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None of it is theft. Once Halladay's contract is up he's going to be 34 and demanding 20 million per season. I'd probably do this deal if I were the Angels because they don't have much of a track record of hitting with prospects. But a mid 30's pitcher at 20M for multiple seasons is not something I'd be looking to get tangled up in. His elbow goes and you've got an albatross slung around your neck. As good as Halladay is he's still a gamble.
Assuming this isn't shtick (which is a terrible assumption), I tend to agree with you. I'm no fan of giving up the farm and contents of the vault for a guy's career up to age 32, but the Angels can win now and that doesn't seem like that much to give up (to me). Aybar is a nice player, but really nothing special. I'm not convinced Wood will ever hit MLB pitching. Saunders is a soft-tossing joke. Way too soon to gauge Reckling since he's something like 20. I would do this deal and not look back if I'm the Angels.Other teams, I'd have to think long and hard about it. Unlike some, I still doubt Halladay's long-term endurance in the 33+ year old era.
Why do you doubt Halladay? First of all either he or Lincecum is the main guy you want heading into the playoffs at this point. Halladay is the type that can go three games in a seven game series as well.He just turned 32. He doesn't have overpowering stuff. Relies on location and breaking pitches. He has at least 90 wins left in him and 2-3 years of premier front-line ammo.
Toronto might actually think about a deal with Weaver but they would laugh at a Saunders package. He's an average pitcher on a good team.Angels and Dodgers don't have the talent to make a deal.Bosox, Yankees and Phillies do. That's it as for as someone in the market for Halladay.
I don't understand why Anaheim would put Weaver in a package. He's not as good as Doc....but it seems counterproductive.
If they're going to go out of their way to note which hand he throws with, you'd think they'd at least get the correct hand.
That's assuming that Boston actually made the offer and it wasn't a planted rumor.
I dont get how this make sense?? Because one team overpays every team must overpay?
which is, hopefully, a little less than what they wanted a few days ago...
Phils do still have all of the pieces for the Halladay deal and, as you say, maybe the Jays accept a little less, though after Taylor and Brown, the position players really drop off. Maybe another pitcher.Seems highly unlikely, though. Not sure that the Phils want to increase payroll anymore for next year, though. Everybody is pretty much signed and will get a bump.
Nah, as awesome as that would be, there's no way it's happening. Unles J.P. comes crying back to Rube, begging for a deal at our price. We are logjammed at SP now, probably moving Happ to the bullpen when Pedro is ready. Rodriguez goes to the BP or sent down (not sure of his options), plus we have Durbin and Romero coming back from the DL, and possibly Myers as well. It's gonna be Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Pedro as your playoff rotation, unless Pedro fails miserably.
From what I hear on Philly sports, Pedro will be long relief.. MAYBE a spot start here or there.. Happ and/or Moyer will start over Pedro, for now...
I've been hearing that Happ is getting bumped. I wouldn't agree with that move, but I was under the assumption they told Pedro we signed him to be a starter much like the Chan Ho experiment. Although someone said today that Pedro has an icentive clause of relief innings pitched, so maybe he'll be ok with it when he gets the call. Any chance he can close?
Not hearing that at all. Happ will move the pen for the playoffs should Pedro actuallly be healthy and decent. There's no way Pedro gets along with everyone throwing long relief. They could just designate him for assignment if he busts though. Probably the most likely scenario.
Lol, well he won't close (I'd guess Myers in an emergency but its going to have to take a Lidge injury to not get Charlie's call imo) but that incentive is brilliant by Amaro. I'm impressed if that is true.I've been hearing that Happ is getting bumped. I wouldn't agree with that move, but I was under the assumption they told Pedro we signed him to be a starter much like the Chan Ho experiment. Although someone said today that Pedro has an icentive clause of relief innings pitched, so maybe he'll be ok with it when he gets the call. Any chance he can close?
A caller on Missanelli yesterday suggested putting Moyer on the DL with shoulder fatigue or something and letting Pedro get 3 starts in there. That gives you the chance to check him out without disrupting Happ right now. If Pedro flames out, put him somewhere else. Maybe Happ shows some chinks in the armor and it's easier to slide him to the pen. Or they both do well and then you have what they call one of them good problems.RedRaiders said:
This says $50K for his 10th, 15th, 20th and 25th relief appearancesAlso an extra $50K for every 15 days he's on the roster, which is an additional incentive to go the bullpen if the Phils want him there.RedRaiders said:Lol, well he won't close (I'd guess Myers in an emergency but its going to have to take a Lidge injury to not get Charlie's call imo) but that incentive is brilliant by Amaro. I'm impressed if that is true.I've been hearing that Happ is getting bumped. I wouldn't agree with that move, but I was under the assumption they told Pedro we signed him to be a starter much like the Chan Ho experiment. Although someone said today that Pedro has an icentive clause of relief innings pitched, so maybe he'll be ok with it when he gets the call. Any chance he can close?
