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[LHUCKS]

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2. Colts

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32. Cincinnati Bengals

 

[Ilov80s]

funny, but not surprising

 

[flranger]

What a fantastic statistic. I'd love to hear the sock puppets talk about this one all weekend (but they won't).

 

[BassNBrew]

I'd venture they aren't west coast teams.

 

[TommyGilmore]

What's your source for this?

 

[kd1]

pretty damn interesting

 

[kd1]

do you have the %'s?

 

[flapgreen]

What's your source for this?

:X

 

[Mr Capicollo]

Fact: those two teams have the highest number of white players on their roster.

Is it coincidence or not?

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

What's your source for this?

http://www.pac-10.org/Link

http://www.pac-10.org/http://www.pac-10.org/

http://www.pac-10.org/

 

[Capella]

Those two teams also have the higher percentage of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on their rosters.

 

[MCguidance]

Those two teams also have the higher percentage of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on their rosters.

 

[kd1]

so, you just completely made that up?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Fact: those two teams have the highest number of white players on their roster. Is it coincidence or not?

 

[Weiner Dog]

OK, so the Pats and Colts do not draft underclassman. It's not as if NFL players are signed straight from high school.

 

[Max Power]

The Pats are Colts are also the two whitest teams in the NFL

 

[LHUCKS]

What's your source for this?

ESPN radio was discussing it this morning...I'm sure you can confirm it elsewhere though.

 

[LHUCKS]

pretty damn interesting

I thought so.

 

[BigRed]

Fact: those two teams have the highest number of white players on their roster. Is it coincidence or not?

Of course it is you racist. Just like the extremely high % of blacks in jail is a nation-wide conspiracy between all the cops and lawyers and judges. Stop dissin.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Those two teams also have the higher percentage of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on their rosters.

 

[MarcO]

Fact: those two teams have the highest number of white players on their roster. Is it coincidence or not?

Link?not that I doubt you I just curious to see the the entire list or actually both lists...

 

[TommyGilmore]

Fact: those two teams have the highest number of white players on their roster.

Is it coincidence or not?

Link?

Jason Whitlock just did a column on this topic:

A little-publicized fact is that the Colts and the Patriots — the league's model franchises — are two of the whitest teams in the NFL. If you count rookie receiver Anthony Gonzalez, the Colts opened the season with an NFL-high 24 white players on their 53-man roster. Toss in linebacker Naivote Taulawakeiaho "Freddie" Keiaho and 47 percent of Tony Dungy's defending Super Bowl-champion roster is non-African-American. Bill Belichick's Patriots are nearly as white, boasting a 23-man non-African-American roster, counting linebacker Tiaina "Junior" Seau and backup quarterback Matt Gutierrez.

 

[mad sweeney]

Fact: those two teams have the highest number of white players on their roster. Is it coincidence or not?

We'd need to see a lot more stats to even make a rudimentary observation on that. % or graduates to non-grads that are black vs the same for the white players, or non black if you want to lump the islanders and hispanics in with the whites. It's a stereotypical first response to link the two. Doesn't mean it's incorrect though. I would love to see the stats on race and graduation rates. As well as comparing graduation rates with criminal problems once in the league, might make drafting a little wiser for certain teams (ahem Bengals)

 

[Chunky Soup]

Guess what teams have the least amount of PAC-10 players on their team?

1. Patriots

2. Colts

(EDIT: I made this up)

 

[FFdork]

Fact: those two teams have the highest number of white players on their roster.

Is it coincidence or not?

Link?

Jason Whitlock just did a column on this topic:

A little-publicized fact is that the Colts and the Patriots — the league's model franchises — are two of the whitest teams in the NFL. If you count rookie receiver Anthony Gonzalez, the Colts opened the season with an NFL-high 24 white players on their 53-man roster. Toss in linebacker Naivote Taulawakeiaho "Freddie" Keiaho and 47 percent of Tony Dungy's defending Super Bowl-champion roster is non-African-American. Bill Belichick's Patriots are nearly as white, boasting a 23-man non-African-American roster, counting linebacker Tiaina "Junior" Seau and backup quarterback Matt Gutierrez.

Whitlock writes another racially charged article I think he has a point (to an extent) about the negative influence of some aspects hip hop culture, but the broad strokes he uses to paint black players, white players, hip hop and rock musicians are more harmful than helpful IMO. But hey, that's his MO: write race-baiting articles to further his career.

 

[PahtyTom]

I wonder where Buffalo ranks. For some reason I feel that they are near the top.

 

[Phlash]

Not even a little bit surprised, Polian and Pioli weigh heavily on a player's intelligence before drafting them.

Raw ability + Smarts = coachable into a potential impact player

 

[Saints-Man]

1. Patriots2. Colts................................32. Cincinnati Bengals

I attempted to goole this, but could not find the original source. A ranking of all 32 teams would be very interesting.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Those two teams also have the higher percentage of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on their rosters.

:X

So? The Bengals have Palmer, and he's probably just as good as those two QBs.Clearly he has less white people (and thus college graduates) around him.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Those two teams also have the higher percentage of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on their rosters.

So? The Bengals have Palmer, and he's probably just as good as those two QBs.Clearly he has less white people (and thus college graduates) around him.

 

[ceo3west]

I wonder where Buffalo ranks. For some reason I feel that they are near the top.

Levy has always been a huge advocate for the "smart" football player. If they aren't near the top already, they will be soon.

 

[shadyridr]

that is pretty interesting IMO

 

[timschochet]

As someone pointed out, Jason Whitlock is making a living writing racially charged articles. Then conservatives can point to them and say, "Here is a Black man who agrees with us!". Whitlock's arguments should be examined on their merits, but also take his motivation into account.

It is sheer racism and disgusting to even attempt to examine team success or failure based on skin color. Unfortunately there are too many among us who seem to want to do this, and to question in general every time a black man is in a thinking position. That is why what Donovan McNabbb said earlier this year is essentially correct, that African-American QBs (and HCs as well) are under a greater amount of scrutiny.

The question of college education is another issue entirely, but I suspect if what the OP writes is true, the sample is still too small to make any kind of informed conclusion. We would have to look at previous great teams and champions in the NFL, as well as other sports, and see what the correlation is on a much larger scale to do this. As a college graduate myself, I can assure you that this acheivement alone is hardly the end-all in weighing someone's intelligence, ability, or eventual success level. The fact that two recent great teams have this statistic by a few players over their peers should mean nothing at all.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

As someone pointed out, Jason Whitlock is making a living writing racially charged articles. Then conservatives can point to them and say, "Here is a Black man who agrees with us!". Whitlock's arguments should be examined on their merits, but also take his motivation into account.It is sheer racism and disgusting to even attempt to examine team success or failure based on skin color. Unfortunately there are too many among us who seem to want to do this, and to question in general every time a black man is in a thinking position. That is why what Donovan McNabbb said earlier this year is essentially correct, that African-American QBs (and HCs as well) are under a greater amount of scrutiny. The question of college education is another issue entirely, but I suspect if what the OP writes is true, the sample is still too small to make any kind of informed conclusion. We would have to look at previous great teams and champions in the NFL, as well as other sports, and see what the correlation is on a much larger scale to do this. As a college graduate myself, I can assure you that this acheivement alone is hardly the end-all in weighing someone's intelligence, ability, or eventual success level. The fact that two recent great teams have this statistic by a few players over their peers should mean nothing at all.

zzzzzz

 

[Footballhead]

So we can lump hispanics as whites when it serves our purpose for statistics manipulation, eh?

Disclaimer: This coming from a non-black guy.

 

[Futeki]

As someone pointed out, Jason Whitlock is making a living writing racially charged articles. Then conservatives can point to them and say, "Here is a Black man who agrees with us!". Whitlock's arguments should be examined on their merits, but also take his motivation into account.

zzzzzz

Actually, his statement is very interesting. It makes me wonder where in the Crayola Crayon Box is "conservative."I know who has the problem here.

 

[TommyGilmore]

So we can lump hispanics as whites when it serves our purpose for statistics manipulation, eh?

There are white hispanics. And black ones too. HTH.

 

[timschochet]

As someone pointed out, Jason Whitlock is making a living writing racially charged articles. Then conservatives can point to them and say, "Here is a Black man who agrees with us!". Whitlock's arguments should be examined on their merits, but also take his motivation into account.

zzzzzz

Actually, his statement is very interesting. It makes me wonder where in the Crayola Crayon Box is "conservative."I know who has the problem here.

Yes, you're correct, I do have a problem with this. If Whitlock's arguments were made by a white man, they would be seen by all as inherently racist. It is racist to suggest that we can measure success by skin color. It is also racist, though more subtly so, to suggest that young Black men are less successful than their white counterparts due to the "hip hop" culture. There are far more young whites who listen to and are influenced by the "hip-hop" culture than Blacks; the inference is that somehow whites can handle these "bad" influences, while Blacks cannot.

I do not want to paint all conservatives with the same broad brush, but there are plenty who subscribe to at least some of the above arguments to classify them, IMO, as subtly racist. They are the ones who might point out the number of whites on each team. Prominent examples would include, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O' Reilly, and Sean Hannity, among others. In order to hide their own racism (even from themselves), they use Whitlock's articles as a cover.

This is what I meant by statement and I stand by it. If you disagree, please feel free to provide contradictory evidence.

 

[Sweeper]

Those two teams also have the higher percentage of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on their rosters.

 

[coolnerd]

From Wednesday Dallas Morning News (print edition) October 31, 2007.

"According to federal graduation rates released by the NCAA, 63 percent of Division I athletes who stated college as freshman in 2000 graduated in six years. That beats the graduation rate for all students at Division I schools by 1 percent and equaled last year's percentage.

White athletes has a 67 percent graduation rate, compared to 64 percent for white students overall. Black athletes also outperformed their student-body counterpoints, 53 percent to 46 percent"

Note: These are all sport, both mens and womens numbers.

There is a race report (not the exact term) put out by the NCAA every year. I will try to remember where I have it saved and link it.

 

[Paddy O'Seanessy]

As someone pointed out, Jason Whitlock is making a living writing racially charged articles. Then conservatives can point to them and say, "Here is a Black man who agrees with us!". Whitlock's arguments should be examined on their merits, but also take his motivation into account.It is sheer racism and disgusting to even attempt to examine team success or failure based on skin color. Unfortunately there are too many among us who seem to want to do this, and to question in general every time a black man is in a thinking position. That is why what Donovan McNabbb said earlier this year is essentially correct, that African-American QBs (and HCs as well) are under a greater amount of scrutiny. The question of college education is another issue entirely, but I suspect if what the OP writes is true, the sample is still too small to make any kind of informed conclusion. We would have to look at previous great teams and champions in the NFL, as well as other sports, and see what the correlation is on a much larger scale to do this. As a college graduate myself, I can assure you that this acheivement alone is hardly the end-all in weighing someone's intelligence, ability, or eventual success level. The fact that two recent great teams have this statistic by a few players over their peers should mean nothing at all.

Liberal drivel -- thank you for attacking the messenger and ignoring the message.from the article:"Race is not the determining factor when it comes to having a good or bad attitude."

 

[Dave Stauff]

Hypothesis: Teams with more top 10 draft picks have more non-graduates on their rosters.

 

[D_House]

Those two teams also have the higher percentage of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on their rosters.

 

[timschochet]

As someone pointed out, Jason Whitlock is making a living writing racially charged articles. Then conservatives can point to them and say, "Here is a Black man who agrees with us!". Whitlock's arguments should be examined on their merits, but also take his motivation into account.It is sheer racism and disgusting to even attempt to examine team success or failure based on skin color. Unfortunately there are too many among us who seem to want to do this, and to question in general every time a black man is in a thinking position. That is why what Donovan McNabbb said earlier this year is essentially correct, that African-American QBs (and HCs as well) are under a greater amount of scrutiny. The question of college education is another issue entirely, but I suspect if what the OP writes is true, the sample is still too small to make any kind of informed conclusion. We would have to look at previous great teams and champions in the NFL, as well as other sports, and see what the correlation is on a much larger scale to do this. As a college graduate myself, I can assure you that this acheivement alone is hardly the end-all in weighing someone's intelligence, ability, or eventual success level. The fact that two recent great teams have this statistic by a few players over their peers should mean nothing at all.

Liberal drivel -- thank you for attacking the messenger and ignoring the message.from the article:"Race is not the determining factor when it comes to having a good or bad attitude."

Didn't I say that Whitlock's arguments should be taken on their merits? Is that ignoring the message?I also wrote in another post that Whitlock will never say that race is the determining factor; he'll blame it on the "hip-hop culture". But again, since many more whites listen to hip-hop than blacks do, to use this as a determinant leads us back to what he won't say out loud but is implying: that Whites can handle the stuff, but Blacks can't. Totally, utterly racist.Is this "drivel" in your mind as well?

 

[coolnerd]

There is a race report (not the exact term) put out by the NCAA every year. I will try to remember where I have it saved and link it.

Not the exact NCAA report, but works for the conversasion here as they used the NCAA's work in the research.http://www.bus.ucf.edu/sport/public/downlo...R_Grad_Rate.pdf

“Overall at the 119 Division I-A schools, 62 percent of white football student-athletes graduated

versus 49 percent of African-American football student-athletes. However, it must be noted that

African-American and white football players graduate at a higher rate than their male nonathletic

peers in the student body

 

[timschochet]

There is a race report (not the exact term) put out by the NCAA every year. I will try to remember where I have it saved and link it.

Not the exact NCAA report, but works for the conversasion here as they used the NCAA's work in the research.http://www.bus.ucf.edu/sport/public/downlo...R_Grad_Rate.pdf

“Overall at the 119 Division I-A schools, 62 percent of white football student-athletes graduated

versus 49 percent of African-American football student-athletes. However, it must be noted that

African-American and white football players graduate at a higher rate than their male nonathletic

peers in the student body

This probably belongs in free for all, but I'll go ahead and say it: the disparity listed here between Black and white athletes graduating will continue until we as a nation address the socio-economic conditions under which so many African-Americans receive an inferior level of primary and high school education. The "hip-hop" culture has very little to do with it, whatever idiots like Bill O'Reilly and Jason Whitlock think.

 

[PatrickT]

Yes, you're correct, I do have a problem with this.

If Whitlock's arguments were made by a white man, they would be seen by all as inherently racist. It is racist to suggest that we can measure success by skin color. It is also racist, though more subtly so, to suggest that young Black men are less successful than their white counterparts due to the "hip hop" culture. There are far more young whites who listen to and are influenced by the "hip-hop" culture than Blacks; the inference is that somehow whites can handle these "bad" influences, while Blacks cannot.

I do not want to paint all conservatives with the same broad brush, but there are plenty who subscribe to at least some of the above arguments to classify them, IMO, as subtly racist. They are the ones who might point out the number of whites on each team. Prominent examples would include, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O' Reilly, and Sean Hannity, among others. In order to hide their own racism (even from themselves), they use Whitlock's articles as a cover.

This is what I meant by statement and I stand by it. If you disagree, please feel free to provide contradictory evidence.

Racism is perhaps the most grossly abused word in the english language. The first bolded sentence _could_ be racist depending on how you're doing the measuring. The second is clearly not racist, but is certainly bigoted.Racism: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

Bigotry: Strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

Drives me crazy. Carry on.

 

[Mr Capicollo]

As someone pointed out, Jason Whitlock is making a living writing racially charged articles. Then conservatives can point to them and say, \"Here is a Black man who agrees with us!\". Whitlock\'s arguments should be examined on their merits, but also take his motivation into account.

It is sheer racism and disgusting to even attempt to examine team success or failure based on skin color. Unfortunately there are too many among us who seem to want to do this, and to question in general every time a black man is in a thinking position. That is why what Donovan McNabbb said earlier this year is essentially correct, that African-American QBs (and HCs as well) are under a greater amount of scrutiny.

The question of college education is another issue entirely, but I suspect if what the OP writes is true, the sample is still too small to make any kind of informed conclusion. We would have to look at previous great teams and champions in the NFL, as well as other sports, and see what the correlation is on a much larger scale to do this. As a college graduate myself, I can assure you that this acheivement alone is hardly the end-all in weighing someone\'s intelligence, ability, or eventual success level. The fact that two recent great teams have this statistic by a few players over their peers should mean nothing at all.

Liberal drivel -- thank you for attacking the messenger and ignoring the message.from the article:

\"Race is not the determining factor when it comes to having a good or bad attitude.\"

Didn\'t I say that Whitlock\'s arguments should be taken on their merits? Is that ignoring the message?I also wrote in another post that Whitlock will never say that race is the determining factor; he\'ll blame it on the \"hip-hop culture\". But again, since many more whites listen to hip-hop than blacks do, to use this as a determinant leads us back to what he won\'t say out loud but is implying: that Whites can handle the stuff, but Blacks can\'t. Totally, utterly racist.

Is this \"drivel\" in your mind as well?

Help me out here as I\'m not very smart. How are the two bolded statements by you not inconsistent with each other?

 

[Dante Hicks]

Those two teams also have the higher percentage of Tom Brady and Peyton Manning on their rosters.

 

[Dante Hicks]

Fact: those two teams have the highest number of white players on their roster. Is it coincidence or not?

Of course it is you racist. Just like the extremely high % of blacks in jail is a nation-wide conspiracy between all the cops and lawyers and judges. Stop dissin.

It would be nice if just once, you had some clue as to what you were saying before you pressed "add reply".Just once.