Travdogg's positional rankings from week 2 onward (13 Viewers)

[travdogg]

So is Mahomes a second cousin or something?

I think he is factoring in a Tyreek reunion.

Whether its by a trade or suspension, I don't know that Hill is a lock to finish the season playing for the Dolphins. Not something I'm factoring into any rating other than Hill's though.

 

[travdogg]

Sutton will climb this list evert week

He very well might. I like Sutton, its Nix I'm more meh toward. I was already concerned about a Stroud-esq sophomore slump, I've had him well under consensus all summer, and Sunday was a disaster for him. Denver should have won that game by 3+ scores, the reason they didn't was Bo Nix.

 

[Stoneworker]

Sutton will climb this list evert week

he's about #16 for me

Agreed. Puts up 6/61/1 (good for WR12 in PPR) on what will likely be Bo Nix's worst game of the season (by far)

 

[travdogg]

Not at all buying into Egbuka over Evans.

Baker has 2 years of chemistry with Mike and I think that wins out over the course of the season. Egbuka might just be a big play magnet type, he'll probably have more explosive weeks than Mike, but I gotta see more.

Evans is still the standard bearer of consistency on that team until proven otherwise.

Evans is also another year older. It is a changing of the guards. I think it will be more like Evans with some big plays (that's what he does) but Egbuka will have the volume and consistency week to week. I see a higher floor for Egbuka and a similar ceiling week to week between the two.

This is how I'm seeing it too. Evans is very consistent year to year, but extremely inconsistent week to week. He's been taking a backseat to Godwin from a weekly consistency standpoint since like 2019. Same song, different signer.

 

[travdogg]

Kamara moving up seems odd.

Kamara moving up four spots when his quarterback obviously had no proclivity to dump the ball off and then Kendre Miller looked much more dynamic as a runner is completely perplexing. The rushing share was cut significantly from the year before and Kellen Moore never passes to the RBs nor did Rattler ever look for him. It was his lowest target share of his career.

Quoi?

The Saints offense (Rattler really) showed more than I was expecting, and I didn't think Miller looked better at all. Kamara saw 82% of the snaps (5th highest of any RB in the NFL) and I think 1 game is a little too fast to just assume Kamara is gonna be like a 30-catch guy now, though I do agree his days of 80 catches are probably gone.

Its funny, I'm usually the guy who is too low on Kamara.

Like I said, we must have watched different games. Here's Pro Football Focus and their grades, then an encapsulated "positives of the game" from USA Today, and then SB Nation's Blog called Canal Street Chronicles. All of them point out Miller as having a very good day relative to the rest of the Saints. Even the one that praises Kamara says that Miller should get more carries.
I guess we just watch football differently.

Top 5 players on offense​

1. C Erik McCoy: 79.7
2. QB Spencer Rattler: 77.3
3. LT Kelvin Banks Jr.: 69.1
4. RB Kendre Miller: 64.5
5. WR Devaughn Vele: 64.0

"The Saints ran the football well. They averaged a healthy 4.9 yards per carry as a team, and everyone who touched the football gained at least 4.1 yards per rush. Alvin Kamara looks rejuvenated, but Kendre Miller was a breath of fresh air. He needs more opportunities." - Saintswire (USA Today)

Up: Kendre Miller​

Running back Kendre Miller was one of the biggest standouts during the preseason. The third-year running back’s numbers didn’t pop off the box score, but he’s shown his elite burst and Alvin Kamara-like balance. Miller is expected to have a bigger role in Kellen Moore’s offense and saw some action early against Arizona. Unfortunately, Miller only saw 5 carries on Sunday, rushing for 24 yards. Once the Cardinals started to take a lead, the Saints went away from the running game. While limited, Miller showed off everything he did in the preseason against a starting NFL defense. But it wasn’t on offense that the third-year running back made an impact. Miller also returned kicks for New Orleans on Sunday, logging 3 returns for 88 yards, including a 43-yard return. Kellen Moore has emphasized his desire to run the ball, and the team was able to do it well enough against Arizona. Hopefully, once the offense starts to flesh itself out, Miller will see more touches. - Canal Street Chronicles

I mean, Kamara is right there at 61.4, pretty much the exact same as Miller. I'm not arguing Miller is bad, I'm arguing he's not a threat to Kamara. A couple writers saying he should get more work means little to nothing to me, Kamara seeing a higher snap rate than all but 4 RBs in the NFL speaks more to me. I think Miller was treated unfairly by the previous regime, injuries didn't help, but Miller played 11 of 77 offensive snaps.

And rookie Devin Neal had 2 totes as well.

Actually, Devin Neal got the lowest grade of any offensive player, and I don't know whose argument that helps.

eta* Sorry, fifth worst. He got a 51.2

He had two carries for nine yards, not sure that anything can really be determined by that other than the coaching staff wanting to get him some touches. I am sure he is not much of a factor going forward, but worth noting if we are talking about Miller’s involvement.

So I don't see why if you're seeing this why you'd bump Kamara up four spots unless the guys ahead of him are falling. That could be. I don't think travdogg has a great reason. I mean, it's actually not well-reasoned at all, IMO.

I think my reasoning is pretty clear and obvious. Saints offense didn't look like the disaster many thought it would, therefore player who is the centerpiece of the offense gains value.

I don't think Kendre Miller is a threat. At all. Him having a higher yards per carry means nothing. He played 11 snaps. 15% of the game vs 77% for Kamara.

I also don't think 1 game with 2 catches, suddenly means Kamara is done as a pass catcher. Just like Juwan Johnson isn't gonna see 11 targets every week (maybe ever again)

 

[travdogg]

Your TE rankings especially intrigue me. You are higher on Kincaid than most around here it appears.

Kincaid is one of the more interesting players in the NFL. Josh Allen loves him, but he needs more playing time. He's a bit of speculative guy. He was TE2 this past week. If Buffalo has breakout guy, I think its gonna be either Kincaid or Coleman. Or possibly both. But it could also be neither and they just stay a spread the wealth offense. I'm a little more inclined to take the flier at TE.

I've always liked the receiving talent, and while he needs to play more to really ever get any higher. He's still pretty startable in a split snap role.

 

[rockaction]

Kamara moving up seems odd.

Kamara moving up four spots when his quarterback obviously had no proclivity to dump the ball off and then Kendre Miller looked much more dynamic as a runner is completely perplexing. The rushing share was cut significantly from the year before and Kellen Moore never passes to the RBs nor did Rattler ever look for him. It was his lowest target share of his career.

Quoi?

The Saints offense (Rattler really) showed more than I was expecting, and I didn't think Miller looked better at all. Kamara saw 82% of the snaps (5th highest of any RB in the NFL) and I think 1 game is a little too fast to just assume Kamara is gonna be like a 30-catch guy now, though I do agree his days of 80 catches are probably gone.

Its funny, I'm usually the guy who is too low on Kamara.

Like I said, we must have watched different games. Here's Pro Football Focus and their grades, then an encapsulated "positives of the game" from USA Today, and then SB Nation's Blog called Canal Street Chronicles. All of them point out Miller as having a very good day relative to the rest of the Saints. Even the one that praises Kamara says that Miller should get more carries.
I guess we just watch football differently.

Top 5 players on offense​

1. C Erik McCoy: 79.7
2. QB Spencer Rattler: 77.3
3. LT Kelvin Banks Jr.: 69.1
4. RB Kendre Miller: 64.5
5. WR Devaughn Vele: 64.0

"The Saints ran the football well. They averaged a healthy 4.9 yards per carry as a team, and everyone who touched the football gained at least 4.1 yards per rush. Alvin Kamara looks rejuvenated, but Kendre Miller was a breath of fresh air. He needs more opportunities." - Saintswire (USA Today)

Up: Kendre Miller​

Running back Kendre Miller was one of the biggest standouts during the preseason. The third-year running back’s numbers didn’t pop off the box score, but he’s shown his elite burst and Alvin Kamara-like balance. Miller is expected to have a bigger role in Kellen Moore’s offense and saw some action early against Arizona. Unfortunately, Miller only saw 5 carries on Sunday, rushing for 24 yards. Once the Cardinals started to take a lead, the Saints went away from the running game. While limited, Miller showed off everything he did in the preseason against a starting NFL defense. But it wasn’t on offense that the third-year running back made an impact. Miller also returned kicks for New Orleans on Sunday, logging 3 returns for 88 yards, including a 43-yard return. Kellen Moore has emphasized his desire to run the ball, and the team was able to do it well enough against Arizona. Hopefully, once the offense starts to flesh itself out, Miller will see more touches. - Canal Street Chronicles

I mean, Kamara is right there at 61.4, pretty much the exact same as Miller. I'm not arguing Miller is bad, I'm arguing he's not a threat to Kamara. A couple writers saying he should get more work means little to nothing to me, Kamara seeing a higher snap rate than all but 4 RBs in the NFL speaks more to me. I think Miller was treated unfairly by the previous regime, injuries didn't help, but Miller played 11 of 77 offensive snaps.

And rookie Devin Neal had 2 totes as well.

Actually, Devin Neal got the lowest grade of any offensive player, and I don't know whose argument that helps.

eta* Sorry, fifth worst. He got a 51.2

He had two carries for nine yards, not sure that anything can really be determined by that other than the coaching staff wanting to get him some touches. I am sure he is not much of a factor going forward, but worth noting if we are talking about Miller’s involvement.

So I don't see why if you're seeing this why you'd bump Kamara up four spots unless the guys ahead of him are falling. That could be. I don't think travdogg has a great reason. I mean, it's actually not well-reasoned at all, IMO.

I think my reasoning is pretty clear and obvious. Saints offense didn't look like the disaster many thought it would, therefore player who is the centerpiece of the offense gains value.

I don't think Kendre Miller is a threat. At all. Him having a higher yards per carry means nothing. He played 11 snaps. 15% of the game vs 77% for Kamara.

I also don't think 1 game with 2 catches, suddenly means Kamara is done as a pass catcher. Just like Juwan Johnson isn't gonna see 11 targets every week (maybe ever again)

No, your reasoning is clear. I think it’s mistaken. I said you didn’t have a “great” reason. I don’t want to be contentious. If you want to use snap share then that’s your prerogative. He had a 50% rushing share. Without a significant target share, he’s not RB13. He doesn’t come close. He rushed for 950 yards with the heaviest rushing usage (I think) he’s ever had. The only guys in the top 24 that rushed for less were Breece Hall (RB16), Rachaad White (RB22) and David Montgomery (RB18).

They all had quite a few passing yards. Regardless, you can say things will revert. That’s fine. I think Kellen Moore’s history as an OC and Rattler’s scrambling are pieces of contrary and serious evidence to the contrary. We will see.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Appreciate this thread. Don't always agree with the rankings but makes me think and reconsider my own positions, which is always a good check.