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Go Get These Guys--2011 (1 Viewer)

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Each year I try to pinpoint 5 or 6 running backs with adp's above 20 that will surprise and become top 5-10 running backs.

Running back is a position in which the top ten frequently changes from year to year, and being able to lock down a qb and a couple stud WR's in the first three rounds, and then getting stud running backs in rounds 4-8 is a guaranteed way to win your league.

I've historically had pretty good success doing this, pegging Mcfadden and Foster last year, and CJ and Deangelo in 2008.

Also, I'm using the non-ppr ADP from the 8/7 footballguys rankings.

1. Mark Ingram -- Current RB ADP (22). This is the biggest no-brainer in years. I feel more confident about Ingram at his adp than I have about any runner in years. Some worry about Pierre Thomas. That worry is the only conceivable reason that Ingram has an adp of 22 and is behind guys like Jahvid Best, Knowshon Moreno, Shonn Greene and Ryan Mathews. Every so often a running back hits the perfect team. It doesn't happen very often that a true stud gets on a perfect offense, but this has happened with Ingram. What we are going to see is what we saw with Faulk in St.Louis, Edgerrin in Indy (pre-injury) and Emmitt in Dallas. Most of the time great rb's (CJ, ADP) get stuck on teams with poor play-calling, poor qb's, poor offensive lines, etc. Ingram lands on a team that makes any running back that gets carries there a fantasy stud. When Julius Jones becomes fantasy relevant, it's easy to realize that any running back that takes snaps in the high octane offense in New Orleans is going to take off. Ingram will be very difficult to stop. Huge running lanes, a stud QB, and playmakers all over the field will give Ingram huge running lanes. I project that Ingram's FLOOR is top 12-13 this year. His ceiling is top 3-5. I also predict that next year he will be a universal top 1 or 2 pick in every dynasty draft around. Some worry about Pierre Thomas, but I won't even get into that discussion, as it is a non-issue.

2. Marshawn Lynch -- ADP (30). Lynch has never been spectacular thus-far in his NFL career. He's had some amazing runs and incredible bursts of potential. Unfortunately he's been stuck on bad offenses with pathetic O-lines. His game-breaking run in the playoffs last year showed what he's capable of. This year the Seahawks have upgraded the O-line in a big way. They also have added some real playmakers at WR and tight end. The only thing keeping this offense from being upper echelon is the precarious QB situation. But seeing that you can get Lynch so late in the draft, it's a risk worth taking. Lynch had two very solid seasons in his first two years, and he's only 25. The competition in Seattle is minimal. Lynch will have every opportunity to be a top back, and a top ten finish is certainly possible.

3. Mikel Leshoure --ADP (34). I'm usually hesitant to draft TWO rookies in re-draft, but I think Leshoure is VERY underrated when it comes to his potential. Jahvid Best is explosive and is a playmaker, but at this point there is no reason to think he will be anything more than Reggie Bush or Darren Sproles. I've always liked Best and I DO think he COULD be very good, but you can't ignore the serious injury risks that he carries. Leshoure is very likely going to run away with the goalline carries and may be just what the Detroit offense is missing. I think Leshoure could be a top 15-20 back even splitting time, due to the explosive offense he's on. If Best gets hurt and/or misses a number of games, Leshoure could easily be a very surprising top 10 running back.

4. Beanie Wells (37). At this point, you can get a starting rb on a pretty good team very late. He's currently the 37th running back being taken, which is unbelievable. Wells certainly disappointed last season, as he was unable to stay healthy and get anything going. Now he faces stiff competition in Ryan Williams. But remember that this coaching staff did draft Beanie, and they are going to give him a chance to be the featured back, at least for a few games. Beanie has gotten himself into great shape and knows this is his big shot. I liken this to Deangelo's third season where he knew the stud rookie was breathing down his neck. With a real QB on the team, the Cardinals offense should be very good, and being in the NFC West is very position for Beanie. Wells should EASILY outperform his draft position and if things go right, could be one of the biggest steals of the draft.

5. Willis McGahee (47). McGahee is 29 years old and aging, but he does have 2 1200 yard seasons and 2 10+ TD seasons. Knowshon Moreno has LOST 15 pounds this off-season and really is struggling with his ability to run the ball through the tackles at training camp. McGahee has been very good in Baltimore as Ray Rice's backup. But he should have no problems beating out Moreno, especially with a coaching staff that has nothing invested in Moreno. McGahee doesn't have the upside that some of the above do, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could carve out an 1100 10TD season in Denver, especially if he has a strong pre-season and establishes himself as the primary runner. If nothing out he will VASTLY outperform his adp, though I am sure this ADP will do nothing but rise during the pre-season.

 
My thoughts on these backs

Ingram - Top 5 is a stretch, but I agree he is a decent bet to provide value

Lynch - on board with this too, but again, I can't see top 10 numbers

Leshoure - Might be splitting down the middle, will need a Best injury

Wells - completely agree, he's one of my top value plays of 2011

McGahee - I've seen this pop up in a few places, but he just has lost too much tread on his tires...I don't like McGahee at all, has looked slow to me for years now

 
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My thoughts on these backs

Ingram - Top 5 is a stretch, but I agree he is a decent bet to provide value

Lynch - on board with this too, but again, I can't see top 10 numbers

Leshoure - Might be splitting down the middle, will need a Best injury

Wells - completely agree, he's one of my top value plays of 2011

McGahee - I've seen this pop up in a few places, but he just has too much tread on his tires...I don't like McGahee at all, has looked slow to me for years now
Too much wear on the tires. If he had too much tread, he'd be brand new still. Carry on.
 
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Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.

 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
I don't think so. Sproles is really the only threat here in my opinion. Ivory has multiple injuries already and Pierre Thomas can't hold Ingrams jock. Ingram gives them a power rushing attack like they haven't had since McAllister.
 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
I think that might change at both TE and RB this year. I love the read on Ingram and completely agree. He just went 1.3 in a rookie draft today, which I thought was insane.
 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup.
Ingram is the most complete back he's had. Not to mention the presence of Bush facilitates a rotation.That being said, people need to temper expectations for a rookie RB.I have him at decent, not spectacular value.
 
My thoughts on these backsIngram - Top 5 is a stretch, but I agree he is a decent bet to provide valueLynch - on board with this too, but again, I can't see top 10 numbersLeshoure - Might be splitting down the middle, will need a Best injuryWells - completely agree, he's one of my top value plays of 2011McGahee - I've seen this pop up in a few places, but he just has lost too much tread on his tires...I don't like McGahee at all, has looked slow to me for years now
The only one on this list I'm not in love with is Leshoure....He's going in the same range as Wells so you're likely going to have to make a decision between the 2 and IMO...that is not a decision at all. Which leads me to my next point - I love the other 4 you have mentioned. I think all 4 have a legitimate shot to finish in the top 15.
 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
Disagree. Peyton has always had average talent at RB, which is why he rotates in and out. Saints are in a win now mode with Brees. Thomas and Ivory are made of glass. He'll get plenty of carries and they will only increase as the huge disparity between him and Pierre manifests itself. The training camp buzz is already the writing on the wall. Thomas was a solid guy. Ingram is a superstar.
 
My thoughts on these backsIngram - Top 5 is a stretch, but I agree he is a decent bet to provide valueLynch - on board with this too, but again, I can't see top 10 numbersLeshoure - Might be splitting down the middle, will need a Best injuryWells - completely agree, he's one of my top value plays of 2011McGahee - I've seen this pop up in a few places, but he just has lost too much tread on his tires...I don't like McGahee at all, has looked slow to me for years now
:thumbup: McGahee might be older, but he has been in a supportive role for the past two seasons, so I think he is going to be fresh and ready to go for one more run at it. Perfect storm for him. Solid offense, coach that likes to run the ball.I think he'll start with a 50-50 split, but in camp the difference between Moreno and McGahee seems to be pretty wide thus far. Moreno may shift into a Bush type role, as he seems to impress as a receiver and do nothing to stand out as a running back. Heck, it might be pre-season hype, but Jeremiah Johnson is the guy that might push McGahee the most. He seems to get lots of love from Denver observers.
 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
Disagree. Peyton has always had average talent at RB, which is why he rotates in and out. Saints are in a win now mode with Brees. Thomas and Ivory are made of glass. He'll get plenty of carries and they will only increase as the huge disparity between him and Pierre manifests itself. The training camp buzz is already the writing on the wall. Thomas was a solid guy. Ingram is a superstar.
If Ingram is a superstar why did he go 28th in the draft (or wherever he went)?
 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
Disagree. Peyton has always had average talent at RB, which is why he rotates in and out. Saints are in a win now mode with Brees. Thomas and Ivory are made of glass. He'll get plenty of carries and they will only increase as the huge disparity between him and Pierre manifests itself. The training camp buzz is already the writing on the wall. Thomas was a solid guy. Ingram is a superstar.
If Ingram is a superstar why did he go 28th in the draft (or wherever he went)?
Are you seriously asking why a potential superstar went in the 1st round of the draft? :lmao:
 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
Disagree. Peyton has always had average talent at RB, which is why he rotates in and out. Saints are in a win now mode with Brees. Thomas and Ivory are made of glass. He'll get plenty of carries and they will only increase as the huge disparity between him and Pierre manifests itself. The training camp buzz is already the writing on the wall. Thomas was a solid guy. Ingram is a superstar.
If Ingram is a superstar why did he go 28th in the draft (or wherever he went)?
The list of stud RB's drafted lower than 28th is a lot longer than the list of stud RB's drafted higher than 28th.
 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
Disagree. Peyton has always had average talent at RB, which is why he rotates in and out. Saints are in a win now mode with Brees. Thomas and Ivory are made of glass. He'll get plenty of carries and they will only increase as the huge disparity between him and Pierre manifests itself. The training camp buzz is already the writing on the wall. Thomas was a solid guy. Ingram is a superstar.
If Ingram is a superstar why did he go 28th in the draft (or wherever he went)?
The list of stud RB's drafted lower than 28th is a lot longer than the list of stud RB's drafted higher than 28th.
Theres also a lot more draft picks after 28th than before ;)No I realize that. But Im just saying if he was such a superstar why did he slip to the end of the 1st round? Im not even saying the guy isnt talented. I just think given peyton's history I dont think he will get the touches people seem to think in this thread. I guess we'll see.
 
Another thing to keep in mind with Ingram is the rookie wall. Almost always, rookie backs tend to wear out right around fantasy playoff time. Best thing that could happen to Ingram is to start out with 10 touches/game and then still have some juice left. It's myopic to believe that a) Payton will rush Ingram 20 times a game and b) Ingram would last the whole year at that pace. Risky as a RB2, love him as an RB3.

 
I like the list....last year I nailed the Foster pick as well, and this year my main 2 targets are Ingram and Lynch.

From the 8th spot I am really considering going QB-WR-WR and seeing if I could get something like Vick-Fitz-M.Austin....or I could even go WR-WR-QB and do A.Johnson-Fitz-Brady.

...but to do that I need that sleeper at RB. I am also have this gut feeling Felix Jones is going to have a breakout year with Barber not stealing TDs/carries and Garrett not being a fan of Choice, however Jones ADP is right around Ingram, so I might have to just pick one.

 
Ingram is being talked about entirely too much on this site and others. If he shows well in preseason games, even the magazine drafters will raise him in their rankings. I doubt he's much of a redraft bargain in 3 weeks.

 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup.
Ingram is the most complete back he's had. Not to mention the presence of Bush facilitates a rotation.That being said, people need to temper expectations for a rookie RB.I have him at decent, not spectacular value.
A little confused by your post. Isn't Reggie Bush a Dolphin now? Wouldn't that mean Ingram will probably get most of the carries?
 
Since Shader put himself out there, I will only comment with my 5 guys that I think will be good to great values

QB - Ben Roethlisberger - I think he can crack the top 5

RB - Joesph Addai - PM wanted him back and they tried to replace him with a rookie a couple of years ago in Brown and that didnt pan out. I wouldnt expect much from the rookie carter this year due to the shortened off season

WR - Kenny Britt - Put up very decent numbers with very questionable QB's.

WR - Mike Sims-Walker - Playing on a year deal, should be able to put up decent numbers for where you can get him

RB - Mike Tolbert - Even if Mathews stays healthy for the year I still believe Tolbert will be their short yardage/goal line back. Looks like Mathews wont stay healthy, so you could have a nice late pick here.

 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
Disagree. Peyton has always had average talent at RB, which is why he rotates in and out. Saints are in a win now mode with Brees. Thomas and Ivory are made of glass. He'll get plenty of carries and they will only increase as the huge disparity between him and Pierre manifests itself. The training camp buzz is already the writing on the wall. Thomas was a solid guy. Ingram is a superstar.
If Ingram is a superstar why did he go 28th in the draft (or wherever he went)?
Alternatively one could ask, why do you think two RBs that weren't even drafted at all (Thomas and Ivory) would be a threat to a guy that went 28th in the draft?
 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
Disagree. Peyton has always had average talent at RB, which is why he rotates in and out. Saints are in a win now mode with Brees. Thomas and Ivory are made of glass. He'll get plenty of carries and they will only increase as the huge disparity between him and Pierre manifests itself. The training camp buzz is already the writing on the wall. Thomas was a solid guy. Ingram is a superstar.
If Ingram is a superstar why did he go 28th in the draft (or wherever he went)?
The list of stud RB's drafted lower than 28th is a lot longer than the list of stud RB's drafted higher than 28th.
Theres also a lot more draft picks after 28th than before ;)No I realize that. But Im just saying if he was such a superstar why did he slip to the end of the 1st round? Im not even saying the guy isnt talented. I just think given peyton's history I dont think he will get the touches people seem to think in this thread. I guess we'll see.
I think we are going to start to see RBs drafted later for a couple of reasons in the years to come. One is the obvious trend of RBBC...no use blowing a top pick on a "share" situation. I also think that as people have mentioned, there is value for impact players (think of Foster, Ryan Grant, Priest Holmes, Blount, etc.) to come later in the draft, if at all at that position. And then of course when you add in recent top picks (think of the Benson, Brown, Caddy draft and also Spiller and Moreno draft), there is a wicked rate of average to failure production from these guys...may as well wait and take your chances in the 3-5th rounds.
 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
Disagree. Peyton has always had average talent at RB, which is why he rotates in and out. Saints are in a win now mode with Brees. Thomas and Ivory are made of glass. He'll get plenty of carries and they will only increase as the huge disparity between him and Pierre manifests itself. The training camp buzz is already the writing on the wall. Thomas was a solid guy. Ingram is a superstar.
If Ingram is a superstar why did he go 28th in the draft (or wherever he went)?
Alternatively one could ask, why do you think two RBs that weren't even drafted at all (Thomas and Ivory) would be a threat to a guy that went 28th in the draft?
Touche
 
Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
Disagree. Peyton has always had average talent at RB, which is why he rotates in and out. Saints are in a win now mode with Brees. Thomas and Ivory are made of glass. He'll get plenty of carries and they will only increase as the huge disparity between him and Pierre manifests itself. The training camp buzz is already the writing on the wall. Thomas was a solid guy. Ingram is a superstar.
If Ingram is a superstar why did he go 28th in the draft (or wherever he went)?
Alternatively one could ask, why do you think two RBs that weren't even drafted at all (Thomas and Ivory) would be a threat to a guy that went 28th in the draft?
Cuz of Sean Peyton's history. Wasnt that the whole point of my post?
 
You guys are confusing my original point. Im not saying Ingram isnt the most talented back on that roster. Im saying Peyton doesnt care. He mixes and matches at ALL positions regardless of talent or draft slot. You're point is this is the most talented back Peyton has ever had and that rotation will stop and Ingram will get the majority of the touches. That is where are debate lies. not in the talent level of Ingram which I am not disagreeing with.

 
Another good reason to temper expectations for Ingram is history. Look at the past 5 or 6 years. Rookie RB's haven't done much and the ones that have, pretty much came out of nowhere.

Take Ryan Mathews for example. He was drafted 12th overall (the Chargers moved up to get him) and you would think he was in a dream situation with the Chargers having a very good offense. We all know how that turned out.

 
You guys are confusing my original point. Im not saying Ingram isnt the most talented back on that roster. Im saying Peyton doesnt care. He mixes and matches at ALL positions regardless of talent or draft slot. You're point is this is the most talented back Peyton has ever had and that rotation will stop and Ingram will get the majority of the touches. That is where are debate lies. not in the talent level of Ingram which I am not disagreeing with.
If he doesn't care, wtf would he trade up to get him. That doesn't pass the sniff test at all.
 
Another good reason to temper expectations for Ingram is history. Look at the past 5 or 6 years. Rookie RB's haven't done much and the ones that have, pretty much came out of nowhere.Take Ryan Mathews for example. He was drafted 12th overall (the Chargers moved up to get him) and you would think he was in a dream situation with the Chargers having a very good offense. We all know how that turned out.
He got hurt.
 
Another good reason to temper expectations for Ingram is history. Look at the past 5 or 6 years. Rookie RB's haven't done much and the ones that have, pretty much came out of nowhere.Take Ryan Mathews for example. He was drafted 12th overall (the Chargers moved up to get him) and you would think he was in a dream situation with the Chargers having a very good offense. We all know how that turned out.
He got hurt.
Yes, he did, but he wasn't that great when healthy......certainly not "first or second round fantasy draft pick" great where some people were taking him last year.
 
I would be SHOCKED if McGahee even sniffs the top 15.

Lots of guys look good in short bursts with very defined roles, but if you have watched McGahee, he has CLERALY lost a step and a half and it wasn't just recently. This guy has been bumped to the side since he was 26-27 years old. People are going to be disappointed if they think they stole the draft on McGahee.

Love the Beanie pick.

Like the Lynch pick with some tempered expectations. I think he's a solid RB2 this year.

Really unsure about Ingram because I like the talent and I DO think the Saints would run more SOME. But at the end of the day, this is a team with Drew Brees on it and that is the alpha and omega of your offense. I mean, If the Colts had signed DWIL, would it have made for a very hyped offeseason? Without a doubt. But at the end of the day, there is only so much food you are going to take off a great QB's table: they are still THE man. Even when the Colts had Edge and he was Awesome. On that team, with that offense, even Edge had to play out of his mind to get top 5 consideration in PPR.

LeShoure has a high likliehood to be pretty irrelevant as far as a weekly starter/producer in fantasy. betting on another player to not stay healthy is bad karma and angers the fantasy gods more often than not.

The guys I think will come back from reletavie nowhere is Ryan Grant or Joseph Addai. These guys are realy productive in PPR and I think people have fallen asleep on them because of the injuries last year.

 
Since Shader put himself out there, I will only comment with my 5 guys that I think will be good to great values

QB - Ben Roethlisberger - I think he can crack the top 5

RB - Joesph Addai - PM wanted him back and they tried to replace him with a rookie a couple of years ago in Brown and that didnt pan out. I wouldnt expect much from the rookie carter this year due to the shortened off season

WR - Kenny Britt - Put up very decent numbers with very questionable QB's.

WR - Mike Sims-Walker - Playing on a year deal, should be able to put up decent numbers for where you can get him

RB - Mike Tolbert - Even if Mathews stays healthy for the year I still believe Tolbert will be their short yardage/goal line back. Looks like Mathews wont stay healthy, so you could have a nice late pick here.
I agree here, except on Addai.Addai will likely be the guy in Indy. But so what? In my main PPR league last year he ended the season at 20th in per game average...being the guy. If Carter does bring in some power running skill, he isn't going to replace Addai on 3rd downs, so Addai isn't going to the bench. But if Carter sees some action on running downs and steals some of those opportunities from Addai, then last year's finish at 20th could be a ceiling for Addai this year.

It hasn't been that big of a pie for some time. Addai can't afford for his share to get smaller and still be a candidate for your RB2 spot.

 
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Sean Peyton likes to rotate RBs, WRs, & TEs, in and out of the lineup. Nobody is safe. That will never change. Not saying Ingram wont be solid but no way hes a stud when PT, Sproles, and even Ivory will get their touches.
Disagree. Peyton has always had average talent at RB, which is why he rotates in and out. Saints are in a win now mode with Brees. Thomas and Ivory are made of glass. He'll get plenty of carries and they will only increase as the huge disparity between him and Pierre manifests itself. The training camp buzz is already the writing on the wall. Thomas was a solid guy. Ingram is a superstar.
If Ingram is a superstar why did he go 28th in the draft (or wherever he went)?
Because teams don't view the runningback position the way they used to. It's not as important of a position in that you can get a guy later to be more than servicable. Chris Johnson, Rashard Mendenhall, Steven Jackson... All late first round draft picks. With Mark Ingram, you should look less at him going 1.28, and more at the fact New Orleans gave up a 2nd and next years first to get him.So yeah, a 1st and 2nd round pick for Mark Ingram.
 
Another good reason to temper expectations for Ingram is history. Look at the past 5 or 6 years. Rookie RB's haven't done much and the ones that have, pretty much came out of nowhere.Take Ryan Mathews for example. He was drafted 12th overall (the Chargers moved up to get him) and you would think he was in a dream situation with the Chargers having a very good offense. We all know how that turned out.
He got hurt.
Yes, he did, but he wasn't that great when healthy......certainly not "first or second round fantasy draft pick" great where some people were taking him last year.
He was nagged early on in the season. If you average out the 12 games that he played into a 16 game season it adds up to 1100 yards, and nine touchdowns on 209 carries and 30 receptions. Point being is that he made use of his limited carries. If he doesn't get dinged early, those numbers are much bigger... But one thing to remember is that Mark Ingram and Ryan Mathews are two very different beasts. Mark Ingram played in the SEC against big boys in a pro style offense compared to Mathews at Fresno State. Ingram isn't as dynamic as Mathews, but what he does, he does extremely well. He's tough in between the tackles, always falls forward, and he possesses the most imporant thing for a runner. Far greater than speed. He has great vision. While I don't think he'll ever be Chris Johnson stats wise, he has the potential to rush for a lot of yards, and even better, be one of the best redzone backs in the league.
 
Each year I try to pinpoint 5 or 6 running backs with adp's above 20 that will surprise and become top 5-10 running backs.

Running back is a position in which the top ten frequently changes from year to year, and being able to lock down a qb and a couple stud WR's in the first three rounds, and then getting stud running backs in rounds 4-8 is a guaranteed way to win your league.

I've historically had pretty good success doing this, pegging Mcfadden and Foster last year, and CJ and Deangelo in 2008.

Also, I'm using the non-ppr ADP from the 8/7 footballguys rankings.

3. Mikel Leshoure --ADP (34). I'm usually hesitant to draft TWO rookies in re-draft, but I think Leshoure is VERY underrated when it comes to his potential. Jahvid Best is explosive and is a playmaker, but at this point there is no reason to think he will be anything more than Reggie Bush or Darren Sproles. I've always liked Best and I DO think he COULD be very good, but you can't ignore the serious injury risks that he carries. Leshoure is very likely going to run away with the goalline carries and may be just what the Detroit offense is missing. I think Leshoure could be a top 15-20 back even splitting time, due to the explosive offense he's on. If Best gets hurt and/or misses a number of games, Leshoure could easily be a very surprising top 10 running back.
Any other bright ideas!!
 
Another good reason to temper expectations for Ingram is history. Look at the past 5 or 6 years. Rookie RB's haven't done much and the ones that have, pretty much came out of nowhere.Take Ryan Mathews for example. He was drafted 12th overall (the Chargers moved up to get him) and you would think he was in a dream situation with the Chargers having a very good offense. We all know how that turned out.
He got hurt.
Yes, he did, but he wasn't that great when healthy......certainly not "first or second round fantasy draft pick" great where some people were taking him last year.
No. But I like Ingram's value in the 4th or 5th round. I didn't have the opportunity to get Matthews last season. And I never considered Mathews to be in Ingram's league. He most assuredly would have been the top RB pick last season as well.
 
Hey Comfortable, it's easy to be an #### isn't it? It takes a little more work to be nice, you should try it and put in a little more effort.

Each year I try to pinpoint 5 or 6 running backs with adp's above 20 that will surprise and become top 5-10 running backs.

Running back is a position in which the top ten frequently changes from year to year, and being able to lock down a qb and a couple stud WR's in the first three rounds, and then getting stud running backs in rounds 4-8 is a guaranteed way to win your league.

I've historically had pretty good success doing this, pegging Mcfadden and Foster last year, and CJ and Deangelo in 2008.

Also, I'm using the non-ppr ADP from the 8/7 footballguys rankings.

3. Mikel Leshoure --ADP (34). I'm usually hesitant to draft TWO rookies in re-draft, but I think Leshoure is VERY underrated when it comes to his potential. Jahvid Best is explosive and is a playmaker, but at this point there is no reason to think he will be anything more than Reggie Bush or Darren Sproles. I've always liked Best and I DO think he COULD be very good, but you can't ignore the serious injury risks that he carries. Leshoure is very likely going to run away with the goalline carries and may be just what the Detroit offense is missing. I think Leshoure could be a top 15-20 back even splitting time, due to the explosive offense he's on. If Best gets hurt and/or misses a number of games, Leshoure could easily be a very surprising top 10 running back.
Any other bright ideas!!
 
You guys are confusing my original point. Im not saying Ingram isnt the most talented back on that roster. Im saying Peyton doesnt care. He mixes and matches at ALL positions regardless of talent or draft slot. You're point is this is the most talented back Peyton has ever had and that rotation will stop and Ingram will get the majority of the touches. That is where are debate lies. not in the talent level of Ingram which I am not disagreeing with.
shady, Peyton gave up a 1st and a 2nd for Ingram, how do you know Peyton doesn't care?

:popcorn:

 
You guys are confusing my original point. Im not saying Ingram isnt the most talented back on that roster. Im saying Peyton doesnt care. He mixes and matches at ALL positions regardless of talent or draft slot. You're point is this is the most talented back Peyton has ever had and that rotation will stop and Ingram will get the majority of the touches. That is where are debate lies. not in the talent level of Ingram which I am not disagreeing with.
shady, Peyton gave up a 1st and a 2nd for Ingram, how do you know Peyton doesn't care?

:popcorn:
PT is injury prone, Bush was injury prone, Ivory was injury prone. They needed another RB to add to the mix :shrug:
 
5. Willis McGahee (47). McGahee is 29 years old and aging, but he does have 2 1200 yard seasons and 2 10+ TD seasons. Knowshon Moreno has LOST 15 pounds this off-season and really is struggling with his ability to run the ball through the tackles at training camp. McGahee has been very good in Baltimore as Ray Rice's backup. But he should have no problems beating out Moreno, especially with a coaching staff that has nothing invested in Moreno. McGahee doesn't have the upside that some of the above do, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he could carve out an 1100 10TD season in Denver, especially if he has a strong pre-season and establishes himself as the primary runner. If nothing out he will VASTLY outperform his adp, though I am sure this ADP will do nothing but rise during the pre-season.
I'm grabbing McGahee in every league I can. As someone who sat through John Fox coaching the Panthers for many years, I know his style. Just like I told everyone that would listen that Kyle Orton would end up being their Day 1 starter, I feel strongly that McGahee will be the bell-cow RB this season. Fox will run him into the ground. If I can grab him at around the 35th running back spot, I'll gladly grab him.
 
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You guys are confusing my original point. Im not saying Ingram isnt the most talented back on that roster. Im saying Peyton doesnt care. He mixes and matches at ALL positions regardless of talent or draft slot. You're point is this is the most talented back Peyton has ever had and that rotation will stop and Ingram will get the majority of the touches. That is where are debate lies. not in the talent level of Ingram which I am not disagreeing with.
shady, Peyton gave up a 1st and a 2nd for Ingram, how do you know Peyton doesn't care?

:popcorn:
PT is injury prone, Bush was injury prone, Ivory was injury prone. They needed another RB to add to the mix :shrug:
Seriously, it's ok to be wrong sometimes. Don't form your opinions before the discussion, do it afterwards. Sometimes your gut is your gut. Just say that instead of grasping at straws.
 
Hey Comfortable, it's easy to be an #### isn't it? It takes a little more work to be nice, you should try it and put in a little more effort.

Each year I try to pinpoint 5 or 6 running backs with adp's above 20 that will surprise and become top 5-10 running backs.

Running back is a position in which the top ten frequently changes from year to year, and being able to lock down a qb and a couple stud WR's in the first three rounds, and then getting stud running backs in rounds 4-8 is a guaranteed way to win your league.

I've historically had pretty good success doing this, pegging Mcfadden and Foster last year, and CJ and Deangelo in 2008.

Also, I'm using the non-ppr ADP from the 8/7 footballguys rankings.

3. Mikel Leshoure --ADP (34). I'm usually hesitant to draft TWO rookies in re-draft, but I think Leshoure is VERY underrated when it comes to his potential. Jahvid Best is explosive and is a playmaker, but at this point there is no reason to think he will be anything more than Reggie Bush or Darren Sproles. I've always liked Best and I DO think he COULD be very good, but you can't ignore the serious injury risks that he carries. Leshoure is very likely going to run away with the goalline carries and may be just what the Detroit offense is missing. I think Leshoure could be a top 15-20 back even splitting time, due to the explosive offense he's on. If Best gets hurt and/or misses a number of games, Leshoure could easily be a very surprising top 10 running back.
Any other bright ideas!!
Easy there scooter, it's a joke.
 
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You guys are confusing my original point. Im not saying Ingram isnt the most talented back on that roster. Im saying Peyton doesnt care. He mixes and matches at ALL positions regardless of talent or draft slot. You're point is this is the most talented back Peyton has ever had and that rotation will stop and Ingram will get the majority of the touches. That is where are debate lies. not in the talent level of Ingram which I am not disagreeing with.
shady, Peyton gave up a 1st and a 2nd for Ingram, how do you know Peyton doesn't care?

:popcorn:
PT is injury prone, Bush was injury prone, Ivory was injury prone. They needed another RB to add to the mix :shrug:
Seriously, it's ok to be wrong sometimes. Don't form your opinions before the discussion, do it afterwards. Sometimes your gut is your gut. Just say that instead of grasping at straws.
:lmao: I love Shark Pool tough guys. Listen, my entire point from my first post wasnt that Ingram wasnt talented. My entire point was that Peyton likes to rotate players in and out and I dont think Ingram's talent level will change that style of coaching. I could be wrong. Thats why its called an opinion. Its ok to have a difference of opinions. tough guy
 
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'shader said:
Each year I try to pinpoint 5 or 6 running backs with adp's above 20 that will surprise and become top 5-10 running backs.

Running back is a position in which the top ten frequently changes from year to year, and being able to lock down a qb and a couple stud WR's in the first three rounds, and then getting stud running backs in rounds 4-8 is a guaranteed way to win your league.

I've historically had pretty good success doing this, pegging Mcfadden and Foster last year, and CJ and Deangelo in 2008.

Also, I'm using the non-ppr ADP from the 8/7 footballguys rankings.

3. Mikel Leshoure --ADP (34). I'm usually hesitant to draft TWO rookies in re-draft, but I think Leshoure is VERY underrated when it comes to his potential. Jahvid Best is explosive and is a playmaker, but at this point there is no reason to think he will be anything more than Reggie Bush or Darren Sproles. I've always liked Best and I DO think he COULD be very good, but you can't ignore the serious injury risks that he carries. Leshoure is very likely going to run away with the goalline carries and may be just what the Detroit offense is missing. I think Leshoure could be a top 15-20 back even splitting time, due to the explosive offense he's on. If Best gets hurt and/or misses a number of games, Leshoure could easily be a very surprising top 10 running back.
Any other bright ideas!!
what do you got
 
For all you Beanie Wells supporters...

Rotoworld:

"According to NFC West blogger Mike Sando, rookie Ryan Williams "looks like the better pure runner" than Beanie Wells early in Cardinals camp.

Williams' "effortless" cuts have been more impressive than Wells' "straight-line," downhill style, per Sando. We still like Wells as a value pick in the seventh and eighth rounds, but Williams at the very least looks like the primary passing-down back and will begin pushing for early-down carries sooner than later. The situation could easily become a committee by midseason."

 
'comfortably numb said:
'shader said:
Each year I try to pinpoint 5 or 6 running backs with adp's above 20 that will surprise and become top 5-10 running backs.

Running back is a position in which the top ten frequently changes from year to year, and being able to lock down a qb and a couple stud WR's in the first three rounds, and then getting stud running backs in rounds 4-8 is a guaranteed way to win your league.

I've historically had pretty good success doing this, pegging Mcfadden and Foster last year, and CJ and Deangelo in 2008.

Also, I'm using the non-ppr ADP from the 8/7 footballguys rankings.

3. Mikel Leshoure --ADP (34). I'm usually hesitant to draft TWO rookies in re-draft, but I think Leshoure is VERY underrated when it comes to his potential. Jahvid Best is explosive and is a playmaker, but at this point there is no reason to think he will be anything more than Reggie Bush or Darren Sproles. I've always liked Best and I DO think he COULD be very good, but you can't ignore the serious injury risks that he carries. Leshoure is very likely going to run away with the goalline carries and may be just what the Detroit offense is missing. I think Leshoure could be a top 15-20 back even splitting time, due to the explosive offense he's on. If Best gets hurt and/or misses a number of games, Leshoure could easily be a very surprising top 10 running back.
Any other bright ideas!!
what do you got
Leshoure was my idea too... :kicksrock:

 
Wow, seems like a lot of overly sensitive posts in this thread. Relax, everyone. Football is around the corner. I think, or would hope, we are all big boys and can take a little ribbing/joking.

Anyway. Great thread. I think that finding mid round value at RB is the single biggest key to winning in FF.

I love the Ingram and Lynch picks and have been moving both up my board over the last week.

I had yet to form a stong opinion on Leshore but that's a moot point now.

I have never been a fan of Wells and do not expect much at all from McGahee though I can see the arguments for both.

Other names I would throw out there would be:

DeAngelo Williams- Depending on how far he falls in your drafts he could become very good value. IMO, still one of the top 3 or 4 RB talents in the league. Looks to be healthy this year and the Carolina O-line looks healthier as well. Newton's presence as a running threat only helps the RBs and I think both Williams and Stewart offer good value this year.

Ryan Grant- I think people have forgotten about him and many have never been sold on him to begin with. I see a guy who runs hard and is the primary RB on a very potent offense. Early indidcations are that he is healthy and focused. Another good value IMO.

Fred Jackson- Quietly put together a solid campaign last year. I think he's still the clear starter on that team and think that he can improve on his numbers with a full season with Fitzpatrick at QB.

ETA- Daniel Thomas- Still learning about this guy but I think, after Ingram, he has the most chance for success among the rookie RBs. One of the NE guys could emerge too but no idea which one.

 
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You guys are confusing my original point. Im not saying Ingram isnt the most talented back on that roster. Im saying Peyton doesnt care. He mixes and matches at ALL positions regardless of talent or draft slot. You're point is this is the most talented back Peyton has ever had and that rotation will stop and Ingram will get the majority of the touches. That is where are debate lies. not in the talent level of Ingram which I am not disagreeing with.
I think you are right to an extent with Peyton, but I think some of it has been determined by his personnel. In 2006, when New Orleans went to the playoffs, Deuce McAllister had 244 rushes and 30 catches in 13 starts. That is with the rookie sensation, Reggie Bush, on the team. Obviously, Peyton had to use Bush quite a bit or fans would have crucified him (Bush had 155 carries and 68 catches). Deuce was also coming off an injury.I do think the fact that Peyton traded up to get Ingram shows that he likes his talent level. I think Sproles will get 3rd down and change of pace carries but that Peyton will predominantly use Ingram. I think the valid concern about Ingram, which several people have pointed out, is running into the rookie wall. I think he should be fine through week 12, but after that he may wear down. If you go with him as a #1 back, I would make sure I have another option late in the season. In a re-draft league, if he starts out going great and Peyton is playing him alot, you might look to trade him about halfway through the season for a more established dependable back to take you through the end of the season and playoffs.
 

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