are some rumblings of the Giants making a move to get Turner from San Diego. If history repeats itself, we would probably give up 4 first round picks along with 3 second rounders....and of course we would have to check with archie to see if Turner is an adequate back to be taking handoffs from his beloved eli. I love being a GMEN backer. One day they will put it all together.
biggamer3
Footballguy
i dont know if you are sirious about this but this is EXACTLY what the Giants need.There defense is just not going to win games for them, if we bring Martz in, he will open up the offense and if we sign a decent #2 receiver in the off season we can become a dynamic offens, with Jacobs running the ball
Yenrub
Footballguy
The Giants really could use a guru QB coach to work with Eli.
I hope they address the offensive line issues this offseason.
Also the guys on the radio (WFNZ out of Charlotte) are hoping that the Giants will make a trade for John Fox.
I know Fox was well liked by Giants ownership but I seriously doubt they would trade for him.
I hope they address the offensive line issues this offseason.
Also the guys on the radio (WFNZ out of Charlotte) are hoping that the Giants will make a trade for John Fox.
I know Fox was well liked by Giants ownership but I seriously doubt they would trade for him.
ThisGuy
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The injuries are what really ruined the Giants season. I know injuries happen, but it happened all at once for the Giants this year. They were 5-2 when healthy and were decimated in the Monday night game at Dallas.
Eli regressed because he lost his go-to guy in Amani Toomer. Eli is comfortable with Toomer because he works out with him in the offseason. While Plax and Shockey are down in Miami, Eli and Amani are working together. If Plax and Shockey stay around here this offseason, it could only help Eli's confidence.
While Kiwi and Osi can get to get QB, losing Strahan really hurt. Strahan draws so much attention that it makes life easier for the rest of the defense. Tuck is a pretty good DE in his own right.
I really hope the Giants find someone to replace Petitgout soon. I can live with McKenzie, Snee, O'Hara and Diehl. The Giants need a healthy replacement at LT. Those aren't LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUke's you're hearing out there, pal.
ETA: An offensive coordinator will really help. I wouldn't mind seeing Cowher on the sidelines at the Swamp next year either.
Eli regressed because he lost his go-to guy in Amani Toomer. Eli is comfortable with Toomer because he works out with him in the offseason. While Plax and Shockey are down in Miami, Eli and Amani are working together. If Plax and Shockey stay around here this offseason, it could only help Eli's confidence.
While Kiwi and Osi can get to get QB, losing Strahan really hurt. Strahan draws so much attention that it makes life easier for the rest of the defense. Tuck is a pretty good DE in his own right.
I really hope the Giants find someone to replace Petitgout soon. I can live with McKenzie, Snee, O'Hara and Diehl. The Giants need a healthy replacement at LT. Those aren't LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUke's you're hearing out there, pal.
ETA: An offensive coordinator will really help. I wouldn't mind seeing Cowher on the sidelines at the Swamp next year either.
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Banger
Footballguy
I'm sure Eli was familiar with Toomer and his loss hurt but I can't believe an NFL QB falls apart from the loss of a marginal #2 wr who average 3.5 catches for 40 yards/game this year. I don't think his loss caused Eli to randomly throw balls up in the air while bailing out, throw screen passes too high/low to be caught, etc. I think loss of confidence is probably the biggest culprit to his spiral but I think it's a stretch to base it on Toomer. If it can be pinned on any one player I would think that a more likely theory would be the loss of Luke at LT.
suchislife
Footballguy
Listening to Mike & Mike this morning, they were talking about Coughlin's future with the Giants. The problem is not so much should TC go, but its who would you replace him with. This offseason will not offer many top prospect head coaches.Martz is committed to the Lions for at least one more year. Charlie Weiss has said he's not leaving Notre Dame and Cower has said he will not coach in '07. For now at least we have to take them all at their word (for whatever that's worth). Last offseason there were 10 coaching changes - 7 of them were 1st time NFL coaches (#'s per Mike Greenberg) which means the top coordinators went last year. You could throw Pete Carrol's name out there, but he's reportedly in talks with Miami right now.So where does that leave the Giants? Unless they can pull off a trade or a candidate suddenly becomes available, they may opt to give Couglin a one-year extension and wait to see who is available next off season.As an Eagles fan, I love seeing his "what-the-hell-just-happened" look on the sidelines.
other coaches do this too. People just seem to jump on Coughlin when he does it. Reporting to work late shouldn't be acceptable.
boonesfarm4me
Footballguy
Eli has no heart, he got his big contract and I cant get over the look on his face...He has an I dont care attitude. I dont expect the eagles to go much further but it is sweet to see Dallas and the Giants out of the playoffs. And i do believe the eagles had a tougher last second half of the season schedule than anyone and overcame adversity with a back up QB...
GO GARCIA AND THE BIRDS !!!!!!
GO GARCIA AND THE BIRDS !!!!!!
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I think Toomer's loss had a good amount to do with it.Neither Carter nor Moss was ready to step in. In a number of Giant games this year when the pressure is on on a key 3rd down to end a half or the 4th Q, Manning threw Carter's way. The rest of the game he barely looked at Carter. What was the gameplan then? One week Tyree played very well and got a number of catches. Next week, he's pretty much back to his special teams duty.Some weeks it was like they were just decoys out there or somesuch.Shockey was used far far less than the previous season.There was something quite wrong here IMO. Some might be Eli's fault but some is definitely on Hufnagel/Coughlin/Gilbride for not having those guys ready. Try to point to an adjustment the Giants made on O once Toomer was out. It's pretty
He should be gone. And I WAS a supporter of him. You have to remember what he built in Jax was pretty impressive. And from a Fantasy Point of view Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith and Keenan McKardell all became very good FF players under Coughlin, and obviously productive NFL players. Brunell was always solid, never great from an FF perspective IIRC.
Here's why he should be gone IMHO:
Agains Tenn. when Kiwanuka let Vince Young go and the play was over. Kiwanuka was dejected standing by the sidelines. Coughlin ran onto the field, bent down and screamed in the kids face, waving arms and freakin out.
What SHOULD he have been doing? Saying to the kid "you got him, let him go now go get him AGAIN and this time drive him into the ground! AND he should have been discussing the next Defensive call NOT blasting a rookie that was clearly down, but HAD made it to the QB.
I wouldn't have let him out of the locker room as my HC, and that was a small example of how he has acted/responded for two years.
Get someone who is more interested in discipline on the field and in the locker room that works.
As for making the playoffs the last two seasons? He has had the most talented team in the NFC East once McNabb goes down, and the lack of other quality NFC teams has helped him.
Should be...
Gone.
Here's why he should be gone IMHO:
Agains Tenn. when Kiwanuka let Vince Young go and the play was over. Kiwanuka was dejected standing by the sidelines. Coughlin ran onto the field, bent down and screamed in the kids face, waving arms and freakin out.
What SHOULD he have been doing? Saying to the kid "you got him, let him go now go get him AGAIN and this time drive him into the ground! AND he should have been discussing the next Defensive call NOT blasting a rookie that was clearly down, but HAD made it to the QB.
I wouldn't have let him out of the locker room as my HC, and that was a small example of how he has acted/responded for two years.
Get someone who is more interested in discipline on the field and in the locker room that works.
As for making the playoffs the last two seasons? He has had the most talented team in the NFC East once McNabb goes down, and the lack of other quality NFC teams has helped him.
Should be...
Gone.
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overrated
Footballguy
anyone see the rise and fall of the 2006 NYG on NFL Network, one scene stands out to me in particular. coughlin is trying to through a gatorade bottle into a huge trash can on the practice field. he missed once, picked up the bottle returned to the orignal distance and tried again. he missed. he repeated that same action and tossed the bottle again. he missed. it took him four throws from no further than 10 ft away to get that 12 oz bottle into a 50 gallon trash can...i just can not endorse this guy, he can not seem to motivate and instruct even the most talented of men....
in a complete other train of thought, all "U" players on the offensive side of the ball need to stay away from miami and train with eli in the offseason lets give me a legit chance at being at very least a serviceable QB
in a complete other train of thought, all "U" players on the offensive side of the ball need to stay away from miami and train with eli in the offseason lets give me a legit chance at being at very least a serviceable QB
overrated
Footballguy
anyone see the rise and fall of the 2006 NYG on NFL Network, one scene stands out to me in particular. coughlin is trying to through a gatorade bottle into a huge trash can on the practice field. he missed once, picked up the bottle returned to the orignal distance and tried again. he missed. he repeated that same action and tossed the bottle again. he missed. it took him four throws from no further than 10 ft away to get that 12 oz bottle into a 50 gallon trash can...i just can not endorse this guy, he can not seem to motivate and instruct even the most talented of men....
in a complete other train of thought, all "U" players on the offensive side of the ball need to stay away from miami and train with eli in the offseason lets give him a legit chance at being at very least a serviceable QB
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in a complete other train of thought, all "U" players on the offensive side of the ball need to stay away from miami and train with eli in the offseason lets give him a legit chance at being at very least a serviceable QB
edit: spelling
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