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Of course guns will be useful. Drones don't hold land. You can tear up all sorts of #### with drones and EMP and anything else you want to name, but in the end you have to get down and dirty with the natives. That will always be true as long as people want to take something that someone else owns.
OK, this accident was a clear case of negligence. I don't think most parents would be this negligent, so we should not be using this case as a barometer on what might prevent accidents.
Expected. Typical. Standard.FigJam said:
two nulcear EMPs off the east coast from a container ship would knock out the entire eastern seaboard and would cripple our country without a shot being fired. My FIL has done a number of studies for the gov't and has scared the #### out of me in numerous conversations about these things. The natives are irrelevant in that scenario, there would be complete and utter chaos. It's off topic but people thinking hand guns are some kind of resistance to today's military technology are deluding themselves.
The safety's primary purpose is to prevent discharge of the gun when the trigger is not pulled, not to prevent the trigger from being pulled. All modern firearms have these types of safeties. Otherwise gun safety relies on proper gun handling and storage including not putting your finger on the trigger until you are pointing it at something you want to shoot. No global safety provisions exist for a toddler handling a loaded handgun just as we don't put governors on most cars to prevent people from driving at ridiculously unsafe speeds.
Don't personally buy into even the remote likelihood of such a scenario in our lifetimes but those who do would say the bolded is a good reason to have a gun - not a reason that makes it worthless.
they are / were afraid of Iran having the capability and preparing for scenarios...they have special phones in metal boxes for communications in such an event...it's scary ###...is it likely to happen? no, but it's about as likely as some invasion happening on US soil that people are arming for....
i disagree with you completely. not about the chaos, but you still have to manage the human somehow. what are you going to do about them? 100 million confused, scared and angry americans with pistols and rifles will be very difficult to control.
im sorry, i thought we were talking about guns that had no safeties! couldn't wrap my tiny brain around that one. thanks!
To be clear (because I don't think I was), this particular gun did not have a safety that prevents the trigger from being pulled. It's only safety mechanisms were internal and would prevent the gun from discharging when dropped for example. All guns have the latter safety, not all guns, particularly those meant for defense carry have the former.
it would be mob rule within days, looting, and criminals would go house to house in search of food/things. Think Mad Max. Various studies and several books on the topic...regular family guys like me/us would be done, gun or no gun.
There is a blog and book by a Argentinian guy who lived through their period of hyper-inflation that probably best approximates a near total breakdown and is certainly more accurate (and not as dire) as Mad Max or some of the other loons out there like James Wesley Rawles.
Obviously this makes a lot of sense.
I agree with you here. The reason gun ownership is an important right in America is to make sure that the government knows that if tyranny is taken too far, the people still have some means to change it.
I don't think it would be difficult for a child to flick back something like a thumb safety when playing with a gun. I just wonder why this man had a bullet chambered. He said this gun was for work while making nightly deposits. It was a semi-automatic so that means he had racked the slide (something that would be hard for a little kid to do) to put that bullet in the chamber. There was no need to even have a magazine in that gun at home, let alone have a bullet in the chamber.
Are you allowed to drive a car without doors, breaks, and seat belts?
How is advocating for safety standards on products that have proven to be one of if not the most deadly product on the market not common sense? This is already maddening enough without you looking at a freaking fire and a gigantic bucket of water and throwing up your hands and say "This is too hard! There's nothing we can do."
What prevents a child from getting behind the wheel of a running car and managing to put it in drive and get it an accident? A reasonable assumption of common sense and self-accountability.
The problem with guns to prevent against government tyranny is that government has figured out that if they do their tyranny REAL SLOW people don't notice the tyranny and government can eventually accomplish their end objective without hardly anyone noticing and no shots being fired. Most of us would agree tyranny is not necessarily just use of physical force against the citizenry but would also include forcefully taking their property and socializing it. For an example, the money itself has been completely socialized over the last 100 years, now government can print as much as it want for itself or its friends without doing any work and the citizens have to pay for it one way or another, this is not the way money was supposed to be. Money was supposed to be separate from government and stand alone, now money is equated with government (fiat money - money value declared by government force or decree). There are many other example of government slowly taking control of things, which if just speeded up, would look like tyranny.
According to the last 2 presidential elections thats how we like things to be now. Yay for us!!
For one thing the distance of the pedals from the seat. For another laws the prevent children from being behind the wheel until the age of 15 (something we do not have for guns).
Just dumb and no common sense. Must be a gene defect in their brain somewhere....
I see.
Simply put, the main problem with this analogy is that cars are much bigger than guns. As such, they are easier to regulate, and far easier to inspect. We can enforce safety regulations on cars without being too intrusive. We cannot do the same with guns. Enforcing the sort of restrictions you're speaking of would involve a level of intrusion on privacy which is untenable.
Did you read the article? Guy carries his gun to work becuase he makes cash deposits at the bank at night. He wasnt "carrying" the loaded gun around the house. This moron left it loaded on a table, unsupervised, in a house with children in it.
I agree with that. Throw the book at him. If that means holding carry concealed permit holders to a higher standard, I am ok with that. They should know better,
You get too emotionally involved in these discussions and become intellectually dishonest.
At the risk of sounding bombastic, this could be one of the top five dumbest things you have ever posted. How this even makes sense in your own head is pretty much inscrutable.
Do you consider spying oppressive? Or is it more physical oppression? Or denial of Habeas Corpus?
Me? I don't personally feel that my government is ruled by tyrants.
I am being neither emotional nor intellectually dishonest. I am answering your question in the view of the incident being discussed in the thread, which concerns the consequence of a child actually seizing control of the loaded gun or running car. I find your accusations to be pretty nonsensical based on what I have written in this thread.
Even with the amount of guns in the US a citizens uprising would have to overcome tall odds if the military did not pick their side...
Most military guys i know would pick the side of the citizens, ofcourse thats that could be just talk but most are gun owners as well
The thing about the military guys are most arent very happy with how things are in the military, the lack of leadership. Its now "just a job" instead of being proud of what you do. They know they dont have to follow a "unlawful order" and going against citizens for owning guns definitaly falls into that category regardless of what the current administration thinks.
That's only one issue. The last succesful uprising in the US was about taxes and representation.
