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GOP Platform: War Without End (1 Viewer)

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GOP Platform: War Without End

http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2015/02/26/gop-platform-war-without-end/

If the sadists of ISIS are seeking with their mass executions, child rapes, immolations, and beheadings of Christians to stampede us into a new war in the Middle East, they are succeeding.

Repeatedly snapping the blood-red cape of terrorist atrocities in our faces has the Yankee bull snorting, pawing the ground, ready to charge again.

Nearly three-quarters of Republicans now favor sending ground troops into combat against the Islamic State, says a CBS News poll. The poll was cited in a New York Times story about how the voice of the hawk is ascendant again in the GOP.

In April or May 2015, said a Pentagon briefer last week, the Iraqi Army will march north to recapture Mosul from the Islamic State.

On to Mosul! On to Raqqa!

Yet, who, exactly, will be taking Mosul?

According to Rowan Scarborough ofThe Washington Times, the U.S. general who trained the Iraqi army says Mosul is a mined, booby-trapped city, infested with thousands of suicide fighters.

Any Iraqi army attack this spring would be doomed.

Translation: Either US troops lead, or Mosul remains in ISIS hands.

Yet taking Mosul is only the beginning. Scores of thousands of troops will be needed to defeat and destroy ISIS in Syria.

And eradicating ISIS is but the first of the wars Republicans have in mind. This coming week, at the invitation of Speaker John Boehner, Bibi Netanyahu will address a joint session of Congress.

His message: Obama and John Kerry are bringing back a rotten deal that will ensure Iran acquires nuclear weapons and becomes an existential threat to Israel. Congress must repudiate Obamas deal, impose new sanctions on Iran and terminate the appeasement talks.

Should Bibi and his Republican allies succeed in closing the ramp to a diplomatic solution, we will be on the road to war.

Which is where Bibi wants us.

To him, Iran is the Nazi Germany of the 21st century, hell-bent on a new Holocaust. A US war that does to the Ayatollahs Iran what a US war did to Hitlers Germany would put Bibi in the history books as the Israeli Churchill.

But if Republicans scuttle the Iranian negotiations by voting new sanctions, Iran will take back the concessions it has made, and we are indeed headed for war. Which is where Sen. Lindsey Graham, too, now toying with a presidential bid, wants us to be.

In 2010, Sen. Graham declared: Instead of a surgical strike on [irans] nuclear infrastructure were to the point now that you have to really neuter the regimes ability to wage war against us and our allies. [We must] destroy the ability of the regime to strike back.

If Congress scuttles the nuclear talks, look for Congress to next write an authorization for the use of military force on Iran.

Today, the entire Shiite Crescent Iran, Iraq, Bashar Assads Syria, Hezbollah is fighting ISIS. All these Shiites are de facto allies in any war against ISIS. But should we attack Iran, they will become enemies.

And what would war with Iran mean for US interests?

With its anti-ship missiles and hundreds of missile boats, Iran could imperil our fleet in the Persian Gulf and Arabian Sea. The Gulf could be closed to commercial shipping by a sinking or two.

Hezbollah could go after the US embassy in Beirut. The Green Zone in Baghdad could come under attack by Shiite militia loyal to Iran.

Would Assads army join Irans fight against America?

It surely would if America listened to those Republicans who now say we must bring down Assad to convince Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Arabs to join the fight against ISIS.

By clashing with Iran, we would make enemies of Damascus and Baghdad and the Shiite militias in Iraq and Beirut battling ISIS today in the hope that, tomorrow, the conscientious objectors of the Sunni world Turks, Saudis, Gulf Arabs might come and fight beside us.

Listen for long to GOP foreign policy voices, and you can hear calls for war on ISIS, al-Qaida, Boko Haram, the Houthi rebels, the Assad regime, the Islamic Republic of Iran, to name but a few.

Are we to fight them all? How many US troops will be needed? How long will all these wars take? What will the Middle East look like after we crush them all? Who will fill the vacuum if we go? Or must we stay forever?

Nor does this exhaust the GOP war menu.

Enraged by Vladimir Putins defiance, Republicans are calling for US weapons, trainers, even troops, to be sent to Ukraine and Moldova.

Says John Bolton, himself looking at a presidential run, Most of the Republican candidates or prospective candidates are heading in the right direction; theres one whos headed in the wrong direction.

That would be Rand Paul, who prefers Arab boots on the ground.

 
Seems like an extreme article from an extreme site. It's all a bit over the top.

I don't think no deal with Iran puts us closer to a war than a weak deal. Special forces support for the Arab forces fighting Syria is technically boots on the ground, but we already have that anyway. The talk of putting American troops in Ukraine is pretty limited.

 
Do you switch back and forth with the Jim profile, or just keep two different browsers open? I would think it would get confusing to do it all in the same browser?

 
This is really unfortunate but bear in mind our current and past SOS voted for the declaration of war on Iraq. Our current president just asked for another one and he asked for a second against Syria, just as many as Bush asked for.

And imagining this is a GOP only thing is pretty ridiculous, when you realize that when we were not attacking "them" in the mid to late 90s under Clinton they were attacking "us", and when you realize that Obama has been prosecuting war in Afghanistan and in Iraq (yes, we have continued to bomb even after withdrawing troops and yes bombing equals warfare) and engaging in regime change in Libya (note to all, US planes bombed Qadaffi's convoy as he left Tripoli, folks we took out Qaddafi). And again even when we were not attacking we were being attacked (Benghazi).

And this is also unfortunate but we have been in a cold or hot war with the mideast and Asia Minor since Afghanistan early 1980s. And it just so happens that the west turned its corner from theocracy and "Christendom" after the Hundred Years War. Folks we have been at it for 30 years now. Thirty years.

 
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This is really unfortunate but bear in mind our current and past SOS voted for the declaration of war on Iraq. Our current president just asked for another one and he asked for a second against Syria, just as many as Bush asked for.

And imagining this is a GOP only thing is pretty ridiculous, when you realize that when we were not attacking "them" in the mid to late 90s under Clinton they were attacking "us", and when you realize that Obama has been prosecuting war in Afghanistan and in Iraq (yes, we have continued to bomb even after withdrawing troops and yes bombing equals warfare) and engaging in regime change in Libya (note to all, US planes bombed Qadaffi's convoy as he left Tripoli, folks we took out Qaddafi). And again even when we were not attacking we were being attacked (Benghazi).

And this is also unfortunate but we have been in a cold or hot war with the mideast and Asia Minor since Afghanistan early 1980s. And it just so happens that the west turned its corner from theocracy and "Christendom" after the Hundred Years War. Folks we have been at it for 30 years now. Thirty years.
I agree that beating the war drums hasn't been unique to the Republican Party the past thirty plus years, but the GOP base tends to be more receptive to that message than the Democrat base. Do you think that the thirty plus year war situation that you note is necessary in today's world?

 
Seems like an extreme article from an extreme site. It's all a bit over the top.
What is extreme about a site that opposes war?
I think a lot of people oppose war. I wouldn't consider that an extreme position to take. Unrealistic at times, but not extreme.

The site however seems to take a hyperbolic tone when describing pro-war aspects or sentiments. At least in the articles I looked at.

 
Seems like an extreme article from an extreme site. It's all a bit over the top.
What is extreme about a site that opposes war?
I think a lot of people oppose war. I wouldn't consider that an extreme position to take. Unrealistic at times, but not extreme.

The site however seems to take a hyperbolic tone when describing pro-war aspects or sentiments. At least in the articles I looked at.
Compared to the vast government-media complex, antiwar.com is barely a blip on the radar When it comes to hyperbole.

 
This is really unfortunate but bear in mind our current and past SOS voted for the declaration of war on Iraq. Our current president just asked for another one and he asked for a second against Syria, just as many as Bush asked for.

And imagining this is a GOP only thing is pretty ridiculous, when you realize that when we were not attacking "them" in the mid to late 90s under Clinton they were attacking "us", and when you realize that Obama has been prosecuting war in Afghanistan and in Iraq (yes, we have continued to bomb even after withdrawing troops and yes bombing equals warfare) and engaging in regime change in Libya (note to all, US planes bombed Qadaffi's convoy as he left Tripoli, folks we took out Qaddafi). And again even when we were not attacking we were being attacked (Benghazi).

And this is also unfortunate but we have been in a cold or hot war with the mideast and Asia Minor since Afghanistan early 1980s. And it just so happens that the west turned its corner from theocracy and "Christendom" after the Hundred Years War. Folks we have been at it for 30 years now. Thirty years.
I agree that beating the war drums hasn't been unique to the Republican Party the past thirty plus years, but the GOP base tends to be more receptive to that message than the Democrat base.Do you think that the thirty plus year war situation that you note is necessary in today's world?
The GOP base has been receptive but the Democratic base hasn't exactly been hostile towards its own president pumping his bona fides when he claims to be fighting a "good" war or wars (Afghanistan, Iraq-ISIL, Syria, Libya, WOT/drones) as opposed to a "dumb" war (Iraq-Insurgency). He reminds me a little of Jack Kennedy who also felt like he had to push the envelope when it came to communism in Cuba and Vietnam and other areas in the third world.

I don't know that the word "necessary" is the thing because we can look back at a series of missteps that have led us to where we are, and even before the 1980s. None of it was "necessary" in my opinion. That is, it didn't have to happen.

We are in a real briar patch right now, somehow we find ourselves in the mess that the Brits and French and Israelis had been in for decades, I mean here we are, we are in it.

 
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Violent Middle Eastern fundamentalist groups play us like fish. They know exactly what we're afraid of and how best to provoke us into spending thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on actions that leave us no better off than before we spent either.

Yes, 30 years of it. I won't comment on the linked column but it really might be time for us to consider some radical new approaches. The "nuke 'em" element really needs to go away.

 
NO REMORSE

NO REPENT

WE DONT CARE

WHAT IT MEANT

ANOTHER DAY

ANOTHER DEATH

ANOTHER SORROW

ANOTHER BREATH

WAR WITHOUT END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
Violent Middle Eastern fundamentalist groups play us like fish. They know exactly what we're afraid of and how best to provoke us into spending thousands of lives and trillions of dollars on actions that leave us no better off than before we spent either.

Yes, 30 years of it. I won't comment on the linked column but it really might be time for us to consider some radical new approaches. The "nuke 'em" element really needs to go away.
Well put.

 
GOP Platform: THE OPPOSITE OF WHATEVER OBAMA IS DOING AT THE MOMENT
Because most of the #### he's doing is illegal.
Most actions were set by (bad) precedent before. Republicans have had ample time and power to reign in the power of the executive when they had it. Their whining now is pathetic.
Because Democrats believe executive power should never be reined in?

That doesn't sound right.

 
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FlapJacks said:
urbanhack said:
America loves war regardless of who is in office.
America doesn't like war, but when somebody starts trouble, America definitely want to put a boot in their ###
For half of Americans the instinctual reaction to any perceived threat is "Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".

 
Jack White said:
MaxThreshold said:
urbanhack said:
America loves war regardless of who is in office.
Not really, but the "sensitivity training and a hug" foreign policy put forth by Democrats to solve problems never seems to work.
Is "sensitivity training and a hug" code for drone strikes?
Drone strikes aren't going to cut it. That's "meh" warfare. There's only one way to take these guys out - and it isn't with drones.

 
Jack White said:
MaxThreshold said:
urbanhack said:
America loves war regardless of who is in office.
Not really, but the "sensitivity training and a hug" foreign policy put forth by Democrats to solve problems never seems to work.
Is "sensitivity training and a hug" code for drone strikes?
Drone strikes aren't going to cut it. That's "meh" warfare. There's only one way to take these guys out - and it isn't with drones.
If only there were a secular leader in the region to rein in all of these extremist groups.

 

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