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Greatest QB Ever Debate (1 Viewer)
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King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
You cant blame Marino for Shula not putting together a better defense to help him out.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
You can't be sure Marino would have rose to the occasion of winning the Super Bowl. Too many other great QB's don't have that "?".
King of the Wolfies
Footballguy
You are both wrong. Its about leadership. I'll vote Montana.
Can you name a running back that Marino played with?
I can because I'm a Dolphin fan.
How about: Tony Nathan, Mark Hicks, Karim Abdul-Jabbar, Sammy Smith.
The superbowl argument(is Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Jim McMahon better than Marino?)
John Elway lost 4 superbowls. He must suck.. But wait, he won two at the end of his career. Do you think that might have to do with Terrell Davis????
It's a team game. You have to have players around you. It's tough to win a super bowl if you don't have a defense or a running game.
The fact is, nobody has ever put up stats like marino. He has 120 more TD's than Elway, and about 150 more than Montana. He had 10, 000 more yards than Elway, and 21,000 more than Montana (montana had about 41,000 career yds.) He had 26 more int's than Elway (but 120 more TD's), and had 113 more INT's than Montana (with 150 more TD's).
Montana had great d's, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, WCO. Every game was on Marino's shoulders, and he consistently brought his team to the playoffs. IMO, no question the best ever is Marino.
I can because I'm a Dolphin fan.
How about: Tony Nathan, Mark Hicks, Karim Abdul-Jabbar, Sammy Smith.
The superbowl argument(is Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer, and Jim McMahon better than Marino?)
John Elway lost 4 superbowls. He must suck.. But wait, he won two at the end of his career. Do you think that might have to do with Terrell Davis????
It's a team game. You have to have players around you. It's tough to win a super bowl if you don't have a defense or a running game.
The fact is, nobody has ever put up stats like marino. He has 120 more TD's than Elway, and about 150 more than Montana. He had 10, 000 more yards than Elway, and 21,000 more than Montana (montana had about 41,000 career yds.) He had 26 more int's than Elway (but 120 more TD's), and had 113 more INT's than Montana (with 150 more TD's).
Montana had great d's, Jerry Rice, Roger Craig, WCO. Every game was on Marino's shoulders, and he consistently brought his team to the playoffs. IMO, no question the best ever is Marino.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'll take Montana every day of the week.
You can have everyone else.
You can have everyone else.
Slingblade
Footballguy
bryan11joseph
Footballguy
My friend claims Tom Brady because he's got the rings.
I believe it's Dan Marino.
Can anyone give me some more points to argue my case??
I believe it's Dan Marino.
Can anyone give me some more points to argue my case??
Oh the Humanity
Footballguy
I think a great player is one that makes his team better so I'd give Elway the edge over Montana. Montana got more rings but he had a great supporting cast that won a championship soon after he left. Elway had good players around him, but not Hall-of-Famers. And although the team continued to win, it hasn't been to the Super Bowl since. And of course Elway has numbers, too.
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Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Surprised there is no mention of Favre yet. I'll throw my vote in there. In his prime, I'd take him over anyone. I think if he had the ability to play with one receiver through his prime like the others mentioned, his numbers would be even better. Look at the others people are mentioning. Marino had Clayton and Duper together for a decade. Montana had Dwight Clark for a half dozen years, and then Jerry Rice for a half dozer years as his leading receivers. Manning has been able to play with Harrison for his entire career. Meanwhile, Favre has Sharpe for a few years, then losses him. He then has Robert Brooks as his #1 targer breifly. Then along comes Freeman. Then Bill Schroeder. Then Donald Driver. Then comes Javon Walker. Then Walker goes down and we're back to Driver. He never had that one guy for a long time like some of the others (Elway and Brady are in the same boat, but I put Favre above Elway and Brady's story isn't complete yet).
perry147
Footballguy
His ints are just too many and have cost the packers too many games - Good QBs do not do that.
Here is a post from a webside called Cold, hard football facts.com
Myth: Dan Marino had no defense.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino played 17 seasons in the NFL. Twice, he had the luxury of playing with the league’s No. 1 scoring defense: his rookie year of 1983 (15.6 points per game), and again in 1998 (16.6 points per game). That’s a pretty enviable ratio in a league that had 28 and then 30 teams in Marino’s playing days.
Consider this: Terry Bradshaw played 14 seasons in Pittsburgh and won four Super Bowls. The famed Steel Curtain defense that he played with led the league in scoring just twice in those 14 years. Of Bradshaw's four title teams, only one boasted the league's best scoring defense.
In Marino’s record-setting 1984 season, the Dolphins had the No. 1 scoring offense in football and the No. 6 scoring defense (18.6 points per game). The 1990 Dolphins, meanwhile, boasted the league’s No. 4 scoring defense, surrendering just 15.1 points per game.
There’s no doubt Marino played with some poor defenses in his day, but that’s the price of playing in the league 17 years. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts show that he also played with several defenses more than strong enough to win Super Bowls.
Myth: Marino had no running game.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino joined Miami at a time when it had a reputation of being the best ground team in football. In fact, the year before Marino was drafted, the Dolphins made it all the way to the Super Bowl on the strength of a great running game and great defense.
In Marino’s rookie year, 1983, the Dolphins racked up 2,150 yards on the ground. In 1984, Marino set single-season records with 48 touchdowns and 5,084 yards passing. The Dolphins still managed 1,918 rushing yards and averaged 4.0 yards per carry.
It would be disingenuous to say that the Dolphins were a great running team later in Marino’s career. Of course, much of that can be attributed to too few rushing attempts and a misguided faith placed in Marino’s arm.
But consider this: The New England Patriots went 17-2 and won the Super Bowl last year while averaging a woeful 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. The Dolphins averaged more than 3.4 yards per rushing attempt 14 times in Marino’s 17 seasons. In other words, Marino's Dolphins ran the ball more than well enough to win Super Bowls.
Myth: Marino had to carry the Dolphins himself.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Few quarterbacks in NFL history have been surrounded by more talent than Marino.
In his 17-year career, Marino played with 55 players named to the Pro Bowl. Marino himself was named a Pro Bowler nine times. That’s a remarkable 64 Pro Bowl players, or nearly four for every season Marino spent in the NFL. Four times in Marino’s career, the Dolphins boasted five or more Pro Bowl players in a single season. Compare that with New England’s two Super Bowl teams, which had a total of just five Pro Bowl players.
Marino also had the rare luxury of joining a team that had played in the Super Bowl the year before he arrived. He also played most of his career for the winningest coach in NFL history, Don Shula.
Shula has quite a resume. Working with quarterbacks Bob Griese, Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, he led the Colts and Dolphins to five Super Bowls in 15 years. Over the next 13 seasons, working with Marino, he appeared in just one more Super Bowl. He lost.
If any quarterback in NFL history walked into an ideal situation in which to win a Super Bowl, it was Dan Marino.
Myth: Marino was a big-game quarterback.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Want to know the real reason why Marino never won a Super Bowl? Sadly, the answer sits with Dan Marino himself.
Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Marino has a career regular season passer rating of 86.4. His postseason passer rating was just 77.1. He played in 18 playoff games, and won just eight of them.
In his one Super Bowl appearance (a 38-16 loss to the 49ers in Super Bowl XIX), Marino completed 29 of 50 passes for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. It adds up to a weak 66.9 passer rating. One wonders what might have happened had his two Super Bowl drives that ended in interceptions ended in touchdowns instead.
Remember that 1998 Miami team that had the best defense in football? It made the playoffs, but Marino failed to hold up his end of the bargain. The season ended in the second round of the playoffs, with Marino coughing up two interceptions against Denver and posting a passer rating of just 65.5. Yet another opportunity for Marino to win a Super Bowl tossed into the hands of an opposing defender.
In fact, Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games.
So, DollFans, if you're looking for a reason why Miami never won a Super Bowl in the 1980s or 90s, look no further than the faded Dan Marino poster still taped to the ceiling over your bed.
Myth: Dan Marino had no defense.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino played 17 seasons in the NFL. Twice, he had the luxury of playing with the league’s No. 1 scoring defense: his rookie year of 1983 (15.6 points per game), and again in 1998 (16.6 points per game). That’s a pretty enviable ratio in a league that had 28 and then 30 teams in Marino’s playing days.
Consider this: Terry Bradshaw played 14 seasons in Pittsburgh and won four Super Bowls. The famed Steel Curtain defense that he played with led the league in scoring just twice in those 14 years. Of Bradshaw's four title teams, only one boasted the league's best scoring defense.
In Marino’s record-setting 1984 season, the Dolphins had the No. 1 scoring offense in football and the No. 6 scoring defense (18.6 points per game). The 1990 Dolphins, meanwhile, boasted the league’s No. 4 scoring defense, surrendering just 15.1 points per game.
There’s no doubt Marino played with some poor defenses in his day, but that’s the price of playing in the league 17 years. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts show that he also played with several defenses more than strong enough to win Super Bowls.
Myth: Marino had no running game.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino joined Miami at a time when it had a reputation of being the best ground team in football. In fact, the year before Marino was drafted, the Dolphins made it all the way to the Super Bowl on the strength of a great running game and great defense.
In Marino’s rookie year, 1983, the Dolphins racked up 2,150 yards on the ground. In 1984, Marino set single-season records with 48 touchdowns and 5,084 yards passing. The Dolphins still managed 1,918 rushing yards and averaged 4.0 yards per carry.
It would be disingenuous to say that the Dolphins were a great running team later in Marino’s career. Of course, much of that can be attributed to too few rushing attempts and a misguided faith placed in Marino’s arm.
But consider this: The New England Patriots went 17-2 and won the Super Bowl last year while averaging a woeful 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. The Dolphins averaged more than 3.4 yards per rushing attempt 14 times in Marino’s 17 seasons. In other words, Marino's Dolphins ran the ball more than well enough to win Super Bowls.
Myth: Marino had to carry the Dolphins himself.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Few quarterbacks in NFL history have been surrounded by more talent than Marino.
In his 17-year career, Marino played with 55 players named to the Pro Bowl. Marino himself was named a Pro Bowler nine times. That’s a remarkable 64 Pro Bowl players, or nearly four for every season Marino spent in the NFL. Four times in Marino’s career, the Dolphins boasted five or more Pro Bowl players in a single season. Compare that with New England’s two Super Bowl teams, which had a total of just five Pro Bowl players.
Marino also had the rare luxury of joining a team that had played in the Super Bowl the year before he arrived. He also played most of his career for the winningest coach in NFL history, Don Shula.
Shula has quite a resume. Working with quarterbacks Bob Griese, Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, he led the Colts and Dolphins to five Super Bowls in 15 years. Over the next 13 seasons, working with Marino, he appeared in just one more Super Bowl. He lost.
If any quarterback in NFL history walked into an ideal situation in which to win a Super Bowl, it was Dan Marino.
Myth: Marino was a big-game quarterback.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Want to know the real reason why Marino never won a Super Bowl? Sadly, the answer sits with Dan Marino himself.
Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Marino has a career regular season passer rating of 86.4. His postseason passer rating was just 77.1. He played in 18 playoff games, and won just eight of them.
In his one Super Bowl appearance (a 38-16 loss to the 49ers in Super Bowl XIX), Marino completed 29 of 50 passes for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. It adds up to a weak 66.9 passer rating. One wonders what might have happened had his two Super Bowl drives that ended in interceptions ended in touchdowns instead.
Remember that 1998 Miami team that had the best defense in football? It made the playoffs, but Marino failed to hold up his end of the bargain. The season ended in the second round of the playoffs, with Marino coughing up two interceptions against Denver and posting a passer rating of just 65.5. Yet another opportunity for Marino to win a Super Bowl tossed into the hands of an opposing defender.
In fact, Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games.
So, DollFans, if you're looking for a reason why Miami never won a Super Bowl in the 1980s or 90s, look no further than the faded Dan Marino poster still taped to the ceiling over your bed.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Actually, Elway lost 3 Super Bowl's, not 4. Marino's numerous postseason failures (and lack of success) make it impossible for me to call him the best ever. He is top 10, for sure, though.
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Elway Lives
Footballguy
No one is going to agree on the "right" answer. I personally think we are in the midst of seeing the all time best QB ever emerge in Manning, but he'll need a few more seasons under his belt to finally reach that point.There were great QBs before 1980...
There are many greats, but I'm a bit disappointed this thread has yet to mention Otto Graham. Played 10 seasons. Went to 10 championship games. Won 7.
http://espn.go.com/classic/obit/s/2003/1217/1688946.html
There are many greats, but I'm a bit disappointed this thread has yet to mention Otto Graham. Played 10 seasons. Went to 10 championship games. Won 7.
http://espn.go.com/classic/obit/s/2003/1217/1688946.html
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Johnny Unitas
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Why do you have to win a Super Bowl to be considered the best ever?
sinatravolta
Footballguy
These supposedly "cold hard facts" aren't all that great. The fact that NE won a Super Bowl with a 3.4 rushing average is an exception to the regular rule, so proves nothing that Marino usually had a better rushing average than that and still didn't win the Super Bowl. Yes you can safely say it would be possible to win a Super Bowl with a bad rushing game, but statistics would show that usually you don't - and it's definitely harder to do so. They talk about Bradshaw winning 4 Super Bowls but only one of those D's being the best scoring D in the league. But what was the rank of the other 3? Was it in the top 5? Top 10? Or what? Because if they were still top 5 or even top 10 - it still was a big help in their championship years. Also - the passer rating thing - I expect the vast majority of QBs have a lower QB rating in the playoffs than the regular season. That's because - you play obviously much better teams on average in the playoffs, with much better D's, and often weather is a factor which can making throwing the ball more difficult. For those QBs whose QB ratings don't drop off in the playoffs (or they go up) - I would guess it's probably because they had good rushing games that opponents had to focus on stopping which opened up the passing game. If you were a team that could get by on only passing in the regular season, the D's are better in the playoffs and are generally more equipped to stop a 1-dimensional attack.Also - in terms of the Pro-Bowl players argument - 17 years, 55 other pro-bowlers. That's a high number, but really only slightly more than 3 per year. Again - the only comparison made is to the Patriots which had 5 pro-bowlers in 2 years (2.5 average). This is again a comparison to probably the Super-Bowl winning team with the fewest pro-bowlers, and is practically meaningless. The Patriots are the most shining example of winning by team and good coaching, rather than on a whole bunch of stars. So again - the fact that the Patriots did it but you didn't is something you could say to basically anybody or any other team. There are some interesting facts in this argument, like that Miami had the #1 scoring D twice in Marino's tenure. However, by presenting just a few facts like this, with little context - really hurt the strength of the argument. Why not just show exactly where the D ranked in all 17 years of Marino's career. And same for the rushing average, and compare it to all the Super Bowl winning teams during Marino's career instead of one Super Bowl team in more recent history. Then, it seems like you could make a balanced argument that while these factors hurt Marino, he didn't have it quite as bad as some people seem to think in terms of supporting cast, running game, Defense.
moleculo
Footballguy
can you name any Denver running back that appeared in the three SB losses? how about a 1000 yard WR from those AFC championship teams? Any other HOF caliber player anywhere - offense, defense, ST? Fact of the matter is that Elway carried an otherwise mediocre Denver team to the SB 3x in 4 years. Think about that a bit - 3 SB's in 4 years and only one HOF caliber player.That all being said, I vote Unitas for best QB evah.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Montana...
It used to be Marino versus Montana it seemed but pretty soon Marino owners are going to be in a quandry because they won't even have the stats argument to fall back on. Favre is a much more accomplished winner (3 time league MVP, only one in history, 2 SB appearances, 1 SB win) and is on the cusp of putting Marino's remaining career records to rest.
It used to be Marino versus Montana it seemed but pretty soon Marino owners are going to be in a quandry because they won't even have the stats argument to fall back on. Favre is a much more accomplished winner (3 time league MVP, only one in history, 2 SB appearances, 1 SB win) and is on the cusp of putting Marino's remaining career records to rest.
GregR_2
Footballguy
I'd say that you're not asking for the "best" QB ever then, you're asking for the one on the most successful team.I think a true measure of a player has to be based on the player's play and leadership over the long haul, and should try to reflect the player more and his surroundings less. It matters more to me how consistently a QB was one of the best at his position, and how much he contributed to his team having a chance to win, and less on how the final score fell out in the end since so many other people played a big role in that result.
Tom Brady is a great example where I think people put too much stock in hype and drama and less in an objective evaluation. Some people hold up the Pats first Super Bowl as a positive example of Brady's ability, when in reality he had a very mediocre game. Only had 1 drive of any substance until he faced a prevent devense, couldn't convert third downs, etc. If Vinatieri misses his kick no one would look at what Brady did in that game as anything other than average. A true measure of a player shouldn't hinge so critically on something that another player on a different unit did, but it does for some people, who get caught up in the drama of it.
On the other hand with Brady, plenty of people will point to the playoff loss to Denver as a negative for him. I think that couldn't be further from the truth. Denver just had devastating blitzes all throughout that game, and I was constantly amazed at Brady's ability to read the blitz and get the ball away for a completion and moving the chains when his O-line just wasn't performing. The fact the Pats lost shouldn't change that doing as well as Brady did that game against that much pressure was a sign of a truly great QB if we're wanting to judge the QB, and not his team's ultimate success that day.
Anyway, that's my 2 cents on judging who the "best" is, and why I think requiring a Super Bowl ring is getting caught up in the hype moreso than making an objective evaluation. In the long run, the "best" QB does not guarrantee a win on a given day, and he doesn't guarrantee a ring over the course of a career. But he should bring the team overall success and at the least a lot of chances where the whole team has to come together to win it.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
If that is the criteria then Bradshaw would be ahead of Brady.
Phlash
Footballguy
Young is another valid answer.Seriously, whoever you think is the best QB ever is going to be the QB who has the skills/attributes you think are most important in a QB, may they be a huge arm (Favre, Manning, Marino, Brady), ultra precision and work ethic (Manning, Montana, Young), great mobility (Favre, Young, Montana), stats (Manning, Young, Marino), or rings (Bradshaw, Brady, Montana, Young, Favre)
popeye
Footballguy
taylorj99
Footballguy
This argument always comes down to the haves and have nots. If you like a guy because he put up great numbers, some knock him because he didn't get the big wins. If you like a guy with rings, some will bash him down because he had a good supporting cast, or hasn't been around long enough, or didn't put up great stats.
Marino will always be, to me, the greatest QB of all time. No stats or lack of Superbowl wins will sway my decision on that. Everyone may not agree, and that's fine. You'll never find a consensus #1.
Marino will always be, to me, the greatest QB of all time. No stats or lack of Superbowl wins will sway my decision on that. Everyone may not agree, and that's fine. You'll never find a consensus #1.
5Rings
Lurker
Take a look at the 1981 team. It pretty much debunks the tired and incorrect "great supporting cast" argument that Elway/Marino fans try and use against Montana. As a niner season ticket holder, I saw all of his home games so I'm definately biased and going to say Joe Montana as the best ever. I remember pre-1981 and the horrible talent and teams and Joe's effect on the entire team.The second best I ever saw was Unitas. My pops says Otto GRaham is in that tier as well.So I'd say :Montana/Unitas/Graham in tier oneFavre/Marino/Bradshaw/Staubach in tier twoYoung/Elway/Moon/ etc in tier three
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Please explain how Johnny Unitas is the greatest ever then? If we compare Favre, Marino, Montana, Young, Manning, Elway, and Brady, Brett Favre's TD to INT ratio is better than only Elway. His Int/att is better than only Elway. Favre throws a pick once every 30.5 attempts, compared to the best on the list, Montana and Young, who threw picks once every 38.8 attempts. Now, lets include Unitas. Unitas had the worst TD to Int ratio of any of these guys (1.14 to Favre's 1.56), and by far the worst Int/att % (4.88% to Favre's 3.28%). Unitas threw a pick every 20.5 attempts to Favre's 30.5.If Favre threw too many picks to be one of the greatest ever, how is Unitas the greatest ever?perry147 said:
Please See Mine
Footballguy
uh, wasn't it Mark Higgs?imafinfan said:
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Moon was good, but ranking him here (despite the added "etc") is a slap in the face to greats like Starr, Jurgenson, Tarkenton, Baugh and Blanda.Just my5Rings said:
moleculo
Footballguy
Unitas played in a different era. He didn't benefit from things like a pocket, hot routes, defensive pass interference, OC's radioing in plays, 16 game seasons, etc, but he did throw a TD in 47 consecutive games.Unitas won AP MVP 2x, UPI MVP 3x, pro bowl MVP 3x, Bert Bell (MVP) award 3x, and NFL championships 3x.
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Angus82
Footballguy
If I had to pick I would show love to Otto Graham, Bart Starr, and Troy Aikman. Most QB discussions focus around titles. I am not shunning Bradshaw, Montana, or Unitas but it seems as though the three guys that I mentioned don't get their props. Bart Starr, 5 titles in 7 years. Otto Graham, 7 titles in 10 years. Troy Aikman, 3 out of 4 while playing with a bunch of self centered stoners. You could also throw in Bobby Layne and Roger Staubach who were great team leaders and led his their respective teams to 2 titles each. These guys were Elway long before the ESPN hype. Of course for one game, you could argue Joe Namath. THE biggest game of the modern era, (Sorry Unitas, '58 Champ game fans.) he famously predicted that the Jets would win. He did what a true leader does and put the weight on his shoulders. The rest, obviously, is football history.
perry147
Footballguy
And Unitas called his own plays not just running the plays sent in from the sidelines. Back when he played the QB called the game not the coach.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
Winning a SuperBowl has very little to do with being a great QB or not. The QB only represents at MOST 15% of the team so the other 85% is important. Elway never won a SB until he had the leagues leading rusher to help. Bradshaw won 4 SB's and he was average considering he had all pros all around him and a great defense to boot. Marino gets the call from me, but Young, Montana could be argued as well. I am leaving Unitas out only because I have not seen enough data.The rest are in the next tier in my opinion
DoubleG
Footballguy
Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, etc., etc., etc.Super Bowl does NOT equal great QB. Did Tom Brady blitz, bewilder and intimidate the Colts in NE in the playoffs?? Ummm...no - it was the NE defense, that got in Manning's head. Tom Brady is a good QB - perhaps even belongs in the "Top 10" discussion, but wins (and especially Super Bowl wins) are too often attributed only to the QB. In one of the most "team" team games, it's a difficult discussion to be sure, and part of it depends on what you're looking for in a QB - leadership? Best arm? Best at picking apart a defense? Most accurate passer? Least likely to turn the ball over? Most athletic?IMHO, I'll take Joe Montana all day and twice on Super Bowl Sunday.bryan11joseph said:
So by that logic, Trent Dilfer can be "considered" as the best ever, right?
hitmenssharpshooters
Footballguy
That means Roethlisberger is a lock
hitmenssharpshooters
Footballguy
Give me marino with no system
Montanta (West Coast)
Elway's 2 SB (Shanny)
Brady (coach who is a HOF with the hood)
I guess if Delhomme had won the SB he might be talked about.
Montanta (West Coast)
Elway's 2 SB (Shanny)
Brady (coach who is a HOF with the hood)
I guess if Delhomme had won the SB he might be talked about.
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
I have to limit this to QB's I have seen play, which means from 1980 - Present. IMO it goes
Montana
Young
Everyone else.
Montana
Young
Everyone else.
commisholio
Come out with your pants down!
Aikman? Seriously? He's the QB on my all-time overrated team.
5Rings
Lurker
Good point. I admit to being a big Warren Moon fan....from his Husky days on forward. The "etc" definately encompasses all of the guys you named (maybe not Blanda) as well as Namath et al.Moon was good, but ranking him here (despite the added "etc") is a slap in the face to greats like Starr, Jurgenson, Tarkenton, Baugh and Blanda.Just my5Rings said:
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Why?
Sidewinder16
Footballguy
Good point. I admit to being a big Warren Moon fan....from his Husky days on forward. The "etc" definately encompasses all of the guys you named (maybe not Blanda) as well as Namath et al.Moon was good, but ranking him here (despite the added "etc") is a slap in the face to greats like Starr, Jurgenson, Tarkenton, Baugh and Blanda.Just my5Rings said:
I'm not a Namath fan, in any way, shape or form, but his impact on the game, especially the infancy of the modern era, is undeniable.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Before you all spin any more wheels that have already been spun, read here first:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...amp;hl=greatest
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...amp;hl=greatest
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
BTW, loving all the Marino love here.
For the record, I'm the biggest Marino fan there is, and I consider Joe Montana to be the best QB to ever play the game.
I'd never admit that while Marino was playing, but Montana really was the epitomal NFL QB.
Who was the best at playing the position? Statistically, Marino tops Monatana by a mile - but he may soon be overshadowed by Favre and, later, by Manning.
Who was the best QB based on what NFL coaches, players, and fans want in their team's QB? Montana.
For the record, I'm the biggest Marino fan there is, and I consider Joe Montana to be the best QB to ever play the game.
I'd never admit that while Marino was playing, but Montana really was the epitomal NFL QB.
Who was the best at playing the position? Statistically, Marino tops Monatana by a mile - but he may soon be overshadowed by Favre and, later, by Manning.
Who was the best QB based on what NFL coaches, players, and fans want in their team's QB? Montana.
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CrossEyed
Guest
Bubby Brister.
No, wait, Kordell Stewart.
No, wait, Kordell Stewart.
