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Tillmanisahero
Footballguy
Excellent....... Nice scoop!
packersfan
Footballguy
Nice to hear some good news with regard to the Packers. I'm glad to see this got worked out before Grant started missing too much time.
joffer
Footballguy
it'll be interesting what the terms of the detail are. as of about noon today, KFFL was reporting this:
Packers | No end in sight in Grant saga
Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:44:53 -0700
Bob McGinn, of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant's agent is looking for a six-year, $40 million deal for his client. Because of Grant's limited resume, the Packers find the proposal to be too rich for their blood. Sources have noted Grant's proposal includes $8.5 million over the first two years of the deal, compared to the Packers' offer of about $4.5 million. Grant has been away from training camp for a week now and there is no end in sight. Grant's agent, Alan Herman, said a little bit of progress was made earlier in the week, but noted it still is not where they thought it would be. "For a team with $30 million worth of cap space, and Ryan's ability, I thought we would be much further along," Herman said. The proposal has a series of performance based incentives within it, and one source noted Grant would need to gain more than 2,000 yards in either of the next two seasons in order for him to have a shot at the $40 million
Packers | No end in sight in Grant saga
Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:44:53 -0700
Bob McGinn, of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant's agent is looking for a six-year, $40 million deal for his client. Because of Grant's limited resume, the Packers find the proposal to be too rich for their blood. Sources have noted Grant's proposal includes $8.5 million over the first two years of the deal, compared to the Packers' offer of about $4.5 million. Grant has been away from training camp for a week now and there is no end in sight. Grant's agent, Alan Herman, said a little bit of progress was made earlier in the week, but noted it still is not where they thought it would be. "For a team with $30 million worth of cap space, and Ryan's ability, I thought we would be much further along," Herman said. The proposal has a series of performance based incentives within it, and one source noted Grant would need to gain more than 2,000 yards in either of the next two seasons in order for him to have a shot at the $40 million
T Bell
Footballguy
Nice to know that this local beat reporter has the scoop on this one.it'll be interesting what the terms of the detail are. as of about noon today, KFFL was reporting thisackers | No end in sight in Grant sagaSat, 2 Aug 2008 12:44:53 -0700Bob McGinn, of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, reports Green Bay Packers RB Ryan Grant's agent is looking for a six-year, $40 million deal for his client. Because of Grant's limited resume, the Packers find the proposal to be too rich for their blood. Sources have noted Grant's proposal includes $8.5 million over the first two years of the deal, compared to the Packers' offer of about $4.5 million. Grant has been away from training camp for a week now and there is no end in sight. Grant's agent, Alan Herman, said a little bit of progress was made earlier in the week, but noted it still is not where they thought it would be. "For a team with $30 million worth of cap space, and Ryan's ability, I thought we would be much further along," Herman said. The proposal has a series of performance based incentives within it, and one source noted Grant would need to gain more than 2,000 yards in either of the next two seasons in order for him to have a shot at the $40 million
scott72
Footballguy
Grant's deal is done, he'll report Sunday
By Tom Silverstein
Saturday, Aug 2 2008, 07:32 PM
Green Bay -- Running back Ryan Grant scored a major victory in his negotiations with the Green Bay Packers, agreeing to terms on a four-year contract loaded with incentives and escalators that could earn him $30 million, his agent Alan Herman told the Journal Sentinel.
"He's very happy," Herman said. "It's been a dream year for him."
The Packers started out offering only a $1.75 million signing bonus, but Herman was able to negotiate a deal that will pay Grant a $3 million roster bonus when he signs the contract and another $1.25 million through base salary ($750,000) and another roster bonus ($500,000).
Thus, Grant will earn $4.25 million this year. Over two years, his take will be $8 million.
Herman said that there are many layers of incentives and escalators that will compensate Grant handsomely if he produces the way he did last year when he rushed for 956 yards and eight touchdowns in 10 games.
If Grant rushes for 1,500 yards this year, he will earn another $4 million 2009, Herman said. If he only rushes for 1,000 yards he would earn an additional $1 million.
Herman said the base salaries in the contract were set but the incentives and escalators will determine Grant's income each year. He said based on the way Grant plays the next four years, he could earn $30 million or $24 million or $18 million.
He said the four-year deal will allow Grant, 25, to become an unrestricted free agent after the 2011 season.
By Tom Silverstein
Saturday, Aug 2 2008, 07:32 PM
Green Bay -- Running back Ryan Grant scored a major victory in his negotiations with the Green Bay Packers, agreeing to terms on a four-year contract loaded with incentives and escalators that could earn him $30 million, his agent Alan Herman told the Journal Sentinel.
"He's very happy," Herman said. "It's been a dream year for him."
The Packers started out offering only a $1.75 million signing bonus, but Herman was able to negotiate a deal that will pay Grant a $3 million roster bonus when he signs the contract and another $1.25 million through base salary ($750,000) and another roster bonus ($500,000).
Thus, Grant will earn $4.25 million this year. Over two years, his take will be $8 million.
Herman said that there are many layers of incentives and escalators that will compensate Grant handsomely if he produces the way he did last year when he rushed for 956 yards and eight touchdowns in 10 games.
If Grant rushes for 1,500 yards this year, he will earn another $4 million 2009, Herman said. If he only rushes for 1,000 yards he would earn an additional $1 million.
Herman said the base salaries in the contract were set but the incentives and escalators will determine Grant's income each year. He said based on the way Grant plays the next four years, he could earn $30 million or $24 million or $18 million.
He said the four-year deal will allow Grant, 25, to become an unrestricted free agent after the 2011 season.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Not enough money to completely rule out the Brandon Jackson momentum.
Eric Stratton
Footballguy
Performance will rule out the Brandon Jackson momentum.
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
Love the huge carrot. I truly believe people play for the big payday.
packersfan
Footballguy
Unless Grant flops or gets hurt, Jackson isn't going to be a serious factor. Grant showed last season he's considerably more talented than Jackson and the coaching staff is firmly in his corner as the starter. He's the guy. As long as he doesn't get injured or flop, the job will be his.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
From a contractual standpoint....not a talent comparison.Eric Stratton said:King of the Jungle said:Performance will rule out the Brandon Jackson momentum.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
Grant will do just fine for GB, won't be a stud everyone thinks he is
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Possibly. It will depend on Rogers performance. If he is usefull , then RG can be a good #2 RB, possibly a top 10 RB againHe had the 9th most td's of RB's last year, but only began starting in week 8 - That's a pretty good set of stats. BJ will be the change of pace back, keep Grant fresh. He will eat some stats of grants, but I see no reason to think anything but a good shot at ending up 10/11 in the RB list
LOL at all the people earlier this week jumping all over the Packers and Ted Thompson when Grant's agent said $1.75M was "insulting." No doubt the first extension offered was entirely performanced based as well.Good job by the agent to play the media and the Brett Farve issues to squeeze a little more out of the negotiation.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Hmmm...I feel like I've heard this before.
joffer
Footballguy
he's really proud of it
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
3 mill roster bonus for a starting RB is joke.
VERY little guaranteed money or stability with this deal past this season. Unless he puts up LT like rushing numbers going forward he's basically getting backup type money in 09' and after.
If he performs solid but not spectacular he's dirt cheap and if he flops they can cut him without being on the hook for much.
And in the case he does perform LT'ish then he'll still be a good deal relative to his performance.
Classic show me don't blow me type deal which allows the Pack to hold all the cards.
The way the deal is structured it also give the Packers even more incentive to use a RBBC style. Keep Grant at around 250 carries and let the other backs split up the rest.
If he performs solid but not spectacular he's dirt cheap and if he flops they can cut him without being on the hook for much.
And in the case he does perform LT'ish then he'll still be a good deal relative to his performance.
Classic show me don't blow me type deal which allows the Pack to hold all the cards.
The way the deal is structured it also give the Packers even more incentive to use a RBBC style. Keep Grant at around 250 carries and let the other backs split up the rest.
T Bell
Footballguy
Sure, because McCarthy's going to say, "Send in Grant- no, wait, he's getting too many carries and the team may have to pay him more, so send in Morency."
People are saying, "It's a small contract", but Grant was a UDFA and then traded for a sixth round pick just a year ago, so he's not exactly a hot commodity. RB's, unless you're dealing with the 10-15 truly special RB's (of which Grant is most assuredly NOT one), are essentially commodities, with just about every team in the NFL having a couple of guys who can run for 1000 yards with a good enough team around them. Grant's going to need to to better than just one season of that - frankly, he's done less to prove that he's worth a big contract than perennial backups like Ladell Betts or Lamont Jordan have, so I just don't get the argument.
Lash
Footballguy
""If Grant rushes for 1,500 yards this year, he will earn another $4 million 2009, Herman said. If he only rushes for 1,000 yards he would earn an additional $1 million.""
can the players union get involved if his numbers are artificially deflated when nearing the end of the year if about to make the extra $3M?
or would the packers actually show some good PR by saying they'll go ahead and pay him he $3M extra for his 1400 yards in 15 games so they can rest him for the playoffs?
can the players union get involved if his numbers are artificially deflated when nearing the end of the year if about to make the extra $3M?
or would the packers actually show some good PR by saying they'll go ahead and pay him he $3M extra for his 1400 yards in 15 games so they can rest him for the playoffs?
T Bell
Footballguy
Ok, so it's week 16 vs. the Lions, and the Packers have a 1400 yard rusher in Ryan Grant, who undoubtedly as a RB with that type of rushing output has put them in a position to make the playoffs if not a home game in the playoffs, maybe even a division championship. You're arguing that McCarthy is going to sit a 1400-yard rusher when the chips are down just so that the team doesn't have to pay him a bonus? Do you really think the team would be that worried about $2M during a successful season? Seriously?
bostonfred
Footballguy
It's week 17, and the Packers have earned a first round bye. Grant has 1398 yards. The Packers decide to rest all of their starters. Or, it's week 12, and Grant has been on a tear. He already has 1100 yards on the season. At the end of the game, he pulls up a little lame, so the Packers decide to rest him for a couple weeks. Or, it's week 15, and Grant has been a workhorse all season, racking up 1250 yards so far, but slowing down a little towards the end of the season. Jackson has a good game in relief, and the Packers decide to let Jackson run a little more. Or, Grant performs well on first and second downs, but Jackson gets the third and long carries, and is asked to run it out at the end of blowouts. All of those seem reasonable.Ok, so it's week 16 vs. the Lions, and the Packers have a 1400 yard rusher in Ryan Grant, who undoubtedly as a RB with that type of rushing output has put them in a position to make the playoffs if not a home game in the playoffs, maybe even a division championship. You're arguing that McCarthy is going to sit a 1400-yard rusher when the chips are down just so that the team doesn't have to pay him a bonus? Do you really think the team would be that worried about $2M during a successful season? Seriously?
One never knows which thread will continue to get responses and which will disappear into the ether.
There is also the possibility that the Packers don't make the playoffs and Grant still manages to put up decent numbers. Tampa Bay rested starters last year for the express purpose of not having to pay them performance bonuses. Not a thing to do to inspire confidence in your players but strange things can happen.Everyone remember the year Shaun Alexander lost out on the rushing title by 1 yard?It's week 17, and the Packers have earned a first round bye. Grant has 1398 yards. The Packers decide to rest all of their starters. Or, it's week 12, and Grant has been on a tear. He already has 1100 yards on the season. At the end of the game, he pulls up a little lame, so the Packers decide to rest him for a couple weeks. Or, it's week 15, and Grant has been a workhorse all season, racking up 1250 yards so far, but slowing down a little towards the end of the season. Jackson has a good game in relief, and the Packers decide to let Jackson run a little more. Or, Grant performs well on first and second downs, but Jackson gets the third and long carries, and is asked to run it out at the end of blowouts. All of those seem reasonable.Ok, so it's week 16 vs. the Lions, and the Packers have a 1400 yard rusher in Ryan Grant, who undoubtedly as a RB with that type of rushing output has put them in a position to make the playoffs if not a home game in the playoffs, maybe even a division championship. You're arguing that McCarthy is going to sit a 1400-yard rusher when the chips are down just so that the team doesn't have to pay him a bonus? Do you really think the team would be that worried about $2M during a successful season? Seriously?
