Glenn Beck (1 Viewer)

[E Street Brat]

Fox and Glenn Beck are trying to get somebody killed, by whipping the idiots into a frenzy. Wonder if the government will be forced to regulate the media someday.

You wonder if the government will regulate the media?Where have you been living?

Does Beck go off the deep end every now and then? Yes, but the guy is passionate and he speaks what he believes and he does bring up some good and factual information.

What is exactly is factual about the statement that Obama has exposed himself as a person with "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture." What a remarkable statement to make on national television. For Pete's sake, Obama is half white, and raised entirely by his white mother and grandparents. I'm really missing the boat on why so many people take Beck seriously.

It's Beck's opinion that the agenda Obama is pushing is to equal the playing field by taking from rich whitey and redistributing to the poor blacks. Beck points out seveal quotes from Obama as well as those Obama has chosen to suround himself with.

 

[NattyDread]

Fox and Glenn Beck are trying to get somebody killed, by whipping the idiots into a frenzy. Wonder if the government will be forced to regulate the media someday.

You wonder if the government will regulate the media?Where have you been living?

Does Beck go off the deep end every now and then? Yes, but the guy is passionate and he speaks what he believes and he does bring up some good and factual information.

What is exactly is factual about the statement that Obama has exposed himself as a person with "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture." What a remarkable statement to make on national television. For Pete's sake, Obama is half white, and raised entirely by his white mother and grandparents. I'm really missing the boat on why so many people take Beck seriously.

It's Beck's opinion that the agenda Obama is pushing is to equal the playing field by taking from rich whitey and redistributing to the poor blacks. Beck points out seveal quotes from Obama as well as those Obama has chosen to suround himself with.

It's quite a leap from an inferred opinion of redistributionist policies to a claim of deep seated hatred of white people. This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

 

[The Commish]

This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

 

[E Street Brat]

It's quite a leap from an inferred opinion of redistributionist policies to a claim of deep seated hatred of white people. This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

He ties quotes and Obama's "friends" together, in a connect the dots kinda way that bridges the leap.

 

[tommyGunZ]

This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

So your position is that Glen Beck is exactly equal to every other political analyst on television right now?That's absolutely absurd. It's like someone who doesn't watch football suggesting "all QBs are the same, they all throw the ball and hand off. There's no difference between Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf."

 

[Woogie Lee]

Fox and Glenn Beck are trying to get somebody killed, by whipping the idiots into a frenzy. Wonder if the government will be forced to regulate the media someday.

You wonder if the government will regulate the media?Where have you been living?

Does Beck go off the deep end every now and then? Yes, but the guy is passionate and he speaks what he believes and he does bring up some good and factual information.

What is exactly is factual about the statement that Obama has exposed himself as a person with "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture." What a remarkable statement to make on national television. For Pete's sake, Obama is half white, and raised entirely by his white mother and grandparents. I'm really missing the boat on why so many people take Beck seriously.

It's Beck's opinion that the agenda Obama is pushing is to equal the playing field by taking from rich whitey and redistributing to the poor blacks.

What a huge ####### reach.....and a lame one at that.

 

[Woogie Lee]

It's quite a leap from an inferred opinion of redistributionist policies to a claim of deep seated hatred of white people. This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

He ties quotes and Obama's "friends" together, in a connect the dots kinda way that bridges the leap.

:blink:

 

[E Street Brat]

Fox and Glenn Beck are trying to get somebody killed, by whipping the idiots into a frenzy. Wonder if the government will be forced to regulate the media someday.

You wonder if the government will regulate the media?Where have you been living?

Does Beck go off the deep end every now and then? Yes, but the guy is passionate and he speaks what he believes and he does bring up some good and factual information.

What is exactly is factual about the statement that Obama has exposed himself as a person with "a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture." What a remarkable statement to make on national television. For Pete's sake, Obama is half white, and raised entirely by his white mother and grandparents. I'm really missing the boat on why so many people take Beck seriously.

It's Beck's opinion that the agenda Obama is pushing is to equal the playing field by taking from rich whitey and redistributing to the poor blacks.

What a huge ####### reach.....and a lame one at that.

OBAMA: I've spent my entire adult life working with SEIU. I'm not a newcomer to this, I didn't suddenly discover SEIU on the campaign trail.

OBAMA: Your agenda has been my agenda in the United States Senate. Before debating health care I talked to Andy Stern and SEIU members. Before immigration debates took place in Washington, I talked with Eliseio Medina and SEIU members. Before the EFCA I talked to SEIU

OBAMA: Before I even get inaugurated — during the transition — we're going to be calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda. We're going to be having meetings all across the country with community organizations so that you have input into the agenda for the next presidency of the United States of America.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

He's such a goofball, but he is entertaining.

He's doing a 2014 scenario right now.

I can't stand any of the others on Fox but I'm getting into him.

Glenn Beck is the man

srsly?

Sounds like a little 2 year old girl having a tantrum to me.Link

 

[The Commish]

This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

So your position is that Glen Beck is exactly equal to every other political analyst on television right now?That's absolutely absurd. It's like someone who doesn't watch football suggesting "all QBs are the same, they all throw the ball and hand off. There's no difference between Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf."

We've been down this path and you throw me the example of Maddow every single time....that example is long gone after the "yeee hawwww.....let me do this segment in hip waders" shtick she pulled a few weeks back. IMO, she wasted a great deal of money on that fancy education of hers. Who else do you have?I will also say, I have never said "exactly equal" EVER. The attempt at a strawman is very weak. I HAVE said, there isn't enough difference between them to set one above the other though.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

So your position is that Glen Beck is exactly equal to every other political analyst on television right now?That's absolutely absurd. It's like someone who doesn't watch football suggesting "all QBs are the same, they all throw the ball and hand off. There's no difference between Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf."

We've been down this path and you throw me the example of Maddow every single time....that example is long gone after the "yeee hawwww.....let me do this segment in hip waders" shtick she pulled a few weeks back. IMO, she wasted a great deal of money on that fancy education of hers. Who else do you have?I will also say, I have never said "exactly equal" EVER. The attempt at a strawman is very weak. I HAVE said, there isn't enough difference between them to set one above the other though.

Journalism is dead.

 

[tommyGunZ]

This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

So your position is that Glen Beck is exactly equal to every other political analyst on television right now?That's absolutely absurd. It's like someone who doesn't watch football suggesting "all QBs are the same, they all throw the ball and hand off. There's no difference between Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf."

We've been down this path and you throw me the example of Maddow every single time....that example is long gone after the "yeee hawwww.....let me do this segment in hip waders" shtick she pulled a few weeks back. IMO, she wasted a great deal of money on that fancy education of hers. Who else do you have?I will also say, I have never said "exactly equal" EVER. The attempt at a strawman is very weak. I HAVE said, there isn't enough difference between them to set one above the other though.

Yes we have. And we've already covered the fact that you don't even watch the shows that suggest others are clueless for watching. How much sense does that make?

 

[timschochet]

Fox and Glenn Beck are trying to get somebody killed, by whipping the idiots into a frenzy.

Unfortunately this has already happened. Dr. Tiller, the late term abortionist, who was condemned by these two as a murderer on a continual basis, was shot to death last month.

Oh THIS I have got to see usheseveryoneasideforfrontrowseat:Just so you know Tim....this post comes across as you saying Tiller died because of Fox and Glenn Beck....if that's not your intent, I suggest you clarify your position.Otherwise

Sorry, I was gone for a while.I'm not saying these guys are responsible for Tiller's death. But I do believe they contributed to an environment in which some nuts decide to take the law in their own hands. I think it's despicable. Should it be illegal? Absolutely not; I believe in freedom of speech. But that doesn't mean I admire them for it.

 

[The Commish]

This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

So your position is that Glen Beck is exactly equal to every other political analyst on television right now?That's absolutely absurd. It's like someone who doesn't watch football suggesting "all QBs are the same, they all throw the ball and hand off. There's no difference between Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf."

We've been down this path and you throw me the example of Maddow every single time....that example is long gone after the "yeee hawwww.....let me do this segment in hip waders" shtick she pulled a few weeks back. IMO, she wasted a great deal of money on that fancy education of hers. Who else do you have?I will also say, I have never said "exactly equal" EVER. The attempt at a strawman is very weak. I HAVE said, there isn't enough difference between them to set one above the other though.

Yes we have. And we've already covered the fact that you don't even watch the shows that suggest others are clueless for watching. How much sense does that make?

And for this reason, I watched both FOX and MSNBC again for a couple weeks each. Surprise, surprise....nothing's changed. The example above should tell you that.ETA: I have never called a person watching these shows clueless. Not sure why you do that with me....I don't need words put in my mouth.

 

[Desert_Power]

Glen Beck is what would happen if we gave BGP a tv show.

Are you kidding me? I can't stand Glenn Beck. He's so smarmy and such a smart-###. I want to punch the guy. I could see how he'd appeal to some on the right in the FFA but....in NO way would my show be anything like that.

Well...color me surprised. You do seem to have a lot of the same viewpoints though.

 

[The Commish]

Fox and Glenn Beck are trying to get somebody killed, by whipping the idiots into a frenzy.

Unfortunately this has already happened. Dr. Tiller, the late term abortionist, who was condemned by these two as a murderer on a continual basis, was shot to death last month.

Oh THIS I have got to see usheseveryoneasideforfrontrowseat:Just so you know Tim....this post comes across as you saying Tiller died because of Fox and Glenn Beck....if that's not your intent, I suggest you clarify your position.Otherwise

Sorry, I was gone for a while.I'm not saying these guys are responsible for Tiller's death. But I do believe they contributed to an environment in which some nuts decide to take the law in their own hands. I think it's despicable. Should it be illegal? Absolutely not; I believe in freedom of speech. But that doesn't mean I admire them for it.

It has the potential of contributing...and I am sure there are whacks out there that if their backs were against the wall, would use stupid shows like this as their "excuse" for what they do. I am continually amazed at the lengths people will go to in order to avoid taking responsibility for their actions.

 

[E Street Brat]

He's such a goofball, but he is entertaining.

He's doing a 2014 scenario right now.

I can't stand any of the others on Fox but I'm getting into him.

Glenn Beck is the man

srsly?

Sounds like a little 2 year old girl having a tantrum to me.Link

Old School. I'ts been years since he's GOMPed a caller.

 

[tommyGunZ]

We've been down this path and you throw me the example of Maddow every single time....that example is long gone after the "yeee hawwww.....let me do this segment in hip waders" shtick she pulled a few weeks back. IMO, she wasted a great deal of money on that fancy education of hers. Who else do you have?

This is particularly amusing. Maddow is what, 34 yrs old, is probably making 7 figures, and has an audience of over 1M per night. Yeah, what a waste that education was.

 

[The Commish]

We've been down this path and you throw me the example of Maddow every single time....that example is long gone after the "yeee hawwww.....let me do this segment in hip waders" shtick she pulled a few weeks back. IMO, she wasted a great deal of money on that fancy education of hers. Who else do you have?

This is particularly amusing. Maddow is what, 34 yrs old, is probably making 7 figures, and has an audience of over 1M per night. Yeah, what a waste that education was.

Good...we finally agree

 

[tommyGunZ]

ETA: I have never called a person watching these shows clueless. Not sure why you do that with me....I don't need words put in my mouth.

Perhaps I misunderstood this post:

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

When you say "Get a clue people!", what did you mean?

 

[The Commish]

ETA: I have never called a person watching these shows clueless. Not sure why you do that with me....I don't need words put in my mouth.

Perhaps I misunderstood this post:

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

When you say "Get a clue people!", what did you mean?

One can watch these shows....that's fine. I do...they are entertaining. The people that need the clue are the people who are defending them above/beyond the others just like them on some other channel. To document the obvious....because I have an opinion that they don't have a clue about this particular topic DOES NOT mean I think they are clueless in general....HTH.

 

[tommyGunZ]

One can watch these shows....that's fine. I do...they are entertaining. The people that need the clue are the people who are defending them above/beyond the others just like them on some other channel. To document the obvious....because I have an opinion that they don't have a clue about this particular topic DOES NOT mean I think they are clueless in general....HTH.

Thanks for clarifying. We'll agree to disagree. You continue to believe that all analysts on all channels are equal (i.e. Glen Beck = Tim Russert), and I'll continue believing that some individuals are more competent, coherent, and more able to engage in analysis and debate than others.

 

[Chunky Soup]

One can watch these shows....that's fine. I do...they are entertaining. The people that need the clue are the people who are defending them above/beyond the others just like them on some other channel. To document the obvious....because I have an opinion that they don't have a clue about this particular topic DOES NOT mean I think they are clueless in general....HTH.

Thanks for clarifying. We'll agree to disagree. You continue to believe that all analysts on all channels are equal (i.e. Glen Beck = Tim Russert), and I'll continue believing that some individuals are more competent, coherent, and more able to engage in analysis and debate than others.

 

[The Commish]

One can watch these shows....that's fine. I do...they are entertaining. The people that need the clue are the people who are defending them above/beyond the others just like them on some other channel. To document the obvious....because I have an opinion that they don't have a clue about this particular topic DOES NOT mean I think they are clueless in general....HTH.

Thanks for clarifying. We'll agree to disagree. You continue to believe that all analysts on all channels are equal (i.e. Glen Beck = Tim Russert), and I'll continue believing that some individuals are more competent, coherent, and more able to engage in analysis and debate than others.

Again....nevr used the word equal....ever. Competent? It's not rocket scienceCoherent? Might have a point here. This really comes down to what they are able/not able to read on a teleprompter.Engage in analysis? Not sure what is meant here...can't really offer opinion one way or the other there.

 

[jonmhend]

This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

So your position is that Glen Beck is exactly equal to every other political analyst on television right now?That's absolutely absurd. It's like someone who doesn't watch football suggesting "all QBs are the same, they all throw the ball and hand off. There's no difference between Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf."

We've been down this path and you throw me the example of Maddow every single time....that example is long gone after the "yeee hawwww.....let me do this segment in hip waders" shtick she pulled a few weeks back. IMO, she wasted a great deal of money on that fancy education of hers. Who else do you have?I will also say, I have never said "exactly equal" EVER. The attempt at a strawman is very weak. I HAVE said, there isn't enough difference between them to set one above the other though.

Haven't been following here so maybe I'm missing your point, but...Are you equating Maddow donning a pair of waders and making fun of Palin to Beck going on the FOX morning show and calling the President a racist? One is spewing hatred (and there are only about 50 more examples of it over the last month). The other is trying to be funny because Palin did about 6 national interviews in waders after she announced her resignation. While your political persuasion may not think its funny, these are no where near the same thing. Beck has a long history of this crap. I'd really like to see a segment where Maddow was spewing hatred.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Haven't been following here so maybe I'm missing your point, but...Are you equating Maddow donning a pair of waders and making fun of Palin to Beck going on the FOX morning show and calling the President a racist? One is spewing hatred (and there are only about 50 more examples of it over the last month). The other is trying to be funny because Palin did about 6 national interviews in waders after she announced her resignation. While your political persuasion may not think its funny, these are no where near the same thing. Beck has a long history of this crap. I'd really like to see a segment where Maddow was spewing hatred.

You nailed it. The Commish, in an effort to appear objective claims that all political analysis on cable television is the same. There is no one who is better than any others, they're all equal characters on differing sides of a political food fight.The actual substance doesn't matter; Commish equates those claiming that the president has a "deep seeded hatred of white people" (Beck) to Maddow or Matthews on the other side:

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

 

[The Commish]

This is the type of "analysis" that we could use a lot less of these days.

The fact that people give these stations and their ANY credence is baffling to me. Going a step further and actually defending one over the other or suggestiong one is "better" than the other is mind numbing. Get a clue people!

So your position is that Glen Beck is exactly equal to every other political analyst on television right now?That's absolutely absurd. It's like someone who doesn't watch football suggesting "all QBs are the same, they all throw the ball and hand off. There's no difference between Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf."

We've been down this path and you throw me the example of Maddow every single time....that example is long gone after the "yeee hawwww.....let me do this segment in hip waders" shtick she pulled a few weeks back. IMO, she wasted a great deal of money on that fancy education of hers. Who else do you have?I will also say, I have never said "exactly equal" EVER. The attempt at a strawman is very weak. I HAVE said, there isn't enough difference between them to set one above the other though.

Haven't been following here so maybe I'm missing your point, but...Are you equating Maddow donning a pair of waders and making fun of Palin to Beck going on the FOX morning show and calling the President a racist? One is spewing hatred (and there are only about 50 more examples of it over the last month). The other is trying to be funny because Palin did about 6 national interviews in waders after she announced her resignation. While your political persuasion may not think its funny, these are no where near the same thing. Beck has a long history of this crap. I'd really like to see a segment where Maddow was spewing hatred.

Of course not. I can't compare the two separate events. What I AM saying is that the general overall product (with all things considered) offers roughly the same value knowledge wise. TG has said over and over that I am foolish because Maddow has all this education. Great. She shouldn't have to reduce herself to the stupid attempts at comedy. I'd expect that from someone uneducated who doesn't care if they are taken seriously, but I wouldn't expect that from someone who is as smart and articulate as TG claims Maddow is. I don't know much about Maddow other than what TG tells me. I don't really care what their backgrounds are or how/why they got where they are. I care about the content of what they bring to the television. Compared to the likes of BBC America, both are INCREDIBLY lacking. I haven't found much footage of Maddow...she must be relatively new to her position. Perhaps with time, she will change my mind, but I doubt it. In the time I have watched her there has been no desenting opinion from her station. She does a great job of hitting the daily talking points. Take this healthcare crap for example. Plenty of reasons one could be unhappy with what is going on, but her talking points are those same fear oriented points that the dems were ridiculing the repubs for doing just a few weeks ago. It would do her wonders to take some specific parts of the proposals and give her own personal reasons/justifications for her stance. I find it VERY hard to believe that her stance just happens to align exactly with what MSNBC wants to get out. It's too convenient. Hell, even lhucks has a different perspective from the run of the mill dems on this. I commend him for that.

 

[The Commish]

You nailed it.

Good Lord...well, you have a buddy now...maybe you two can show me exactly where these two are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO different in the content of their shows. So far, both have resorted to childish "jokes" to mock the other side. I am willing to give this some time....at least until a repub is in office. Then we'll see. It's easy to be kind/loving etc when YOUR GUY is in office. Your side is winning. True colors come out when you're on the losing end.FWIW....I think Beck is a moron and am disgusted by his comments around racism.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Take this healthcare crap for example. Plenty of reasons one could be unhappy with what is going on, but her talking points are those same fear oriented points that the dems were ridiculing the repubs for doing just a few weeks ago.

wat? lol at the idea that Rachel Maddow is fear mongering.

 

[clampino]

Fox and Glenn Beck are trying to get somebody killed, by whipping the idiots into a frenzy. Wonder if the government will be forced to regulate the media someday.

This statement is dumb. I am not particularly a fan of FOX, but I guess you would say that MLK was trying the get people killed by whipping people into a frenzy. Or, that any outspoken person of any cause is trying get people killed. Gay activists, womens right, AARP, NAACP, The Amish, Libetarians, yeah they are all trying to get people killed because they stand up for what they believe. Dumb, dumb, dumb. People already believe in the causes. If certain people decide to go off the deep end, they alone are responsible for thier actions.

 

[timschochet]

Fox and Glenn Beck are trying to get somebody killed, by whipping the idiots into a frenzy. Wonder if the government will be forced to regulate the media someday.

This statement is dumb. I am not particularly a fan of FOX, but I guess you would say that MLK was trying the get people killed by whipping people into a frenzy. Or, that any outspoken person of any cause is trying get people killed. Gay activists, womens right, AARP, NAACP, The Amish, Libetarians, yeah they are all trying to get people killed because they stand up for what they believe. Dumb, dumb, dumb. People already believe in the causes. If certain people decide to go off the deep end, they alone are responsible for thier actions.

Not quite. None of the people or groups that you named have a television show where they show a picture of a guy (Tiller) night after night and say, "This abourtionist is a murderer". That is what O'Reilly and Beck did, and Tiller was shot. Now I am not suggesting that the lunatic who shot Tiller could ever use this as a defense. Nor am I suggesting that either O'Reilly or Beck deserve to be prosecuted. They have freedom of speech. If they want to call a guy a murderer, that's their right.But it's our right to scorn them for this, to call it despicable, and to suggest that it did in fact contribute to the atmosphere that got this guy killed. That is why I consider both O'Reilly and Beck to be scumbags.

 

[Woogie Lee]

Fox and Glenn Beck are trying to get somebody killed, by whipping the idiots into a frenzy. Wonder if the government will be forced to regulate the media someday.

This statement is dumb. I am not particularly a fan of FOX, but I guess you would say that MLK was trying the get people killed by whipping people into a frenzy.

lol

 

[plinko]

Fox and Glenn Beck are trying to get somebody killed, by whipping the idiots into a frenzy. Wonder if the government will be forced to regulate the media someday.

This statement is dumb. I am not particularly a fan of FOX, but I guess you would say that MLK was trying the get people killed by whipping people into a frenzy.

Sounds like you're a pretty big fan of Fox. Or a big detractor of MLK. There's a pretty big difference between the two, and if you can't see it, I sure as hell can't make you. You kinda make me sick saying something like that.

 

[The Commish]

wat? lol at the idea that Rachel Maddow is fear mongering.

"This has to pass before recess or it will be a shell of itself"Yes. She's parroting Obama and the rest of MSNBC on this one This kind of crap is the same thing the repubs are doing, just the opposite side. "If this thing passes the way it's written, we are dooming our children and grandchildren"Newsflash to both sides: THERE IS NO BILL YET! All these fear mongering comments are based on what you THINK the bill is going to be.

 

[Gigantomachia]

wat? lol at the idea that Rachel Maddow is fear mongering.

"This has to pass before recess or it will be a shell of itself"Yes. She's parroting Obama and the rest of MSNBC on this one This kind of crap is the same thing the repubs are doing, just the opposite side. "If this thing passes the way it's written, we are dooming our children and grandchildren"Newsflash to both sides: THERE IS NO BILL YET! All these fear mongering comments are based on what you THINK the bill is going to be.

You go boy!

 

[Chunky Soup]

So your position is that Glen Beck is exactly equal to every other political analyst on television right now?

That's absolutely absurd. It's like someone who doesn't watch football suggesting "all QBs are the same, they all throw the ball and hand off. There's no difference between Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf."

We've been down this path and you throw me the example of Maddow every single time....that example is long gone after the "yeee hawwww.....let me do this segment in hip waders" shtick she pulled a few weeks back. IMO, she wasted a great deal of money on that fancy education of hers. Who else do you have?I will also say, I have never said "exactly equal" EVER. The attempt at a strawman is very weak. I HAVE said, there isn't enough difference between them to set one above the other though.

Haven't been following here so maybe I'm missing your point, but...Are you equating Maddow donning a pair of waders and making fun of Palin to Beck going on the FOX morning show and calling the President a racist? One is spewing hatred (and there are only about 50 more examples of it over the last month). The other is trying to be funny because Palin did about 6 national interviews in waders after she announced her resignation. While your political persuasion may not think its funny, these are no where near the same thing. Beck has a long history of this crap. I'd really like to see a segment where Maddow was spewing hatred.

Of course not. I can't compare the two separate events. What I AM saying is that the general overall product (with all things considered) offers roughly the same value knowledge wise. TG has said over and over that I am foolish because Maddow has all this education. Great. She shouldn't have to reduce herself to the stupid attempts at comedy. I'd expect that from someone uneducated who doesn't care if they are taken seriously, but I wouldn't expect that from someone who is as smart and articulate as TG claims Maddow is. I don't know much about Maddow other than what TG tells me. I don't really care what their backgrounds are or how/why they got where they are. I care about the content of what they bring to the television. Compared to the likes of BBC America, both are INCREDIBLY lacking. I haven't found much footage of Maddow...she must be relatively new to her position. Perhaps with time, she will change my mind, but I doubt it. In the time I have watched her there has been no desenting opinion from her station. She does a great job of hitting the daily talking points. Take this healthcare crap for example. Plenty of reasons one could be unhappy with what is going on, but her talking points are those same fear oriented points that the dems were ridiculing the repubs for doing just a few weeks ago. It would do her wonders to take some specific parts of the proposals and give her own personal reasons/justifications for her stance. I find it VERY hard to believe that her stance just happens to align exactly with what MSNBC wants to get out. It's too convenient. Hell, even lhucks has a different perspective from the run of the mill dems on this. I commend him for that.

So you admit knowing nothing about her, but continue to put her up there with Glenn Beck. Bravo.As far as education/Beck lacking intelligence/Maddow being extremely intelligent: Sure Beck can read some of the talking points but it's pretty obvious he has absolutely no idea about most things. Maddow clearly has a deeper understanding of things, can easily tell while watching.

And comparing the fact that she doesn't cover every negative point of health care vs. calling Obama a racist are two very different things. You don't see this?

I agree with you that both may be lacking compared to BBC America, etc, as far as getting the news (note, not the purpose of these cable shows) but they are on completely different tiers. Not only are Beck and Maddow on different tiers, but really so are Fox vs. the rest of the cable media out there. I remember specifically the photo manipulation here -- honestly, how can people still watch this station?

 

[The Commish]

So you admit knowing nothing about her, but continue to put her up there with Glenn Beck. Bravo.

I don't KNOW Beck either. All I know about either of them is what they present on TV I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be personal friends with either. Watching them on TV, I would have NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS guessed that Maddow had the education she does. I didn't believe TGunz when he told me initially if I am being honest here.ETA: Yes, I see the difference between complaining about HC and racism. It was a stupid thing to say and completely uncalled for. I am certain Maddow will say something stupid and completely uncalled for at some point also. Then what? It's a slippery slope isn't it?When they day is done, I get the talking points from each side and that's about it. I don't really care what the packaging around the message is...I care about the message. You can tell me that Obama is an idiot in a nice way or be a total tool about it...the end result is, you're telling me Obama's an idiot. You can tell me Bush is an idiot in a nice way or total tool way....the end result is, you're telling me Bush is an idiot. Why are people caught up in the wrapping??

 

[Parrothead]

So your position is that Glen Beck is exactly equal to every other political analyst on television right now?

That's absolutely absurd. It's like someone who doesn't watch football suggesting "all QBs are the same, they all throw the ball and hand off. There's no difference between Tom Brady and Ryan Leaf."

We've been down this path and you throw me the example of Maddow every single time....that example is long gone after the "yeee hawwww.....let me do this segment in hip waders" shtick she pulled a few weeks back. IMO, she wasted a great deal of money on that fancy education of hers. Who else do you have?I will also say, I have never said "exactly equal" EVER. The attempt at a strawman is very weak. I HAVE said, there isn't enough difference between them to set one above the other though.

Haven't been following here so maybe I'm missing your point, but...Are you equating Maddow donning a pair of waders and making fun of Palin to Beck going on the FOX morning show and calling the President a racist? One is spewing hatred (and there are only about 50 more examples of it over the last month). The other is trying to be funny because Palin did about 6 national interviews in waders after she announced her resignation. While your political persuasion may not think its funny, these are no where near the same thing. Beck has a long history of this crap. I'd really like to see a segment where Maddow was spewing hatred.

Of course not. I can't compare the two separate events. What I AM saying is that the general overall product (with all things considered) offers roughly the same value knowledge wise. TG has said over and over that I am foolish because Maddow has all this education. Great. She shouldn't have to reduce herself to the stupid attempts at comedy. I'd expect that from someone uneducated who doesn't care if they are taken seriously, but I wouldn't expect that from someone who is as smart and articulate as TG claims Maddow is. I don't know much about Maddow other than what TG tells me. I don't really care what their backgrounds are or how/why they got where they are. I care about the content of what they bring to the television. Compared to the likes of BBC America, both are INCREDIBLY lacking. I haven't found much footage of Maddow...she must be relatively new to her position. Perhaps with time, she will change my mind, but I doubt it. In the time I have watched her there has been no desenting opinion from her station. She does a great job of hitting the daily talking points. Take this healthcare crap for example. Plenty of reasons one could be unhappy with what is going on, but her talking points are those same fear oriented points that the dems were ridiculing the repubs for doing just a few weeks ago. It would do her wonders to take some specific parts of the proposals and give her own personal reasons/justifications for her stance. I find it VERY hard to believe that her stance just happens to align exactly with what MSNBC wants to get out. It's too convenient. Hell, even lhucks has a different perspective from the run of the mill dems on this. I commend him for that.

So you admit knowing nothing about her, but continue to put her up there with Glenn Beck. Bravo.As far as education/Beck lacking intelligence/Maddow being extremely intelligent: Sure Beck can read some of the talking points but it's pretty obvious he has absolutely no idea about most things. Maddow clearly has a deeper understanding of things, can easily tell while watching.

And comparing the fact that she doesn't cover every negative point of health care vs. calling Obama a racist are two very different things. You don't see this?

I agree with you that both may be lacking compared to BBC America, etc, as far as getting the news (note, not the purpose of these cable shows) but they are on completely different tiers. Not only are Beck and Maddow on different tiers, but really so are Fox vs. the rest of the cable media out there. I remember specifically the photo manipulation here -- honestly, how can people still watch this station?

 

[Chunky Soup]

So you admit knowing nothing about her, but continue to put her up there with Glenn Beck. Bravo.

I don't KNOW Beck either. All I know about either of them is what they present on TV I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be personal friends with either. Watching them on TV, I would have NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS guessed that Maddow had the education she does. I didn't believe TGunz when he told me initially if I am being honest here.

You really couldn't tell that she seemed kinda smrt? Here was my first clue: she doesn't cry like a baby on TV like Beck.

 

[elcohiba]

These people and these threads are a complete waste of time. Tick tock tick tock. Timewasters. You'll thank me someday.

 

[Parrothead]

So you admit knowing nothing about her, but continue to put her up there with Glenn Beck. Bravo.

I don't KNOW Beck either. All I know about either of them is what they present on TV I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be personal friends with either. Watching them on TV, I would have NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS guessed that Maddow had the education she does. I didn't believe TGunz when he told me initially if I am being honest here.

You really couldn't tell that she seemed kinda smrt? Here was my first clue: she doesn't cry like a baby on TV like Beck.

you do know all these opinion / entertainment shows are scripted, right?

 

[E Street Brat]

Take this healthcare crap for example. Plenty of reasons one could be unhappy with what is going on, but her talking points are those same fear oriented points that the dems were ridiculing the repubs for doing just a few weeks ago.

wat? lol at the idea that Rachel Maddow is fear mongering.

Steller journalism here

 

[Parrothead]

Take this healthcare crap for example. Plenty of reasons one could be unhappy with what is going on, but her talking points are those same fear oriented points that the dems were ridiculing the repubs for doing just a few weeks ago.

wat? lol at the idea that Rachel Maddow is fear mongering.

Steller journalism here

can't you tell how smart she looks?

 

[Chunky Soup]

Take this healthcare crap for example. Plenty of reasons one could be unhappy with what is going on, but her talking points are those same fear oriented points that the dems were ridiculing the repubs for doing just a few weeks ago.

wat? lol at the idea that Rachel Maddow is fear mongering.

Steller journalism here

I'm assuming sarcasm, so tell me, what part about that wasn't stellar?

 

[Sweet J]

As far as education/Beck lacking intelligence/Maddow being extremely intelligent: Sure Beck can read some of the talking points but it's pretty obvious he has absolutely no idea about most things. Maddow clearly has a deeper understanding of things, can easily tell while watching.

I probably agree with Maddow's conclusions much more than I agree with Beck's conclusions, but I think statements like this are dangerous. Just becasue I don't agree with him doesn't mean he has no idea what he's talking about. In fact, some of his stuff on the economy appears to be rooted in rational, if disagreeable, reasoning. Sure his histryonics are annoying and (IMO) intellectually dishonest (calling Obama a socialist? A dictator? Really?). But that doesn't mean his core concepts aren't based in rational thinking.

 

[timschochet]

I don't always agree with Rachel Maddow, but she has forgotten more about politics than Glen Beck will ever learn.

 

[The Commish]

So you admit knowing nothing about her, but continue to put her up there with Glenn Beck. Bravo.

I don't KNOW Beck either. All I know about either of them is what they present on TV I am not, nor have I ever claimed to be personal friends with either. Watching them on TV, I would have NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS guessed that Maddow had the education she does. I didn't believe TGunz when he told me initially if I am being honest here.

You really couldn't tell that she seemed kinda smrt? Here was my first clue: she doesn't cry like a baby on TV like Beck.

Meh....she came on her show in hip waders I will give her credit though. She's not said anything incredibly stupid or uninformed, yet. The flip side of that is there hasn't been any real unique takes to come out of her either.

 

[timschochet]

As far as education/Beck lacking intelligence/Maddow being extremely intelligent: Sure Beck can read some of the talking points but it's pretty obvious he has absolutely no idea about most things. Maddow clearly has a deeper understanding of things, can easily tell while watching.

I probably agree with Maddow's conclusions much more than I agree with Beck's conclusions, but I think statements like this are dangerous. Just becasue I don't agree with him doesn't mean he has no idea what he's talking about. In fact, some of his stuff on the economy appears to be rooted in rational, if disagreeable, reasoning. Sure his histryonics are annoying and (IMO) intellectually dishonest (calling Obama a socialist? A dictator? Really?). But that doesn't mean his core concepts aren't based in rational thinking.

He's a populist, Sweet J, and like all populists, his core concepts are both easy to predict and easy for him to formulate. He offers no insight.

 

[Sweet J]

As far as education/Beck lacking intelligence/Maddow being extremely intelligent: Sure Beck can read some of the talking points but it's pretty obvious he has absolutely no idea about most things. Maddow clearly has a deeper understanding of things, can easily tell while watching.

I probably agree with Maddow's conclusions much more than I agree with Beck's conclusions, but I think statements like this are dangerous. Just becasue I don't agree with him doesn't mean he has no idea what he's talking about. In fact, some of his stuff on the economy appears to be rooted in rational, if disagreeable, reasoning. Sure his histryonics are annoying and (IMO) intellectually dishonest (calling Obama a socialist? A dictator? Really?). But that doesn't mean his core concepts aren't based in rational thinking.

He's a populist, Sweet J, and like all populists, his core concepts are both easy to predict and easy for him to formulate. He offers no insight.

Even if I accepted that, "easy to predict and easy for him to formulate," does not equal "absolutely no idea about most things."

 

[The Commish]

I don't always agree with Rachel Maddow, but she has forgotten more about politics than Glen Beck will ever learn.

Is this the bar we want to hold her to though? Really? Most of us here in the FFA have forgotten more about politics than Beck will ever learn. I will remove myself from the "us" part of that. I am no seasoned pro like a lot of people here.