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Giants Thursday Night Preseason Game (1 Viewer)

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I watched the game last night and wanted to comment on some of the things that I saw for those who may have missed the game or just caught some of the highlights.

Eli Manning - Manning looked good last night, he played 3 series and led the Giants to 2 touchdowns. The other drive was stalled with holding penalties to Shockey and Carter. He finished 11/14 for 80 yards and 1 td. The td was to Toomer on a 5 yard pass. He seemed comfortable in the pocket and leading the offense.

Giants O Line - O line played well last night and opened some holes for Barber and Jacobs, unfortunately they took a couple of hits as the night went on. Tackle Luke Pettigout left the game with back spasms which the Hartford Courant reported as something that had been bothering him and caused him to miss practices during the week. Center Shaun O'hara also left the game with a sprained knee. Gray Ruegamer replaced O'Hara at center. Guard Rich Seubert did not play.

Tim Carter - Clearly is the main beneficiary of the Sinorice Moss injury. Carter is a burner but has an injury history. Coughlin called his number on the Giants first play in which he gained 20 yards on a reverse. He finished 2 for 14 rec and 1 for 20 rush and seems to be in line for the #3 receiver spot. With Moss and David Tyree banged up he could be a nice play in larger leagues as another Giants weapon.

Brandon Jacobs - finished the night with 9 rushes for 40 yards and 1 td. Had runs of 12 and 9 yards brought back for holding penalties. Also had a run of 14 yards. This guy is a load when he gets into the open field. His td was from the 1 yard line but it took him 2 tries to pound it in. I know it was said last year that Jacobs would cut into Tiki's numbers and it didn't affect the rushing yards but he did score 7 tds but I see it changing this season. The writing seems on the wall with Tiki's career winding down and it would only make sense for the Gaints to work Jacobs into the game more to 1)evaluate what they have and 2)keep Tiki fresh for the tough season schedule

Giants Defense - the giants defensive line won the battle last night against a undermanned KC oline. No Roaf (obviously) and I don't believe Shields played either. Turley may at some point be the answer at LT but he looks too light. The game graphics listed him at 300 pounds and that is laughable at best. If he is 300 pounds than I am the Queen of England. Usi bullrushed him a lot last night and I think you can expect most ends to try to overpower him right now in his current state. There was a lot of pressure on the KC qbs all night. The Giants second d line applied a lot of pressure with Tuck and Kiwanuka. Kiwanuka had another sack last night giving him 2.5 in 2 preseason games. Arrington played a little and finished the game with 1 assisted tackle. CB Sam Madison and LB Carlos Emmons did not play last night.

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Giants backup QB - I believe the Hefty Lefty Jared Lorenzen will be backing up Eli this season. Rob Johson came in for Eli in the second quarter and did lead the Giants to a field goal but I just don't see him having it this season. He completed 50% of his passes 7/14 for 62 yards. I know Coughlin likes him but he just doesn't bring anything to the table for me. Lorenzen played in the 4th quarter and only attempted 4 passes completing 3 for 24 yards. Tim Hasselbeck did not play last night.

 
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J Load moves the ball when he is put on the field and that is what a backup is supost to do, i also think he will win the backup job.

 
I was at the game last night 1st row ...

Rob Johnson was almost picked off for a sure TD ...The corner dropped it.

Mike Jennings looked pretty good

Jacobs tried to go over the top on his first attempt and was stopped...The next play he went low and moved the pile about 5 yds into the end zone.

Gerris Wilkinson looked like he was all ove rthe field.

Will Demps is built like a brick #### house

 
What I saw was an absolute ineptitude from KC. In the first series, Green was rocked on 3 straight pass attempts due to a very poor offensive line. No blitzes, the Tackles were just beaten.

Eli looked good, but the KC pass rush never got close to him. They also melted before the offensive line charge of the Giants on most of Tiki and Jacobs' runs.

Most entertaining part of the game was Lorenzon's entry into the game in the 4th quarter. A legitimate 300 pounder with a beer gut, and a lefthander to boot. He absolutely ripped through the Chief's third string defense.

Bottom line, I'm worried about LJ, Green, Kennison, and Tony G. This is not the offensive line they ran behind last year. I'm afraid the Herm Edwards effect may be a real syndrome.

 
Funny how Aikman and Buck started the game with the typical critique of Eli's second half 2005 swoon but then finished the game by stating Eli was unfairly criticized last season. Jesus man ... make up your minds.

Echo the thoughts on LB Wilkinson ... he was all over the field.

Luke Petigout's back spasm are not a new thing. He's suffered with the back the last 3-4 seasons. He's usually able to play through it but it costs him a start or two each season.

Jacobs looked good last night although when he got into the open field he was tackled by the first guy who met him. Jacobs is a big dude so I'd expect him to power through some of these defenders. Although I'll also admit he got hit pretty solidly. These weren't arm tackles.

Kansas City never crossed the Giants 40 yard line. Polar opposite game for NY than the previous week in Baltimore.

Corey Webster had a good game for the Giants. He was stride for stride with the receiver on two deep balls.

Chiefs Safety Bernard Pollard is a player. Guy was everywhere.

 
I would be very cautious about evaluating Jacobs' long term potential based on this game. KC's defense made him look better than he actually is. I really hope Jacobs can become a force at RB, but he still has a lot to prove.

Overall, I was pleased with the Giants' performance, but I think this game said more about KC's defense than it did about the Giants' offense.

Good observation about Webster, though. He looked especially good.

 
Funny how Aikman and Buck started the game with the typical critique of Eli's second half 2005 swoon but then finished the game by stating Eli was unfairly criticized last season.
I can't stand Buck... :thumbdown: Spineless, annoying pansy, IMO.
I'm not a fan of Buck either and what's with that horrible comb over? Dude it's over with, it's gone, give it up!I thought Eli looked very familiar. . . I think he's been watching a lot film of his big brother! ;)
 
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Liked what I saw from the NYG O-line. Manning looks to have made some off season progress. Tiki`s #`s my go down but overall he should be fresher. Tim Carter will be getting many looks as Manning and Coach C. get more confidence in him. He has moved into my "shhhhh.." column for draft day. I know it`s early, but K C looks to be lost on both sides of the ball.

 
Jacobs looked good last night although when he got into the open field he was tackled by the first guy who met him. Jacobs is a big dude so I'd expect him to power through some of these defenders. Although I'll also admit he got hit pretty solidly. These weren't arm tackles.
Excellent observation, I saw the same thing.Jacobs is big and fast, but he is not the heir apparent to Tiki. The Giants gave him a ton of room to run which got him to the second level, but when Jacobs gets in the open field, he has doesn't have any moves. CB's tackle him low and bring him down immediately.He'll never be more than an SD/GL guy, and he really isn't that good at it. Most RB's in the league can score from a half yard out when they get two or three tries behind the Giants OL.
 
Jacobs looked good last night although when he got into the open field he was tackled by the first guy who met him. Jacobs is a big dude so I'd expect him to power through some of these defenders. Although I'll also admit he got hit pretty solidly. These weren't arm tackles.
Excellent observation, I saw the same thing.Jacobs is big and fast, but he is not the heir apparent to Tiki. The Giants gave him a ton of room to run which got him to the second level, but when Jacobs gets in the open field, he has doesn't have any moves. CB's tackle him low and bring him down immediately.He'll never be more than an SD/GL guy, and he really isn't that good at it. Most RB's in the league can score from a half yard out when they get two or three tries behind the Giants OL.
I think you're jumping the gun a bit here. Jacobs was used solely in SY/GL last season because he wasn't good enough in the blocking scheme and blitz pickup. He should be better versed in these areas in '06 which will get him touches that aren't just 3rd and short. I also don't agree that the guy wasn't effective in the role. He scored 7 TD's for chrissakes. He had a bad outing in the Dallas and wasn't effective in a Philly game, besides that he was a huge improvement for NY.
 
Jacobs looked good last night although when he got into the open field he was tackled by the first guy who met him. Jacobs is a big dude so I'd expect him to power through some of these defenders. Although I'll also admit he got hit pretty solidly. These weren't arm tackles.
Excellent observation, I saw the same thing.Jacobs is big and fast, but he is not the heir apparent to Tiki. The Giants gave him a ton of room to run which got him to the second level, but when Jacobs gets in the open field, he has doesn't have any moves. CB's tackle him low and bring him down immediately.He'll never be more than an SD/GL guy, and he really isn't that good at it. Most RB's in the league can score from a half yard out when they get two or three tries behind the Giants OL.
I think you're jumping the gun a bit here. Jacobs was used solely in SY/GL last season because he wasn't good enough in the blocking scheme and blitz pickup. He should be better versed in these areas in '06 which will get him touches that aren't just 3rd and short. I also don't agree that the guy wasn't effective in the role. He scored 7 TD's for chrissakes. He had a bad outing in the Dallas and wasn't effective in a Philly game, besides that he was a huge improvement for NY.
There is more to being a GL runner than size. Tiki is actually better than him at it. He's quicker, and gets lower for leverage (pretty tough to do at 6'4" for Jacobs), Tiki can hit seams quickly and dart into the creases to cross the strip, as well as cut outside, Jacobs can only bang it in and move the pile....sometimes he gets too high and gets pushed back.Of course, it doesn't matter one bit what my opinion is because Coughlin and Tiki want Jacobs to get the TD's, so he will.
 
Jacobs looked good last night although when he got into the open field he was tackled by the first guy who met him. Jacobs is a big dude so I'd expect him to power through some of these defenders. Although I'll also admit he got hit pretty solidly. These weren't arm tackles.
Excellent observation, I saw the same thing.Jacobs is big and fast, but he is not the heir apparent to Tiki. The Giants gave him a ton of room to run which got him to the second level, but when Jacobs gets in the open field, he has doesn't have any moves. CB's tackle him low and bring him down immediately.He'll never be more than an SD/GL guy, and he really isn't that good at it. Most RB's in the league can score from a half yard out when they get two or three tries behind the Giants OL.
I think you're jumping the gun a bit here. Jacobs was used solely in SY/GL last season because he wasn't good enough in the blocking scheme and blitz pickup. He should be better versed in these areas in '06 which will get him touches that aren't just 3rd and short. I also don't agree that the guy wasn't effective in the role. He scored 7 TD's for chrissakes. He had a bad outing in the Dallas and wasn't effective in a Philly game, besides that he was a huge improvement for NY.
There is more to being a GL runner than size. Tiki is actually better than him at it. He's quicker, and gets lower for leverage (pretty tough to do at 6'4" for Jacobs), Tiki can hit seams quickly and dart into the creases to cross the strip, as well as cut outside, Jacobs can only bang it in and move the pile....sometimes he gets too high and gets pushed back.Of course, it doesn't matter one bit what my opinion is because Coughlin and Tiki want Jacobs to get the TD's, so he will.
:goodposting: Just because Jacobs got a handful of TDs doesn't mean anything. I had him in my two dynasties, so I watched him a lot, and he is just not a good GL back. He got stuffed MANY more times than you'd expect for an RB of his size. He'll either have to improve, or all those GL carries will go to someone else, eventually. Hopefully, he'll learn the art, but who knows.
 
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Hopefully, he'll learn the art, but who knows.
It really is an art, guys like Marcus Allen & Shaun Alexander just seem to know how to get it done. In some ways it part instinctual....knowing how to twist your body so you can use a tackler's inertia to propel you forward or recognizing the perfect time to go low or high, depending on the circumstance. A straight on bull rush from an RB is pretty easy to know how to defense, the multi-faceted backs are the ones who can also really excel at it.I lalso love the guys who say using another RB at the goal line prevents wear and tear, when mostly RB's get hurt by making cuts that tear up their knees or ankles, when was the last time an RB got seriously hurt at the GL?
 
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Jacobs looked good last night although when he got into the open field he was tackled by the first guy who met him. Jacobs is a big dude so I'd expect him to power through some of these defenders. Although I'll also admit he got hit pretty solidly. These weren't arm tackles.
Excellent observation, I saw the same thing.Jacobs is big and fast, but he is not the heir apparent to Tiki. The Giants gave him a ton of room to run which got him to the second level, but when Jacobs gets in the open field, he has doesn't have any moves. CB's tackle him low and bring him down immediately.He'll never be more than an SD/GL guy, and he really isn't that good at it. Most RB's in the league can score from a half yard out when they get two or three tries behind the Giants OL.
I think you're jumping the gun a bit here. Jacobs was used solely in SY/GL last season because he wasn't good enough in the blocking scheme and blitz pickup. He should be better versed in these areas in '06 which will get him touches that aren't just 3rd and short. I also don't agree that the guy wasn't effective in the role. He scored 7 TD's for chrissakes. He had a bad outing in the Dallas and wasn't effective in a Philly game, besides that he was a huge improvement for NY.
There is more to being a GL runner than size. Tiki is actually better than him at it. He's quicker, and gets lower for leverage (pretty tough to do at 6'4" for Jacobs), Tiki can hit seams quickly and dart into the creases to cross the strip, as well as cut outside, Jacobs can only bang it in and move the pile....sometimes he gets too high and gets pushed back.Of course, it doesn't matter one bit what my opinion is because Coughlin and Tiki want Jacobs to get the TD's, so he will.
Tiki’s experience and vision are what makes him a better GL back than Jacobs
 
I think Brandon Jacobs has more than a little Ron Dayne in him when it comes to short yardage situations.

 
Jacobs looked good last night although when he got into the open field he was tackled by the first guy who met him. Jacobs is a big dude so I'd expect him to power through some of these defenders. Although I'll also admit he got hit pretty solidly. These weren't arm tackles.
Excellent observation, I saw the same thing.Jacobs is big and fast, but he is not the heir apparent to Tiki. The Giants gave him a ton of room to run which got him to the second level, but when Jacobs gets in the open field, he has doesn't have any moves. CB's tackle him low and bring him down immediately.He'll never be more than an SD/GL guy, and he really isn't that good at it. Most RB's in the league can score from a half yard out when they get two or three tries behind the Giants OL.
I think you're jumping the gun a bit here. Jacobs was used solely in SY/GL last season because he wasn't good enough in the blocking scheme and blitz pickup. He should be better versed in these areas in '06 which will get him touches that aren't just 3rd and short. I also don't agree that the guy wasn't effective in the role. He scored 7 TD's for chrissakes. He had a bad outing in the Dallas and wasn't effective in a Philly game, besides that he was a huge improvement for NY.
There is more to being a GL runner than size. Tiki is actually better than him at it. He's quicker, and gets lower for leverage (pretty tough to do at 6'4" for Jacobs), Tiki can hit seams quickly and dart into the creases to cross the strip, as well as cut outside, Jacobs can only bang it in and move the pile....sometimes he gets too high and gets pushed back.Of course, it doesn't matter one bit what my opinion is because Coughlin and Tiki want Jacobs to get the TD's, so he will.
:goodposting: Just because Jacobs got a handful of TDs doesn't mean anything. I had him in my two dynasties, so I watched him a lot, and he is just not a good GL back. He got stuffed MANY more times than you'd expect for an RB of his size. He'll either have to improve, or all those GL carries will go to someone else, eventually. Hopefully, he'll learn the art, but who knows.
I didn't miss a Giant game all season. Here's why I tend to defend Jacobs a bit in these instances. The Coaching staff showed very little imagination when they brought him into games. Everyone in the stadium knew he was going to be handed the ball up the gut. That's not the easiest environment to thrive in. I can count the number of times the Giants play actioned with Jacobs on one hand. I'm not disputing any of the points that have been made ... Jacobs is a big dude and he tends to get his pads too high, but he is night and day better than Ron Dayne was in this capacity. However he could've been used a bit better last season too. Jacobs has room for improvement technique-wise but he still has shown the potential to be a feature back with further development.
 
It just hit me who Jacobs reminds me of, Rod Bernstein. Big tall guy who runs with his pads too high and doesn't covert short yardage plays like you would think based on his size. He will show some flashes but never produce consistiently. A guy that size at RB will not produce for any length of time in this league.

He may have some value in a redraft but do not invest significantly in him on the notion that he will repalce Tiki one day and go on to a long and productive career.

 
What stood out to me was that Jacobs got to top speed very quickly. That had little to do with the Chiefs. My major concern about big backs is how fast they can get to 4th gear. He looked like he had good acceleration.

 
What stood out to me was that Jacobs got to top speed very quickly. That had little to do with the Chiefs. My major concern about big backs is how fast they can get to 4th gear. He looked like he had good acceleration.
agree with the above.say what you will about last season, Jacobs looks different. maybe it's faster, maybe more confidence, becoming more involved in the team. definitely different.i was honestly impressed with the "attitude" of the Giants, and i am not a fan. shockey's enthusiasm is contagious, it looks like Eli is accepted and respected (guys were hovering around him like he was "the man"), and that defensive line is powerful. if they could only get plaxico on board this team could be full of undervalued fantasy points.-orphan
 
Jacobs looked good last night although when he got into the open field he was tackled by the first guy who met him. Jacobs is a big dude so I'd expect him to power through some of these defenders. Although I'll also admit he got hit pretty solidly. These weren't arm tackles.
Excellent observation, I saw the same thing.Jacobs is big and fast, but he is not the heir apparent to Tiki. The Giants gave him a ton of room to run which got him to the second level, but when Jacobs gets in the open field, he has doesn't have any moves. CB's tackle him low and bring him down immediately.He'll never be more than an SD/GL guy, and he really isn't that good at it. Most RB's in the league can score from a half yard out when they get two or three tries behind the Giants OL.
I think you're jumping the gun a bit here. Jacobs was used solely in SY/GL last season because he wasn't good enough in the blocking scheme and blitz pickup. He should be better versed in these areas in '06 which will get him touches that aren't just 3rd and short. I also don't agree that the guy wasn't effective in the role. He scored 7 TD's for chrissakes. He had a bad outing in the Dallas and wasn't effective in a Philly game, besides that he was a huge improvement for NY.
There is more to being a GL runner than size. Tiki is actually better than him at it. He's quicker, and gets lower for leverage (pretty tough to do at 6'4" for Jacobs), Tiki can hit seams quickly and dart into the creases to cross the strip, as well as cut outside, Jacobs can only bang it in and move the pile....sometimes he gets too high and gets pushed back.Of course, it doesn't matter one bit what my opinion is because Coughlin and Tiki want Jacobs to get the TD's, so he will.
:goodposting: Just because Jacobs got a handful of TDs doesn't mean anything. I had him in my two dynasties, so I watched him a lot, and he is just not a good GL back. He got stuffed MANY more times than you'd expect for an RB of his size. He'll either have to improve, or all those GL carries will go to someone else, eventually. Hopefully, he'll learn the art, but who knows.
I didn't miss a Giant game all season. Here's why I tend to defend Jacobs a bit in these instances. The Coaching staff showed very little imagination when they brought him into games. Everyone in the stadium knew he was going to be handed the ball up the gut. That's not the easiest environment to thrive in. I can count the number of times the Giants play actioned with Jacobs on one hand. I'm not disputing any of the points that have been made ... Jacobs is a big dude and he tends to get his pads too high, but he is night and day better than Ron Dayne was in this capacity. However he could've been used a bit better last season too. Jacobs has room for improvement technique-wise but he still has shown the potential to be a feature back with further development.
I am not so sure that Jacobs has the potential to be a feature back. I am leaning in the other direction on that one for now. However, you make a very good point about the lack of imagination shown last year in utilizing him. I hope that as Eli continues to develop, they will use play action more often and more effectively in those situations.
 
Jacobs looked good last night although when he got into the open field he was tackled by the first guy who met him. Jacobs is a big dude so I'd expect him to power through some of these defenders. Although I'll also admit he got hit pretty solidly. These weren't arm tackles.
Excellent observation, I saw the same thing.Jacobs is big and fast, but he is not the heir apparent to Tiki. The Giants gave him a ton of room to run which got him to the second level, but when Jacobs gets in the open field, he has doesn't have any moves. CB's tackle him low and bring him down immediately.He'll never be more than an SD/GL guy, and he really isn't that good at it. Most RB's in the league can score from a half yard out when they get two or three tries behind the Giants OL.
I think you're jumping the gun a bit here. Jacobs was used solely in SY/GL last season because he wasn't good enough in the blocking scheme and blitz pickup. He should be better versed in these areas in '06 which will get him touches that aren't just 3rd and short. I also don't agree that the guy wasn't effective in the role. He scored 7 TD's for chrissakes. He had a bad outing in the Dallas and wasn't effective in a Philly game, besides that he was a huge improvement for NY.
There is more to being a GL runner than size. Tiki is actually better than him at it. He's quicker, and gets lower for leverage (pretty tough to do at 6'4" for Jacobs), Tiki can hit seams quickly and dart into the creases to cross the strip, as well as cut outside, Jacobs can only bang it in and move the pile....sometimes he gets too high and gets pushed back.Of course, it doesn't matter one bit what my opinion is because Coughlin and Tiki want Jacobs to get the TD's, so he will.
:goodposting: Just because Jacobs got a handful of TDs doesn't mean anything. I had him in my two dynasties, so I watched him a lot, and he is just not a good GL back. He got stuffed MANY more times than you'd expect for an RB of his size. He'll either have to improve, or all those GL carries will go to someone else, eventually. Hopefully, he'll learn the art, but who knows.
I didn't miss a Giant game all season. Here's why I tend to defend Jacobs a bit in these instances. The Coaching staff showed very little imagination when they brought him into games. Everyone in the stadium knew he was going to be handed the ball up the gut. That's not the easiest environment to thrive in. I can count the number of times the Giants play actioned with Jacobs on one hand. I'm not disputing any of the points that have been made ... Jacobs is a big dude and he tends to get his pads too high, but he is night and day better than Ron Dayne was in this capacity. However he could've been used a bit better last season too. Jacobs has room for improvement technique-wise but he still has shown the potential to be a feature back with further development.
Good point... I do remember him going off guard almost every single play. Mixing it up would help a lot. My main concern is he doesn't run with the power/determination that he needs to. I hope he works on it...
 
I think Brandon Jacobs has more than a little Ron Dayne in him when it comes to short yardage situations.
Based on that comment I would say you've never seen either of them play. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ALIKE!!!!!!
You shouldn't speak in absolutes son.Watched Dayne ever since his Wizzo days. Jacobs is a big kid but he gets stood up by the first tackler far to often for a guy that you are counting on to gain the tough yards.You clearly feel very strongly about the topic but just because you say it with conviction doesn't mean you are correct. Jacobs has a tendency to be soft on first contact. He is a situational back but he is not the future ofthe Giants running game. Believe it or not, frankly I don't care.
 
I think Brandon Jacobs has more than a little Ron Dayne in him when it comes to short yardage situations.
Based on that comment I would say you've never seen either of them play. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ALIKE!!!!!!
You shouldn't speak in absolutes son.Watched Dayne ever since his Wizzo days. Jacobs is a big kid but he gets stood up by the first tackler far to often for a guy that you are counting on to gain the tough yards.You clearly feel very strongly about the topic but just because you say it with conviction doesn't mean you are correct. Jacobs has a tendency to be soft on first contact. He is a situational back but he is not the future ofthe Giants running game. Believe it or not, frankly I don't care.
He may be a situational back, he may go down easily when hit low, and he may run to straight up ... but he is nothing like that tub o gooh Ron Dayne. When Jacobs gets low or gets a full head of steam he is a beast to bring down. He can flatten linebackers and move piles (see his TD this week ... He ended up 5 yards into the endzone with a pile of defenders). Dayne is a big fat finesse runner with the power of a 185lb back
 

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