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[roadkill1292]

Review of the site from ESPN

Pretty honest assessment, considering the source. Interesting how consumed Deadspin is with the site.

What has Deadspin been saying?If we get a couple of interesting feature stories a week out of this effort, then those of us who appreciate good writing and non-standard approaches to light-hearted topics like sports and pop culture will be ahead of the game. I've found a bunch of stuff worth reading so far so no beefs from me.

Talking bad about Grantland RiceOdds on first article at Grantland

Well, they didn't seem so bad but I have no basis of comparison. What is Deadspin mostly about?

 

[Truman]

Good concept, I still have a hard time reading feature articles like this online though. Gonna have to print out anything I really want to read and I don't think I'm alone there, I'd say it's a problem.

Literacy is an issue everywhere.

 

[biggamer3]

Review of the site from ESPN

Pretty honest assessment, considering the source. Interesting how consumed Deadspin is with the site.

What has Deadspin been saying?If we get a couple of interesting feature stories a week out of this effort, then those of us who appreciate good writing and non-standard approaches to light-hearted topics like sports and pop culture will be ahead of the game. I've found a bunch of stuff worth reading so far so no beefs from me.

Talking bad about Grantland RiceOdds on first article at Grantland

Well, they didn't seem so bad but I have no basis of comparison. What is Deadspin mostly about?

We Hate ESPN and Bill Simmons. And also "how can we create traffic to our site? Lets post players junk shots"

 

[roadkill1292]

Review of the site from ESPN

Pretty honest assessment, considering the source. Interesting how consumed Deadspin is with the site.

What has Deadspin been saying?If we get a couple of interesting feature stories a week out of this effort, then those of us who appreciate good writing and non-standard approaches to light-hearted topics like sports and pop culture will be ahead of the game. I've found a bunch of stuff worth reading so far so no beefs from me.

Talking bad about Grantland RiceOdds on first article at Grantland

Well, they didn't seem so bad but I have no basis of comparison. What is Deadspin mostly about?

We Hate ESPN and Bill Simmons. And also "how can we create traffic to our site? Lets post players junk shots"

Thanks. Seems like that could get old fast. I believe I'll pass.

 

[RUSF18]

Funny that the site went down for most of Sunday/Monday because they bought the domain name last month from a guy who was using it to chronicle what was up with his family. The domain was set to expire, needed to be re-registered, and no one bothered to check on it.

 

[Bogart]

Klosterman's Rock VORP article, and the Humblebrag Top 10 list are both really solid.

Site continues to be a nice mix of sports and pop culture all in one clean spot.

 

[JMon348]

I mentioned it in the NBA thread, but the Bismack Biyombo interview is pretty good.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I mentioned it in the NBA thread, but the Bismack Biyombo interview is pretty good.

Just read that myself. I know there are questions about his age and this interview does not help. He comes off extremely mature for an 18 year old.

 

[Bogart]

I like the way the advertising is laid out on the site. A single sponsor per page, you get the little box up top, a skinny banner ad and a box ad, all tied together. Get's the page paid for without feeling like other cluttered pages, like ESPN, for example.

 

[Deepster]

So, I've been on board since the site opened...and I've been reading this thread.

What exactly is the difference between Grantland and ESPN Page 2?

 

[Joe Summer]

So, I've been on board since the site opened...and I've been reading this thread.What exactly is the difference between Grantland and ESPN Page 2?

Curse words.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Just awful.

I don't even know where to start tearing into this. I suppose I don't have to, though. I suspect that people far smarter than me are going to do the job. I assume they'll start by pointing out how freely he goes back and forth between baseball (which can be analyzed fully and accurately by statistics and where being an ###hole doesn't affect performance one iota) and basketball (where even the most dedicated sabermetricians admit they can't fully capture certain aspects the game). And there's plenty more to rip after that.

In conclusion, I miss Fire Joe Morgan.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Just awful.

I don't even know where to start tearing into this. I suppose I don't have to, though. I suspect that people far smarter than me are going to do the job. I assume they'll start by pointing out how freely he goes back and forth between baseball (which can be analyzed fully and accurately by statistics and where being an ###hole doesn't affect performance one iota) and basketball (where even the most dedicated sabermetricians admit they can't fully capture certain aspects the game). And there's plenty more to rip after that.

In conclusion, I miss Fire Joe Morgan.

I had the same thought. I also thought that this would be website with more intelligent, in-depth articles. I'm less bowled over as time goes on.

 

[Kev4029]

Just awful.

I don't even know where to start tearing into this. I suppose I don't have to, though. I suspect that people far smarter than me are going to do the job. I assume they'll start by pointing out how freely he goes back and forth between baseball (which can be analyzed fully and accurately by statistics and where being an ###hole doesn't affect performance one iota) and basketball (where even the most dedicated sabermetricians admit they can't fully capture certain aspects the game). And there's plenty more to rip after that.

In conclusion, I miss Fire Joe Morgan.

That's what happens when somebody who doesn't understand advanced statistics/sabermetics tries to explain them. There's not even much to rip apart from the article because it was so vague and lacked any sort of evidence against statistics. It was just a very poorly done, pointless article.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Just awful.

I don't even know where to start tearing into this. I suppose I don't have to, though. I suspect that people far smarter than me are going to do the job. I assume they'll start by pointing out how freely he goes back and forth between baseball (which can be analyzed fully and accurately by statistics and where being an ###hole doesn't affect performance one iota) and basketball (where even the most dedicated sabermetricians admit they can't fully capture certain aspects the game). And there's plenty more to rip after that.

In conclusion, I miss Fire Joe Morgan.

That's what happens when somebody who doesn't understand advanced statistics/sabermetics tries to explain them. There's not even much to rip apart from the article because it was so vague and lacked any sort of evidence against statistics. It was just a very poorly done, pointless article.

Yep. No substance at all. The Mavs/Barea arguments were just ... nonsense. It was exactly the kind of garbage the FJM guys used to trash, just dressed up with fancy words and mentions of the author's "nerd" credentials so as to look slightly less blunt and stupid.

 

[biggamer3]

Just awful.

I don't even know where to start tearing into this. I suppose I don't have to, though. I suspect that people far smarter than me are going to do the job. I assume they'll start by pointing out how freely he goes back and forth between baseball (which can be analyzed fully and accurately by statistics and where being an ###hole doesn't affect performance one iota) and basketball (where even the most dedicated sabermetricians admit they can't fully capture certain aspects the game). And there's plenty more to rip after that.

In conclusion, I miss Fire Joe Morgan.

That's what happens when somebody who doesn't understand advanced statistics/sabermetics tries to explain them. There's not even much to rip apart from the article because it was so vague and lacked any sort of evidence against statistics. It was just a very poorly done, pointless article.

I read that piece and still dont get what the point of the article was. I guess he was saying that Sabermetrics dont solve all the problems, well duh. While trashing it he mentions how it would have saved the Giants from signing Aaron Rowand which was counterproductive to his whole agenda. His whole usage of the cars were a failed attempt and he was trying too damn hard.

 

[Don Quixote]

Just awful.

I don't even know where to start tearing into this. I suppose I don't have to, though. I suspect that people far smarter than me are going to do the job. I assume they'll start by pointing out how freely he goes back and forth between baseball (which can be analyzed fully and accurately by statistics and where being an ###hole doesn't affect performance one iota) and basketball (where even the most dedicated sabermetricians admit they can't fully capture certain aspects the game). And there's plenty more to rip after that.

In conclusion, I miss Fire Joe Morgan.

I almost feel like tweeting a link to that with a "Paging @KenTremendous to the white courtesy phone" line. The past couple of years, FJM has taken over Deadspin for a day (the one day of the year I go to Deadspin with great frequency now). Might have to wait for that.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

This guy writes for Wired? Really? Seems like he's out of his depth here:

http://twitter.com/#!/jonahlehrer

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Just awful.

I don't even know where to start tearing into this. I suppose I don't have to, though. I suspect that people far smarter than me are going to do the job. I assume they'll start by pointing out how freely he goes back and forth between baseball (which can be analyzed fully and accurately by statistics and where being an ###hole doesn't affect performance one iota) and basketball (where even the most dedicated sabermetricians admit they can't fully capture certain aspects the game). And there's plenty more to rip after that.

In conclusion, I miss Fire Joe Morgan.

That was pretty awful.

Jonah Lehrer is a contributing editor at Wired and the author of How We Decide. This is his first story for Grantland.

Lets hope it is his last.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

In his original analogy, I think more primitive statistics like RBI and ERA matched up to horsepower. It was a cluster-f all the way around.

Here's the article on Wired with comments. As one might expect, it's not going well for him so far: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/06/the-sabermetric-bias/

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Conversely, however, Klosterman's breakdown of Zeppelin's In the Evening is awesome

 

[Moe.]

Just awful.

I don't even know where to start tearing into this. I suppose I don't have to, though. I suspect that people far smarter than me are going to do the job. I assume they'll start by pointing out how freely he goes back and forth between baseball (which can be analyzed fully and accurately by statistics and where being an ###hole doesn't affect performance one iota) and basketball (where even the most dedicated sabermetricians admit they can't fully capture certain aspects the game). And there's plenty more to rip after that.

In conclusion, I miss Fire Joe Morgan.

I almost feel like tweeting a link to that with a "Paging @KenTremendous to the white courtesy phone" line. The past couple of years, FJM has taken over Deadspin for a day (the one day of the year I go to Deadspin with great frequency now). Might have to wait for that.

Didn't Schur co-author the cricket story on Grantland? I'm sure he's seen the article. I doubt he'll be able to provide his honest thoughts about it.

 

[-fish-]

Conversely, however, Klosterman's breakdown of Zeppelin's In the Evening is awesome

Klosterman getting to write about whatever he wants without word limits is the best thing about this site so far.

 

[Joe Summer]

Conversely, however, Klosterman's breakdown of Zeppelin's In the Evening is awesome

That was a fun read. I also liked his podcast interview with Weird Al. Klosterman isn't a "trained journalist", so he ends up asking a lot of awkward "fan type" questions, which makes the interview sound different from the standard fare.

 

[Adebisi]

Terrible, and seemingly getting worse every day.

I'll be glad to see Simmons fail. He needs to be knocked down a peg or ten.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Takedown!

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14385

Another one:

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/beating-up-the-sabermetric-strawman/

 

[Steve Tasker]

Klosterman and Gladwell write for this site? Sounds like it's worth a look.

I thought it was just Simmons and had no interest...

 

[Good Posting Judge]

This reminds me of another auspicious debut on a big stage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3CL28vgE4U

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Klosterman and Gladwell write for this site? Sounds like it's worth a look.I thought it was just Simmons and had no interest...

Klosterman is good. Simmons is Simmons. Most of the rest of it isn't very good.

 

[Daywalker]

Simmons podcast with David Kahn is a must for any NBA fan.

 

[biggamer3]

Takedown!http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14385Another one:http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/beating-up-the-sabermetric-strawman/

would love to see what the writer of that sad grantland piece would respond with to that beating

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Takedown!http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14385Another one:http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/beating-up-the-sabermetric-strawman/

would love to see what the writer of that sad grantland piece would respond with to that beating

There are also some comments on Wired where that article is also hosted. Lots of good points made/holes poked in his "arguments."

 

[Truman]

Takedown!http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=14385Another one:http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/beating-up-the-sabermetric-strawman/

would love to see what the writer of that sad grantland piece would respond with to that beating

There are also some comments on Wired where that article is also hosted. Lots of good points made/holes poked in his "arguments."

I mean this is terrible. Everyone knows Mark Cuban is the leading owner in the NBA when it comes to employing sabermetrics. His analysts have a ton of data on which lineups work best together and have been working on it for years. That was one of the main reasons he hired Rick Carlisle - his success with putting optimal lineups on the floor. I think the Barea example is horrific because it was likely driven by sabermetric analysis. That's how the Mavericks make basketball decisions.

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Conversely, however, Klosterman's breakdown of Zeppelin's In the Evening is awesome

Just read this, loved it! (the rotary phone on JPJ's keyboard, hilarious)

 

[Good Posting Judge]

http://deadspin.com/5816721/memo-to-jonah-lehrer-mark-cuban-says-the-mavs-used-statistics-against-the-heat

*snort*

 

[RUSF18]

Ever think you could write nearly 4400 words on movie stars? Bill Simmons can. I read about 12 of them.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6716942/view/full/the-movie-star

 

[biggamer3]

this piece might win Grantland a Pulitzer

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/491/does-sasha-vujacic-deserve-maria-sharapova

 

[Good Posting Judge]

First reasonable article on Grantland that discusses sabrmetrics?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6746478/undervalued-sluggers

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Oof. If you're trying to sell yourself as a place where more in-depth, thoughtful writing on sports occurs, probably not good to be so rife with errata:

http://deadspin.com/5819051/dear-grantland-your-motto-is-wrong

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

That Richard Pryor interview posted in the YouTube hall of fame is amazing.

 

[-fish-]

Oof. If you're trying to sell yourself as a place where more in-depth, thoughtful writing on sports occurs, probably not good to be so rife with errata:http://deadspin.com/5819051/dear-grantland-your-motto-is-wrong

yeah, that guy's wrong.

 

[[scooter]]

Oof. If you're trying to sell yourself as a place where more in-depth, thoughtful writing on sports occurs, probably not good to be so rife with errata:http://deadspin.com/5819051/dear-grantland-your-motto-is-wrong

Lotta nitpicking there.

 

[Adebisi]

Oof. If you're trying to sell yourself as a place where more in-depth, thoughtful writing on sports occurs, probably not good to be so rife with errata:http://deadspin.com/5819051/dear-grantland-your-motto-is-wrong

Lotta nitpicking there.

Lot of lazy, factual errors, too.

 

[Daywalker]

Conversely, however, Klosterman's breakdown of Zeppelin's In the Evening is awesome

That was a fun read. I also liked his podcast interview with Weird Al. Klosterman isn't a "trained journalist", so he ends up asking a lot of awkward "fan type" questions, which makes the interview sound different from the standard fare.

Really interesting interview. I agree that some of Klostermans' questions were awkward. Werid one was Klosterman asking Al if he was in Minnesotta to go to the Mayo clinic and if anything was wrong with him. Klosterman was speculating to since Al wasn't playing a show he must be there for the hospital. It was a totally inappropriate question but sure was entertaining to listen too.Al talks about finding out that his parents had died from a carbon monoxide leak and how he performed like two hours after that.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Oof. If you're trying to sell yourself as a place where more in-depth, thoughtful writing on sports occurs, probably not good to be so rife with errata:http://deadspin.com/5819051/dear-grantland-your-motto-is-wrong

Lotta nitpicking there.

Nitpicking is the job of fact-checkers and proof-readers.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Oof. If you're trying to sell yourself as a place where more in-depth, thoughtful writing on sports occurs, probably not good to be so rife with errata:http://deadspin.com/5819051/dear-grantland-your-motto-is-wrong

Lotta nitpicking there.

Nitpicking is the job of fact-checkers and proof-readers.

Kinda hypocritical coming from Deadspin though, isn't it? Back when I used to read that site (i.e. before it collapsed into a bunch of juvenile posts of any telestrator sketches that look remotely like male genitalia) there was a writer who made so many mistakes of that nature that I stopped reading his posts. I can't remember who it was, but he was their most prolific writer for a while.

 

[ODoyleRules]

Conversely, however, Klosterman's breakdown of Zeppelin's In the Evening is awesome

That was a fun read. I also liked his podcast interview with Weird Al. Klosterman isn't a "trained journalist", so he ends up asking a lot of awkward "fan type" questions, which makes the interview sound different from the standard fare.

Really interesting interview. I agree that some of Klostermans' questions were awkward. Werid one was Klosterman asking Al if he was in Minnesotta to go to the Mayo clinic and if anything was wrong with him. Klosterman was speculating to since Al wasn't playing a show he must be there for the hospital. It was a totally inappropriate question but sure was entertaining to listen too.Al talks about finding out that his parents had died from a carbon monoxide leak and how he performed like two hours after that.

I felt like Klosterman was going down a line of premeditated questions, whereas the Simmons interview podcasts always sound more like a conversation. I prefer Simmons' style but Klosterman does bring a different point of view which is good too.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Oof. If you're trying to sell yourself as a place where more in-depth, thoughtful writing on sports occurs, probably not good to be so rife with errata:http://deadspin.com/5819051/dear-grantland-your-motto-is-wrong

Lotta nitpicking there.

Nitpicking is the job of fact-checkers and proof-readers.

Kinda hypocritical coming from Deadspin though, isn't it? Back when I used to read that site (i.e. before it collapsed into a bunch of juvenile posts of any telestrator sketches that look remotely like male genitalia) there was a writer who made so many mistakes of that nature that I stopped reading his posts. I can't remember who it was, but he was their most prolific writer for a while.

No doubt. Deadspin is at their best when they're posting links of awesome soccer goals or guys getting hit in the nuts with minimal comment.They also have an awful legion of commenters. It seems like everyone's just trying to get off the funniest one-liner and auditioning to be a writer on there. And everyone's name is invariably (obscure athlete name) (unusual object).

 

[Sarnoff]

They also have an awful legion of commenters. It seems like everyone's just trying to get off the funniest one-liner and auditioning to be a writer on there. And everyone's name is invariably (obscure athlete name) (unusual object).

So it's like the shark pool?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

They also have an awful legion of commenters. It seems like everyone's just trying to get off the funniest one-liner and auditioning to be a writer on there. And everyone's name is invariably (obscure athlete name) (unusual object).

So it's like the shark pool?

Pretty much, yeah. It's like dozens of MOPs.