Give me the 411 on the Bill's passing game (1 Viewer)

[pigskin pimp]

I know Lee Evans is a big time talent waiting to bust out. I also know that Losman is a QB learning to play the position on the go.

Lee Evans was dropped in both my money leagues this week. I picked him up in one and am thinking about picking up in the other.

What I'm looking for is inside info about the Bill's passing game. Is Losman protected on passing downs? Enough time to get the ball off? Is he accrucate? Are defenses rolling double coverage to Evan's side? Is Evans catching everything? Are the Bills using his speed ala Moss with one or two long bombs a game?

Thanks for any info.

 

[Cowboys#1]

in a word, atrocious.

losman has done nothing to inspire confidence in me and ive watched him play 90% of the time he has started. he just seems like he cant make the right decisions quick enough. His protection last year was awful, this year its been better, but still have you seen his YTD stats :X

 

[menobrown]

I think Evans is going to end up fine. A little less valuable in a PPR league but pretty steady in other leagues.

To me, except for the sack he took in the opener, Losman has looked very steady. Both he and Evans have been fantasy duds but they are not a team looking to pass and they've not been forced to air it out. With the defense playing at a high level look for them to protect Losman the way the Steelers did Ben and rely more on the running game. Therefore, I don't expect big numbers from Losman but as an NFL QB I think he's on the right track.

 

[GroveDiesel]

in a word, atrocious.losman has done nothing to inspire confidence in me and ive watched him play 90% of the time he has started. he just seems like he cant make the right decisions quick enough. His protection last year was awful, this year its been better, but still have you seen his YTD stats :X

I only saw the first game, but I thought that Losman looked pretty good actually. The Bills weren't asking him to do a whole lot though since they were having decent success running the ball and the defense was playing so well. I think that menobrown is exactly correct. The Bills want Losman to develop like Big Ben. They want to rely on a strong defense and strong running game and ask Losman to manage the game for the most part. They do have a good number of field stretching plays though too which have been very close to working too. Add in the yardage on a few big PI calls and a mis-timed jump by Evans and Losman probably has 3-4 TDs and about 150 yards more of passing yardage. I'm still one that thinks that Evans will have nice numbers by the end of the season, but those numbers will probably be up and down each week.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

in a word, atrocious.losman has done nothing to inspire confidence in me and ive watched him play 90% of the time he has started. he just seems like he cant make the right decisions quick enough. His protection last year was awful, this year its been better, but still have you seen his YTD stats :X

the Bills have played with a lead for nearly the entire first 2 games so the passing game has been very conservative. Losman's decision making has gotten much better from last season, and the Bills are one of only 2 teams in the league with 0 turnovers right now. He's also completing 63.4% of his passes right now. He had a 2nd passing TD to Roscoe Parrish called back due to a penalty on Josh Reed that didn't impact the play.I think you're being a bit too pessimistic here with regard to Losman. Both of the games were played on the road against very good defensive coaches and he played well enough to win. The safety against the Pats was definitely a mistake, but I think the refs blew that call as I'm certain that the ball crossed the plane.Regardless, Losman on this team isn't going to put up big passing stats. The coaching staff is clearly committed to winning with defense and a ball-control offense. But, Evans was open on a huge pass play that drew pass interference last week. Losman to Evans is going to have some big games in the near future, possibly as early as this week.

 

[blue&silver]

Two words .... **** JAURON

Since 2000, Jauron led offenses have an average ranking of 27 out of 32 teams in points scored, and only 2 of those years did they crack the top 20 in points scored.

He tries to win with defense, which by looking at his carrer W-L record isn't working very well for him

 

[Sabertooth]

Evans and Losman would have looked better if the NE player hadn't tackled him to avoid the TD. That's what 50 more yards and another touchdown?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Two words .... **** JAURONSince 2000, Jauron led offenses have an average ranking of 27 out of 32 teams in points scored, and only 2 of those years did they crack the top 20 in points scored.He tries to win with defense, which by looking at his carrer W-L record isn't working very well for him

John Shoop was the offensive coordinator for Jauron's last 3 years in Chicago and he was content to punt the ball on every drive. I'm not sure the phrase "Jauron-led offense" makes much sense since he's a defensive coach and delegates the playcalling and gameplanning to his offensive staff.We really don't know what this offense can do yet b/c the defense has put them in such good position during the first two games.

 

[brednbuddah]

non-existent. Losman threw for something like 67 yards (off the top of my head) and still won somehow against Miami. Who does that? How does that happen? A good D and special team will only take you so far. Eventually this guy is going to have to win a game for the Bills.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Evans and Losman would have looked better if the NE player hadn't tackled him to avoid the TD. That's what 50 more yards and another touchdown?

that was against Miami. He threw a TD on the next snap to Josh Reed though so he still got the TD on that drive. He was robbed of a TD to Parrish later when Reed was flagged for an illegal block while the ball was in the air, but if he had waited a second longer until Parrish caught the ball it would have counted.

 

[Mr. Fusion]

Buffalo just dominated Miami so much that they really didn't need to throw the ball at all. In the New England game, I was very inspired by some of the formations and play calling for the passing game. Losman is making good decisions (the coaches shouldn't have put him in the position to win that game @ NE with the 4th and 1 call) and throwing the ball well. Evans will have some very good games, especially if Josh Reed and Roscoe Parish continue to look sharp.

 

[BlueDredSo]

Keep throwing the Bills and JP under the bus. We're all going to throw it back in your face when they've both WAY over-performed compared to expectations.

I'm not saying the Bills will make the playoffs or JP will be a Pro Bowler, but they're MUCH improved. JP is making good decisions when passing plays are actually called. I really wouldn't rely on Lee Evans though. He'll have his 100+ yd. & 1 TD games, and he'll have his 36 yd. & 0 TD. Way too inconsistent for me to take a gamble on him.

So yeah, the passing game won't be anything great. I'd probably never have JP on my fantasy squad, and would only take Evans as my 3rd WR. This is coming from a season ticket holding die-hard Bills fan. So, do whatever you want with my advice

 

[menobrown]

I'd like to know if any of you Bills homers think the Bills will start throwing the ball to Willis Mcghaee?

There is nothing I can do about it right now but took Willis #12 in my big PPR league under the assumption that they had brought in the Rams OC and would be trying to involve Willis in the passing game more and at this point I appear to be dead wrong but would like to know if anyone expects this to change. I'm really hoping Willis can at least be a 3 catch per game back but right now we are at half that amount.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

I'd like to know if any of you Bills homers think the Bills will start throwing the ball to Willis Mcghaee?There is nothing I can do about it right now but took Willis #12 in my big PPR league under the assumption that they had brought in the Rams OC and would be trying to involve Willis in the passing game more and at this point I appear to be dead wrong but would like to know if anyone expects this to change. I'm really hoping Willis can at least be a 3 catch per game back but right now we are at half that amount.

if they are playing from behind, he should get some more catches. they aren't pulling him on 3rd down anymore, even though ATrain has come in to give him a rest at a couple different times, so that should improve his catch numbers this year.Losman only has 41 pass attempts right now, with 26 completions, and 3 of those went to Willis. More pass attempts for Losman should = more catches for Willis.

 

[Capt Hook]

I'd like to know if any of you Bills homers think the Bills will start throwing the ball to Willis Mcghaee?There is nothing I can do about it right now but took Willis #12 in my big PPR league under the assumption that they had brought in the Rams OC and would be trying to involve Willis in the passing game more and at this point I appear to be dead wrong but would like to know if anyone expects this to change. I'm really hoping Willis can at least be a 3 catch per game back but right now we are at half that amount.

meno - that league is one of the few where I don't own Evans > which is where I hope the passes go.But I must say, McGahee looks better than I thought he would on draft night.

 

[menobrown]

I'd like to know if any of you Bills homers think the Bills will start throwing the ball to Willis Mcghaee?There is nothing I can do about it right now but took Willis #12 in my big PPR league under the assumption that they had brought in the Rams OC and would be trying to involve Willis in the passing game more and at this point I appear to be dead wrong but would like to know if anyone expects this to change. I'm really hoping Willis can at least be a 3 catch per game back but right now we are at half that amount.

meno - that league is one of the few where I don't own Evans > which is where I hope the passes go.But I must say, McGahee looks better than I thought he would on draft night.

Hey Hook,I just spent $203 real dollars on a player you cut last week, Mcardell. I hope you don't know something I don't but if he works out for me at least you just helped increase the pot.

 

[Bri]

Two words .... **** JAURONSince 2000, Jauron led offenses have an average ranking of 27 out of 32 teams in points scored, and only 2 of those years did they crack the top 20 in points scored.He tries to win with defense, which by looking at his carrer W-L record isn't working very well for him

John Shoop was the offensive coordinator for Jauron's last 3 years in Chicago and he was content to punt the ball on every drive. I'm not sure the phrase "Jauron-led offense" makes much sense since he's a defensive coach and delegates the playcalling and gameplanning to his offensive staff.We really don't know what this offense can do yet b/c the defense has put them in such good position during the first two games.

that's some good points in the last two posts Aaron.But what do you expect from Evans? This "go deep" guy should be good for a few 100 yard games no? Right now he looks like he'll get 66.7 yards every game to equal 1000. I guess I'm saying this exciting player has been anything but, do you have any new projections for him?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Evans was doubled up constantly in the New England game. He was getting open pretty consistently against the Dolphins though and should have had a TD catch on a bomb when he was tackled by Will Allen and drew a PI call that led to a TD. There was another play when the Dolphins sent a full blitz and Losman made the right read and threw it to Evans quick, but Evans didn't turn around to see it. Could have potentially had 2 TDs on those 2 plays if things went slightly different so the big play ability/potential is certainly still there.

Evans is going to get loose for some big games soon, but he'll also put up some low scoring games b/c he'll be consistently facing tougher coverage and b/c the Bills are running a pretty conservative offense right now and aren't asking Losman to throw the ball 30 times/game. I think he could be in for a nice game this week in the home opener though as the Jets CBs are beatable.

 

[einstein2u]

the bills were horrible last year guys....and he still had 700 yards and 7 TDs. i think this is his absolute floor....i still like his upside.

 

[Mister CIA]

Any chance we will see Kevin Everett get involved in the passing game this season?

 

[Parmcat]

Just a note that is is suppose to pour on Sunday also...

Kep an eye on the weather

 

[Omar]

Does anyone think any of the "other" Bills WR's will put up any consistent numbers at some point?

If so, who will surface: Reed, Price, or Parrish?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Does anyone think any of the "other" Bills WR's will put up any consistent numbers at some point?If so, who will surface: Reed, Price, or Parrish?

so far, Reed looks like a decent option in PPR leagues. Parrish/Price look like their production will be very inconsistent from week to week. I wouldn't be crazy about starting any of them though.

 

[omegamaulers]

Buffalo seems to be a typical Jauron coached team, no offense and a tough defense. With Losman not looking like the second comming of Peyton Manning is there enough offensive potential in Buffalo to give Evans a chance to Breakout this year at all?? What do the sharks esp the Buffalo homers think on this?

 

[Homer]

I'll take him if you don't want him. Caveat: Long TD's count for mucho in my league.

 

[Gandalf]

I think he's a "hold" right now. Teams are double teaming him and his chemistry with Losman seems off this year, unlike last year. Evans has shown flashes of breaking out, but hasn't yet. I think he will as the season progresses. I'm also in a non-PPR league that rewards long TDs, so his value also is greater in my league as well.

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

I'll take him if you don't want him. Caveat: Long TD's count for mucho in my league.

You can have him and his 40yds in two games. I just droped him for Greg Jennings.

 

[SSOG]

I'll take him if you don't want him. Caveat: Long TD's count for mucho in my league.

You can have him and his 40yds in two games. I just droped him for Greg Jennings.

If he hadn't gotten mugged after he flat out beat the DB last week, he would have had an extra 50 yard TD on top of that. Would we be writing him off as a bust, if that had happened? I certainly don't think so.The bounces have gone against Evans so far, but these things even out over the course of a season. I'd still love to have him on my roster (and yes, I get a bonus for long TDs, too).

 

[Homer]

I'll take him if you don't want him. Caveat: Long TD's count for mucho in my league.

You can have him and his 40yds in two games. I just droped him for Greg Jennings.

Caveat emptor springs to mind: re: rookie receivers, but I'm sure they do tend to have good games that get people excited. I remember well all the hype Robert Ferguson got a couple years back because he looked like Farvrerer's #2 receiver. What no one bothered to mention is that Favre's nuevo #2 has never been particularly valuable...While Losman has been at least temporarily re-cast into some sort of ball-control, don't BONE IT QB thus far this season, anyone that saw him last year knows that he can throw a pretty deep ball. Eventually that will be a factor, and Evans will be the target. So, I guess, my take is that long term, I'd gamble on Evans. Short term, check your league's scoring system.

 

[Tommy Collins]

I think he's a "hold" right now. Teams are double teaming him and his chemistry with Losman seems off this year, unlike last year. Evans has shown flashes of breaking out, but hasn't yet. I think he will as the season progresses. I'm also in a non-PPR league that rewards long TDs, so his value also is greater in my league as well.

That may be but Losman hasn't been given the chance to develop a chemistry with Evans this season. You can't expect Losman to just go through preseason and hit your #1 WR in stride every time without a problem. Sure a couple of his balls might have been a little off but there were PI calls etc. that have effected Evans/Losman's numbers. I believe their numbers will increase with more time but the biggest problem IMO right now is their passing. It's a smart way to handle Losman and the offense right now but it hurts those who have them on their FF teams. It's sort of like a Big Ben situation. Run, Run, Run. Let your QB pass but don't put him in the situation where he has to win the game for you. It's been a similar philosophy for Losman and the Bills. They've been running the ball, playing great defense and not forcing Losman to beat teams. It's worked so far as they beat the Dolphins and lost a game to NE by 2 points (in which they should have won). The Bills are 2nd to last in passing attempts per game at 20.5, second only to the Falcons. As the season goes on, the Bills will give Losman more opportunities to throw the ball.

But there is a reason behind this. Letting a young QB build his confidence and win some games is huge, so slowly increasing the amount of passes and plays he has to make is much easier than just throwing him out there and making him throw 35 times a game. Sure it hurts those who have Evans/Losman but it's smart for the football team. It worked for Big Ben and hopefully does for Losman, which would help out Evans greatly. Remember though, Evans isn't the type of WR who needs 6 or 7 receptions to get 100 yards. He's the big play threat who could get 100 yards on 3 catches. His stats would be much better had their not been penalties etc. It will all balance out in the end, don't give up on him yet.

 

[-OZ-]

hold or buy if his owner is disgruntled.

 

[tommyGunZ]

I bought the Evans hype and drafted him as my WR3 behind Fitzgerald and RMoss. Needless to say, with Moss looking terrible, Evan's 1 and 2 pt games the past two weeks have me frustrated.

I'm a retration to the mean guy, so I'll keep running Lee out there a couple more weeks, but I'd sure like to see some improvement, FAST.