Gun that killed 3-year-old... (1 Viewer)

[glock]

...was left loaded on table, deputies say.

When 3-year-old Zuri Chambers picked her dad's loaded pistol up off a table two weeks ago and pulled the trigger, it was the third time she'd toyed with a gun in her home, deputies say.

It would also be the last time. The little girl died in the hospital as result of the gunshot wound she accidentally caused.

Now, Zuri's dad stands charged with aggravated manslaughter of a child in the wake of the Feb. 13 shooting at his family's Lake Worth home. The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office says the charge is warranted because 41-year-old Thomas Chambers left a gun out despite being schooled in safe handling of firearms and despite knowing his daughter had picked them up before.

Chambers, who had a concealed carry license and no criminal history in Florida, was released hours after his arrest Sunday, but declined to comment. At the time of the shooting, a family member said he was a responsible gun owner and the "most wonderful father in the world."

Florida law requires gun owners to keep firearms in a locked box unless carrying them or keeping them close enough to easily use. But Zuri had gotten hold of her dad's guns at least twice before. Once, according to Chambers' arrest report, Zuri's mother woke up to the child pointing one at her. Another time, Zuri grabbed a firearm that was sitting in a laundry basket.

Chambers told investigators he never imagined the toddler was strong enough to pull the trigger, which requires 10 pounds of pressure, according to the report.

The day of the shooting, Chambers was watching Zuri and her 7-month-old sister while his wife worked, according to his arrest report. Around 5 p.m., he started getting ready for work, setting his Kel-Tec 9 mm semi-automatic pistol on a table by the front door so he wouldn't forget it.

Chambers was getting dressed when he heard a "very loud pop." He thought it might be fireworks or backfire from a car, but still sprinted toward the sound. Zuri was near the door, bleeding from her head.

Deputies rushed to the house on the 1200 block of North O Street. Zuri was airlifted to Delray Medical Center, where she was pronounced dead at 5:59 p.m., the report said.

Chambers told investigators he takes his gun to work because he has to make nightly bank deposits. Sun Sentinel news partner CBS12 reported Chambers works at Go Yo! Frozen Yogurt.

Walking through the family's house on Feb. 13, a deputy saw a fully-loaded pistol on top of an acoustic amplifier in Chambers' room and an unloaded shotgun in his closet.

The next day, an autopsy confirmed Zuri's death was caused by an accidental, self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

A Florida Department of Children and Families investigation launched in response to the shooting remains open, spokeswoman Paige Patterson-Hughes said Monday. The family has no prior history with the agency.

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Not to pile on this poor father or get all Posty just for posty sake, but I'm wondering just how many "responsible gun owners" out there get this lax at home when it comes to gun safety?

I can't even imagine what is going on inside his head now. The definition of a tortured soul. T & P to him and his family...

 

[Mr. Retukes]

These types of shootings shouldn't be called "accidental".

 

[tommyboy]

...was left loaded on table, deputies say.

When 3-year-old Zuri Chambers picked her dad's loaded pistol up off a table two weeks ago and pulled the trigger, it was the third time she'd toyed with a gun in her home, deputies say.

It would also be the last time. The little girl died in the hospital as result of the gunshot wound she accidentally caused.

Now, Zuri's dad stands charged with aggravated manslaughter of a child in the wake of the Feb. 13 shooting at his family's Lake Worth home. The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office says the charge is warranted because 41-year-old Thomas Chambers left a gun out despite being schooled in safe handling of firearms and despite knowing his daughter had picked them up before.

Chambers, who had a concealed carry license and no criminal history in Florida, was released hours after his arrest Sunday, but declined to comment. At the time of the shooting, a family member said he was a responsible gun owner and the "most wonderful father in the world."

Florida law requires gun owners to keep firearms in a locked box unless carrying them or keeping them close enough to easily use. But Zuri had gotten hold of her dad's guns at least twice before. Once, according to Chambers' arrest report, Zuri's mother woke up to the child pointing one at her. Another time, Zuri grabbed a firearm that was sitting in a laundry basket.

Chambers told investigators he never imagined the toddler was strong enough to pull the trigger, which requires 10 pounds of pressure, according to the report.

The day of the shooting, Chambers was watching Zuri and her 7-month-old sister while his wife worked, according to his arrest report. Around 5 p.m., he started getting ready for work, setting his Kel-Tec 9 mm semi-automatic pistol on a table by the front door so he wouldn't forget it.

Chambers was getting dressed when he heard a "very loud pop." He thought it might be fireworks or backfire from a car, but still sprinted toward the sound. Zuri was near the door, bleeding from her head.

Deputies rushed to the house on the 1200 block of North O Street. Zuri was airlifted to Delray Medical Center, where she was pronounced dead at 5:59 p.m., the report said.

Chambers told investigators he takes his gun to work because he has to make nightly bank deposits. Sun Sentinel news partner CBS12 reported Chambers works at Go Yo! Frozen Yogurt.

Walking through the family's house on Feb. 13, a deputy saw a fully-loaded pistol on top of an acoustic amplifier in Chambers' room and an unloaded shotgun in his closet.

The next day, an autopsy confirmed Zuri's death was caused by an accidental, self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

A Florida Department of Children and Families investigation launched in response to the shooting remains open, spokeswoman Paige Patterson-Hughes said Monday. The family has no prior history with the agency.

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Not to pile on this poor father or get all Posty just for posty sake, but I'm wondering just how many "responsible gun owners" out there get this lax at home when it comes to gun safety?

I can't even imagine what is going on inside his head now. The definition of a tortured soul. T & P to him and his family...

Very few, this man was a moron, and evil

 

[msommer]

No safety?

 

[Sabertooth]

Sounds like a total moron.

 

[Jobber]

No safety?

Probably a Glock. IIRC "the trigger is the saftey" kind of gun.

 

[Sabertooth]

Hope he goes to jail for a long time.

 

[msommer]

No safety?

Probably a Glock. IIRC "the trigger is the saftey" kind of gun.

Kel-Tec 9 mm semi-automatic pistol

But a little googling says they also don't have a safety.

Rot in jail, moron

ETA: The owner of the gun, obviously. Not you, Jobber

 

[NCCommish]

...was left loaded on table, deputies say.

When 3-year-old Zuri Chambers picked her dad's loaded pistol up off a table two weeks ago and pulled the trigger, it was the third time she'd toyed with a gun in her home, deputies say.

It would also be the last time. The little girl died in the hospital as result of the gunshot wound she accidentally caused.

Now, Zuri's dad stands charged with aggravated manslaughter of a child in the wake of the Feb. 13 shooting at his family's Lake Worth home. The Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office says the charge is warranted because 41-year-old Thomas Chambers left a gun out despite being schooled in safe handling of firearms and despite knowing his daughter had picked them up before.

Chambers, who had a concealed carry license and no criminal history in Florida, was released hours after his arrest Sunday, but declined to comment. At the time of the shooting, a family member said he was a responsible gun owner and the "most wonderful father in the world."

Florida law requires gun owners to keep firearms in a locked box unless carrying them or keeping them close enough to easily use. But Zuri had gotten hold of her dad's guns at least twice before. Once, according to Chambers' arrest report, Zuri's mother woke up to the child pointing one at her. Another time, Zuri grabbed a firearm that was sitting in a laundry basket.

Chambers told investigators he never imagined the toddler was strong enough to pull the trigger, which requires 10 pounds of pressure, according to the report.

The day of the shooting, Chambers was watching Zuri and her 7-month-old sister while his wife worked, according to his arrest report. Around 5 p.m., he started getting ready for work, setting his Kel-Tec 9 mm semi-automatic pistol on a table by the front door so he wouldn't forget it.

Chambers was getting dressed when he heard a "very loud pop." He thought it might be fireworks or backfire from a car, but still sprinted toward the sound. Zuri was near the door, bleeding from her head.

Deputies rushed to the house on the 1200 block of North O Street. Zuri was airlifted to Delray Medical Center, where she was pronounced dead at 5:59 p.m., the report said.

Chambers told investigators he takes his gun to work because he has to make nightly bank deposits. Sun Sentinel news partner CBS12 reported Chambers works at Go Yo! Frozen Yogurt.

Walking through the family's house on Feb. 13, a deputy saw a fully-loaded pistol on top of an acoustic amplifier in Chambers' room and an unloaded shotgun in his closet.

The next day, an autopsy confirmed Zuri's death was caused by an accidental, self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head.

A Florida Department of Children and Families investigation launched in response to the shooting remains open, spokeswoman Paige Patterson-Hughes said Monday. The family has no prior history with the agency.

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Not to pile on this poor father or get all Posty just for posty sake, but I'm wondering just how many "responsible gun owners" out there get this lax at home when it comes to gun safety?

I can't even imagine what is going on inside his head now. The definition of a tortured soul. T & P to him and his family...

Very few, this man was a moron, and evil

Enough that we read about it happening nearly 7 days a week.

 

[FigJam]

These types of shootings shouldn't be called "accidental".

And they should be called?

 

[Pots]

No safety?

He left a loaded gun within reach of a 3 year old who has picked it up and played with it before. If he's going to do all that kind of stupid, he probably would have left the safety off as well even if it had one.

Seriously, this is why responsible gun owners take out the magazine from the gun as soon as they're home, with NO kids around. With kids around, they do that and lock it up somewhere. There's no reason to leave a loaded gun in the house with the magazine inside unless you're both lazy and negligent.

 

[Abraham]

These types of shootings shouldn't be called "accidental".

 

[Abraham]

These types of shootings shouldn't be called "accidental".

And they should be called?

Criminally negligent.

 

[Otis]

Less gun control! Second amendment! Our RIGHTS! MMMMMMURICA!!!

 

[Otis]

This is why we can't have nice things. Seriously. Half of this country, maybe more, are stupid and irresponsible. They should not have a right to steak knives, let alone guns.

 

[Treynwreck3]

As soon as I walk in my door, my pistol goes in a locked gun safe. I can get to it in less than 2 seconds, so it's not like it's out of hand if I need it. I cannot imagine leaving a loaded gun on a table in my house, and I don't have little children. Tragic story, but entirely preventable.

 

[glock]

Soooo, out of 100% of the folks out there who have concealed carry permits- who tote their piece back and forth to work, play, movies, etc- and were schooled in safe handling of firearms, how many would YOU say treat their weapons like the killing machines they are when they walk in the door at home??

I've always wondered whether or not enough familiarity with a gun- handling it so frequently on a day to day basis- helps serve to break down the respect/fear you might start out with when dealing with a gun. Much like how we can come to take driving around a few thousand pounds of steel for granted.

I could see it happening with a gun. Apparently it does.

 

[msommer]

As soon as I walk in my door, my pistol goes in a locked gun safe. I can get to it in less than 2 seconds, so it's not like it's out of hand if I need it. I cannot imagine leaving a loaded gun on a table in my house, and I don't have little children. Tragic story, but entirely preventable.

Small house.

Probably very environmentally friendly too...

 

[DiStefano]

Of course it's a tragedy, and of course he's a moron.

But, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

 

[Abraham]

Of course it's a tragedy, and of course he's a moron.

But, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

I hate "logic" like that. Just because something is more or less likely than something else doesn't justify it.

 

[Clifford]

These types of shootings shouldn't be called "accidental".

And they should be called?

Sorry, criminal negligence, like Abe said.

This guy goes to work at 5pm. Apparently carries a loaded gun to work. For some reason he was carrying a loaded gun before going to work.

Did his job necessitate carrying a loaded firearm? If not, what kind of mental state are you in to just carry around a loaded gun in your house.

If you have a concealed carry permit, do you take your gun with you every time you leave the house?

 

[NCCommish]

Of course it's a tragedy, and of course he's a moron.

But, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

In the three years of 1996 to 1998 678 people aged 5 to 24 drowned. From 2006 to 2010 561 children under 12 were killed by handguns. That statistic doesn't include any shooting ruled an accident.

 

[Abraham]

These types of shootings shouldn't be called "accidental".

And they should be called?

Negligent homicide?

 

[Clifford]

Of course it's a tragedy, and of course he's a moron.

But, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

In the three years of 1996 to 1998 678 people aged 5 to 24 drowned. From 2006 to 2010 561 children under 12 were killed by handguns. That statistic doesn't include any shooting ruled an accident.

Wait so if a shooting is ruled an accident, even though a child in that range was killed, it gets scrubbed from the numbers? WTF kind of logic is that?

 

[msommer]

Of course it's a tragedy, and of course he's a moron.

But, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

Sure and your point is that we should let 100 guns lie unsupervised if we do not have a swimming pool in the yard?

 

[Clifford]

These types of shootings shouldn't be called "accidental".

And they should be called?

Negligent homicide?

Actually this might be right, considering the circumstances

Negligent homicide is a criminal charge brought against people who, through criminal negligence, allow others to die.

Negligent homicide is a lesser included offense to first and second degree murder, in the sense that someone guilty of this offense can expect a more lenient sentence, often with imprisonment time comparable to manslaughter. U.S. states all define negligent homicide by statute. In some, the offense includes the killing of another while driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Examples of such cases include the crash of Aeroperu Flight 603 near Lima, Peru. The accident was caused by a piece of duct tape that was accidentally left over the static ports (on the bottom side of the fuselage) after cleaning the aircraft, which led to the crash. Employee Eleuterio Chacaliaza left the tape on by accident[1] and was charged with negligent homicide.

I think given that the two previous incidents he could get that.

 

[Hang 10]

Of course it's a tragedy, and of course he's a moron.

But, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

In the three years of 1996 to 1998 678 people aged 5 to 24 drowned. From 2006 to 2010 561 children under 12 were killed by handguns. That statistic doesn't include any shooting ruled an accident.

What's with the mixed matched statistics?

 

[Doubtingthomas]

This is why we can't have nice things. Seriously. Half of this country, maybe more, are stupid and irresponsible. They should not have a right to steak knives, let alone guns.

Yeah Otis is here to save us from ourselves,if only we could all be like him!

 

[Otis]

Of course it's a tragedy, and of course he's a moron.

But, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

And cars kill even more kids, so what are we gonna do, outlaw cars now??!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!

?!

 

[Otis]

This is why we can't have nice things. Seriously. Half of this country, maybe more, are stupid and irresponsible. They should not have a right to steak knives, let alone guns.

Yeah Otis is here to save us from ourselves,if only we could all be like him!

You buffoons would at least be shooting each other less.

 

[NCCommish]

Of course it's a tragedy, and of course he's a moron.

But, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

In the three years of 1996 to 1998 678 people aged 5 to 24 drowned. From 2006 to 2010 561 children under 12 were killed by handguns. That statistic doesn't include any shooting ruled an accident.

What's with the mixed matched statistics?

Well I was using Jons example and unfortunately I couldn't find newer drowning numbers.

 

[Clifford]

More recent stats:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/guns-child-deaths-more-than-cancer/2073259/

In 2010, 15,576 children and teenagers were injured by firearms — three times more than the number of U.S. soldiers injured in the war in Afghanistan, according to the defense fund.

Nationally, guns still kill twice as many children and young people than cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine.

then this beaut

Accidental firearms injuries have been on the decline nationwide. In 2001, 5,091 children ages 19 and under were injured by a firearm. Those numbers steadily decreased through 2009, when 3,587 children under 19 were reported injured by a firearm, according to the defense fund.

So according to this one article, the numbers jumped almost 5x in one year, from 3587 to 15,576 in 2010. Why is it so hard to get reliable facts about this stuff?

We need a reliable non-partisan DB for this information

 

[NCCommish]

More recent stats:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/guns-child-deaths-more-than-cancer/2073259/

In 2010, 15,576 children and teenagers were injured by firearms — three times more than the number of U.S. soldiers injured in the war in Afghanistan, according to the defense fund.

Nationally, guns still kill twice as many children and young people than cancer, five times as many than heart disease and 15 times more than infection, according to the New England Journal of Medicine.

then this beaut

Accidental firearms injuries have been on the decline nationwide. In 2001, 5,091 children ages 19 and under were injured by a firearm. Those numbers steadily decreased through 2009, when 3,587 children under 19 were reported injured by a firearm, according to the defense fund.

So according to this one article, the numbers jumped almost 5x in one year, from 3587 to 15,576 in 2010. Why is it so hard to get reliable facts about this stuff?

We need a reliable non-partisan DB for this information

I used the FBI stats as they are usually pretty accurate but they are interested in criminal not accidental. CDC would probably be a great source on accidentals.

 

[Hang 10]

Of course it's a tragedy, and of course he's a moron.

But, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

In the three years of 1996 to 1998 678 people aged 5 to 24 drowned. From 2006 to 2010 561 children under 12 were killed by handguns. That statistic doesn't include any shooting ruled an accident.

What's with the mixed matched statistics?

Well I was using Jons example and unfortunately I couldn't find newer drowning numbers.

Just seems kinda silly to exclude kids under 5 and include adults who are probably tall enough to not drown in a shallow home swimming pools

 

[timschochet]

This is a terrible tragedy.

But it says nothing about gun control. It says nothing about concealed carry, since it happened in a home.

There are good reasons to support moderate gun control laws such as universal background checks, and I do. But this story is irrelevant to those reasons.

 

[Doubtingthomas]

This is why we can't have nice things. Seriously. Half of this country, maybe more, are stupid and irresponsible. They should not have a right to steak knives, let alone guns.

Yeah Otis is here to save us from ourselves,if only we could all be like him!

You buffoons would at least be shooting each other less.

And we couldn't smoke and we couldn't do all manner of things you deem poor choices, but at least we could all go on stupid diets. When you running for Congress?

 

[NCCommish]

Of course it's a tragedy, and of course he's a moron.

But, on average, if you both own a gun and have a swimming pool in the backyard, the swimming pool is about 100 times more likely to kill a child than the gun is.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2001/07/27/levittpoolsvsguns/

In the three years of 1996 to 1998 678 people aged 5 to 24 drowned. From 2006 to 2010 561 children under 12 were killed by handguns. That statistic doesn't include any shooting ruled an accident.

What's with the mixed matched statistics?

Well I was using Jons example and unfortunately I couldn't find newer drowning numbers.

Just seems kinda silly to exclude kids under 5 and include adults who are probably tall enough to not drown in a shallow home swimming pools

Those are the numbers his guy he quoted used. Just went with what I had.

 

[NCCommish]

This is a terrible tragedy.

But it says nothing about gun control. It says nothing about concealed carry, since it happened in a home.

There are good reasons to support moderate gun control laws such as universal background checks, and I do. But this story is irrelevant to those reasons.

What it's relevant to Tim is does the "more guns" stance make us more or less safe? Do more guns in homes result in safer homes for families?

 

[Two Deep]

There is nothing the law can do that will hurt this guy more than what he has done to himself/family. He might as well turn the gun on himself, that is the only way his nightmare will end.

 

[timschochet]

This is a terrible tragedy.

But it says nothing about gun control. It says nothing about concealed carry, since it happened in a home.

There are good reasons to support moderate gun control laws such as universal background checks, and I do. But this story is irrelevant to those reasons.

What it's relevant to Tim is does the "more guns" stance make us more or less safe? Do more guns in homes result in safer homes for families?

OK, but this story doesn't prove that or anything really except that this particular gun owner was irresponsible. A few weeks ago Carolina Hustler started a thread about a woman who defended her home with a gun against a home invasion, remember? And I pointed out that the story was anecdotal and didn't prove anything one way or another. This is the same, coming from the "opposite" POV. We all rely on anecdotes way too much IMO.

 

[Pots]

He might as well turn the gun on himself, that is the only way his nightmare will end.

What a terrible post.

 

[Clifford]

I think the only really salient point here is the one Otis made that I have been saying for a long time: you have to be the blindest of all optimists to look at our population and think that it's a good idea to guarantee EVERYONE the right to bear arms. We'll forget about the fact that it was intended for well-regulated militias for a second which I think might have helped with this situation. And forget about the fact that a 3-year old firing a musket was a pretty ####### remote possibility back then.

In terms of what it has come to mean now, if you actually think it's a good idea for everyone to be able to own and carry a gun, then I really don't know where you got your drugs but I want some, because that land of unicorns and rainbows must be nice. We're not all idiots, but there are enough around that are careless, stupid, poorly educated, and prone to violence that this ideal of everyone being their own last line of defense just isn't a good idea for everyone. For a lot of people it's a great idea. I really have no problem with people owning guns, but I am very particular about what kind of people. And I don't think we've nailed that one just yet.

 

[Otis]

This is a terrible tragedy.

But it says nothing about gun control. It says nothing about concealed carry, since it happened in a home.

There are good reasons to support moderate gun control laws such as universal background checks, and I do. But this story is irrelevant to those reasons.

How can you really think this? If guns were controlled more tightly down south, maybe this guy wouldn't have one. And the whole premise of the story is that this happened because he is a concealed carry guy, and left it there to make sure he didn't forget it on his way out.

Silly.

 

[glock]

This is a terrible tragedy.

But it says nothing about gun control. It says nothing about concealed carry, since it happened in a home.

There are good reasons to support moderate gun control laws such as universal background checks, and I do. But this story is irrelevant to those reasons.

Disagree, Tim. "Conceal and carry" is a lifestyle in which a gun is handled far more that it would be were the gun always in a safe in case of a home invasion or whatever. I would argue that this creates more potential for the mishandling of a gun. Like this sad incident.

 

[timschochet]

This is a terrible tragedy.

But it says nothing about gun control. It says nothing about concealed carry, since it happened in a home.

There are good reasons to support moderate gun control laws such as universal background checks, and I do. But this story is irrelevant to those reasons.

How can you really think this? If guns were controlled more tightly down south, maybe this guy wouldn't have one. And the whole premise of the story is that this happened because he is a concealed carry guy, and left it there to make sure he didn't forget it on his way out.

Silly.

Short of making all guns in a home illegal, what sort of gun control law could have prevented this?

 

[timschochet]

This is a terrible tragedy.

But it says nothing about gun control. It says nothing about concealed carry, since it happened in a home.

There are good reasons to support moderate gun control laws such as universal background checks, and I do. But this story is irrelevant to those reasons.

Disagree, Tim. "Conceal and carry" is a lifestyle in which a gun is handled far more that it would be were the gun always in a safe in case of a home invasion or whatever. I would argue that this creates more potential for the mishandling of a gun. Like this sad incident.

Can you back up that argument with statistics rather than anecdotes? Intuitively I agree with you. But during another one of these discussions (the popcorn shooting) I went looking for statistics to see if concealed carry made the state of Florida less safe. I found just the opposite- there were LESS gun crimes and acts of violence since the CC laws were passed. That fact was diagreeable to me, but I posted it at the time anyhow because facts are much more relevant than anecdotes.

 

[Clifford]

JFC

Chambers, who has a Florida concealed carry permit, told deputies he left his loaded Kel-Tec 9mm pistol on a table by the front door so he wouldn't forget it when he went to work at Go Yo! Frozen Yogurt. He told deputies that he takes a gun to work because he works a late shift and is concerned for his safety.

The Kel-Tec has no safety and Chambers told deputies he thought the weapon's 10-pound trigger pull would be enough to keep his daughter from being able to fire it, according to the report.

Chambers told deputies that Zuri had picked up the firearm several months ago when he had the gun on a laundry basket in his bedroom. He took it away from her and placed it on a shelf out of her reach.

Chambers' wife told detectives that she recalled an incident in which she woke up to Zuri pointing the handgun at her. She said she yelled at Zuri and took the weapon away, and that Chambers was in bed next to her, according to the report.

A deputy walking through the home found a fully loaded Beretta 9mm semi-auto pistol on a stereo amplifier next to a play pen in Chambers's bedroom. The deputy also found an unsecured, unloaded Mossberg 12-gauge pump shotgun inside his closet.

 

[Clifford]

This is a terrible tragedy.

But it says nothing about gun control. It says nothing about concealed carry, since it happened in a home.

There are good reasons to support moderate gun control laws such as universal background checks, and I do. But this story is irrelevant to those reasons.

How can you really think this? If guns were controlled more tightly down south, maybe this guy wouldn't have one. And the whole premise of the story is that this happened because he is a concealed carry guy, and left it there to make sure he didn't forget it on his way out.

Silly.

Short of making all guns in a home illegal, what sort of gun control law could have prevented this?

Trigger locks mandated on every single firearm

and of course the completely unworkable but somehow standard on the iPhone biometrics technology on the grip/trigger

Obviously the law could be strengthened as well since it mandates locking up a gun only if the gun is not within reach, though this guy was violating even that.

 

[Apes with Guns]

No safety?

Probably a Glock. IIRC "the trigger is the saftey" kind of gun.

Kel-Tec 9 mm semi-automatic pistol

But a little googling says they also don't have a safety.

Rot in jail, moron

ETA: The owner of the gun, obviously. Not you, Jobber

guns without safeties are legal in the US? wow, that sucks.

can someone explain to me the thinking for making a gun without a safety? what it buys you in the risk vs. reward?

 

[coyote5]

This is a terrible tragedy.

But it says nothing about gun control. It says nothing about concealed carry, since it happened in a home.

There are good reasons to support moderate gun control laws such as universal background checks, and I do. But this story is irrelevant to those reasons.

What it's relevant to Tim is does the "more guns" stance make us more or less safe? Do more guns in homes result in safer homes for families?

So because some moron doesn't show the proper respect for a firearm in his own home, there should more restrictions for everyone else? The guy is ####### idiot, and now tragically his child is dead. It's not anyone's fault but his own. Apparently he took classes on this besides?

You can't legislate out stupidity.