Good buy low candidate? (1 Viewer)

[Joe T]

People will be willing to part with this top tier QB now for almost nothing. Trade for this guy while you can as its all upside at this point. I'm predicting he plays at least 12 games this season and if you can get him for almost nothing, you should do it.

People will be trying to dump him based on fear alone and not want to be left holding a worthless player.

Vick still has some decent value. Go get him!

 

[RedRaiders]

For leagues that have special bonuses for running QBs - what is his ADP right now? In my one league we get 2pts per 10 yards qb rushing. I am actively trying to trade for Vick. He ran for over 1k yards last year!

 

[Ozymandias]

I think his defense lawyer will get the prosecutors to call off the hounds.

 

[John Mamula]

People will be willing to part with this top tier QB now for almost nothing. Trade for this guy while you can as its all upside at this point. I'm predicting he plays at least 12 games this season and if you can get him for almost nothing, you should do it.People will be trying to dump him based on fear alone and not want to be left holding a worthless player.Vick still has some decent value. Go get him!

I have a source that tells me Goodell is running Vick for the 2007 season.:wtfpwn3d:

 

[Sputnikv8]

I think his defense lawyer will get the prosecutors to call off the hounds.

...nice

 

[Stealthycat]

he worthless for 2007 and maybe beyond, not worth a roser spot IMO

 

[Kenlin]

He was just dropped in a dynasty league I play in. As far as I know the guy didn't even try to trade him, he just flat out dropped him.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

People will be willing to part with this top tier QB now for almost nothing. Trade for this guy while you can as its all upside at this point. I'm predicting he plays at least 12 games this season and if you can get him for almost nothing, you should do it.

People will be trying to dump him based on fear alone and not want to be left holding a worthless player.

Vick still has some decent value. Go get him!

Key in bold. I would probably deal any QB out of my dynasty top 15 for him, assuming that that QB wasn't my best QB. I am wondering if Vick will become a pariah and Blank will decide he's so toxic that he deserves to be cut. Then the question becomes which owner is willing to take on the PR nightmare and change their whole offensive gameplan and future for Vick, and the list of candidates might be short. There does seem to be some chance that Vick's value is permanently damaged by this scandal.

 

[Joe T]

He was just dropped in a dynasty league I play in. As far as I know the guy didn't even try to trade him, he just flat out dropped him.

This is the exact case I'm talking about.I would pick him up immediately, if not sooner.

 

[tomarken]

I think his defense lawyer will get the prosecutors to call off the hounds.

Or if not, Vick can just electrocute, hang, drown, or beat the hounds to death himself.

 

[3C's]

He was just dropped in a dynasty league I play in. As far as I know the guy didn't even try to trade him, he just flat out dropped him.

Good for him. I don't care how far he drops in my league, I won't draft him.

 

[Zoomanji]

Great pick-up for the Convicts vs Guards game.

 

[sholditch]

I don't really see the point of drafting someone who will never play another down in the NFL again. Why not draft Priest Holmes or Marhsall Faulk instead. At least they're good guys.

 

[Warhogs]

Wow. Maybe you are right. I was actually going to post that I doubt he is a great buy low because owners would have too much invested in him to just ship him off for nothing. Maybe that is not the case?

 

[Stealthycat]

There does seem to be some chance high probablility that Vick's value is permanently damaged by this scandal.

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[Angus82]

He's overrated. I don't like the way that Ronnie Mexico has been dogging it this off-season!!!

 

[sholditch]

First off, this trial, with everything that it currently entails and everything it will entail when it's over, will take about two years. Remember they haven't even gone to trial yet, this is just a grand jury to decide if the prosecutors have enough to go forward, and they will decide that they do. At that point the prosecutors can go straight to trial or choose to enlarge their case by gathering more evidence. If Vick's kennels that he owns in Georgia aren't brought into this I'll eat my hat. Anyway, he won't be able to play during those two years because he will need all his time to deal with this. This is not a simple case and will be a very complicated defense that will require a lot of Vick's time, if he doesn't plead guilty to reduce his sentence. He doesn't appear to be bright so I doubt he will do that. So right there, assuming no suspension, which is ludicrous, you're looking at 1-2 years removed from the game for a guy that has never thrown above 60%. Then, there is the fact that feds have a 95% conviction rate. Assuming he is convicted, which is a safe assumption given the %s, Vick could be looking at anywhere from 3-20 years in jail. If you are thinking he'll provide some value this year until things get bad, at least wait until the end of the week. If no suspensions come down this week, then Goodell is likely going to wait for a verdict. If he's not (my money) then it should come swiftly.

 

[-OZ-]

First off, this trial, with everything that it currently entails and everything it will entail when it's over, will take about two years. Remember they haven't even gone to trial yet, this is just a grand jury to decide if the prosecutors have enough to go forward, and they will decide that they do. At that point the prosecutors can go straight to trial or choose to enlarge their case by gathering more evidence. If Vick's kennels that he owns in Georgia aren't brought into this I'll eat my hat. Anyway, he won't be able to play during those two years because he will need all his time to deal with this. This is not a simple case and will be a very complicated defense that will require a lot of Vick's time, if he doesn't plead guilty to reduce his sentence. He doesn't appear to be bright so I doubt he will do that. So right there, assuming no suspension, which is ludicrous, you're looking at 1-2 years removed from the game for a guy that has never thrown above 60%. Then, there is the fact that feds have a 95% conviction rate. Assuming he is convicted, which is a safe assumption given the %s, Vick could be looking at anywhere from 3-20 years in jail. If you are thinking he'll provide some value this year until things get bad, at least wait until the end of the week. If no suspensions come down this week, then Goodell is likely going to wait for a verdict. If he's not (my money) then it should come swiftly.

I doubt this. Sure, he'll be distracted and the case will take a fair amount of his time, but the lawyers will be doing the work, not Vick.

 

[Angus82]

There does seem to be some chance high probablility that Vick's value is permanently damaged by this scandal.

There is a very good chance that he NEVER plays again. His cousin, who happened to live at the house in question, IS NOT on the indictment. Did he roll for the Feds?? Mike is screwed and so is your team unless you are willing to take a chance in the last round.

 

[Rounders]

What are the odds, that one of the other 3 will "come forward" and claim 100% total responsibility and therefore "clear" Vick in the case?

 

[3C's]

What are the odds, that one of the other 3 will "come forward" and claim 100% total responsibility and therefore "clear" Vick in the case?

0% chance

 

[Stealthycat]

What are the odds, that one of the other 3 will "come forward" and claim 100% total responsibility and therefore "clear" Vick in the case?

I doubt that is possible ........ Animal Rights Groups are putting HUGE pressure on here, along with everyone else even the fans are hating Vick at this point IMONobody wants Vick on the field as the ATL QB do they ?

 

[flufhed]

What are the odds, that one of the other 3 will "come forward" and claim 100% total responsibility and therefore "clear" Vick in the case?

I would say pretty good. Was thinking about this the other day. Vick's money can buy alot of help in this regard. The other guys are screwed anyway. We'll see.

 

[Pipes]

I don't really see the point of drafting someone who will never play another down in the NFL again. Why not draft Priest Holmes or Marhsall Faulk instead. At least they're good guys.

This scenario is much more likely than Vick playing in 12 games this year.

 

[Brewzers]

First off, this trial, with everything that it currently entails and everything it will entail when it's over, will take about two years. Remember they haven't even gone to trial yet, this is just a grand jury to decide if the prosecutors have enough to go forward, and they will decide that they do. At that point the prosecutors can go straight to trial or choose to enlarge their case by gathering more evidence. If Vick's kennels that he owns in Georgia aren't brought into this I'll eat my hat. Anyway, he won't be able to play during those two years because he will need all his time to deal with this. This is not a simple case and will be a very complicated defense that will require a lot of Vick's time, if he doesn't plead guilty to reduce his sentence. He doesn't appear to be bright so I doubt he will do that. So right there, assuming no suspension, which is ludicrous, you're looking at 1-2 years removed from the game for a guy that has never thrown above 60%. Then, there is the fact that feds have a 95% conviction rate. Assuming he is convicted, which is a safe assumption given the %s, Vick could be looking at anywhere from 3-20 years in jail. If you are thinking he'll provide some value this year until things get bad, at least wait until the end of the week. If no suspensions come down this week, then Goodell is likely going to wait for a verdict. If he's not (my money) then it should come swiftly.

This is a Federal indictment! You don't just get off. You take whatever plea bargain is offered, if any. I would be very, very surprised if Goodell doesn't suspend Vick. He didn't wait for a conviction to suspend PacMan. Even if the NFL decides not to suspend Vick, I can't imagine the Falcons bringing on the PR nightmare tsunami that certainly will come their way by putting him on the field. Michael Vick's NFL career is over.

 

[sholditch]

First off, this trial, with everything that it currently entails and everything it will entail when it's over, will take about two years. Remember they haven't even gone to trial yet, this is just a grand jury to decide if the prosecutors have enough to go forward, and they will decide that they do. At that point the prosecutors can go straight to trial or choose to enlarge their case by gathering more evidence. If Vick's kennels that he owns in Georgia aren't brought into this I'll eat my hat. Anyway, he won't be able to play during those two years because he will need all his time to deal with this. This is not a simple case and will be a very complicated defense that will require a lot of Vick's time, if he doesn't plead guilty to reduce his sentence. He doesn't appear to be bright so I doubt he will do that. So right there, assuming no suspension, which is ludicrous, you're looking at 1-2 years removed from the game for a guy that has never thrown above 60%. Then, there is the fact that feds have a 95% conviction rate. Assuming he is convicted, which is a safe assumption given the %s, Vick could be looking at anywhere from 3-20 years in jail. If you are thinking he'll provide some value this year until things get bad, at least wait until the end of the week. If no suspensions come down this week, then Goodell is likely going to wait for a verdict. If he's not (my money) then it should come swiftly.

I doubt this. Sure, he'll be distracted and the case will take a fair amount of his time, but the lawyers will be doing the work, not Vick.

This is not a Kobe Bryant "he said she said" trial or something as simple as a drug deal, like Lewis. It won't matter anyway. If Goodell doesn't suspend him Blank will. Rather than argue this I'll just wait until I'm proven right on Friday.

 

[OCC]

There does seem to be some chance high probablility that Vick's value is permanently damaged by this scandal.

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He's a top 10 dynasty QB.So lets say, being aggressive, he gets 8 games. Get 30 days in jail. All which should be well and done by March 2008. Does Vick still have a job?

Bahaha. Are you kidding? The guy is a money machine. Falcons NEVER sold out like they did with Vick. Still one of the most exciting players in the game. And lets not overact to his crimes.

McMike attempts to run over a woman, who is pregnant! Beats up women. Artest beats up women, gets 7 game suspension. NFL guys get drunk, run over and kill people. Kobe rapes a pink toe. Portis doesn't even think it’s a big deal.

Lots and lots of people fight dogs. Like Portis said, in the south, it’s everywhere. McMike is a POS, who's hobby is to beat up women. Ehhh, who cares, he has upside as a TE with the Rams! Yyayya!

So if people with worse crimes, are still playing in the NFL, Vick isn't going anywhere. So he's starting in 2008, troubles behind him, and suddenly he falls from top 10 dynasty QB, to dynasty QB 50?

People like to get all worked up. Tank Johnson gets his body guard killed from yapping his big mouth, has m16s, pit bulls next to his kids, and he's a hot FA pickup.

In 2008, this will have no impact on Vicks FF value. 2007, it's still not clear. He could very easily play all year, not get suspended, and face some jail time in the offseason. Regardless, the Falcons are not going to destroy the franchise to punish Vick. They'd take a 30mil cap hit if they cut him. Do you realize they'd have to gut the team just to cut him? Probably cut 6-8 players at LEAST. And in 2008, he's paid his price, he's a starting QB in the NFL.

Vick will be hit and miss this year, with lots of risk. But Dynasty? He takes a small hit, but last time I checked, Vick still has 4.3 speed and a canon arm. 30 days in jail and an 8 game suspension won't change that.

 

[OCC]

This is a Federal indictment! You don't just get off. You take whatever plea bargain is offered, if any. I would be very, very surprised if Goodell doesn't suspend Vick. He didn't wait for a conviction to suspend PacMan. Even if the NFL decides not to suspend Vick, I can't imagine the Falcons bringing on the PR nightmare tsunami that certainly will come their way by putting him on the field. Michael Vick's NFL career is over.

ROFL.You are utterly insane.How was the PR hit when the Dolphins played a TE who likes to run over pregnant WOMEN. Has beatup up multiple women. Oh the PR fervor. Or not.There are much worse people, who have been convicted of much worse, playing in the NFL. Tank Johnson? The guy is a hot FA pickup! The Titans still won't cut Pacman, and he might be at camp!Bahahahhahahaha.You guys are hilarious. If Pacman is a top 10 CB, there will be 27-28 teams lining up to grab him cheap. You really think if Vick is cut, he's going to sit on the market? *lol* Vick will have another starting job before he reaches his car. Anyway the Falcons can't cut him. A 30m cap hit would devastate the team.

 

[Couch Potato]

He was just dropped in a dynasty league I play in. As far as I know the guy didn't even try to trade him, he just flat out dropped him.

Good for him. I don't care how far he drops in my league, I won't draft him.

I have him in one of my 11 leagues, a dynasty league I took over before last year began. Vick was already on the team.In our scoring system, he was the #2 QB to Manning last year and helped me to a division title.I was taking a wait-and-see approach to the whole dog fighting thing until yesterday. I had actually hoped he really was just an innocent provider of the home and was unaware of what was going on there, and ESPN had fooled me into believing he would be unaffected. Foolishly, I had even made a couple of 'buy low' offers in other leagues for him based on this thinking. Luckily for me, both offers were rejected.I read the entire indictment yesterday and was sickened. I concluded I want nothing to do with this guy, and sent an email out to the league I own him in, telling them I'd have Vick on the trading block for 2 days and the best offer gets him. So far, not a peep. My leaguemates may be reading this, but I don't care. If I get no offers, I cut him. It has nothing to do with whether I think he'll play 16 games this year or never play again. Even if I were certain he'd play all year, I'd still cut him. I want no association with him and don't want to see his name on my roster, period.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

What are the odds, that one of the other 3 will "come forward" and claim 100% total responsibility and therefore "clear" Vick in the case?

I would say pretty good. Was thinking about this the other day. Vick's money can buy alot of help in this regard. The other guys are screwed anyway. We'll see.

What about the guy who lives in the house, yet wasn't named in the indictment. THink he might have something to say to the Feds about all of their involvement?

 

[3C's]

He was just dropped in a dynasty league I play in. As far as I know the guy didn't even try to trade him, he just flat out dropped him.

Good for him. I don't care how far he drops in my league, I won't draft him.

I have him in one of my 11 leagues, a dynasty league I took over before last year began. Vick was already on the team.In our scoring system, he was the #2 QB to Manning last year and helped me to a division title.I was taking a wait-and-see approach to the whole dog fighting thing until yesterday. I had actually hoped he really was just an innocent provider of the home and was unaware of what was going on there, and ESPN had fooled me into believing he would be unaffected. Foolishly, I had even made a couple of 'buy low' offers in other leagues for him based on this thinking. Luckily for me, both offers were rejected.I read the entire indictment yesterday and was sickened. I concluded I want nothing to do with this guy, and sent an email out to the league I own him in, telling them I'd have Vick on the trading block for 2 days and the best offer gets him. So far, not a peep. My leaguemates may be reading this, but I don't care. If I get no offers, I cut him. It has nothing to do with whether I think he'll play 16 games this year or never play again. I want no association with him and don't want to see his name on my roster, period.

 

[Angus82]

What are the odds, that one of the other 3 will "come forward" and claim 100% total responsibility and therefore "clear" Vick in the case?

I would say pretty good. Was thinking about this the other day. Vick's money can buy alot of help in this regard. The other guys are screwed anyway. We'll see.

What about the guy who lives in the house, yet wasn't named in the indictment. THink he might have something to say to the Feds about all of their involvement?

Yes I am a jerk. I mentioned this 11 POSTS AGO!!! Vick's rear end will look like a cherry lifesaver when the Fed's get done with him.

 

[quickhands]

I am an ex-Vick owner.

I just cut him. Whoever wants him can have him.

I don't want to look at his name on my roster. I don't care if it costs me my championship.

I like dogs, I don't like dog fighting.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

[What about the guy who lives in the house, yet wasn't named in the indictment. THink he might have something to say to the Feds about all of their involvement?

Yes I am a jerk. I mentioned this 11 POSTS AGO!!! Vick's rear end will look like a cherry lifesaver when the Fed's get done with him.

Sorry, Angus, I missed that you had mentioned this before I did. Was listening to Roger Cossack (sp?) talking about it a ittle earlier.

 

[Couch Potato]

I am an ex-Vick owner.

I just cut him. Whoever wants him can have him.

I don't want to look at his name on my roster. I don't care if it costs me my championship.

I like dogs, I don't like dog fighting.

Yep, it's just that simple for me too. FF is for fun, and it'd be no fun being reminded of this whole ugly thing every time I look at my roster. No thanks.

 

[simey]

What are the odds, that one of the other 3 will "come forward" and claim 100% total responsibility and therefore "clear" Vick in the case?

The Feds already have witnesses that have implicated Vick.

 

[the_sig]

There does seem to be some chance high probablility that Vick's value is permanently damaged by this scandal.

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He's a top 10 dynasty QB.So lets say, being aggressive, he gets 8 games. Get 30 days in jail. All which should be well and done by March 2008. Does Vick still have a job?

Bahaha. Are you kidding? The guy is a money machine. Falcons NEVER sold out like they did with Vick. Still one of the most exciting players in the game. And lets not overact to his crimes.

McMike attempts to run over a woman, who is pregnant! Beats up women. Artest beats up women, gets 7 game suspension. NFL guys get drunk, run over and kill people. Kobe rapes a pink toe. Portis doesn't even think it’s a big deal.

Lots and lots of people fight dogs. Like Portis said, in the south, it’s everywhere. McMike is a POS, who's hobby is to beat up women. Ehhh, who cares, he has upside as a TE with the Rams! Yyayya!

So if people with worse crimes, are still playing in the NFL, Vick isn't going anywhere. So he's starting in 2008, troubles behind him, and suddenly he falls from top 10 dynasty QB, to dynasty QB 50?

People like to get all worked up. Tank Johnson gets his body guard killed from yapping his big mouth, has m16s, pit bulls next to his kids, and he's a hot FA pickup.

In 2008, this will have no impact on Vicks FF value. 2007, it's still not clear. He could very easily play all year, not get suspended, and face some jail time in the offseason. Regardless, the Falcons are not going to destroy the franchise to punish Vick. They'd take a 30mil cap hit if they cut him. Do you realize they'd have to gut the team just to cut him? Probably cut 6-8 players at LEAST. And in 2008, he's paid his price, he's a starting QB in the NFL.

Vick will be hit and miss this year, with lots of risk. But Dynasty? He takes a small hit, but last time I checked, Vick still has 4.3 speed and a canon arm. 30 days in jail and an 8 game suspension won't change that.

I gotta say I think you are wrong here with your analysis.

You compare Vick's current situation to that of Randy McMichael? I think what you are failing to grasp here is McMike is not the face of a franchise, and not a marketing machine for the NFL like Vick. Do I think McMike's crimes are any worse or better than those alleged of Vick? It doesn't matter. The court of public opinion is unfortunately all that really matters here. Sure, Vick will have his day in court, but that will be long after the media has shredded him and he has lost a significant portion of his economic value to both the NFL and the Falcons. You also mention the Falcon's can't cut him due to cap implications?? Since when has that ever been a reason a team can't or won't deal with a player? As I mentioned, the NFL and Falcons will quickly realize that the cost of making the Vick issue go away ($30 mil cap hit, or whatever the real number is) versus the lost revenues from advertising/promotional agreements/ticket sales in this situation make this a fairly simple business decision. It may be a painful decision, but one that I suppose they will realize fairly quickly depending on how things play out in the court of public opinion within the next few days. If this story stays on the front page, with national coverage and maintains pressure from national groups like PETA and the Humane Society calling for boycotts, etc.., Vick won't stand a chance at maintaining his economic value to the NFL & Falcons, which ultimately is far more valuable than his actual football playing ability.

 

[OCC]

I am an ex-Vick owner.

I just cut him. Whoever wants him can have him.

I don't want to look at his name on my roster. I don't care if it costs me my championship.

I like dogs, I don't like dog fighting.

Yep, it's just that simple for me too. FF is for fun, and it'd be no fun being reminded of this whole ugly thing every time I look at my roster. No thanks.

Wow you only draft moral, god fearing NFLers?I'd love to see your roster.

I'm sure you have 2-3 wife beaters on your team, but hey, they were probably asking for it.

 

[simey]

I am an ex-Vick owner.

I just cut him. Whoever wants him can have him.

I don't want to look at his name on my roster. I don't care if it costs me my championship.

I like dogs, I don't like dog fighting.

Yep, it's just that simple for me too. FF is for fun, and it'd be no fun being reminded of this whole ugly thing every time I look at my roster. No thanks.

Wow you only draft moral, god fearing NFLers?I'd love to see your roster.

I'm sure you have 2-3 wife beaters on your team, but hey, they were probably asking for it.

He never said he only drafted moral God fearing NFLers. He stated why he doesn't want Vick on his team, so why are you being condscending to him? Was he not clear enough for you?

 

[dapunisher]

Some of you guys are being downright silly with the self righteousness. "That POS will never earn a spot on any of my rosters"

Silly.

I'm with OCC.

 

[Stealthycat]

OCC pick Vick up and feel good about it if you want but times are a changing in the NFL

owners hate thugs

commishioner comes down heavy on thugs

fans hate thugs

thugs = bad publicity for league, owners, cities etc

Goodell is cleaning up the NFL, I've got a feeling Vick will be his poster child

One FF magazine I have says that the owner and coach of the ATL falcons demand clean images, that image is everything. Vick is just the opposite right now. Something will give - do you really think it WON'T be Vick who comes out on the wrong side of this ?

ATL fans will be proud to see him go now IMO

 

[Stealthycat]

Some of you guys are being downright silly with the self righteousness. "That POS will never earn a spot on any of my rosters"

I will not root for a POS guy - ever - and having him on my FF means I would be doing just that on Sunday afternoons

 

[Mystery Achiever]

Some of you guys are being downright silly with the self righteousness. "That POS will never earn a spot on any of my rosters"Silly. I'm with OCC.

i posted that i would draft him ( if i thought he'd play and be productive) and i am not with either of you. you are the only ones i see being self-righteous. the others have quietly stated what they personally can live with and have not called out others for feeling differently. it is a question of personal views and ethics.

 

[OCC]

I am an ex-Vick owner.

I just cut him. Whoever wants him can have him.

I don't want to look at his name on my roster. I don't care if it costs me my championship.

I like dogs, I don't like dog fighting.

Yep, it's just that simple for me too. FF is for fun, and it'd be no fun being reminded of this whole ugly thing every time I look at my roster. No thanks.

Wow you only draft moral, god fearing NFLers?I'd love to see your roster.

I'm sure you have 2-3 wife beaters on your team, but hey, they were probably asking for it.

He never said he only drafted moral God fearing NFLers. He stated why he doesn't want Vick on his team, so why are you being condscending to him? Was he not clear enough for you?

Why am I being condescending?Actually, I was implying he's a hypocrite.

The NFL is full of guys who have been involved with beating up women, involved in drugs, assaults, weapon charges, rape.

But dog fighting? That's where he takes his moral stance in fantasy football?

You can overlook McMike beating up women, trying to run over a pregnant woman, but Vick was involved with dog fighting? Ahhh protect the children! The terrorists have won!

It's frankly hilarious.

 

[OCC]

Some of you guys are being downright silly with the self righteousness. "That POS will never earn a spot on any of my rosters"Silly. I'm with OCC.

i posted that i would draft him ( if i thought he'd play and be productive) and i am not with either of you. you are the only ones i see being self-righteous. the others have quietly stated what they personally can live with and have not called out others for feeling differently. it is a question of personal views and ethics.

Exactly.So I asked to see his roster full of players he morally feels aligned with. Just for fun of course.

 

[tomarken]

There does seem to be some chance high probablility that Vick's value is permanently damaged by this scandal.

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He's a top 10 dynasty QB.So lets say, being aggressive, he gets 8 games. Get 30 days in jail. All which should be well and done by March 2008. Does Vick still have a job?

Bahaha. Are you kidding? The guy is a money machine. Falcons NEVER sold out like they did with Vick. Still one of the most exciting players in the game. And lets not overact to his crimes.

McMike attempts to run over a woman, who is pregnant! Beats up women. Artest beats up women, gets 7 game suspension. NFL guys get drunk, run over and kill people. Kobe rapes a pink toe. Portis doesn't even think it’s a big deal.

Lots and lots of people fight dogs. Like Portis said, in the south, it’s everywhere. McMike is a POS, who's hobby is to beat up women. Ehhh, who cares, he has upside as a TE with the Rams! Yyayya!

So if people with worse crimes, are still playing in the NFL, Vick isn't going anywhere. So he's starting in 2008, troubles behind him, and suddenly he falls from top 10 dynasty QB, to dynasty QB 50?

People like to get all worked up. Tank Johnson gets his body guard killed from yapping his big mouth, has m16s, pit bulls next to his kids, and he's a hot FA pickup.

In 2008, this will have no impact on Vicks FF value. 2007, it's still not clear. He could very easily play all year, not get suspended, and face some jail time in the offseason. Regardless, the Falcons are not going to destroy the franchise to punish Vick. They'd take a 30mil cap hit if they cut him. Do you realize they'd have to gut the team just to cut him? Probably cut 6-8 players at LEAST. And in 2008, he's paid his price, he's a starting QB in the NFL.

Vick will be hit and miss this year, with lots of risk. But Dynasty? He takes a small hit, but last time I checked, Vick still has 4.3 speed and a canon arm. 30 days in jail and an 8 game suspension won't change that.

I gotta say I think you are wrong here with your analysis.

You compare Vick's current situation to that of Randy McMichael? I think what you are failing to grasp here is McMike is not the face of a franchise, and not a marketing machine for the NFL like Vick. Do I think McMike's crimes are any worse or better than those alleged of Vick? It doesn't matter. The court of public opinion is unfortunately all that really matters here. Sure, Vick will have his day in court, but that will be long after the media has shredded him and he has lost a significant portion of his economic value to both the NFL and the Falcons. You also mention the Falcon's can't cut him due to cap implications?? Since when has that ever been a reason a team can't or won't deal with a player? As I mentioned, the NFL and Falcons will quickly realize that the cost of making the Vick issue go away ($30 mil cap hit, or whatever the real number is) versus the lost revenues from advertising/promotional agreements/ticket sales in this situation make this a fairly simple business decision. It may be a painful decision, but one that I suppose they will realize fairly quickly depending on how things play out in the court of public opinion within the next few days. If this story stays on the front page, with national coverage and maintains pressure from national groups like PETA and the Humane Society calling for boycotts, etc.., Vick won't stand a chance at maintaining his economic value to the NFL & Falcons, which ultimately is far more valuable than his actual football playing ability.

Also, I don't remember hearing anywhere that he's looking at a 30-day jail sentence.

 

[Couch Potato]

I am an ex-Vick owner.

I just cut him. Whoever wants him can have him.

I don't want to look at his name on my roster. I don't care if it costs me my championship.

I like dogs, I don't like dog fighting.

Yep, it's just that simple for me too. FF is for fun, and it'd be no fun being reminded of this whole ugly thing every time I look at my roster. No thanks.

Wow you only draft moral, god fearing NFLers?I'd love to see your roster.

I'm sure you have 2-3 wife beaters on your team, but hey, they were probably asking for it.

He never said he only drafted moral God fearing NFLers. He stated why he doesn't want Vick on his team, so why are you being condscending to him? Was he not clear enough for you?

Thank you Simey.OCC, we all make our own choices, we all decide for ourselves what matters to us. I'll make mine, you make yours, and I won't tell you how you should think.

 

[Angus82]

I am an ex-Vick owner.

I just cut him. Whoever wants him can have him.

I don't want to look at his name on my roster. I don't care if it costs me my championship.

I like dogs, I don't like dog fighting.

Yep, it's just that simple for me too. FF is for fun, and it'd be no fun being reminded of this whole ugly thing every time I look at my roster. No thanks.

Wow you only draft moral, god fearing NFLers?I'd love to see your roster.

I'm sure you have 2-3 wife beaters on your team, but hey, they were probably asking for it.

He never said he only drafted moral God fearing NFLers. He stated why he doesn't want Vick on his team, so why are you being condscending to him? Was he not clear enough for you?

Maybe I am out of line or hijacking the thread but I have to respond. It is too bad that we have to have this discussion. These guys have the world by the cajones and yet they choose to go ghetto. If Mike Vick is so tough, go into ultimate fighting. If Mike Vick is so tough, grab an M-16 and go to Iraq. Mike Vick is a wannabe tough guy.

 

[OCC]

I gotta say I think you are wrong here with your analysis.You compare Vick's current situation to that of Randy McMichael? I think what you are failing to grasp here is McMike is not the face of a franchise, and not a marketing machine for the NFL like Vick. Do I think McMike's crimes are any worse or better than those alleged of Vick? It doesn't matter. The court of public opinion is unfortunately all that really matters here. Sure, Vick will have his day in court, but that will be long after the media has shredded him and he has lost a significant portion of his economic value to both the NFL and the Falcons. You also mention the Falcon's can't cut him due to cap implications?? Since when has that ever been a reason a team can't or won't deal with a player? As I mentioned, the NFL and Falcons will quickly realize that the cost of making the Vick issue go away ($30 mil cap hit, or whatever the real number is) versus the lost revenues from advertising/promotional agreements/ticket sales in this situation make this a fairly simple business decision. It may be a painful decision, but one that I suppose they will realize fairly quickly depending on how things play out in the court of public opinion within the next few days. If this story stays on the front page, with national coverage and maintains pressure from national groups like PETA and the Humane Society calling for boycotts, etc.., Vick won't stand a chance at maintaining his economic value to the NFL & Falcons, which ultimately is far more valuable than his actual football playing ability.

Which is worse? Dog fighting or beating up women?Are you kidding me? Are you even reading what you're typing? Seriously, you need to get a grip on your life.So wait, an average TE can go beating up women, who cares, he's not a star. But a QB commits a lesser crime, and he's banished from your FF roster? Get him out of the league? And you don't know the south, Georgia, or Atlanta. Dog fighting is VERY common. Like Portis said, he can show you dog fight after dog fight if you come back to his home town. Vick will still have lots of support. People don't care about what kind a person they are. They want to be entertained. Is anyone really leaving the NFL because of TO? Moss? Tank Johnson? PacMan? How many Titan fans are boycotting the Titans? Come on. Lets not get excited.And no, Vick isn't getting cut. He's not a huge $$$ liability. In fact, he'll still be a huge draw, and still sell lots of jerseys. People always overrated the moral effect on business along with sports. In general, scumbags still find jobs, and still make massive amounts of money. Frankly people just want to be entertained, and could care less that player X beats women for fun.The only thing that really matters is wins, sad but true.

 

[Pipes]

I am an ex-Vick owner.

I just cut him. Whoever wants him can have him.

I don't want to look at his name on my roster. I don't care if it costs me my championship.

I like dogs, I don't like dog fighting.

Yep, it's just that simple for me too. FF is for fun, and it'd be no fun being reminded of this whole ugly thing every time I look at my roster. No thanks.

Wow you only draft moral, god fearing NFLers?I'd love to see your roster.

I'm sure you have 2-3 wife beaters on your team, but hey, they were probably asking for it.

He never said he only drafted moral God fearing NFLers. He stated why he doesn't want Vick on his team, so why are you being condscending to him? Was he not clear enough for you?

Why am I being condescending?Actually, I was implying he's a hypocrite.

The NFL is full of guys who have been involved with beating up women, involved in drugs, assaults, weapon charges, rape.

But dog fighting? That's where he takes his moral stance in fantasy football?

You can overlook McMike beating up women, trying to run over a pregnant woman, but Vick was involved with dog fighting? Ahhh protect the children! The terrorists have won!

It's frankly hilarious.

Whose defending McMichael here? This thread is about punk ### Michael Vick.