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Great article on the Raiders (1 Viewer)

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"You almost wanted to yank JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden out of this sad contest Monday night and let them go play for a real football team.

Oh what fun those two could have! (If they weren't stuck on the Raiders.)

You wanted to imagine what the giant young quarterback and the blistering rookie tailback could do if they had teammates who could catch, block, tackle and generally remain sane on the football field for a half or two.

You wanted to take these two enormous talents far away from this small, tiny, decaying, wretched franchise. Free JaMarcus and Darren!

You actually felt sorry for them while the humiliations piled up in this season opener (and basically, a season closer).

Because they couldn't save the Raiders against Denver, couldn't come close to preventing the nationally televised 41-14 debacle, and probably will see their talents wasted for as long as they remain with the Silver and Black.

This franchise just isn't built for good players anymore.

This franchise is about lame-duck coach Lane Kiffin, put on firing watch by halftime.

This franchise is about a defense that loaded up with big-money players in the off-season, yet couldn't come close to stopping Denver.

In fact, the Raiders defense featured high-priced cornerback DeAngelo Hall practically self-immolating with multiple personal fouls and a repeated roasting by rookie Denver receiver Eddie Royal.

This franchise is about

egregiously overpaying former Bronco Javon Walker, who couldn't make it into uniform for this one.

This franchise is about dumb penalties, missed tackles, dropped passes and no help at all for young potential superstars.

This franchise is about Al Davis, mostly. It's all about him. He will blame others, but this is his creation.

This franchise, quite frankly, does not deserve Russell, the No. 1 overall pick in 2007, and McFadden, taken fourth this April.

Put even more frankly: By all indications, this franchise is going to do its best to ruin Russell and McFadden as swiftly and as painfully as possible.

And it's starting. Folks, the ruining is already starting.

"When things don't happen to go too good for the team, you kind of wish you did more," said Russell, who completed 17 of 26 passes for 180 yards and two touchdowns and did not throw an interception. "But I did pretty good."

Russell, in fact, put up a 111.1 passer rating, without much assistance from his receivers or blockers.

Kiffin singled out Russell for praise amid the debris, though "I know it's hard to imagine in a game like that," he said. The coach (for now) specifically mentioned Russell's leading the team to two touchdowns when the game was long over.

How is Russell supposed to learn NFL quarterback play when his starting receivers are Ronald (Too Slow) Curry and Ashley (Cut by the 49ers) Lelie?

For sure, Russell experienced bumps of his own Monday, including his lost fumble deep in Denver territory in the first quarter when the Raiders looked like they were driving to a 7-7 tie.

After dropping the ball as he prepared a long lateral to McFadden, Russell clanged himself on his helmet in a fit of frustration and was quickly consoled by offensive coordinator Greg Knapp on the sideline.

But Russell also fired some laser-shot mid- and long-range passes that would have done John Elway or Warren Moon proud.

It just didn't matter. Bad or good, anything by Russell didn't matter in this game. Won't matter much this season.

How is McFadden supposed to turn into Bo Jackson when his blockers commit holding penalties and his offensive unit can't keep it together long enough to get close to the end zone?

McFadden, who left the game with an apparent shoulder injury in the second half but said afterward he was fine, never quite broke off the huge explosive run against Denver.

That won't matter. Well, maybe it will matter in the difference between 2-14 and 3-13, if that floats your boat.

It's not Russell and McFadden's fault that they could not save the Raiders on Monday night.

They're young. They're just starting. They're fighting the tide of history and the deep stench of prolonged franchise decay.

It's not their fault. But I've got a bad feeling that they're the ones who are going to feel it the most over the next three, four or 10 years."

Really had high hopes for DMAC this year but it's hard to argue these points..ugh

 
Last night was one of the most pathetic team performances I've ever seen in an NFL game.

Cut to shots of Monty Burns in his box seat with the towel on his lap. He doesn't have enough gas left in the tank to even have hot women in the box anymore (did you see those frazzled out old bettys up there with him?) - in what possible world does he think he can run an NFL franchise? If I'm drafted by the Raiders and Al's still clinging to life in any way, I'm pulling an Elway. Any free agent that signs with them, you can pretty much write off as collecting a pay check and being useless.

 
It's too bad he league can't take the keys away from Al. The NFL should have the equivalent of a vision test for owners; if you can't see the forest through the trees you should be restricted to a golf cart.

 
You wanted to imagine what the giant young quarterback and the blistering rookie tailback could do if they had teammates who could catch, block, tackle and generally remain sane on the football field for a half or two.
That was good... :lmao:
 


Last night was one of the most pathetic team performances I've ever seen in an NFL game.

Cut to shots of Monty Burns in his box seat with the towel on his lap. He doesn't have enough gas left in the tank to even have hot women in the box anymore (did you see those frazzled out old bettys up there with him?) - in what possible world does he think he can run an NFL franchise? If I'm drafted by the Raiders and Al's still clinging to life in any way, I'm pulling an Elway. Any free agent that signs with them, you can pretty much write off as collecting a pay check and being useless.
hahahahahaha
 
"FREE TROY AIKMAN FROM THESE HORRIBLE COWBOYS!!!"-what someone might have written in 1989
The difference being that in '89 the Cowboys had a new owner dedicated to winning and not insane who also hired a proven winner at the college level as a head coach. Put on top of that a bonanza of picks from the Vikings ( :lmao: ) in the Herschel Walker trade...Other than that, it's exactly the same.
 
Last night was one of the most pathetic team performances I've ever seen in an NFL game.Cut to shots of Monty Burns in his box seat with the towel on his lap. He doesn't have enough gas left in the tank to even have hot women in the box anymore (did you see those frazzled out old bettys up there with him?) - in what possible world does he think he can run an NFL franchise? If I'm drafted by the Raiders and Al's still clinging to life in any way, I'm pulling an Elway. Any free agent that signs with them, you can pretty much write off as collecting a pay check and being useless.
Elway had an actual out. He had the option of playing professional baseball. Any player drafted by the Raiders is pretty much stuck with them... if you want to be a professional athlete that is.
 
Last night was one of the most pathetic team performances I've ever seen in an NFL game.Cut to shots of Monty Burns in his box seat with the towel on his lap. He doesn't have enough gas left in the tank to even have hot women in the box anymore (did you see those frazzled out old bettys up there with him?) - in what possible world does he think he can run an NFL franchise? If I'm drafted by the Raiders and Al's still clinging to life in any way, I'm pulling an Elway. Any free agent that signs with them, you can pretty much write off as collecting a pay check and being useless.
Elway had an actual out. He had the option of playing professional baseball. Any player drafted by the Raiders is pretty much stuck with them... if you want to be a professional athlete that is.
Then pull an Eli man, hit the CFL, hit the arena league, start up your own semi pro league with some friends, work at McDonalds, whatever. At this point, if you want to be a professional athlete, signing with the Raiders isn't going to get you any closer to that goal.
 
Lane Kiffin is going to be a very good coach for someone else.

Rob Ryan is a lackey for an owner that wants to run a defense from 1978. Base 4-3 all game, it was preseason defensive scheme for Shanahan to play with all day.

 
"FREE TROY AIKMAN FROM THESE HORRIBLE COWBOYS!!!"-what someone might have written in 1989
The difference being that in '89 the Cowboys had a new owner dedicated to winning and not insane who also hired a proven winner at the college level as a head coach. Put on top of that a bonanza of picks from the Vikings ( :moneybag: ) in the Herschel Walker trade...Other than that, it's exactly the same.
It was the only bullet I had left in the chamber.We deserve every last ounce of criticism we get at this point.
 
"FREE TROY AIKMAN FROM THESE HORRIBLE COWBOYS!!!"-what someone might have written in 1989
The difference being that in '89 the Cowboys had a new owner dedicated to winning and not insane who also hired a proven winner at the college level as a head coach. Put on top of that a bonanza of picks from the Vikings ( :shrug: ) in the Herschel Walker trade...Other than that, it's exactly the same.
It was the only bullet I had left in the chamber.We deserve every last ounce of criticism we get at this point.
Sorry man. Until fans stop showing up in places like Detroit and Oakland, nothing will change.
 
"FREE TROY AIKMAN FROM THESE HORRIBLE COWBOYS!!!"-what someone might have written in 1989
The difference being that in '89 the Cowboys had a new owner dedicated to winning and not insane who also hired a proven winner at the college level as a head coach. Put on top of that a bonanza of picks from the Vikings ( :shrug: ) in the Herschel Walker trade...Other than that, it's exactly the same.
It was the only bullet I had left in the chamber.We deserve every last ounce of criticism we get at this point.
Sorry man. Until fans stop showing up in places like Detroit and Oakland, nothing will change.
No-shows at the Raider games aren't going to change the man at the top.Until Al goes, nothing changes.
 
No-shows at the Raider games aren't going to change the man at the top.Until Al goes, nothing changes.
Well if there were reduced ticket sales he'd probably want to pay his coaching staff even less. Although I don't know if that's possible.
 
Why is it sad to say the Raiders are a joke? The kind of people the team attracts to the stadium sort of reflect the franchise, no?

 
Sorry man. Until fans stop showing up in places like Detroit and Oakland, nothing will change.
No-shows at the Raider games aren't going to change the man at the top.Until Al goes, nothing changes.
Can't you just see Al in an empty stadium, rocking back and forth in his wheelchair muttering "I'll MAKE them come back..."
:lol: Yes, yes I can see him doing that. :confused:In all seriousness, the Raiders will be a franchise again when they pry it from Al's cold(er), dead(er) fingers. Until then they're a product of an 80-something's dementia, and that very much shows on the field.
 
Why is it sad to say the Raiders are a joke? The kind of people the team attracts to the stadium sort of reflect the franchise, no?
Oh dear
I saw the guy last night but no the chick next to him. About the last thing I want to see at a Packer game is skin from anything besides the cheerleaders. There were some Raider Fan nut job wannabes at the Colts game too. I'm all for being a fan, but anything involves attaching spikes to your team colored shoulder pads then it's gone a little too far...

 
Why is it sad to say the Raiders are a joke? The kind of people the team attracts to the stadium sort of reflect the franchise, no?
Oh dear
I saw the guy last night but no the chick next to him. About the last thing I want to see at a Packer game is skin from anything besides the cheerleaders. There were some Raider Fan nut job wannabes at the Colts game too. I'm all for being a fan, but anything involves attaching spikes to your team colored shoulder pads then it's gone a little too far...
In fairness, I sense a tongue-in-cheek tone with fans of other teams that dress up that I don't sense when I look at Raiders fans. Just sayin'. :thumbup:
 
Ugh,

There has been too many of these embarrassing losses recently. I am still just sick about the Raiders hiring a Bed N' Breakfast CEO for their coordinator last year.

 
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The supposed insider at one of the Raider boards is reporting Kiffin is getting fired.

I place the chances of this being right at about 20%. But I wouldn't put it past Al.

 
The supposed insider at one of the Raider boards is reporting Kiffin is getting fired.I place the chances of this being right at about 20%. But I wouldn't put it past Al.
So Al waits 7 months to fire him after the season starts out of the hope that he can save some money by having Kiffin resign for him. Wow, if that happens that's more embarrassing than anything we saw on the field last night.
 
The supposed insider at one of the Raider boards is reporting Kiffin is getting fired.I place the chances of this being right at about 20%. But I wouldn't put it past Al.
So Al waits 7 months to fire him after the season starts out of the hope that he can save some money by having Kiffin resign for him. Wow, if that happens that's more embarrassing than anything we saw on the field last night.
Just a rumor from a guy that is often wrong.
 
The supposed insider at one of the Raider boards is reporting Kiffin is getting fired.I place the chances of this being right at about 20%. But I wouldn't put it past Al.
So Al waits 7 months to fire him after the season starts out of the hope that he can save some money by having Kiffin resign for him. Wow, if that happens that's more embarrassing than anything we saw on the field last night.
Just a rumor from a guy that is often wrong.
That's why I put the "if" in there, but yeah, I understand. At this point, the fact that any of us are willing to do anything but laugh at such a report is telling about the status of Al's stewardship of the team.
 
That article was just a little bit too much. I don't see it being everyone else's fault except poor Russell and McFadden. I agree though that Davis is holding this team back.

Fargas looked good, Miller looked pretty good as well. I think they have some talent on the roster. Whether Kiffin will ever be able to put it to efficient use, that remains to be seen.

 
As someone who was AT the game last night...

Jamarcus Russell SUCKS.

He was easily one of the biggest problems on the team.

Rob Ryan. Check.

DeAngelo Hall. Check.

Jamarcus Russell. Check.

Pass blocking. Check.

In no way, shape or form does Russell deserve anything more then what he has currently.

 
Does anyone know what would happen if Al DID die? Who's in line, and do we have reason to believe he/she/they'd be any better?

 
Jamarcus Russell SUCKS.
He looked better than I expected. Yeah he made a few very bad throws, made some bad decisions, displayed an alarming propensity to drop the ball, but it seemed like he was getting better as the game went along.What makes you think he sucks from last night?
 
"FREE TROY AIKMAN FROM THESE HORRIBLE COWBOYS!!!"-what someone might have written in 1989
The difference being that in '89 the Cowboys had a new owner dedicated to winning and not insane who also hired a proven winner at the college level as a head coach. Put on top of that a bonanza of picks from the Vikings ( :goodposting: ) in the Herschel Walker trade...Other than that, it's exactly the same.
It was the only bullet I had left in the chamber.We deserve every last ounce of criticism we get at this point.
I felt your pain last night around 12 PM ET - I thought of you specifically (the poster known as Raider Nation) and the rest of the Raider Nation and went "ouch". (My children's godfather is a dyed-in-the-wool Silver and Black booster from the dawn of his life, too - he wouldn't answer his phone at half time)Glad to see your still pulling for your guys - a true fan doesn't desert in the tough times. Keep the faith.
 
Jamarcus Russell SUCKS.
He looked better than I expected. Yeah he made a few very bad throws, made some bad decisions, displayed an alarming propensity to drop the ball, but it seemed like he was getting better as the game went along.What makes you think he sucks from last night?
I didnt say he was worthless, or he had nothing at all.He does throw a very accuracte ball on crossing patterns under 20 yards.Even better when he is moving a little bit.Why does he suck?Bad pocket presence. Bad vision. Poor accuracy on passes going verticle.He throws to an area, doesnt hit his man with an accurate throw, he lofts it.Which is a lack of touch, understanding and confidence in his own ability.He killed his team last night. The fumble and missing Curry.He demonstrated no leadership that was visable, just a slouch of the shoulders and go hide.Do not take this as the gosple, its an observation... but I sat with 2 other FBGs (not forum whores) who are true footballguys (not in the website sense, in the real world sense) and none of us were Raider or Bronco fans. We had two more Raider fans with us and we all dissected the entire game. Russell is a serious problem. At least his current incarnation. And last night
 
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"FREE TROY AIKMAN FROM THESE HORRIBLE COWBOYS!!!"-what someone might have written in 1989
The difference being that in '89 the Cowboys had a new owner dedicated to winning and not insane who also hired a proven winner at the college level as a head coach. Put on top of that a bonanza of picks from the Vikings ( :sadbanana: ) in the Herschel Walker trade...Other than that, it's exactly the same.
It was the only bullet I had left in the chamber.We deserve every last ounce of criticism we get at this point.
I felt your pain last night around 12 PM ET - I thought of you specifically (the poster known as Raider Nation) and the rest of the Raider Nation and went "ouch". (My children's godfather is a dyed-in-the-wool Silver and Black booster from the dawn of his life, too - he wouldn't answer his phone at half time)Glad to see your still pulling for your guys - a true fan doesn't desert in the tough times. Keep the faith.
If I didn't jump ship after last night, I never will. Besides, I'm stuck with the tattoo. ;)
 
Jamarcus Russell SUCKS.
He looked better than I expected. Yeah he made a few very bad throws, made some bad decisions, displayed an alarming propensity to drop the ball, but it seemed like he was getting better as the game went along.What makes you think he sucks from last night?
I didnt say he was worthless, or he had nothing at all.He does throw a very accuracte ball on crossing patterns under 20 yards.Even better when he is moving a little bit.Why does he suck?Bad pocket presence. Bad vision. Poor accuracy on passes going verticle.He throws to an area, doesnt hit his man with an accurate throw, he lofts it.Which is a lack of touch, understanding and confidence in his own ability.He killed his team last night. The fumble and missing Curry.He demonstrated no leadership that was visable, just a slouch of the shoulders and go hide.Do not take this as the gosple, its an observation... but I sat with 2 other FBGs (not forum whores) who are true footballguys (not in the website sense, in the real world sense) and none of us were Raider or Bronco fans. We had two more Raider fans with us and we all dissected the entire game. Russell is a serious problem. At least his current incarnation. And last night
Pretty much disagree with this entire post. I really don't see a point in arguing it, I think people saw what they saw last night, or wanted to see, but he gave them the best QB play that have had since Gannon, it was his second start ever, and he never entered the game when he wasn't down by at least a TD.His future is incredibly bright, IMO.
 
Jamarcus Russell SUCKS.
He looked better than I expected. Yeah he made a few very bad throws, made some bad decisions, displayed an alarming propensity to drop the ball, but it seemed like he was getting better as the game went along.What makes you think he sucks from last night?
I didnt say he was worthless, or he had nothing at all.He does throw a very accuracte ball on crossing patterns under 20 yards.Even better when he is moving a little bit.Why does he suck?Bad pocket presence. Bad vision. Poor accuracy on passes going verticle.He throws to an area, doesnt hit his man with an accurate throw, he lofts it.Which is a lack of touch, understanding and confidence in his own ability.He killed his team last night. The fumble and missing Curry.He demonstrated no leadership that was visable, just a slouch of the shoulders and go hide.Do not take this as the gosple, its an observation... but I sat with 2 other FBGs (not forum whores) who are true footballguys (not in the website sense, in the real world sense) and none of us were Raider or Bronco fans. We had two more Raider fans with us and we all dissected the entire game. Russell is a serious problem. At least his current incarnation. And last night
Pretty much disagree with this entire post. I really don't see a point in arguing it, I think people saw what they saw last night, or wanted to see, but he gave them the best QB play that have had since Gannon, it was his second start ever, and he never entered the game when he wasn't down by at least a TD.His future is incredibly bright, IMO.
I stated "last night".But what I stated from last night is true. You can disagree with his future, but he was terrible last night.But then again, you are a Raider fan, so you should disagree, its natural.
 
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Jamarcus Russell SUCKS.
He looked better than I expected. Yeah he made a few very bad throws, made some bad decisions, displayed an alarming propensity to drop the ball, but it seemed like he was getting better as the game went along.What makes you think he sucks from last night?
I didnt say he was worthless, or he had nothing at all.He does throw a very accuracte ball on crossing patterns under 20 yards.Even better when he is moving a little bit.Why does he suck?Bad pocket presence. Bad vision. Poor accuracy on passes going verticle.He throws to an area, doesnt hit his man with an accurate throw, he lofts it.Which is a lack of touch, understanding and confidence in his own ability.He killed his team last night. The fumble and missing Curry.He demonstrated no leadership that was visable, just a slouch of the shoulders and go hide.Do not take this as the gosple, its an observation... but I sat with 2 other FBGs (not forum whores) who are true footballguys (not in the website sense, in the real world sense) and none of us were Raider or Bronco fans. We had two more Raider fans with us and we all dissected the entire game. Russell is a serious problem. At least his current incarnation. And last night
Pretty much disagree with this entire post. I really don't see a point in arguing it, I think people saw what they saw last night, or wanted to see, but he gave them the best QB play that have had since Gannon, it was his second start ever, and he never entered the game when he wasn't down by at least a TD.His future is incredibly bright, IMO.
I stated "last night".But what I stated from last night is true. You can disagree with his future, but he was terrible last night.But then again, you are a Raider fan, so you should disagree, its natural.
massraider NEVER wears rose-colored glasses when talking about his team... he calls it like he sees it.
 

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