Gonzalez, Beckett, Crawford to LA (1 Viewer)

[Borat]

That is all I am drunk

 

[Daywalker]

Don't think any of the players the Dodgers got could get similar contracts if they were FA's right now.

Beckett with two years left on deal moving to a pitcher's park in the N.L. is not a bad move. LA should have been content to have just absorbed that contract, kept their prospects and passed on Gonzo and Crawford.

Crawford was overpaid when he signed the deal and now he's two mediocre years removed.

 

[Raider Nation]

I don't believe it.

 

[Eephus]

Punto hasn't approved the deal yet

 

[PatsWillWin]

Gordon Edes says this is going to get finalized on Saturday. I have no idea how the Red Sox are able to unload all of this salary and actually get prospects in return. Seems too good to be true. Crawford has to be one of the worst signings in recent history.

 

[Furious Styles]

The un-Theoing of the Red Sox. There are also rumblings that they could see action on Ellsbury and Lester.

 

[whoknew]

Gordon Edes says this is going to get finalized on Saturday. I have no idea how the Red Sox are able to unload all of this salary and actually get prospects in return. Seems too good to be true. Crawford has to be one of the worst signings in recent history.

Are the Red Sox picking up any of the salaries?Why would the Dodgers do this? There has to be a better way to spend that money.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

Deal is done, the Red Sox will pay the the Dodgers $12M... Love it.

 

[Balco]

Deal is done, the Red Sox will pay the the Dodgers $12M... Love it.

Unreal. I was resigned to the fact we were stuck with the current roster makeup for the next 3 years. Which would be fine if the veterans of the team weren't whining babies who focused on anything but baseball. Huge talent downgrade and will keep the Sox near the cellar for at least the next year or so. But now they can rebuild. Lackey comes off the books after next season as well.The Sox need to approach Boras about an Ellsbury extension. If the demands are sky high, which is probably what will happen, they need to field offers. Same with Lester.There is a lot of work to be done.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Why would they trade Gonzalez? They do get top prospect Webster back but they also get James Loney which offsets any possible gain with De La Rosa and Webster. Plus they trade future HOFer Nick Punto.

To me the Red Sox are now paying for all the dickmittentry of their fans over the last nine years.

 

[whoknew]

Why would they trade Gonzalez? They do get top prospect Webster back but they also get James Loney which offsets any possible gain with De La Rosa and Webster. Plus they trade future HOFer Nick Punto.

To me the Red Sox are now paying for all the dickmittentry of their fans over the last nine years.

Probably because that was the only way to ditch Beckett and Crawford.

 

[Balco]

Why would they trade Gonzalez? They do get top prospect Webster back but they also get James Loney which offsets any possible gain with De La Rosa and Webster. Plus they trade future HOFer Nick Punto.To me the Red Sox are now paying for all the dickmittentry of their fans over the last nine years.

Loney is a free agent after this year, I believe.Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership. He is going to really help LA.

 

[Serenity Now]

Gonzalez wants to be a 9-5er. He lacks a real competitive edge. If he can put up his numbers, he's a happy guy. As long as there's no pressure to be World Series bound, he'll be fine. Seems like a nice enough guy but he doesn't have that hunger to win.

 

[Da Guru]

Great deal for the RedSox..hard to believe they got out of Crawfords contract while he is injured..and Gozo does seem mentally weak for the AL. Now the Sox can go after some real players.

Gonzo and Crawford thrived in a small market..Boston was too much for them. The LA fans and press are much more laid back.

 

[Borat]

I don't believe it.

Swear to god. I can't drink beer anymore (can't have gluten), so I have to stick with hard cider. I love the pumpkin beers this time of year, and was bummed out that I can't have them anymore. But yesterday, I discovered Woodchuck Pumpkin hard cider, and I was really excited about that. So I bought a 12 pack and drank them all (they were just okay). That wasn't enough, so then I had some whiskey. I finished my bottle of whiskey (there wasn't much left), and then had to resort to vanilla schnapps on the rocks. It was by no means the best night of drinking ever, but I nevertheless got drunk. I'm surprised you doubt me.

 

[Raider Nation]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

 

[Epic Problem]

dickmittentry

 

[David Yudkin]

Why would they trade Gonzalez? They do get top prospect Webster back but they also get James Loney which offsets any possible gain with De La Rosa and Webster. Plus they trade future HOFer Nick Punto.To me the Red Sox are now paying for all the dickmittentry of their fans over the last nine years.

Even chipping in $12M, the Sox get out from under $250 million in contract obligations. Getting anything or anyone back that could do anything would be a bonus.It will be interesting to see what they do with having some liquid equity back. If they go over pay for marginal players again, the fans will revolt.

 

[Boston]

Gonzalez wants to be a 9-5er. He lacks a real competitive edge. If he can put up his numbers, he's a happy guy. As long as there's no pressure to be World Series bound, he'll be fine. Seems like a nice enough guy but he doesn't have that hunger to win.

Agreed...very good player but not the type of guy I want to invest 20 mil per year in in a city like Boston...he'll probably light it up in LA but I think it's a good move dealing him if they use his money wisely...getting rid of Beckett under any scenario is a plus and had to be done iof they were to fix this sinking ship...as for Crawford, I can't believe they were able to get rid of his contract...he was a bad fit from the beginning and his contract was a complete disaster...the Sox need a complete makeover and this deal is a huge step in that direction...

 

[Balco]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

He doesn't have to be a leader.

 

[Raider Nation]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

He doesn't have to be a leader.

Some guys are natural leaders. Some aren't. Boston knew exactly what they were getting.

 

[Borat]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

Because he's paid a ton of money and he's maybe the best player on the team.I could be mistaken, but I don't think the Red Sox have had any team captains since Varitek retired.

 

[Eephus]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

He doesn't have to be a leader.

Some guys are natural leaders. Some aren't. Boston knew exactly what they were getting.

Teams need some leadership but not everybody needs to be one. I'll take Adrian Gonzalez over Kevin Millar at 1B and I'll find a leader from one of the other roster slots.

 

[Raider Nation]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

He doesn't have to be a leader.

Some guys are natural leaders. Some aren't. Boston knew exactly what they were getting.

Teams need some leadership but not everybody needs to be one. I'll take Adrian Gonzalez over Kevin Millar at 1B and I'll find a leader from one of the other roster slots.

 

[shadyridr]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

Because he's paid a ton of money and he's maybe the best player on the team.I could be mistaken, but I don't think the Red Sox have had any team captains since Varitek retired.

yeah its been a whole year since he retired.

 

[Borat]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

He doesn't have to be a leader.

Some guys are natural leaders. Some aren't. Boston knew exactly what they were getting.

Teams need some leadership but not everybody needs to be one. I'll take Adrian Gonzalez over Kevin Millar at 1B and I'll find a leader from one of the other roster slots.

Or you could take Millar at 1B over Gonzalez and find a great hitter from one of the other roster spots.

 

[Borat]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

Because he's paid a ton of money and he's maybe the best player on the team.I could be mistaken, but I don't think the Red Sox have had any team captains since Varitek retired.

yeah its been a whole year since he retired.

That definitely changes the fact that there are no team captains this year. Solid posting.

 

[Raider Nation]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

Because he's paid a ton of money and he's maybe the best player on the team.I could be mistaken, but I don't think the Red Sox have had any team captains since Varitek retired.

yeah its been a whole year since he retired.

That definitely changes the fact that there are no team captains this year. Solid posting.

Learn to laugh at yourself now and then. You'll be more endearing.

 

[Borat]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

Because he's paid a ton of money and he's maybe the best player on the team.I could be mistaken, but I don't think the Red Sox have had any team captains since Varitek retired.

yeah its been a whole year since he retired.

That definitely changes the fact that there are no team captains this year. Solid posting.

Learn to laugh at yourself now and then. You'll be more endearing.

Are you serious? I probably have more self deprecating posts on this forum than anyone.

 

[Raider Nation]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

Because he's paid a ton of money and he's maybe the best player on the team.I could be mistaken, but I don't think the Red Sox have had any team captains since Varitek retired.

yeah its been a whole year since he retired.

That definitely changes the fact that there are no team captains this year. Solid posting.

Learn to laugh at yourself now and then. You'll be more endearing.

Are you serious? I probably have more self deprecating posts on this forum than anyone.

Just saying. It's not like you typed "The Sox haven't had a team captain since Ted Williams."shady has a point.

 

[Borat]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

Because he's paid a ton of money and he's maybe the best player on the team.I could be mistaken, but I don't think the Red Sox have had any team captains since Varitek retired.

yeah its been a whole year since he retired.

That definitely changes the fact that there are no team captains this year. Solid posting.

Learn to laugh at yourself now and then. You'll be more endearing.

Are you serious? I probably have more self deprecating posts on this forum than anyone.

Just saying. It's not like you typed "The Sox haven't had a team captain since Ted Williams."shady has a point.

You implied that Gonzalez didn't need to be a leader because managers and team captains are leaders. I pointed out that the Red Sox don't have a team captain. How long they've been without a captain is more or less irrelevant; the fact remains that the team hasn't had one in 2012.If Shady has a point, I'd love for someone to unpack it for me.

 

[Raider Nation]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

Because he's paid a ton of money and he's maybe the best player on the team.I could be mistaken, but I don't think the Red Sox have had any team captains since Varitek retired.

yeah its been a whole year since he retired.

That definitely changes the fact that there are no team captains this year. Solid posting.

Learn to laugh at yourself now and then. You'll be more endearing.

Are you serious? I probably have more self deprecating posts on this forum than anyone.

Just saying. It's not like you typed "The Sox haven't had a team captain since Ted Williams."shady has a point.

You implied that Gonzalez didn't need to be a leader because managers and team captains are leaders. I pointed out that the Red Sox don't have a team captain. How long they've been without a captain is more or less irrelevant; the fact remains that the team hasn't had one in 2012.If Shady has a point, I'd love for someone to unpack it for me.

Nope, we're good. Your mission is to be combative no matter what anyone else says. Got it.

 

[Borat]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

Because he's paid a ton of money and he's maybe the best player on the team.I could be mistaken, but I don't think the Red Sox have had any team captains since Varitek retired.

yeah its been a whole year since he retired.

That definitely changes the fact that there are no team captains this year. Solid posting.

Learn to laugh at yourself now and then. You'll be more endearing.

Are you serious? I probably have more self deprecating posts on this forum than anyone.

Just saying. It's not like you typed "The Sox haven't had a team captain since Ted Williams."shady has a point.

You implied that Gonzalez didn't need to be a leader because managers and team captains are leaders. I pointed out that the Red Sox don't have a team captain. How long they've been without a captain is more or less irrelevant; the fact remains that the team hasn't had one in 2012.If Shady has a point, I'd love for someone to unpack it for me.

Nope, we're good. Your mission is to be combative no matter what anyone else says. Got it.

My mission was to explain why people are disappointed in Gonzalez's leadership (or lack thereof). Sorry if I've said something to offend you.In the absence of a team captain, others are expected to be leaders. Generally speaking, those "others" are usually the teams best (and subsequently highest paid) players.

I think you (and probably everyone else in this thread) know sports well enough to understand how that works.

 

[Raider Nation]

And my point was that Gonzalaz has never been known as a leader. Why should the Red Sox or anyone else expect it to be different in Boston?

He shows up and plays well every day. He doesn't get paid to be a cheerleader.

 

[Borat]

Sensitive bunch here today. It's Saturday. The grill is heating up outside. There's a 12 pack in the fridge. The Sox just unloaded a bunch of contracts that everyone thought they'd be stuck with for the foreseeable future. The Pats kick off in a couple of weeks, and it looks to be another solid season. It's a beautiful New England summer day outside. To those I've offended (Raider Nation and Shady in particular) - I apologize. Sincerely. Have a great day, everyone - love & hugs to all of you.

 

[Borat]

And my point was that Gonzalaz has never been known as a leader. Why should the Red Sox or anyone else expect it to be different in Boston?

He shows up and plays well every day. He doesn't get paid to be a cheerleader.

They very well could have made a poor assumption that he'd take on more of a leadership role. Or maybe they just didn't expect to need him to be a leader - I don't know. Either way, recent events would certainly suggest that if leadership was expected, they had the wrong guy.I was just trying to explain why people were disappointed - right or wrong (and I agree; most likely, wrong).

 

[shadyridr]

Gonzalez was the price. Great player, really disappointed in his leadership.

I keep hearing this. Why exactly does he need to be a leader?He's paid to hit and field. He did both exceptionally well. Managers and team captains are leaders.

Because he's paid a ton of money and he's maybe the best player on the team.I could be mistaken, but I don't think the Red Sox have had any team captains since Varitek retired.

yeah its been a whole year since he retired.

That definitely changes the fact that there are no team captains this year. Solid posting.

Learn to laugh at yourself now and then. You'll be more endearing.

Are you serious? I probably have more self deprecating posts on this forum than anyone.

Just saying. It's not like you typed "The Sox haven't had a team captain since Ted Williams."shady has a point.

You implied that Gonzalez didn't need to be a leader because managers and team captains are leaders. I pointed out that the Red Sox don't have a team captain. How long they've been without a captain is more or less irrelevant; the fact remains that the team hasn't had one in 2012.If Shady has a point, I'd love for someone to unpack it for me.

you basically said the sox havent had a team captain since last year. if you need help unpacking that then you got problems

 

[shadyridr]

fyi borat. baseball isnt hockey. not all teams have captains. yankee captain before derek jeter was donnie baseball. before that was munson. the fact that the sox dont have a captain since LAST YEAR is really irrelevant.

 

[Eephus]

Nick Punto was born to lead

 

[Borat]

I don't understand the confusion here. I really don't.

Raider Nation: Gonzalez doesn't need to be a leader because managers and captains are leaders

Borat: The Red Sox don't have a captain

HTH

 

[Borat]

fyi borat. baseball isnt hockey. not all teams have captains. yankee captain before derek jeter was donnie baseball. before that was munson. the fact that the sox dont have a captain since LAST YEAR is really irrelevant.

When RN says that Gonzalez doesn't need to be a leader because managers and captains are leaders, then yes, it is totally relevant that the 2012 Red Sox don't have a captain.How long it's been since the Sox last had a captain has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. I have no idea why you are dwelling on this.

 

[Raider Nation]

I don't understand the confusion here. I really don't.Raider Nation: Gonzalez doesn't need to be a leader because managers and captains are leadersBorat: The Red Sox don't have a captainHTH

"In general"... not just "for the Red Sox".HTH right back atcha.

 

[Borat]

I don't understand the confusion here. I really don't.Raider Nation: Gonzalez doesn't need to be a leader because managers and captains are leadersBorat: The Red Sox don't have a captainHTH

"In general"... not just "for the Red Sox".HTH right back atcha.

My mistake. I thought we were specifically talking about Adrian Gonzalez and his role on the Red Sox.

 

[Raider Nation]

I don't understand the confusion here. I really don't.Raider Nation: Gonzalez doesn't need to be a leader because managers and captains are leadersBorat: The Red Sox don't have a captainHTH

"In general"... not just "for the Red Sox".HTH right back atcha.

My mistake. I thought we were specifically talking about Adrian Gonzalez and his role on the Red Sox.

Hope you didn't misunderstand the part about the manager then. The Sox have one of those, right?

 

[David Yudkin]

So did the Dodgers find hidden treasure or break into the Mint? They are taking on A TON of future contracts.

 

[Borat]

So did the Dodgers find hidden treasure or break into the Mint? They are taking on A TON of future contracts.

Gonzalez is Gonzalez. They got a great player, and I don't think anyone disputes that.I think Crawford is going to prove people wrong and rebound into the type of player he was for Tampa. Honestly, I know I am in the minority here, but I am a little bummed out to see him go.I could see Beckett going either way. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson, and he'll rebound. I have no idea how good the prospects are that are coming to Boston, but in the end, I think this trade is going to work out well for LA.

 

[Borat]

I don't understand the confusion here. I really don't.

Raider Nation: Gonzalez doesn't need to be a leader because managers and captains are leaders

Borat: The Red Sox don't have a captain

HTH

"In general"... not just "for the Red Sox".HTH right back atcha.

My mistake. I thought we were specifically talking about Adrian Gonzalez and his role on the Red Sox.

Hope you didn't misunderstand the part about the manager then. The Sox have one of those, right?

Not exactly, but I will always love Bobby V.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I can't believe the Dodgers did this. I love it as a Sox fan. Sad to see Gonzalez go, but everyone was planning on watching this Crawford for like 5 more years, and it was a matter of time before some fan stabbed Josh Beckett in the face on the street. I feel like the team just took a huge dump this morning, and man does it feel satisfying.

I would've been a fan of this deal without getting the prospects.

 

[David Yudkin]

I would've been a fan of this deal without getting the prospects.

Which makes me wonder why the Dodgers even offered the Sox the prospects in the first place. They claimed them on waivers and could had said we'll take the bloated contracts and all 4 guys off your hands for nothing. The fact Boston got anything back is gravy.

 

[Balco]

I would've been a fan of this deal without getting the prospects.

Which makes me wonder why the Dodgers even offered the Sox the prospects in the first placed. They claimed them on waivers and could had said we'll take the bloated contracts and all 4 guys off your hands for nothing. The fact Boston got anytihng back is gravy.

No idea what the gm was thinking in regards to the prospects. Not saying they are all going to pan out, but there are some high end prospects included by the Dodgers. I have never seen a salary dump deal like this where the team dumping salary got legitimate prospects.