Golden Tate fined $21k for block on Sean Lee (1 Viewer)

[Wadsworth]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

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[DA RAIDERS]

bull####

 

[Ladsud]

Cant wait for the 20 thread argument about how the NFL is a game of wimos and sissys now. Proceed.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

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Part of the game.Totally worth it.

He helped his team win, and ultimately both he and the team will probably make more than $21K off that win and maybe that play, one way or another.

NFL: "We do not condone violence." Ok.

Play on.

 

[ImTheScientist]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

So he writes a check to the charity of his choice. That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction. I don't understand why people care if players get fined? Do cowboy fans all the sudden say "HELL YA!!!"...

 

[Short Corner]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

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Part of the game.Totally worth it.

He helped his team win, and ultimately both he and the team will probably make more than $21K off that win and maybe that play, one way or another.

NFL: "We do not condone violence." Ok.

Play on.

Pretty sure they were winning that game with or without the hit.Do you have a link to that quote?

 

[ImTheScientist]

Pretty sure they were winning that game with or without the hit.

They were winning. Do you know how many NFL players/teams saw that hit? Saw all the other hits in that game? Message sent. Its about a mentality. Some teams have it...some don't.

 

[Short Corner]

That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Mr Tate disagrees. That was nearly 2/3 of his game check.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

LINK

Part of the game.Totally worth it.

He helped his team win, and ultimately both he and the team will probably make more than $21K off that win and maybe that play, one way or another.

NFL: "We do not condone violence." Ok.

Play on.

Pretty sure they were winning that game with or without the hit.Do you have a link to that quote?

Ha. No that was sarcasm.I said one way or the other. Listen to the crowd on YouTube at 0:16 - it's plays like that make the players and the NFL money (not the only thing, but one of the things...). Golden Tate's name recognition's gone way up, tell you that much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpEzLr7wJeY

 

[ImTheScientist]

That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Mr Tate disagrees. That was nearly 2/3 of his game check.

Do you care about Tates money? I don't.

 

[Short Corner]

Pretty sure they were winning that game with or without the hit.

They were winning. Do you know how many NFL players/teams saw that hit? Saw all the other hits in that game? Message sent. Its about a mentality. Some teams have it...some don't.

 

[Short Corner]

That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Mr Tate disagrees. That was nearly 2/3 of his game check.

Do you care about Tates money? I don't.

An odd response from someone who made the assumption that the action was worth the fine. Anyway, I don't care about his money either, just pointing out that he probably feels differently.

 

[FarEastKilla]

Let them play NFL, let them play.

 

[Wadsworth]

Pretty sure they were winning that game with or without the hit.

They were winning. Do you know how many NFL players/teams saw that hit? Saw all the other hits in that game? Message sent. Its about a mentality. Some teams have it...some don't.

Consider your message heard, ImTheScientist.

 

[ImTheScientist]

That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Mr Tate disagrees. That was nearly 2/3 of his game check.

Do you care about Tates money? I don't.

An odd response from someone who made the assumption that the action was worth the fine. Anyway, I don't care about his money either, just pointing out that he probably feels differently.

So Tates level of care determines the how valuable that hit was to the game and the team. OK.

 

[whatadai]

Deserved. I'm tired of seeing offensive players do this...too many RBs spear the crown of their helmets into defenders chests like this with a smaller launch in their step and get away with it. Instead of being called dirty like defensive players, they get praised for their tackle breaking ability. Is it part of the game? Yes, but if you're going to penalize defensive players for it, offensive players should be penalized too. Like Steve Johnson's hit on Eric Berry that caused his injury, just speared his helmet into his knee.

 

[Short Corner]

That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Mr Tate disagrees. That was nearly 2/3 of his game check.

Do you care about Tates money? I don't.

An odd response from someone who made the assumption that the action was worth the fine. Anyway, I don't care about his money either, just pointing out that he probably feels differently.

So Tates level of care determines the how valuable that hit was to the game and the team. OK.

He's the one paying the fine.

 

[ImTheScientist]

That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Mr Tate disagrees. That was nearly 2/3 of his game check.

Do you care about Tates money? I don't.

An odd response from someone who made the assumption that the action was worth the fine. Anyway, I don't care about his money either, just pointing out that he probably feels differently.

So Tates level of care determines the how valuable that hit was to the game and the team. OK.

He's the one paying the fine.

Thats correct. Good thing its a team sport.Deep, isn't it.

 

[Short Corner]

That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Mr Tate disagrees. That was nearly 2/3 of his game check.

Do you care about Tates money? I don't.

An odd response from someone who made the assumption that the action was worth the fine. Anyway, I don't care about his money either, just pointing out that he probably feels differently.

So Tates level of care determines the how valuable that hit was to the game and the team. OK.

He's the one paying the fine.

Thats correct. Good thing its a team sport.

So read your own post Corky. You said it was worth every penny of the tax deduction. You think it was worth it from Tate's perspective?

 

[joffer]

Good

 

[ImTheScientist]

That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Mr Tate disagrees. That was nearly 2/3 of his game check.

Do you care about Tates money? I don't.

An odd response from someone who made the assumption that the action was worth the fine. Anyway, I don't care about his money either, just pointing out that he probably feels differently.

So Tates level of care determines the how valuable that hit was to the game and the team. OK.

He's the one paying the fine.

Thats correct. Good thing its a team sport.

So read your own post Corky. You said it was worth every penny of the tax deduction. You think it was worth it from Tate's perspective?

I can't answer for Tate, but neither can you. Im not sure why you want to argue about how Tate feels?? Nobody knows. To me "it was worth every penny of the tax deduction." From a team POV it was worth it, and he gets to donate to the charity of his choice. I guess I should have clarified it for you so you wouldn't pick that sentence out and decide to argue it with me over 10 posts.Do you think its cool to make down syndrome references on message boards? I don't.

 

[mad sweeney]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

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Totally disagree if they're going to use launching as a basis. His feet were on the ground at impact. I was wrong that they'd find it illegal but their reasoning is BS.

 

[Short Corner]

That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Mr Tate disagrees. That was nearly 2/3 of his game check.

Do you care about Tates money? I don't.

An odd response from someone who made the assumption that the action was worth the fine. Anyway, I don't care about his money either, just pointing out that he probably feels differently.

So Tates level of care determines the how valuable that hit was to the game and the team. OK.

He's the one paying the fine.

Thats correct. Good thing its a team sport.

So read your own post Corky. You said it was worth every penny of the tax deduction. You think it was worth it from Tate's perspective?

I can't answer for Tate, but neither can you. Im not sure why you want to argue about how Tate feels?? Nobody knows. To me "it was worth every penny of the tax deduction." From a team POV it was worth it, and he gets to donate to the charity of his choice. I guess I should have clarified it for you so you wouldn't pick that sentence out and decide to argue it with me over 10 posts.Do you think its cool to make down syndrome references on message boards? I don't.

Like I said, read your own post. You know this forum is going down hill fast when posters can't comprehend their own drivel.What the hell does down syndrome have to do with anything?

 

[ImTheScientist]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

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Totally disagree if they're going to use launching as a basis. His feet were on the ground at impact. I was wrong that they'd find it illegal but their reasoning is BS.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/tstamper/tate.jpgI thought that was interesting. Saw it on another forum.

 

[Epic Problem]

Pretty sure they were winning that game with or without the hit.

They were winning. Do you know how many NFL players/teams saw that hit? Saw all the other hits in that game? Message sent. Its about a mentality. Some teams have it...some don't.

This is priceless. The same guy that drops 'no one knows how Tate feels' can also insinuate that he knows how the entire NFL feels.

 

[mad sweeney]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

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Totally disagree if they're going to use launching as a basis. His feet were on the ground at impact. I was wrong that they'd find it illegal but their reasoning is BS.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/tstamper/tate.jpgI thought that was interesting. Saw it on another forum.

I went over that ad nauseum. The helmet hit his chin after contact with the chest and slid up into Lee's chin which was moving downward. Whatever, It's over. He won't get a chance like that again and he's lucky that Lee wasn't looking around to lower his shoulder into Tate.

 

[ImTheScientist]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

LINK

Totally disagree if they're going to use launching as a basis. His feet were on the ground at impact. I was wrong that they'd find it illegal but their reasoning is BS.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/tstamper/tate.jpgI thought that was interesting. Saw it on another forum.

I went over that ad nauseum. The helmet hit his chin after contact with the chest and slid up into Lee's chin which was moving downward. Whatever, It's over. He won't get a chance like that again and he's lucky that Lee wasn't looking around to lower his shoulder into Tate.

He has put a few other hits on guys like that before. He'll just go lower next time I guess. Problem is he was shorter than Lee so he slid up. It was awesome to see....people I was watching the game with went crazy. Nothing like big hits.

 

[sspunisher]

His biggest offense was celebrating after he clearly knocked Lee out.

 

[Bankerguy]

His biggest offense was celebrating after he clearly knocked Lee out.

THISActing like he did something big.Congrats, you a decleated a defenseless player. You are the man.I honestly could care less about the hit or the fine.Just hated the lame celebration of an act not deserving of any praise.

 

[bonesman]

Golden Tate ‏@ShowtimeTate

"12th man thank you for your support thru these financially hard times! I wouldn't change a thing if I could do it all over again other than not hit him as hard."

BOOM! where'd that truck come from! -John Madden

 

[Stinkin Ref]

my take:

1. on a semi broken play like that back across the field...Lee should have had his head on a swivel....this ain't his first rodeo.....he knows this is the type of play people get blown up on....I would be willing to bet that since pee wee football he has delivered a dozen or more of these type of hits himself...on plays that come back across the field like this....it happens ALOT at all levels of football....

2. Tate actually looked like he was attmpting to start low and deliver the blow to the mid section/chest area....the result of the hit made it seem like he hit him higher then he really did...

3. I do not consider this launching in any way on the few looks I took at it....

 

[ImTheScientist]

my take: 1. on a semi broken play like that back across the field...Lee should have had his head on a swivel....this ain't his first rodeo.....he knows this is the type of play people get blown up on....I would be willing to bet that since pee wee football he has delivered a dozen or more of these type of hits himself...on plays that come back across the field like this....it happens ALOT at all levels of football....2. Tate actually looked like he was attmpting to start low and deliver the blow to the mid section/chest area....the result of the hit made it seem like he hit him higher then he really did...3. I do not consider this launching in any way on the few looks I took at it....

and from a ref

 

[Godsbrother]

my take: 1. on a semi broken play like that back across the field...Lee should have had his head on a swivel....this ain't his first rodeo.....he knows this is the type of play people get blown up on....I would be willing to bet that since pee wee football he has delivered a dozen or more of these type of hits himself...on plays that come back across the field like this....it happens ALOT at all levels of football....2. Tate actually looked like he was attmpting to start low and deliver the blow to the mid section/chest area....the result of the hit made it seem like he hit him higher then he really did...3. I do not consider this launching in any way on the few looks I took at it....

Agree but unfortunately this is Goodell's NFL

 

[Warrior]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

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Part of the game.Totally worth it.

He helped his team win, and ultimately both he and the team will probably make more than $21K off that win and maybe that play, one way or another.

NFL: "We do not condone violence." Ok.

Play on.

They would definitely have won with or without that cheap shot...so no.HTH

 

[Warrior]

That hit and the message it sent was worth every penny of that tax deduction.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that Mr Tate disagrees. That was nearly 2/3 of his game check.

Do you care about Tates money? I don't.

An odd response from someone who made the assumption that the action was worth the fine. Anyway, I don't care about his money either, just pointing out that he probably feels differently.

So Tates level of care determines the how valuable that hit was to the game and the team. OK.

He's the one paying the fine.

Thats correct. Good thing its a team sport.

So read your own post Corky. You said it was worth every penny of the tax deduction. You think it was worth it from Tate's perspective?

I can't answer for Tate, but neither can you. Im not sure why you want to argue about how Tate feels?? Nobody knows. To me "it was worth every penny of the tax deduction." From a team POV it was worth it, and he gets to donate to the charity of his choice. I guess I should have clarified it for you so you wouldn't pick that sentence out and decide to argue it with me over 10 posts.Do you think its cool to make down syndrome references on message boards? I don't.

So you think it was worth every penny of Tate's money to you? How does that make any sense?

 

[K172]

When it's deemed legal/illegal by the league, I expect everyone who's argued vociferously to admit they were wrong if they were.

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

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Totally disagree if they're going to use launching as a basis. His feet were on the ground at impact. I was wrong that they'd find it illegal but their reasoning is BS.

Doesn't seem very vociferous, but if you say so.

 

[pwtrash]

Pretty sure they were winning that game with or without the hit.

They were winning. Do you know how many NFL players/teams saw that hit? Saw all the other hits in that game? Message sent. Its about a mentality. Some teams have it...some don't.

Oh please, I'd believe that if it were a guy on defense. They were hitting plenty, and they sent a message. Golden Tate is a little prima donna wanna be. He sent a message - that he's a cheap shot punk. The defense was badass. They were making legal hits and blowing people up. The OLine was unreal, wearing down the Cowboys until they flat-out quit. Those guys were sending a message.Don't embarrass yourself by claiming that Tate's hit represented something other than his immaturity.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Pretty sure they were winning that game with or without the hit.

They were winning. Do you know how many NFL players/teams saw that hit? Saw all the other hits in that game? Message sent. Its about a mentality. Some teams have it...some don't.

Oh please, I'd believe that if it were a guy on defense. They were hitting plenty, and they sent a message. Golden Tate is a little prima donna wanna be. He sent a message - that he's a cheap shot punk. The defense was badass. They were making legal hits and blowing people up. The OLine was unreal, wearing down the Cowboys until they flat-out quit. Those guys were sending a message.Don't embarrass yourself by claiming that Tate's hit represented something other than his immaturity.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Pretty sure they were winning that game with or without the hit.

They were winning. Do you know how many NFL players/teams saw that hit? Saw all the other hits in that game? Message sent. Its about a mentality. Some teams have it...some don't.

Oh please, I'd believe that if it were a guy on defense. They were hitting plenty, and they sent a message. Golden Tate is a little prima donna wanna be. He sent a message - that he's a cheap shot punk. The defense was badass. They were making legal hits and blowing people up. The OLine was unreal, wearing down the Cowboys until they flat-out quit. Those guys were sending a message.Don't embarrass yourself by claiming that Tate's hit represented something other than his immaturity.

dude do you even watch football or talk to anybody that has ever played from pee wee on up to the pros.....?....every player lives for the moment they get to deliver a shot like this....from 12 years old to 40 years old....nothing about that hit makes him immature or a prima dona.....hits like this happen all the time....at all levels....players will tell you they dream about it....it's not cheap...it is a part of the game....and any player that gets any legit amount of playing time can recognize when this can happen to them...and has probably delivered a blow similiar and talked about it for weeks/months/years....and rewatched it 1,000 times themselves...being on the receiving ends sucks....but don't act like it is a cheap play isolated to the Tate's and Ward's of the world....thats why I say Lee's head should have been on a swivel....players know this happens on these plays....had Tate actually launched or went after the head....then maybe theres a problem....I did not see that here....

 

[ImTheScientist]

Pretty sure they were winning that game with or without the hit.

They were winning. Do you know how many NFL players/teams saw that hit? Saw all the other hits in that game? Message sent. Its about a mentality. Some teams have it...some don't.

Oh please, I'd believe that if it were a guy on defense. They were hitting plenty, and they sent a message. Golden Tate is a little prima donna wanna be. He sent a message - that he's a cheap shot punk. The defense was badass. They were making legal hits and blowing people up. The OLine was unreal, wearing down the Cowboys until they flat-out quit. Those guys were sending a message.Don't embarrass yourself by claiming that Tate's hit represented something other than his immaturity.

dude do you even watch football or talk to anybody that has ever played from pee wee on up to the pros.....?....every player lives for the moment they get to deliver a shot like this....from 12 years old to 40 years old....nothing about that hit makes him immature or a prima dona.....hits like this happen all the time....at all levels....players will tell you they dream about it....it's not cheap...it is a part of the game....and any player that gets any legit amount of playing time can recognize when this can happen to them...and has probably delivered a blow similiar and talked about it for weeks/months/years....and rewatched it 1,00 times...thats why I say Lee's head should have been on a swivel....players know this happens on these plays....had Tate actually launched or went after the head....then maybe theres a problem....I did not see that here....

He is from Texas...don't get too mad. He's use to watching the finesse game the Cowboys play. He's clearly in denial from week two.

 

[Wadsworth]

More from PFT: Tate hit on Lee clearly violated “blindside” block protections

"In that situation, blocking the guy is permitted. But because Lee was regarded as “defenseless,” Tate was prohibited from hitting Lee in the helmet or neck, hitting Lee with Tate’s helmet, and/or launching into Lee. The video shows Tate going helmet-to-chin on Lee. If Tate had merely dropped a shoulder into Lee’s chest, there would have been no violation."

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[ImTheScientist]

More from PFT: Tate hit on Lee clearly violated “blindside” block protections

"In that situation, blocking the guy is permitted. But because Lee was regarded as “defenseless,” Tate was prohibited from hitting Lee in the helmet or neck, hitting Lee with Tate’s helmet, and/or launching into Lee. The video shows Tate going helmet-to-chin on Lee. If Tate had merely dropped a shoulder into Lee’s chest, there would have been no violation."

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So the NFL is saying its Tates fault Lee has poor field awareness. I find that odd.

 

[sho nuff]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

LINK

Totally disagree if they're going to use launching as a basis. His feet were on the ground at impact. I was wrong that they'd find it illegal but their reasoning is BS.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/tstamper/tate.jpgI thought that was interesting. Saw it on another forum.

Interesting that you find a picture before the moment of impact as evidence.That and it points out how he was using his helmet to block (not only dangerous for the guy he is blocking but for himself too).

 

[DoubleG]

Maybe the Bears could use him at LT. At least he blocks.

 

[Wadsworth]

Maybe the Bears could use him at LT. At least he blocks.

Plus if Cutler pushed Tate, there might be some action.

 

[DoubleG]

Maybe the Bears could use him at LT. At least he blocks.

Plus if Cutler pushed Tate, there might be some action.

If Tate blocks like that for his QB, Cutler wouldn't have to "Jay-bump" him.

 

[FDC]

More from PFT: Tate hit on Lee clearly violated “blindside” block protections

"In that situation, blocking the guy is permitted. But because Lee was regarded as “defenseless,” Tate was prohibited from hitting Lee in the helmet or neck, hitting Lee with Tate’s helmet, and/or launching into Lee. The video shows Tate going helmet-to-chin on Lee. If Tate had merely dropped a shoulder into Lee’s chest, there would have been no violation."

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So the NFL is saying its Tates fault Lee has poor field awareness. I find that odd.

No the NFL is saying that when a player has poor filed awareness, they take it easy on them. I don't have a problem with that. A less violent block would of been as effective.

 

[jsharlan]

Not surprised at the fine, still think it was just a great football play. Tate won't lose any sleep over it.

 

[ImTheScientist]

"The league office says the block was illegal because Tate launched himself into Lee, striking him in the chest and chin with the crown of his helmet."

LINK

Totally disagree if they're going to use launching as a basis. His feet were on the ground at impact. I was wrong that they'd find it illegal but their reasoning is BS.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y62/tstamper/tate.jpgI thought that was interesting. Saw it on another forum.

Interesting that you find a picture before the moment of impact as evidence.That and it points out how he was using his helmet to block (not only dangerous for the guy he is blocking but for himself too).

I said I found it interesting. Obviously he hit him low but traveled up as he hit him and his helmet hit his chin. I disagree he used his helmet to block. Looks more like he lead with his shoulder http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17zc1bjh0sfz1gif/original.gif , then again we may disagree, everyone see's different things.The main issue I have with the ruling is that Lee was "defenseless".

 

[K172]

Not surprised at the fine, still think it was just a great football play. Tate won't lose any sleep over it.

This is a good point. Football players are great at managing their money and tend to keep it long after their careers are over. They also never like to buy expensive things. Tate's pre-tax game check is ~34K, so 21K is nothing - Tate won't notice that 60+% of his check is gone.Nothing to see here.