Haley called Offense in Second Half (1 Viewer)

[PitbullTD]

WTF. I'd like to say BS, but it makes sense. The second half was a markedly different team than what we saw from them in the first half.

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Report: Haley stripped play-calling duties from Weis

Posted by Mike Florio on January 10, 2011, 12:56 PM EST

Todd Haley

As pointed out (I think) in the first segment of today’s edition of ProFootballTalke Live and then reiterated (I know) in the third segment, the Chiefs’ horrendous offensive performance in the second half of Sunday’s 30-7 wild-card loss to the Ravens suggests that few if any meaningful halftime adjustments were made. Which suggests that the issues that prompted offensive coordinator Charlie Weis to take the same job with a college program potentially prevented Weis and coach Todd Haley from working effectively and cooperatively bubbled up during the 12-minute window between the second and third quarters.

As it turns out, those issues boiled over.

Bob Fescoe of 610 Sports in Kansas City reports that Haley stripped Weis of the play-calling duties during the second half of the game. Which means that the horrendous showing is on the shoulders not of the guy who left the team, but of the guy who’ll still be there.

The news confirms Jason Whitlock’s in-game instincts. After the Chiefs tried to run a sweep on fourth and short early in the second half, Whitlock said via Twitter: “Todd Haley, ladies and gentlemen. He just put his stamp on the game with 4th-down call. And trust me, that was all Haley.”

It was all Haley. For all of the second half.

Moving forward, the Chiefs have a real problem. Haley is believed to be too insecure to welcome a highly competent offensive coordinator. Instead, he’ll want someone over whom he can lord — and on whom he can place blame if things don’t go well.

At some point, it’ll become fair to ask whether G.M. Scott Pioli should be aiming one level higher than offensive coordinator when it comes to the question of filling vacant jobs.

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[Jason Wood]

It's a real issue potentially. You have to wonder if anyone of Weis' caliber would even consider taking the gig now, given Haley's rep for not playing well with others on offense.

 

[TommyGilmore]

This sounds like the kind of rumor that Charlie Weis or Jason Whitlock would enjoy spreading.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

This sounds like the kind of rumor that Charlie Weis or Jason Whitlock would enjoy spreading.

This sounds like the kind of rumor that is true.

 

[Hang 10]

I got the sense that Haley wanted to keep Charles fresh for the pro bowl.

 

[lod01]

He'll soon have something else in common with Josh McDaniels in the next year or 2.

 

[geoff8695]

Baltimore had over 40 minutes time of possession, and Charles only had two second half carries...

I just heard Jamie Dukes from NFL network on the radio insinuate that it was Weiss who foolishly limited Charles' carries yesterday, and that next year Haley would likely make Charles more of a focal point.

Kind of makes you wonder who to believe...

 

[Gr00vus]

Whoever was responsible for the Charles sweep on 4th down call should be fired.

 

[The Kuhn]

Now, more than ever, I actually want to see McDaniels make a return to coaching in the NFL, as OC underling to Haley. The sideline drama could be epic.

 

[Summer Wheat]

The Chiefs only had 34 plays for the entire game. When a team turns the ball over five times how can you get the offense in a flow regardless who is calling plays. The TOs probably cost the Chiefs 20-25 plays at least.

 

[thehornet]

This sounds like the kind of rumor that Charlie Weis or Jason Whitlock would enjoy spreading.

This sounds like the kind of rumor that is true.

exactly

 

[DoubleG]

If this rumor is true, Haley the HC should demand that Haley the OC gets fired for his horrible play calling in the 2nd half. I'm just sayin'.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Paging Getinthemix...Paging Getinthemix...you were an absolute (fill in the blank) to me in my "Back the Truck Up" thread when I said there was a major riff between Weis and Haley and that it didn't take a rocket scientist to read between the lines. You were going on and on about how I was making it all up when many media services were reporting on this and also the timing of when Weis came out that he was leaving KC when he wasn't even thru a full season, yet you wanted proof.

Folks that always need to see the smoking gun and can't just take the smell or sight of the smoke as proof there is a fire, I mean c'mon now.

This story only further proves that there is no relationship between Weis and Haley but good luck spinning this however you try.

 

[Biabreakable]

Baltimore had over 40 minutes time of possession, and Charles only had two second half carries...I just heard Jamie Dukes from NFL network on the radio insinuate that it was Weiss who foolishly limited Charles' carries yesterday, and that next year Haley would likely make Charles more of a focal point. Kind of makes you wonder who to believe...

I wouldn't listen to Jamie Dukes. He thinks images on from the past on television can listen to him.

 

[Big_Russel]

This sounds like the kind of rumor that Charlie Weis or Jason Whitlock would enjoy spreading.

This sounds like the kind of rumor that is true.

Haley is a #### This makes me glad they lost.

 

[Summer Wheat]

If this rumor is true, Haley the HC should demand that Haley the OC gets fired for his horrible play calling in the 2nd half. I'm just sayin'.

And Jerry Jones the owner should have fired JJ the GM years ago.

 

[Warpig]

I see a horrible down turn coming for the chiefs in 2011 assuming there will be football in 2011. Haley is inept and all the credit for that team doing as well as they did this year should go to their cupcake schedule and the miracles Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weiss worked.

It is obvious that Weis knew they couldn't rely on Cassel to win the game for them so they were riding the running game in the first half and having success (I think Cassel only threw the ball 6 times in the first half). Then Haley goes on an ego trip and Charles gets maybe 1 or 2 more carries in the entire 2nd half and Cassel was chucking the ball to the other team or fumbling it.

Cassel is just not football smart. He doesn't know what to do if his primary receiver isn't open or if he gets pressure or if it's a broken play...he's a puppet on strings and can't think for himself.

Charles should of had 30 carries in this game. The Chiefs had over 100 rushing yards against the Ravens in the first half!

Haley and Cassel need to go!

 

[The_Man]

I see a horrible down turn coming for the chiefs in 2011 assuming there will be football in 2011. Haley is inept and all the credit for that team doing as well as they did this year should go to their cupcake schedule and the miracles Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weiss worked.

Chiefs will be next year's Bengals - surprise division winner turned Wild Card Round loser turned losing team. This year the Chiefs got the NFC West and AFC South, plus Cleveland and Buffalo. Next year they get the NFC North and AFC East, plus Pittsburgh and Indy.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Charles should of had 30 carries in this game. The Chiefs had over 100 rushing yards against the Ravens in the first half!

....and they were trailing 10-7. Then on their first drive of the 2nd half, they ran 6 times for 11 yards (while passing 5 times for 19 yards). Baltimore just kicked up their defense to a different level and KC didn't have an answer for it.

 

[theplayer11]

Charles 87 rushing yards first half

Charles 82 total rushing yards for the game

I don't know who is to blame, but someone is very, very dumb.

 

[cvnpoka]

its almost like no one even watches the games anymore. they missed very few opportunities to give charles the ball. they got their arses kicked in the 2nd half and thats the reason charles didnt see the ball as much.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

its almost like no one even watches the games anymore. they missed very few opportunities to give charles the ball. they got their arses kicked in the 2nd half and thats the reason charles didnt see the ball as much.

Yeah, some of that is true but Cassel throwing 3 interceptions did not help much either. For a while in the 2nd quarter it looked like Baltimore could not stop KC running the ball. They were getting 5 and 7 yards a pop for a while and of course the big run by Charles. It was 13-7 and it felt like it was 31-7 the way the play calling changed all of a sudden. Even at 16-7 the Chiefs still had a chance if they could get back to runnignt he football. Also I want to add that it seemd when they ran the ball well they got Ray Lewis blocked. Now that may sound stupid but what I mean is that they made sure they got him blocked even if they left others free and took their chances of letting Charles make those guys miss. It was smart but they got away from it.

 

[The_Man]

its almost like no one even watches the games anymore. they missed very few opportunities to give charles the ball. they got their arses kicked in the 2nd half and thats the reason charles didnt see the ball as much.

I kind of disagree. Trailing 10-7 to start the 2nd half, they came out with 3 straight passes - the last was an INT but KC got it back on the fumble. Then, they got back to running, ran 5 of the next 7 plays and continued to get yardage. The 8th play was the 4th-and-1 that got stuffed. Baltimore took over, and went down for the FG that made it 13-7.At that point, KC should have continued to run the ball. It was working! And a TD would have put them back in front. Instead - three straight passes, one that drew a holding call, then a sack, then a pass that McCluster fumbled. Then the defense holds - still only a 16-7 game. Plenty of time to keep running.Instead - next possession stars with a handoff to Thomas Jones, followed on the next play by an INT. This time, the defense cracks, Baltimore goes up 23-7, and then it does get hard to keep running.But when the game was very much in the balance, at 13-7 and then 16-7, Charles didn't touch the ball on back-to-back possessions. The only person that could have stopped Charles yesterday was Haley. And he did it!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

its almost like no one even watches the games anymore. they missed very few opportunities to give charles the ball. they got their arses kicked in the 2nd half and thats the reason charles didnt see the ball as much.

You didn't watch the 2nd half if you didn't see that the play-calling got Cassel-happy in the 3rd quarter. J.Charles didn't have a single carry after the first drive of the 2nd half. Actually, make that not a single touch after the first drive of the 3rd quarter.

 

[karmarooster]

This reeks of Haley's megalomaniacal side... one could easily argue that the chiefs are so improved this year only because they improved so much at OC and DC positions.

But the specific play sited in the article.... the sweep-right on 4th and 1 that charles failed to convert - i don't have a problem with that play. I liked going for it in 4th down there, it made sense given the field position and distance to go. furthermore, TMQ always says that a little misdirection on 4th and 1 is needed because the defense is so charged up to stop a run up the middle. A toss isn't exactly misdirection like a counter, but it avoids the lame up the middle run that everyone expects on 4th and 1.

that play was only stopped because whoever that white DT the ravens have blew up the play from the beginning. almost no play will succeed with the DT 5 yards in the backfield immediately. chalk up that play's failure to an exceptional performance by the defense.

That said, Haley sucks. I want to like him because of his aggressive play calling but everything about him screams #####. He is not someone you can imagine it would be pleasant to hang out with, share a beer, and pick his brain about football. he would probably just try to make you feel inferior the entire time.... that seems to be his shtick, and it gets old fast.

 

[TommyGilmore]

I kind of disagree. Trailing 10-7 to start the 2nd half, they came out with 3 straight passes - the last was an INT but KC got it back on the fumble. Then, they got back to running, ran 5 of the next 7 plays and continued to get yardage.

Fact: they averaged 3.0 YPC on those 5 plays. That's terrible. You're not beating Baltimore on 3.0 YPC.

 

[The_Man]

I kind of disagree. Trailing 10-7 to start the 2nd half, they came out with 3 straight passes - the last was an INT but KC got it back on the fumble. Then, they got back to running, ran 5 of the next 7 plays and continued to get yardage.

Fact: they averaged 3.0 YPC on those 5 plays. That's terrible. You're not beating Baltimore on 3.0 YPC.

Fact: Cassel was 5 of 13 for 35 yards with 2 INTs and 3 sacks in the second half. That's worse than terrible. You're not beating Baltimore on 2.7 YPA.Like I said before, Charles didn't touch the ball on consecutive possessions when the Chiefs trailed 13-7 and 16-7. I think that's calling a terrible game.Edited to add: I'm a Ravens fan. I couldn't believe what I was seeing, but I was thrilled. Unless Charles was hurt (and he might have been, between Cody falling on him and him handing out a helmet-to-helmet hit at the sideline that seemed to ring his own bell) the Ravens were not shutting him down yesterday. But the Chiefs did it for them.

 

[geoff8695]

I kind of disagree. Trailing 10-7 to start the 2nd half, they came out with 3 straight passes - the last was an INT but KC got it back on the fumble. Then, they got back to running, ran 5 of the next 7 plays and continued to get yardage.

Fact: they averaged 3.0 YPC on those 5 plays. That's terrible. You're not beating Baltimore on 3.0 YPC.

It's not like Baltimore had shut down the run, or like KC averaged 3.0 YPC for the game... Where are you trying to go with this line of reasoning?Are you really trying to justify the 2nd half playcalling and/or discount the fact that KC had over 100 yds rushing in the 1st half?

 

[TommyGilmore]

I kind of disagree. Trailing 10-7 to start the 2nd half, they came out with 3 straight passes - the last was an INT but KC got it back on the fumble. Then, they got back to running, ran 5 of the next 7 plays and continued to get yardage.

Fact: they averaged 3.0 YPC on those 5 plays. That's terrible. You're not beating Baltimore on 3.0 YPC.

It's not like Baltimore had shut down the run, or like KC averaged 3.0 YPC for the game... Where are you trying to go with this line of reasoning?Are you really trying to justify the 2nd half playcalling and/or discount the fact that KC had over 100 yds rushing in the 1st half?

What I'm really saying is that it's juvenile and silly to assume that the Chiefs would have had a chance if only they'd given the ball to Charles more in the 2nd half. They gave it to Charles plenty in the first half and they still couldn't get the lead. What makes you think they'd do better in the second half against a team that actually knows how to make halftime adjustments?If you're looking for a more sympathetic ear then I would suggest calling in to your local sports talk radio program. (Be sure to mention that you think there's a really good chance that they could get Asomugha, and maybe they could trade Thomas Jones for a 1st rounder, and don't you think Cassel got snubbed for the Pro Bowl??)

 

[geoff8695]

What I'm really saying is that it's juvenile and silly to assume that the Chiefs would have had a chance if only they'd given the ball to Charles more in the 2nd half. They gave it to Charles plenty in the first half and they still couldn't get the lead. What makes you think they'd do better in the second half against a team that actually knows how to make halftime adjustments?If you're looking for a more sympathetic ear then I would suggest calling in to your local sports talk radio program. (Be sure to mention that you think there's a really good chance that they could get Asomugha, and maybe they could trade Thomas Jones for a 1st rounder, and don't you think Cassel got snubbed for the Pro Bowl??)

Wow!I guess KC playing at home and holding the lead up until the final minute of the 1st half and gouging the vaunted Ravens defense for over 100 yards rushing in the 1st half alone and averaging almost 6 YPC for the game would explain what makes me think they coulda/shoulda/woulda had a chance had they continued that strategy again in the 2nd half...I'm not looking for any sympathetic ears for Haley/Weiss/or the Chiefs in general, but thanks for patronizing me and implying I'm juvenile and silly for thinking the Chiefs could have been more effective by not abandoning Charles and the running game Tommy...

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

It's amazing how the 8-9 Seahawks are feeling great about themselves while the 10-7 Chiefs have lots of question marks and glum faces. Even if the Seahawks get blown out in Chicago, it seems like their season was better than the Chiefs somehow.

The NFL really is a roller coaster. As well paid as they are, they earn a lot of that money.

 

[delusional]

Now, more than ever, I actually want to see McDaniels make a return to coaching in the NFL, as OC underling to Haley. The sideline drama could be epic.

Id buy HBO just to see that Hard Knocks season

 

[Donnybrook]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought Charles took a hard hit to the side of the helmet in the 2nd quarter. I think he got his bell rung pretty good. I recall that Phill Sims said that Charles was declared doubtful for second half. I was surprised when he was OK to start the 3rd. I am the last person to defend Haley but it just makes sense to use him somewhat sparingly from that point on.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Adam Schefter says this isn't true, and that Weiss called the plays for the whole game.

 

[Bayhawks]

Correct me if I am wrong but I thought Charles took a hard hit to the side of the helmet in the 2nd quarter. I think he got his bell rung pretty good. I recall that Phill Sims said that Charles was declared doubtful for second half. I was surprised when he was OK to start the 3rd. I am the last person to defend Haley but it just makes sense to use him somewhat sparingly from that point on.

If it's the play I'm thinking of, this just isn't true. Charles got hit hard when he was going out of bounds (he lowered his head/shoulder to try to lay a hit on a Raven). After the play, they said that he was down on the sidelines. He was back in the game about 5 plays later, and he didn't seem to miss any time, but they didn't let him touch the ball much in the 2nd half.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Does Haley always look so perturbed on the side lines? I've seen a lot of angry coaches in my life, but Haley sustained the same PO'd facial expression and body language longer than I though humanly possible without a coronary or a stroke or something on Sunday.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Does Haley always look so perturbed on the side lines? I've seen a lot of angry coaches in my life, but Haley sustained the same PO'd facial expression and body language longer than I though humanly possible without a coronary or a stroke or something on Sunday.

He raises my blood pressure just looking at him. It looks like he's feeling like the most tortured soul on earth. He's the Phil Hellmuth of coaching. To be honest, I feel pity when I look at him.

 

[Mister CIA]

I think the world needs another Romeo Crennel Coors Light commercial. ... So, I hear all of Belichick's disciples are #######s. What do you say to that Romeo?

 

[N Zone]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81d9...r-calling-plays

...Haley also disputed a report on Kansas City sports-talk radio station KCSP-AM that he relieved Weis of play-calling responsibilities in the second half of Sunday's loss to Baltimore.

"Absolutely not true," he said.

~Associated Press

 

[Mike]

its almost like no one even watches the games anymore. they missed very few opportunities to give charles the ball. they got their arses kicked in the 2nd half and thats the reason charles didnt see the ball as much.

I kind of disagree. Trailing 10-7 to start the 2nd half, they came out with 3 straight passes - the last was an INT but KC got it back on the fumble. Then, they got back to running, ran 5 of the next 7 plays and continued to get yardage. The 8th play was the 4th-and-1 that got stuffed. Baltimore took over, and went down for the FG that made it 13-7.At that point, KC should have continued to run the ball. It was working! And a TD would have put them back in front. Instead - three straight passes, one that drew a holding call, then a sack, then a pass that McCluster fumbled. Then the defense holds - still only a 16-7 game. Plenty of time to keep running.Instead - next possession stars with a handoff to Thomas Jones, followed on the next play by an INT. This time, the defense cracks, Baltimore goes up 23-7, and then it does get hard to keep running.But when the game was very much in the balance, at 13-7 and then 16-7, Charles didn't touch the ball on back-to-back possessions. The only person that could have stopped Charles yesterday was Haley. And he did it!

Great summary. I was baffled at the play calling putting the game in Cassel's hands in the second half. When they got down 16-7 Phil Simms said they shouldn't panic. Maybe that is exactly what they did - the Chiefs panicked. There was still plenty of time to run at that point.Going into this game I felt the defense was going to let them down if they got blown out, but the defense played quite well. It is no wonder players like Tamba Hali were getting frustrated late in the game.