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Greg Jennings or Bernard Berrian (1 Viewer)
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Wheelhouse
Footballguy
This is actually a good question. I like Jenning's presence in the offense more than Berrian. It seems as if Chicago has many options to choose from, whereas Jennings and Driver are the main recipients of Favre's passes. I would be VERY surprised to see Berrian maintain that 20+ yard per rec avg over the next couple games. If he were to keep up his current pace, he'd be the better option, I just don't see that happening. He's not getting that many looks, but he's making the best of his opportunities. I think I'd label them 1a and 1b going forth
1a Jennings
1b Berrian
Garbage yards may vault Jennings value a bit higher, but right now they are about as close to equal as you can get. My opinion of course.
1a Jennings
1b Berrian
Garbage yards may vault Jennings value a bit higher, but right now they are about as close to equal as you can get. My opinion of course.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
The thing about garbage yards is Green Bay rarely gets them. When they get shut down, they get STFD.This is actually a good question. I like Jenning's presence in the offense more than Berrian. It seems as if Chicago has many options to choose from, whereas Jennings and Driver are the main recipients of Favre's passes. I would be VERY surprised to see Berrian maintain that 20+ yard per rec avg over the next couple games. If he were to keep up his current pace, he'd be the better option, I just don't see that happening. He's not getting that many looks, but he's making the best of his opportunities. I think I'd label them 1a and 1b going forth1a Jennings1b BerrianGarbage yards may vault Jennings value a bit higher, but right now they are about as close to equal as you can get. My opinion of course.
LongDrivethenFoozle
Footballguy
Would have been Jennings until last night....Favre will only wish he had as good a season as Grossman. It's hard to imagine.....but true......Berrian 
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Look to targets to catches within the flow of the offense.
28 targets 15 catches for Berrian, in an offense that wants to run the ball.
Jennings has 33 targets and 15 catches on an offense that has needed to throw the ball.
Stick with Berrian.
28 targets 15 catches for Berrian, in an offense that wants to run the ball.
Jennings has 33 targets and 15 catches on an offense that has needed to throw the ball.
Stick with Berrian.
For this year, Berrian. For the long haul, Jennings. Jennings has the potential to be a true #1 WR, Berrian doesn's. For now, Driver is the man in GB, and Berrian is hot. In a dynasty league, I prefer Jennings to Berrian.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
QB health is not the issue for either QB - if Grossman's hurt, I am sure Griese will be able to find Berrian downfield.
offdee
Footballguy
correct answer.Keep in mind that Jennings only played in his 4th NFL game last night and already looks like a solid veteran in all facets of the game. Great hands, great route runner and excellent after the catch....he's only going to get better.Berrian is in his 3rd season and still has a pretty one dimensional game as a downfield threat. Solid complementary WR, but don't ever see taking over as a team's #1 WR, whereas I'll be surprised if Jennings doesn't eventually become a team's top receiving threat over the course of the next couple years.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Some good points made on both Wrs allready so far.
I would like to add that Berrian is not a rookie like Jennings so is production is less likely to falter as often happens with rookie Wrs.
Long term I am not sure as Favre will retire possibly (probobly?) after this season while Grossman is gaining more experience.
I like both but would prefer Berrian if I had to choose redraft or dynasty.
I would like to add that Berrian is not a rookie like Jennings so is production is less likely to falter as often happens with rookie Wrs.
Long term I am not sure as Favre will retire possibly (probobly?) after this season while Grossman is gaining more experience.
I like both but would prefer Berrian if I had to choose redraft or dynasty.
Jennings. Berrian seems like an all or nothing type of player on a team that would rather run the ball and will have leads in a majority of their games. Jennings has the potential to be very good. Add to it that the Pack will most likely always play from behind.madsklz said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Berrian had 6 catches for 70 yards 0 TD against the Vikings who took away the big play from him with thier safeties.
I disagree that Berrian is one dimensional just because he makes explosive plays.
I disagree that Berrian is one dimensional just because he makes explosive plays.
bigupsetter
Footballguy
how can you say that a raight games is the more frafgilguy who sarted 250 straight games is the more fragile guy right now?? lets see grossman start 8 straight games before we say that. plus gonna get real [brrrrr] cold in chitown, with big winds. regardless of the condtions in GB we favre can get the ball there. chicago will go to more running in the cold weather and the numbers will go down for clark, nerrian and grossman
Tat
Has-been punter
I said he is the more fragile of the two right now.Favre looked like he was hurting at the end of the game last night.Favre fragile? He's started 9000000 straight games. Grossman has yet to play a full season.
Looked like a shoulder injury or a head injury. Just speculation at this point.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
you coul dhave said the same thing about Javon Walker a few years back.The KIND of catches are less important then whether that kind of pass is in the team's gameplan every week.And the deep pass to Berrian certainly appears to be in the team's playbook every week, for at least 4 shots.I think the team is hoping to get the safety to play deep on Berrian, and have ot committ two to that player in order to keep the safety from getting up on the line and stopping the run.
SillyWillyJimmy
Footballguy
Berrian seems to have good timing with Rex. He has been injured in the past though, so that is something to be wary of.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
??Not following the logic.I said he is the more fragile of the two right now.Favre looked like he was hurting at the end of the game last night.Favre fragile? He's started 9000000 straight games. Grossman has yet to play a full season.
Looked like a shoulder injury or a head injury. Just speculation at this point.
You mean as of Tuesday morning after a Monday night game in relation to a QB who has not missed a game since 1992?
Tat
Has-been punter
Favre was getting clocked last night.The last hit he took looked pretty bad.??Not following the logic.I said he is the more fragile of the two right now.Favre looked like he was hurting at the end of the game last night.Favre fragile? He's started 9000000 straight games. Grossman has yet to play a full season.
Looked like a shoulder injury or a head injury. Just speculation at this point.
You mean as of Tuesday morning after a Monday night game in relation to a QB who has not missed a game since 1992?
Looked like he injured himself. Didn't it?
edited to add from the MNF Game Recap:
"QB Brett Favre started well but had a bad night overall, throwing two interceptions and failing to find the end zone. He also suffered an apparent head / shoulder injury near the end of the game and was replaced by Aaron Rodgers with the game out of reach."
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EBF
Footballguy
I disagree about Berrian being one dimensional. Just because he can beat people deep doesn't mean he can't also work the intermediate routes. He was an excellent return man in college, so it's not like he's lacking quickness. His emergence reminds me a lot of Chad Johnson's. Chad is another somewhat unheralded first day draft pick who "came out of nowhere" and started putting up 60+ yards every week. It's a bit premature to predict a similar career trajectory for Berrian, but he's flashing some serious talent.
Jennings is also a solid player. He's hardly a physical specimen and I don't think he has the potential to be a dominant player like Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin, but he reminds me a lot of steady blue collar WRs like Keenan McCardell and Rod Smith. He should be a solid player in the league for a while.
Jennings is also a solid player. He's hardly a physical specimen and I don't think he has the potential to be a dominant player like Roy Williams or Anquan Boldin, but he reminds me a lot of steady blue collar WRs like Keenan McCardell and Rod Smith. He should be a solid player in the league for a while.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Maybe he hurt himself - maybe he could have continued playing if it was not 31-9.
We have heard nothing today, so I am leaning towards option #2. And that Favre will be on the field for the Pack's next game, and for every game this year.
I have more confidence of that than that Grossman will go the next 6 weeks w/o injury.
We have heard nothing today, so I am leaning towards option #2. And that Favre will be on the field for the Pack's next game, and for every game this year.
I have more confidence of that than that Grossman will go the next 6 weeks w/o injury.
madsklz
Footballguy
The biggest upside that I see with Berrian is that he is a third year guy, and that's normally when you see receivers start to blossom. There are freaks like Randy Moss, but normally guys neeed a year or too under their belt to get going.
Which is why I also like the upside of Jennings. A rookie that is already perfomring. Granted he did get shut down by Chicago, but first NFL game tuff D. But, overall he's been a decent surprise
Which is why I also like the upside of Jennings. A rookie that is already perfomring. Granted he did get shut down by Chicago, but first NFL game tuff D. But, overall he's been a decent surprise
Tat
Has-been punter
Wanna bet?i
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
FWIW Here's the target breakdown between the two
Total targets:
33 Jennings
28 Berrian
Games with 10+ targets:
2 Jennings (12, 10)
1 Berrian (11)
Targets by quarter
First quarter:
Jennings 6
Berrian 5
2nd quarter:
Berrian 13
Jennings 9
3rd quarter:
Jennings 9
Berrian 6
4th quarter:
Jennings 9
Berrian 4
Led the team in targets
Jennings: once (week 2)
Berrian: never
Targets per game avg:
Jennings 8.2
Berrian 7.0
Total targets:
33 Jennings
28 Berrian
Games with 10+ targets:
2 Jennings (12, 10)
1 Berrian (11)
Targets by quarter
First quarter:
Jennings 6
Berrian 5
2nd quarter:
Berrian 13
Jennings 9
3rd quarter:
Jennings 9
Berrian 6
4th quarter:
Jennings 9
Berrian 4
Led the team in targets
Jennings: once (week 2)
Berrian: never
Targets per game avg:
Jennings 8.2
Berrian 7.0
pmccurry
Footballguy
this is what i call insight! wow- did you formulate this list or did you get it from the premium content on this website?very, very
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
A little bit of both, but the raw numbers came from the premium content.this is what i call insight! wow- did you formulate this list or did you get it from the premium content on this website?very, very
madsklz
Footballguy
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
This year Jennings
Long term Berrian.
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Favre will be throwing early and often for the rest of the year.
Jennings should get tons of action.
Aaron Rodgers will have
huge impact on the success of Jennings
for the long term. I would much rather have
Grossman with the top D in the NFL, this
combo of a solid QB and defense
will give Chicago a huge time of possession advantage,
thus more opportunities from a better QB.
Long term Berrian.
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Favre will be throwing early and often for the rest of the year.
Jennings should get tons of action.
Aaron Rodgers will have
huge impact on the success of Jennings
for the long term. I would much rather have
Grossman with the top D in the NFL, this
combo of a solid QB and defense
will give Chicago a huge time of possession advantage,
thus more opportunities from a better QB.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
See - this is one reason we're worth your 25 bucks.Data dominator and stats.A little bit of both, but the raw numbers came from the premium content.this is what i call insight! wow- did you formulate this list or did you get it from the premium content on this website?very, very
madsklz
Footballguy
with another week that went by, they put up similar stats.
I will say that I did enjoy watching Berrian getting some slants as well as getting bombs.
Jennings played a so-so DEF and put up good numbers.
I like Berrian being in his third year, with a healthy Grossman. BUT if Grossman goes down (again) we all saw how anemic that the Bears offense was without him.
I'm still on the fence on who is the better WR, for this year and next couple
I will say that I did enjoy watching Berrian getting some slants as well as getting bombs.
Jennings played a so-so DEF and put up good numbers.
I like Berrian being in his third year, with a healthy Grossman. BUT if Grossman goes down (again) we all saw how anemic that the Bears offense was without him.
I'm still on the fence on who is the better WR, for this year and next couple
They both have looked great and are exceeding expectations. I don't think this question can be answered by looking at the two of them, but by their QB situations. So, it's an oft-injured Grossman and an aging Favre. Assuming Grossman stays healthy and is the franchise QB and Favre retires, I'd give the edge to Berrian because Jennings will have to create a rapport with a new struggling QB. But these are two huge assumptions.
Fiddles
Footballguy
they have griese nowi think the unknown rodgers factor makes me lean towards berrian
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I concur.The prospect of Aaron Rodgers as opposedto the Grossman (Griese insurance) situationmakes me lean towards Berrian.
