Gore v. Barber (1 Viewer)

[Apollo Creed]

Haven't seen much discussion on Gore the past week, and I'm really torn between him and Barber at the 6. Don't want to get flamed for this being a "Who Should I Pick?" thread, so I'll put my line of thought out there. (I'm talking about a 1 pt. PPR league.)

Gore- Positives; he's the feature back, he's great at catching the ball, has elite talent. Martz in town means defenses can't key solely on him. Negatives; line should be shady, wr's are suspect, who knows what's going on with the QB (JTO for now, but who knows if that lasts). Unless there is a drastic turn-around for the team overall, scoring chances won't be very high. Martz in town, who knows how many carries he'll get a game.

Barber- Positives; on a far superior team, very strong runner, gets all the goal line work, great at catching the ball as well. Negatives; Felix Jones, has never been a feature back.

I feel that Barber is the safer choice of the two, I just don't see how he can surpass expectations. He got all the goal line work last season, so I don't see him breaking out for a substantially higher amount of TD's than last season. I also think that Jones will really cut into his receiving totals, which is huge in PPR set-up.

IMO, Gore has the higher upside in PPR formats, but the supporting cast scares the bejesus out of me.

 

[greyone]

Gore in a ppr. Barber in non ppr.

Both foster and Jones/choice are legit factors.

Romos passing targets over Barber are serious fantasy players. Gore aint got jack behind him.

Gore and Barber are ballers...no doubt. Gore in PPR with the edge.

Following rankings and shift of rankings.

Gore has fallen in non ppr leagues...but his ppr value rank is steady at 5 or five give or take 1 spot.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I'm definitely leaning towards Gore in PPR, but I've heard so much nay saying that it's making me rethink Gore. I guess all the negative talk is coming from people in standard scoring leagues?

 

[go jints]

I expect I will be deciding between those two in a PPR league this weekend.

I do not think you can go wrong either way but I am leaning towards Barber because I want a sure thing with my first round pick and while I think Gore may have a little more upside I think he also has a lower floor.

Also I think Barber will be more consitent. Week in week out with the quality of the Dallas offense and offensive line Barber should put up solid numbers. But SF with a journeymen QB and a new offense will likely have some lower scoring games where the offense does little.

Tough choice and I don't think either one is a bad option but Barber is my guy.

 

[Katism]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=415924

 

[HF21]

Uhoh...what about a 1/2PPR?

 

[Apollo Creed]

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=415924

Thanks, I already read that thread. I know the OG poster asked about Gore over Barber in a PPR, but it wasn't really addressed in the thread. That's what I'm trying to get an opinion on here.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Uhoh...what about a 1/2PPR?

MBIII in any format. Guys make it sound like MBIII has stone hands or something.... hes a great checkdown target. I expect about 30 to 40 Recs from MBIII

 

[thehornet]

gore by a mile in ppr.

gore by a smidge in non-ppr.

 

[Oscar]

I had the choice with both of them with the sixth overall pick and went with Gore because of the PPR.

Also had the choice between both of them where we only get .5 ppr and decided to with Barber. If we received 1ppr, I probably would have went with Gore but overall, I think its really close regardless because of Barber's TD opportunities and Gore's percieved lack of.

 

[slayer666]

Marion Barber regardless of format.

The Cowboys have the better quarterback, offensive line, receivers, tight end. When in doubt, go with the better offense.

 

[baconisgood]

Uhoh...what about a 1/2PPR?

MBIII in any format. Guys make it sound like MBIII has stone hands or something.... hes a great checkdown target. I expect about 30 to 40 Recs from MBIII

Why the regression from Barber? He had 44 last year I'm looking for 50-55 this year.

 

[gman74]

Barber by a mile in ppr.Barber in non-ppr.

Fixed

 

[menobrown]

In PPR I've got Gore rated well above Barber and even over Adrian Peterson at #4 overall with a lack of TD's being the only reason Gore is not higher than #4. Gore is going to catch over 80 passes and he'll be running against one of the easiest RB schedules in the NFL.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Uhoh...what about a 1/2PPR?

MBIII in any format. Guys make it sound like MBIII has stone hands or something.... hes a great checkdown target. I expect about 30 to 40 Recs from MBIII

Why the regression from Barber? He had 44 last year I'm looking for 50-55 this year.

even better

 

[switz]

Uhoh...what about a 1/2PPR?

MBIII in any format. Guys make it sound like MBIII has stone hands or something.... hes a great checkdown target. I expect about 30 to 40 Recs from MBIII

Why the regression from Barber? He had 44 last year I'm looking for 50-55 this year.

He's had about 25 the two previous years, last year was a career high. It's never wise for someone to exceed their career high. In addition, the team added Felix Jones who they expect to be the back on passing downs, and be used while Barber is on the field as a pass receiving back. With those points in mind, I'm hard pressed to expect Barber to exceed 30 receptions this season.I do understand the concerns with Addai and his OL, and Gore on a Martz-led offense. But I still rank both of those players ahead of Barber, PPR or not.

 

[SayWhat?]

Uhoh...what about a 1/2PPR?

MBIII in any format. Guys make it sound like MBIII has stone hands or something.... hes a great checkdown target. I expect about 30 to 40 Recs from MBIII

Why the regression from Barber? He had 44 last year I'm looking for 50-55 this year.

He's had about 25 the two previous years, last year was a career high. It's never wise for someone to exceed their career high.

It's never wise to expect a player to exceed a career high when they've only been in the league for three years with their playing time increasing each and every season, finally leading into a feature role this season? Switz, you've got some great insight at times. But your blatant disdain for Barber is ridiculous.

 

[Squinting Cyclops]

The good news is...I got BOTH plus Reggie Bush in my 12 owner PPR auction league.

 

[BigRed]

Uhoh...what about a 1/2PPR?

MBIII in any format. Guys make it sound like MBIII has stone hands or something.... hes a great checkdown target. I expect about 30 to 40 Recs from MBIII

Yep and people with that "Gore= Faulk" thing are in for a rude awakening.

 

[gman8343]

The good news is...I got BOTH plus Reggie Bush in my 12 owner PPR auction league.

Great news for all of us.

 

[Warhound]

I have no clue what Gore has done in his career to even merit the way some of you talk about him. He is one guy I consistently stay away from in my drafts. It's been like that since he came into the league and it will be like that until he moves to a better offense. I don't think a single owner of him in our league has ever made it anywhere close to our Superbowl game.

 

[kapp]

I have no clue what Gore has done in his career to even merit the way some of you talk about him. He is one guy I consistently stay away from in my drafts. It's been like that since he came into the league and it will be like that until he moves to a better offense. I don't think a single owner of him in our league has ever made it anywhere close to our Superbowl game.

Are you talking about Frank Gore? All he did was nearly 1,700/500/10 in 2006. And SanFran stunk as a team that year too. Frank Gore has been in the league for 3 years and has only been a feature back for 2 of those 3 years. You talk as though he's been in the league for 10 years.He's a better pick than Marion Barber this year regardless of the format. He has proven he can carry the load for an entire season. He has a much higher upside than Marion Barber. You can be sure that Felix Jones is going to see more carries this year than Julies Jones got last year...which equals less for Barber.Gore is actually shaping up to be one of the better value picks in round #1 if you get him late.

 

[big0mar]

I had both of these guys available...but decided to go with Moss in the first round...too many question marks around Gore, and I don't see Barber getting 15-20 TDs

 

[Squinting Cyclops]

I have no clue what Gore has done in his career to even merit the way some of you talk about him. He is one guy I consistently stay away from in my drafts. It's been like that since he came into the league and it will be like that until he moves to a better offense. I don't think a single owner of him in our league has ever made it anywhere close to our Superbowl game.

In 2006, the guy who picked Gore in mid rounds in one of my leagues won it all. Unfortunately it wasn't me. :(

 

[big0mar]

Gore did put up 1000 yards in the second half of 2006. The final 8 games that season, he was as good as LT, with a lot less talent around him. But he also had Norv Turner as his OC in 2006.

 

[gman74]

I have no clue what Gore has done in his career to even merit the way some of you talk about him. He is one guy I consistently stay away from in my drafts. It's been like that since he came into the league and it will be like that until he moves to a better offense. I don't think a single owner of him in our league has ever made it anywhere close to our Superbowl game.

Are you talking about Frank Gore? All he did was nearly 1,700/500/10 in 2006. And SanFran stunk as a team that year too. Frank Gore has been in the league for 3 years and has only been a feature back for 2 of those 3 years. You talk as though he's been in the league for 10 years.He's a better pick than Marion Barber this year regardless of the format. He has proven he can carry the load for an entire season. He has a much higher upside than Marion Barber. You can be sure that Felix Jones is going to see more carries this year than Julies Jones got last year...which equals less for Barber.Gore is actually shaping up to be one of the better value picks in round #1 if you get him late.

Gore is a value pick if you get him in mid 2 or later. You can't say someone is a value pick at 6 or 7 overall.

 

[MCguidance]

I have no clue what Gore has done in his career to even merit the way some of you talk about him. He is one guy I consistently stay away from in my drafts. It's been like that since he came into the league and it will be like that until he moves to a better offense. I don't think a single owner of him in our league has ever made it anywhere close to our Superbowl game.

Are you talking about Frank Gore? All he did was nearly 1,700/500/10 in 2006. And SanFran stunk as a team that year too. Frank Gore has been in the league for 3 years and has only been a feature back for 2 of those 3 years. You talk as though he's been in the league for 10 years.He's a better pick than Marion Barber this year regardless of the format. He has proven he can carry the load for an entire season. He has a much higher upside than Marion Barber. You can be sure that Felix Jones is going to see more carries this year than Julies Jones got last year...which equals less for Barber.Gore is actually shaping up to be one of the better value picks in round #1 if you get him late.

Gore is a value pick if you get him in mid 2 or later. You can't say someone is a value pick at 6 or 7 overall.

Why not? Not saying he will, but what if he produces RB1 or RB2 numbers? That's a good value pick at 6, 7, or 8. In my 1PPR league I am praying he will be there at 9, but I doubt it.

 

[gman74]

I have no clue what Gore has done in his career to even merit the way some of you talk about him. He is one guy I consistently stay away from in my drafts. It's been like that since he came into the league and it will be like that until he moves to a better offense. I don't think a single owner of him in our league has ever made it anywhere close to our Superbowl game.

Are you talking about Frank Gore? All he did was nearly 1,700/500/10 in 2006. And SanFran stunk as a team that year too. Frank Gore has been in the league for 3 years and has only been a feature back for 2 of those 3 years. You talk as though he's been in the league for 10 years.He's a better pick than Marion Barber this year regardless of the format. He has proven he can carry the load for an entire season. He has a much higher upside than Marion Barber. You can be sure that Felix Jones is going to see more carries this year than Julies Jones got last year...which equals less for Barber.Gore is actually shaping up to be one of the better value picks in round #1 if you get him late.

Gore is a value pick if you get him in mid 2 or later. You can't say someone is a value pick at 6 or 7 overall.

Why not? Not saying he will, but what if he produces RB1 or RB2 numbers? That's a good value pick at 6, 7, or 8. In my 1PPR league I am praying he will be there at 9, but I doubt it.

Low rb1,High RB2 are 2nd rounders.

 

[joffer]

I have no clue what Gore has done in his career to even merit the way some of you talk about him.

 

[switz]

Uhoh...what about a 1/2PPR?

MBIII in any format. Guys make it sound like MBIII has stone hands or something.... hes a great checkdown target. I expect about 30 to 40 Recs from MBIII

Why the regression from Barber? He had 44 last year I'm looking for 50-55 this year.

He's had about 25 the two previous years, last year was a career high. It's never wise for someone to exceed their career high.

It's never wise to expect a player to exceed a career high when they've only been in the league for three years with their playing time increasing each and every season, finally leading into a feature role this season? Switz, you've got some great insight at times. But your blatant disdain for Barber is ridiculous.

It's not disdain for Barber, it's realism. Look over the past three years how many receptions the Cowboys RBs got, TOTAL. Then tell me it's realistic to expect Barber to repeat 44, or go even higher. It's just not.

 

[MCguidance]

I was mocking and mocking and had repeatedly had to choose between Moss, Gore, and Portis. My league draft rolls around (few sharks, but mostly guppies - which is why I mocked and mocked and mocked) and Moss, Portis were taken before me, leaving me with Barber and Gore to choose from. I had only seen Barber slide once to number 9. So I took him. I really thought Barber might be taken top 5, so at 9 he seemed like a no brainer. Am I correct? Was Gore a better play in my PPR league? Barber seems safer, but Gore may have a tiny bit of more upside with receptions. I just didn't want to lose my draft with my first round pick. Anyway, I was faced with the decision and chose MB3.

 

[MCguidance]

I have no clue what Gore has done in his career to even merit the way some of you talk about him. He is one guy I consistently stay away from in my drafts. It's been like that since he came into the league and it will be like that until he moves to a better offense. I don't think a single owner of him in our league has ever made it anywhere close to our Superbowl game.

Are you talking about Frank Gore? All he did was nearly 1,700/500/10 in 2006. And SanFran stunk as a team that year too. Frank Gore has been in the league for 3 years and has only been a feature back for 2 of those 3 years. You talk as though he's been in the league for 10 years.He's a better pick than Marion Barber this year regardless of the format. He has proven he can carry the load for an entire season. He has a much higher upside than Marion Barber. You can be sure that Felix Jones is going to see more carries this year than Julies Jones got last year...which equals less for Barber.Gore is actually shaping up to be one of the better value picks in round #1 if you get him late.

Gore is a value pick if you get him in mid 2 or later. You can't say someone is a value pick at 6 or 7 overall.

Why not? Not saying he will, but what if he produces RB1 or RB2 numbers? That's a good value pick at 6, 7, or 8. In my 1PPR league I am praying he will be there at 9, but I doubt it.

Low rb1,High RB2 are 2nd rounders.

I meant overall, not on an owner's team. But when push came to shove, I took Barber.

 

[PahtyTom]

I think Gore could catch 70+ passes this year. So obviously I think Gore by a quite a bit over MBIII in ppr.

 

[loose circuits]

MBIII hands down when you compare the two in any format. SanFran just has too many ? marks on offense. However, I did take Gore in the 2nd in my draft today (.5 PPR). Just couldn't pass on his upside, but I may end up regretting it if Martz abandons the run. Some of the posters here make it sound like I got a bargain, but I'm not so sure I shouldn't have just gone with Braylon Edwards...only time will tell

 

[Gbagzz]

Uhoh...what about a 1/2PPR?

MBIII in any format. Guys make it sound like MBIII has stone hands or something.... hes a great checkdown target. I expect about 30 to 40 Recs from MBIII

Why the regression from Barber? He had 44 last year I'm looking for 50-55 this year.

He's had about 25 the two previous years, last year was a career high. It's never wise for someone to exceed their career high. In addition, the team added Felix Jones who they expect to be the back on passing downs, and be used while Barber is on the field as a pass receiving back. With those points in mind, I'm hard pressed to expect Barber to exceed 30 receptions this season.I do understand the concerns with Addai and his OL, and Gore on a Martz-led offense. But I still rank both of those players ahead of Barber, PPR or not.

Why? can you give specific examples please? They've both been going in or around the same spot and Barber is on a better team, with more weapons and a better O-line. Gore has talent but no supporting talent to take pressure off him. I love both but when in doubt go with the player on the better offense.Convince me otherwise...

 

[Manster]

MBIII in all formats, especially TD heavy scoring. Gore is probably the overall the more talented back. in fact talent-wise i'd say he's top 5. but his situation sucks! his floor is definately much lower than MBIII's. and Gore, although tough as nails, is more of an injury risk at this point in their careers, imo.

take the workhorse on the high powered offense. seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[Manster]

I was mocking and mocking and had repeatedly had to choose between Moss, Gore, and Portis. My league draft rolls around (few sharks, but mostly guppies - which is why I mocked and mocked and mocked) and Moss, Portis were taken before me, leaving me with Barber and Gore to choose from. I had only seen Barber slide once to number 9. So I took him. I really thought Barber might be taken top 5, so at 9 he seemed like a no brainer. Am I correct? Was Gore a better play in my PPR league? Barber seems safer, but Gore may have a tiny bit of more upside with receptions. I just didn't want to lose my draft with my first round pick. Anyway, I was faced with the decision and chose MB3.

you're overthinking it, imo. how many points do you think the Cowboys are gonna put up? how many points do think the 9ers are gonna put up? MBIII is gonna get a lot of redzone touches, period. is Gore? will SF even get into the redzone? JT o'sullivan???

 

[nzranger]

The good news is...I got BOTH plus Reggie Bush in my 12 owner PPR auction league.

Thats just ridiculous

 

[Cass Durham]

In PPR? I took Gore over Barber and here is why: I have them projected to score within 5 points of each other as things are right now. If the offense in SF improves upon last year, Gore has lots of upside. Now, the offense in Dallas is already in the top of the league. If TO or Witten or Romo goes down, MB could in a bad situation. Gore has proven he can put up points on a bad offense. MB has not.